Re: MMC 15 minutes at the Creche

by Guest 21.07.12 21:06

Just to correct my previous post, the proceedings started 17th May 2007, but Madeleine was made a ward of court as date below...........

During the Hearing it is revealed that Madeleine became a Ward of Court, on 02 April 2008, as the result of proceedings which started on 17 May 2007.

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by russiandoll 22.07.12 8:52

30th April Madeleine was carried home from the creche as sleepy. quote from Spaniel.

You have been quite scathing about the opinions of others but have based your own theory around an error. If you read the book and check KM statements, I think you will find that this day was 3rd May, the date of alleged abduction. A while ago I quoted what is below in asking was it possible a head injury had been worsening over a few hours or a day..

3rd May, KM gives a rundown of day's activities, incl. this :

When she finished jogging, around 5:20/5:30PM she went to the Tapas area. Gerry was there, as well as the twins and Madeleine who were eating at separate tables. Madeleine had been taken to the Tapas by the nannies. Her parents were required to sign the register when the meal was over. During the meal Kate asked Madeleine if she was sad because the other children in the group had gone to the beach without her: she replied that she wasn’t, but was rather tired. She asked Kate to carry her back to the apartment. Kate agreed, and Gerry led the twins back to the apartment. Tiredness was due to the intense daily activities, not to any sickness.

by tuom 22.07.12 20:28

russiandoll wrote: 30th April Madeleine was carried home from the creche as sleepy. quote from Spaniel.

You have been quite scathing about the opinions of others but have based your own theory around an error. If you read the book and check KM statements, I think you will find that this day was 3rd May, the date of alleged abduction. A while ago I quoted what is below in asking was it possible a head injury had been worsening over a few hours or a day..

3rd May, KM gives a rundown of day's activities, incl. this :

When she finished jogging, around 5:20/5:30PM she went to the Tapas area. Gerry was there, as well as the twins and Madeleine who were eating at separate tables. Madeleine had been taken to the Tapas by the nannies. Her parents were required to sign the register when the meal was over. During the meal Kate asked Madeleine if she was sad because the other children in the group had gone to the beach without her: she replied that she wasn’t, but was rather tired. She asked Kate to carry her back to the apartment. Kate agreed, and Gerry led the twins back to the apartment. Tiredness was due to the intense daily activities, not to any sickness.

Thanks RD , your earlier post is so spot on , the creche records ! I know there is something there , I am not finished really studying them carefully , but I just know they are not right ............ will be back , there is so much to read !!

by Hummingbird 23.07.12 10:02

tuom wrote:
russiandoll wrote: 30th April Madeleine was carried home from the creche as sleepy. quote from Spaniel.

You have been quite scathing about the opinions of others but have based your own theory around an error. If you read the book and check KM statements, I think you will find that this day was 3rd May, the date of alleged abduction. A while ago I quoted what is below in asking was it possible a head injury had been worsening over a few hours or a day..

3rd May, KM gives a rundown of day's activities, incl. this :

When she finished jogging, around 5:20/5:30PM she went to the Tapas area. Gerry was there, as well as the twins and Madeleine who were eating at separate tables. Madeleine had been taken to the Tapas by the nannies. Her parents were required to sign the register when the meal was over. During the meal Kate asked Madeleine if she was sad because the other children in the group had gone to the beach without her: she replied that she wasn’t, but was rather tired. She asked Kate to carry her back to the apartment. Kate agreed, and Gerry led the twins back to the apartment. Tiredness was due to the intense daily activities, not to any sickness.

Thanks RD , your earlier post is so spot on , the creche records ! I know there is something there , I am not finished really studying them carefully , but I just know they are not right ............ will be back , there is so much to read !!

Why would Kate ask Madeleine if she was sad because the other children had gone to the beach without her? Tanner had dropped off her eldest at the creche with MM that afternoon ( I have said before I think it very strange that the parents go to the beach but leave their eldest in the creche)
ROB said he went back from the beach to collect her at roughly 5ish, so why would MM be sad she would have been finishing creche then anyway and supposedlly sitting and having high tea.
Something not right about this comment at all.

by Spaniel 23.07.12 16:51

russiandoll wrote: 30th April Madeleine was carried home from the creche as sleepy. quote from Spaniel.

You have been quite scathing about the opinions of others but have based your own theory around an error. If you read the book and check KM statements, I think you will find that this day was 3rd May, the date of alleged abduction. A while ago I quoted what is below in asking was it possible a head injury had been worsening over a few hours or a day..

3rd May, KM gives a rundown of day's activities, incl. this :

When she finished jogging, around 5:20/5:30PM she went to the Tapas area. Gerry was there, as well as the twins and Madeleine who were eating at separate tables. Madeleine had been taken to the Tapas by the nannies. Her parents were required to sign the register when the meal was over. During the meal Kate asked Madeleine if she was sad because the other children in the group had gone to the beach without her: she replied that she wasn’t, but was rather tired. She asked Kate to carry her back to the apartment. Kate agreed, and Gerry led the twins back to the apartment. Tiredness was due to the intense daily activities, not to any sickness.

Thanks for posting that out Russian Doll, it's back to the drawing board then.

by russiandoll 01.09.12 13:01

A comment on the following from my earlier post quoting from the book " Madeleine". About the early evening of May 3rd and Maddie eating her meal.
" During the meal Kate asked Madeleine if she was sad because the other children in the group had gone to the beach without her."

Why not ask an open question like " You look sad. What is the matter?" and let the child say why she was unhappy. Presumably if Madeleine replied with either " I'm not sad Mummy" or ignored the question and just " moved on" [the same way Kate told us Maddie did early that morning at breakfast re the previous night's crying]....the issue would have been dropped as the questions re her crying had been dropped.
Why would Kate be so cruel as to point out to the child that she had been left behind when other children had gone to the beach? Kate's references to children in the group clearly means her friends' children.
Whose responsibility was it exactly to take Maddie to the beach? Kate and Gerry had taken Maddie and the twins earlier that week for a trip that was cut very short due to bad weather. Here was a nice afternoon, Maddie had been as usual at creche that morning and the parents had done their own thing.
Why did they not go as a family to the beach with the others? Did Kate and Gerry have the cheek to expect the other parents to mind their own child/ children if any/ all of the McCann children went to the beach, while they ran, jogged , played tennis again that afternoon?
I note Kate does not involve herself in the question re Maddie's sadness. I presume Maddie heard a conversation about the beach from the other children and adults, and Kate did not ask " Are you sad Maddie that I/we did not take you along to the beach with the others?"
Did Kate and/or Gerry not realise that at high tea their daughter would be only too aware that she had been left out of this trip? The twins were probably too young to make anything of this, but at nearly 4 Maddie would feel it. The wording is mean.....the other children went without you. It could have been we did not take you along, we're sorry
Was there an invitation from the other parents that was declined? Was the McCann family excluded for some reason?
The parents clearly had other priorities.
Kate McCann yet again divulges a lot about her character in this little episode.

by **tigger** 01.09.12 13:10

Only on the 3rd do we get conversations with Maddie - and these could not be called conversations.

The morning of the 3rd we have Maddie asking why her mother didn't come when she/Sean/Amelie (it changes over time) cried.
There appears to be no answer from her parents who go through the pantomine in interviews: 'We looked at each other and thought etc. '
Does it state anywhere if they asked 'Why she was crying?' No - the most striking thing is that she woke up! Kate is sorry that she didn't grab hold of her daughter (or shook her) to find out why she cried.
The night of the 3rd Maddie said she'd had the best day ever. Maddie had learned a little dance and arranged with her mother to show her this dance the following day. Both completely unlikely statements from a 4 year old who'd have no temporal awareness nor the patience to wait till the next day to show her little dance.
Now we have the caring mother asking her child if she'd felt left out.

by Guest 01.09.12 13:23

Madeleine supposedly said "when me and Sean were crying" - I wonder if "Me" could have been her nickname for Amelie; it makes more sense than that Amelie somehow managed not to be disturbed by the crying.

by **Nina** 01.09.12 13:25

tigger wrote:Only on the 3rd do we get conversations with Maddie - and these could not be called conversations.

The morning of the 3rd we have Maddie asking why her mother didn't come when she/Sean/Amelie (it changes over time) cried.
There appears to be no answer from her parents who go through the pantomine in interviews: 'We looked at each other and thought etc. '
Does it state anywhere if they asked 'Why she was crying?' No - the most striking thing is that she woke up! Kate is sorry that she didn't grab hold of her daughter (or shook her) to find out why she cried.
The night of the 3rd Maddie said she'd had the best day ever. Maddie had learned a little dance and arranged with her mother to show her this dance the following day. Both completely unlikely statements from a 4 year old who'd have no temporal awareness nor the patience to wait till the next day to show her little dance.
Now we have the caring mother asking her child if she'd felt left out.

It is almost like the spite of school yard talk, with nobody wants you as a friend. Sick woman.

by pennylane 01.09.12 14:13

"Where were you last night..........."

Odd how Kate claims the alleged crying occurred on the 2nd May, and could be very significant as "the abductor" may have disturbed the children the night before Madeleine disappeared; in yet she attaches zero significance to the lengthy crying episode overheard by the 'plummy voiced' Mrs Fenn on the night of 1st May.

Either Madeleine cried two nights running, or this is a crafty attempt to move the crying episode which got "louder and more expressive" as described by Mrs Fenn, from the 1st to the 2nd May.

The question is Why?

by **Nina** 01.09.12 14:23

pennylane wrote:"Where were you last night..........."

Odd how Kate claims the alleged crying occurred on the 2nd May, and could be very significant as "the abductor" may have disturbed the children the night before Madeleine disappeared; in yet she attaches zero significance to the lengthy crying episode overheard by the 'plummy voiced' Mrs Fenn on the night of 1st May.

Either Madeleine cried two nights running, or this is a crafty attempt to move the crying episode which got "louder and more expressive" as described by Mrs Fenn, from the 1st to the 2nd May.

The question is Why?

To prove that she was alive on the morning of the third to be able to say this over the breakfast table. To then allow the third to be the day of the 'abduction'

by pennylane 01.09.12 14:42

Nina wrote:
pennylane wrote:"Where were you last night..........."

Odd how Kate claims the alleged crying occurred on the 2nd May, and could be very significant as "the abductor" may have disturbed the children the night before Madeleine disappeared; in yet she attaches zero significance to the lengthy crying episode overheard by the 'plummy voiced' Mrs Fenn on the night of 1st May.

Either Madeleine cried two nights running, or this is a crafty attempt to move the crying episode which got "louder and more expressive" as described by Mrs Fenn, from the 1st to the 2nd May.

The question is Why?

To prove that she was alive on the morning of the third to be able to say this over the breakfast table. To then allow the third to be the day of the 'abduction'

Surely they could come up with a far less incriminating conversation with Madeleine if it's just to make it seem she was alive on the morning of 3rd. It seems the crying Mrs Fenn overheard on the 1st May worried them significantly enough to go to the trouble of attempting to confuse the time it occurred.

by **Nina** 01.09.12 17:34

pennylane wrote:
Nina wrote:
pennylane wrote:"Where were you last night..........."

Odd how Kate claims the alleged crying occurred on the 2nd May, and could be very significant as "the abductor" may have disturbed the children the night before Madeleine disappeared; in yet she attaches zero significance to the lengthy crying episode overheard by the 'plummy voiced' Mrs Fenn on the night of 1st May.

Either Madeleine cried two nights running, or this is a crafty attempt to move the crying episode which got "louder and more expressive" as described by Mrs Fenn, from the 1st to the 2nd May.

The question is Why?

To prove that she was alive on the morning of the third to be able to say this over the breakfast table. To then allow the third to be the day of the 'abduction'

Surely they could come up with a far less incriminating conversation with Madeleine if it's just to make it seem she was alive on the morning of 3rd. It seems the crying Mrs Fenn overheard on the 1st May worried them significantly enough to go to the trouble of attempting to confuse the time it occurred.

Of course they could but it had to have crying as the topic, the crying of the 1st, being switched to the 2nd.

by **HiDeHo** 09.09.12 4:04

Just to remind you of this..Turn the sound down a lttle before playing

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