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Re: Madeleine McCann- bald man in playground

Post by Nina on 07.08.15 10:30

@worriedmum wrote:
@Doug D wrote:Not convinced. Different glasses and playground man has 'softer' face somehow.
I agree
Would  a clever and kind poster put  a photograph  of the  2 side by side for comparison please?   roses

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The Bald Men of Praia da Luz...

Post by missbeetle on 07.08.15 11:20

  

Here you go, Nina -

I think it's the same chap - sharp cheekbones and a short nose...

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More Bald Man images...

Post by missbeetle on 07.08.15 11:57

I've found a few more possible pictures of Playground Man :

     

(all taken 4th May 2007)

and then there's this wild card one :


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Post by pennylane on 07.08.15 13:35

@worriedmum wrote:
@Doug D wrote:Not convinced. Different glasses and playground man has 'softer' face somehow.
I agree
Ditto!

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Post by Guest on 07.08.15 14:06

@missbeetle wrote:  

Here you go, Nina -

I think it's the same chap - sharp cheekbones and a short nose...
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Right one has hair on the left side of his skull
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Post by Nina on 07.08.15 16:28

@Portia wrote:
@missbeetle wrote:  

Here you go, Nina -

I think it's the same chap - sharp cheekbones and a short nose...
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Right one has hair on the left side of his skull
Thank you missbeetle  very kind as well as very clever. I thought they were  the same man but the playground man has a pointy head whilst the other one is flatter, there are a lot of similarities though.

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Post by skyrocket on 07.08.15 18:23

Not trying to score points or anything but still think it's our man! Not that my opinion means a jot really! Nothing in this case is simple, is it!

I would say that possibly his head looks flatter on the top because of the picture quality and objects behind blending.

The glasses are the same - deeper at the nose and angled up towards the side of the face (they look larger again because of shadow and picture quality).

He's got a strong brow ridge; high cheekbones; distinctive shadow below bottom lip; square chin; smallish ears; smallish nose; same coloured skin; eyebrows show above glasses; glasses narrow black arms to sides; likes t shirts with front logos!

As I say, only IMO! I appreciate that Murat has 2 other look-alikes so inadvisable to be 100% positive! Would be good if someone could come up with a photo of Raj - tried googling his name and his firm in London but no luck yet. He is on LinkedIn if anyone has access to that (Rajinder Raj Singh Balu). His name suggests Raj is a Sikh (Singh) but of course he may not be practising (i.e. shaved head is unusual for Sikhs).

Have clarified though that Raj Balu definitely made a statement to the British police on 6 May 2007, which has not been released. One would assume that this was given to the PJ and therefore must have been withheld by them when the files were released. I guess (?) he was back in the UK for this first statement as he was scheduled to fly back on the 5 May.

Thanks missbeetle for the 2 photos together.
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Mysterious bald men...

Post by missbeetle on 22.08.15 0:07

A couple of thoughts about Playground Man -

his manbag satchel and the jacket tied around his waist

suggests to me he is foreign - French Moroccan??

Portuguese, even?


Regarding the Sikh name of Mr Raj Balu Singh - he may not have adopted the turban

but he could well wear a steel bangle on his right wrist -

which may or may not have been photoshopped out...!

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Possibly police...?

Post by missbeetle on 22.08.15 6:28

This can go into the mix, too :


(snipped from the maddiecasefiles, with thanks)


The colleague of 'Baby Face' sounds dark and bald, too!

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Bridget O'Donnell and a bald man...

Post by missbeetle on 23.08.15 8:04

A 'bald, heavyset man seen lurking' :


(snipped from Bridget O'Donnell's Guardian piece of 2007)

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Post by skyrocket on 23.08.15 10:50

@missbeetle - interesting! Good to see references possibly to 'bald guy' collated in one thread. You'd have thought that The Mail reporters would have ruled out Raj Balu before checking whether 'playground man' was Jes Wilkins, which again does suggest that the man in the photos is not Balu. The reference in ROB's Rogatory to the PJ officer is a possibility but when you watch the news clips etc, all the portuguese searchers are GNR officers in uniform (do all the leg work) - did the PJ (equivalent to our detectives) actually conduct any searches? Bald guy seems to be almost leading some of the searches and it does come across that he is there in an official capacity. The GNR officers seem to be following his direction - would they do this if he were a tourist/local Juan? But then why would he be in the playground - seems unlikely that the photo was taken post 3 May, even if photoshopped? He does not look British - the man bag is popular in Spain/Portugal/France/Italy (don't know about more northern European countries). Very few Brits use them.

The PJ must know who he is.
OG must know who he is.
Hasn't Amaral stated that he is Raj Balu? (I don't believe he is; Amaral may or may not be misdirecting and if so, it will be for good reason).


If 'Bald Guy' is a protection specialist/officer of some kind and he was there prior to 3 May, OG and the PJ must know this.
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Raj Balu and the playground photo

Post by MayMuse on 19.02.18 18:01

Raj, Price and the man seen in the video Skyrocket posted all seem to look familiar, as does the guy in the photo (further up) on the bottom  right , his profile is similar to Murat... does anyone know who he is and/or do others think there seem to be a number of people who look similar? Just an observation.

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Re: Do you believe something happened earlier than May 3rd ? If so, how did the McCanns manage to deceive everyone at the creche?

Post by Crackfox on 19.02.18 20:35

I copied this from gerry mccannblogspot - I tbought it was interesting. I'm not convinced this photograph helps the timeline as I'm pretty sure all in it are potential cronies, IMO.

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Post by MayMuse on 19.02.18 22:08

I'm adding this link from the PJFiles as it shows that the playground photos of Madeleine ( 3 coloured ones) were apparently taken on the afternoon of the 2nd May 2007, and given to the PJ. If this IS correct ( untampered photos and dated as it says in the files) then indeed Madeleine was alive the day prior to her disappearance. 

I'm not satisfied with the bald mans identity( playground photo and others seen with Murat?)  , or should I say not convinced of who he is and his connection, if any to the case, McCanns, Murat,police etc... 

Has  anyone investigated or have proof that these photos and specifically the playground photo was NOT taken on the 2nd? 

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/HOLIDAY-PHOTOS-LIST.htm


And bearing in mind crèche sheet for the 2nd Madeleine is signed in at 14.45 signed by K McCann and then out at 17.30 by K Healy! 

The appendix of the file Notes is dated 9th May which suggests these photos were handed in within the week of Madeleine's disappearance,  so why the use of the younger photo of Madeleine and nòt this up to date one which clearly shows her face and size? 

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CRECHE.htm

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Post by Phoebe on 19.02.18 23:12

@ MayMuse -

In his book Dr. Amaral states -

"On the morning of May 4th, Murat is seen near some GNR members in the company of two individuals of English nationality - as we find out later - one of them being of Asian origin. Ocean Club tourists probably. We also examine the photos taken by the McCanns during their holiday. In one of them, Gerald McCann is seen playing with his children in the Tapas restaurant play area. In the background, you can make out an Asian-looking man, the same one as was seen in Robert Murat's company. He seems to be observing the family. We then proceed to identify him and the other holiday makers that Murat had been in contact with. We get this information to the English police who interview them locally. They conclude that they weren't involved in Madeleine's disappearance. In fact, the man in the photo was with his daughter- and there was nothing suspicious about his behaviour; as for the others, they had met Murat during the searches organized to find Madeleine. A few days later these photos will be published in an English newspaper; it is not known how they were obtained or for what purpose they were disclosed.

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Post by MayMuse on 19.02.18 23:19

@Phoebe wrote:@ MayMuse -

In his book Dr. Amaral states -

"On the morning of May 4th, Murat is seen near some GNR members in the company of two individuals of English nationality - as we find out later - one of them being of Asian origin. Ocean Club tourists probably. We also examine the photos taken by the McCanns during their holiday. In one of them, Gerald McCann is seen playing with his children in the Tapas restaurant play area. In the background, you can make out an Asian-looking man, the same one as was seen in Robert Murat's company. He seems to be observing the family. We then proceed to identify him and the other holiday makers that Murat had been in contact with. We get this information to the English police who interview them locally. They conclude that they weren't involved in Madeleine's disappearance. In fact, the man in the photo was with his daughter- and there was nothing suspicious about his behaviour; as for the others, they had met Murat during the searches organized to find Madeleine. A few days later these photos will be published in an English newspaper; it is not known how they were obtained or for what purpose they were disclosed.
Thank  you @Phoebe

So the playground photos the Pj had by the next day, the 4th...interesting...time state 17.15pm but crèche sheet states Madeleine still in crèche until 17.30pm?  So,either the crèche sheet is incorrect or the photos in my opinion! 

Forgive me but that man Inthe photo is still seen days later with Murat, so when did the English police  interview him, when he got back to the UK? 
What is his true identity, do we know? Is it Raj or Price? Or someone else?

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Post by Phoebe on 19.02.18 23:43

@ MayMuse from what Dr. Amaral writes it was the P.J. who identified who he was, probably through the Ocean Club, and asked the English police to question him "locally" which I presume means back in the U.K. According to the guest lists Balu and family arrived on 28/4/07 and hired a car at the airport which they drove to the Ocean Club. They were booked to stay for 7 nights which would see them leaving on Sat May 5th. Presumably the pictures of him searching were taken on the Friday/possibly Sat morning (depending on departure time)

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Post by MayMuse on 20.02.18 9:24

Rajinder Raj Singh Balu statement taken on the 6th May is missing from the files , there is only his rogatory 2008... and reading different articles there does  seem to be confusion as to who he is. I don't know if this is misinformation put out to confuse   But considering GA identified him and  considering the playground photo was used in the media and he was noted as unidentified and the McCanns were shouting abduction and paeodphillia Why has this man not come forwards to clear any speculation and who could confirm exactly when the playground photo was taken. As this photo if correct blows out the water Madeleine being deceased before the 2nd May? 
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RAJ_BALU.htm

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Post by kaz on 20.02.18 9:44

That looks like Vicky Van Rossem Boyd with her husband in the background. Remember Vicky's son played football with Kate's pretty daughter. I'm surprised the PJ didn't try and trace them as well to try and get more information. They could have come up with a definitive date at least...................maybe.

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Post by MayMuse on 20.02.18 9:55

@kaz wrote:That looks like Vicky Van Rossem Boyd with her husband in the background. Remember Vicky's son played football with Kate's pretty daughter. I'm surprised the PJ didn't try and trace them as well to try and get more information. They could have come up with a definitive date at least...................maybe.
Yes I remember the article by the Boyds and it does look like them. however the date is in the PJ files logged as taken on the afternoon of 2nd May 2007 and one of Madeleine's on her own timestamped as 17.15 , I have put the link previously. all I am asking for clarity is where was the definite assumption that thie playground photo was taken on the 28th...the PJ files show the 2nd. Now I u derstand the anomolies and confusion in this case however to determine correctly if Madeleine was deceased prior to the 3rd , then an assumption of the photo being taken on a different date (i.e. Not the 2nd) must have been investigated to bring that conclusion? 

If anyone knows please can they point me to the evidence as I find this even more confusing. 
IF there is proof it could not have been taken on the 2nd and that it was taken on the 28th, it shows more untruths.  Extensive work was done on the "last photo" to show it was not taken on the 3rd as suggested by the McCann's, and so far I am unable to see any which shows that the playground photo was not taken on the 2nd May. Or have I missed something?

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Post by Crackfox on 20.02.18 10:02

I need to check but my rusty recollection is that RRSB was friendly with Neil Berry, who was described as acting suspiciously by an OC employee who saw him close to the McCanns' apartment on the night of the disappearance. One theory I read is that the couple also in this photo is the same one who gave an interview in which the wife recollected sitting with KM on May 2 and her son playing football with Madeleine. RRBS seems to have kept close to Murat and was one of the people instrumental in 'dobbing'  him in it, which says a lot IMO. It only needs these witnesses to both state it was definitely May 2 and an earlier date would have been discounted, although I did note in the file the fact SM is wearing 'airport clothes' is noted.

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Post by MayMuse on 20.02.18 10:16

@Crackfox wrote:I need to check but my rusty recollection is that RRSB was friendly with Neil Berry, who was described as acting suspiciously by an OC employee who saw him close to the McCanns' apartment on the night of the disappearance. One theory I read is that the couple also in this photo is the same one who gave an interview in which the wife recollected sitting with KM on May 2 and her son playing football with Madeleine. RRBS seems to have kept close to Murat and was one of the people instrumental in 'dobbing'  him in it, which says a lot IMO. It only needs these witnesses to both state it was definitely May 2 and an earlier date would have been discounted, although I did note in the file the fact SM is wearing 'airport clothes' is noted.
Thank you, the clothes I have observed are different in the playground photo and the 'airport' clothes. I remember the article. My point is the Pj believe this photo to be taken on the 2nd, which could explain reasoning that Madeleine was still alive on that date. 

I am not satisfied with what I've read on Raj and Berry so far, just seems odd to me, that aside it is the photo date which is of concern. 
Where did the assumption it was taken on the afternoon of the 28th April come from and the reasoning? 
It clearly states in the Pj fIles that the single photo of Madeleine is timestamped 17.15, yet on the 2nd May the crèche sheet shows Madeleine being signed in at 14.45 and out at 17.15 by Kate McCann and Kate Healy respectively... these timings do not match so either the photo is incorrect or the crèche sheet? 

These photos were given to the Pj as early as the 4th yet none were used immediately in the search for Madeleine as we know, as it was a much younger photo with a shorter hairstyle. 

I appreciate extensive work has been done on the crèche sheets and the "last photo" amongst other things, however this is the first I've noticed that the playground photo is logged as 2nd May in the Pj fIles ( don't know how I missed it?) 
Hence my questions and confusion.

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Post by Phoebe on 20.02.18 10:40

I'm in the same position as you MayMuse. I have always wondered why Dr. Amaral still holds that Madeleine died on May 3rd. I cannot accept that he no longer follows the case and any new developments. His TV appearances show that he does, yet he is still sticking by death on May 3rd. When Balu was under suspicion for appearing to be "watching the family" in the playground and later, keeping company with the first prime suspect Murat, the P.J. asked the English police to interview him to check his bona fides. When  interviewed he must have recounted when and why he came to be in a McCann photo. He might have confirmed that it was, indeed, Wednesday, the day before it all kicked off. Something is making Goncalo Amaral believe nothing befell Madeleine before May 3rd. We also do not know what Alice Stanley and Chris Unsworth told the P.J. about whether they saw Madeleine at the sail that Thursday morning. In the absence of these pieces of information, there is not a complete account of when Madeleine may have been last seen.

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Post by MayMuse on 20.02.18 10:58

Thank you @Phoebe makes sense, I wonder what reason the Pj would have to hold back information from the files released and would OG have access to these? 

And who or what or how was the suggestion the photo was taken on the 28th April, where did that originate do you know?

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Post by roz on 20.02.18 11:52

The playground photos of Madeleine dated Wednesday 2nd May (in the PJ files) have puzzled me also. Madeleine is wearing longer pink trousers than she did in the airport video (Saturday 28th April) – and they appear (to me) to be wet at the knees.  It had rained Wednesday morning and the tennis lessons were cancelled until the afternoon.

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