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Why the Tapas Alibi & Jemmied Shutters?

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Re: Why the Tapas Alibi & Jemmied Shutters?

Post by tigger on 13.07.12 8:40

@ One:
I would really recommend following the money trail. Enid O'Dowds' analysis of the Fund is brilliant and very clear.
There was just far too much in place imo for it to have been an unforeseen accident. Only a handful of people needed to be in on the real story, that's why the rest are so hopeless with their evidence.

The 'psychology of the individual' which I so loved in Jeeves! is also at play here. These are extremely arrogant people, the xenophobia unleashed in the press was part of the plan. Basicially they portrayed themselves as 'babes in the woods' with Gerry, a doctor/consultant of nearly 40 years old they were naive!! Please don't insult my basic intelligence too much, Dr. McCann. Lulled into a false sense of security - after being warned about burglars and in the most vulnerable apartment on the block...

They were 'a heart surgeon and an anesthetist' but Gerry is a consultant and Kate does not appear to have any qualification as an anesthetist, although she did start to specialise in it, someone checked the BM register and it shows no further qualifications after MD.

They may have thought that there were several reasons why they would not be treated like ordinary mortals by the PJ:
Their professional status -
Their being foreign visitors -
Their alibis backed up by other professionals of equally high status -
Their contacts with the highest government level in the UK - (consuls and ambassador on the spot within hours - etc.)
Their contacts with the international press and their unlimited privileged use of a top level PR official paid for by the very same government.

All the above in my opinion of course.



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Re: Why the Tapas Alibi & Jemmied Shutters?

Post by tigger on 13.07.12 9:04

Sorry to post twice but it's clearer this way.


How it should have gone?

Report kidnap.
Alert press for max coverage. Family and friends ready to distribute news and suitable photographs.
Give the police the details. Perhaps a short interview with police to establish timeline.

Government officials on hand to help.
Stress the need for Amber Alert system in the press and set up the Fund.
Set up firewall by employing lawyers.
Contact celebrities to aid search.
Play the religion card.
Feed the paedophile angle with sightings and archive material.

Contact the Amber Alert system in US - contact other such organisations - start promoting microchipping agenda.
Promote Amber Alert in Europe. Hijack existing treaties and organisations by ‘launching’ such schemes.
(It will only take two generations and this terrible thing will never happen again etc.)
Link with every possible charity (ambassadorial jobs - promoting their agenda) .

Make highly publicised visits to heads of state, PMs etc.

Make Portugal your home base (public will love them not leaving the area where Maddie was last seen alive - lucky that’s Little England in the Algarve, what’s not to like?)
Give up your job(s) - they are devoting their lives to finding all lost children even if they can’t find Madeleine...

Perhaps run for parliament on the sympathy ticket. Write a bestseller, sell the film rights.
Be photographed and interviewed frequently, as much in the news as A level celebrities.

This above fantasy is mine and mine only, Kevin.

We're seeing only the remnants of their bright hopes of five years ago being played out. A pale reflection of what could have been?

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Post by Pershing36 on 13.07.12 10:28

I read something earlier I have not heard before. Some people of talking of a tenth tapas member, somebody who allegedly argued with Gerry then flew home.

Is this just ramblings or does anyone have any theories on this?
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Post by Guest on 13.07.12 13:28

There have been rumours from an early stage that there was at least one more person in the group who did not want his / her / their presence to be known; I'm sure it's been raised before and, though I haven't been able to find it, I expect someone else will.
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Post by uppatoffee on 13.07.12 13:41

If I recall correctly there was a nephew of a labour minister who was in the resort at the same time with his kids. He flew back to Switzerland around the time of her disappearance. I don't know that a link between him and the tapas group has ever been proved though.
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Post by Guest on 13.07.12 13:58

That was Philip Edmonds who claimed to have a photo of Madeleine in PDL but never published it.
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Post by Pershing36 on 13.07.12 13:58

@uppatoffee wrote:If I recall correctly there was a nephew of a labour minister who was in the resort at the same time with his kids. He flew back to Switzerland around the time of her disappearance. I don't know that a link between him and the tapas group has ever been proved though.


I have being doing some Google searches and some people seem to think GM's brother.
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Post by monkey mind on 13.07.12 14:06

@One wrote:I'm simply wondering why such a lame alibi in the first place. Both MW and the PJ's insist there was no break in, how would you know on the 3rd that the lack of evidence would never be a problem? How would you know that the majority of the world would buy the story? I often wonder how things would stack up on that front in a court particularly if the McCann family/friends were summoned to explain where they got the info for the first press reports. And how they felt when they realized things didn't happen exactly as they were told.
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Maybe it wasn't meant to be such a lame alibi, maybe that was simply an unforseen product of circumstance due to Jez Wilkins being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Maybe G was on his way back to the apartment at about 9.15 to put the finishing touches to the *break in* scene. But forcing those shutters would be a noisy business, G would have known that through his efforts at breaking one earlier in the week. He wouldn't have to worry about waking the twins though, as we know they didn't stir a jot that entire night not even with T9 and plod stomping all over their bedroom. No they weren't the worry but who could have foreseen the spanner in the works that was JW walking his child on that quiet little lane?

Maybe the alarm was due to be called just after the shutters were forced at 9.15 and that's why JT was casually sauntering up the road in G’s wake, to be in a position to hear the *break in* and then see the *abductor*.
But JW unwittingly put paid to all that.

Maybe that is why Matthew Oldfield went and checked on the McCann children for the very first time that week. Not because it was a nice thing to do on the last night as he said, because, well, it wasn’t the last night was it? It was to be seen to be Maddie’s last night so how did MO appear to know that before he was supposed to?

Maybe G, on his return to the Tapas task unfulfilled had persuaded Oldfield to go back and do the job of forcing the shutters, but for some reason he too bottled out. Perhaps he feared someone liek JW was still about and he might be caught forcing the shutters to a room where Maddie was supposed to be sleeping when he knew she wasn’t. Boy, that would take some explaining. Reckon I’d bottle out too!!

So maybe it was plan B and K was then sent to raise the alarm and because there simply wasn’t time to think of anything else, they simply, like rabbits stuck in headlights, stuck to the original script.

And that’s where it all started to go wrong and became as you aptly put it, lame....
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Post by monkey mind on 13.07.12 14:14

Excellent synopsis Tigger. thumbsup
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Post by monkey mind on 13.07.12 14:22

@monkey mind wrote:
@One wrote:I'm simply wondering why such a lame alibi in the first place. Both MW and the PJ's insist there was no break in, how would you know on the 3rd that the lack of evidence would never be a problem? How would you know that the majority of the world would buy the story? I often wonder how things would stack up on that front in a court particularly if the McCann family/friends were summoned to explain where they got the info for the first press reports. And how they felt when they realized things didn't happen exactly as they were told.
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Maybe it wasn't meant to be such a lame alibi, maybe that was simply an unforseen product of circumstance due to Jez Wilkins being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Maybe G was on his way back to the apartment at about 9.15 to put the finishing touches to the *break in* scene. But forcing those shutters would be a noisy business, G would have known that through his efforts at breaking one earlier in the week. He wouldn't have to worry about waking the twins though, as we know they didn't stir a jot that entire night not even with T9 and plod stomping all over their bedroom. No they weren't the worry but who could have foreseen the spanner in the works that was JW walking his child on that quiet little lane?

Maybe the alarm was due to be called just after the shutters were forced at 9.15 and that's why JT was casually sauntering up the road in G’s wake, to be in a position to hear the *break in* and then see the *abductor*.
But JW unwittingly put paid to all that.

Maybe that is why Matthew Oldfield went and checked on the McCann children for the very first time that week. Not because it was a nice thing to do on the last night as he said, because, well, it wasn’t the last night was it? It was to be seen to be Maddie’s last night so how did MO appear to know that before he was supposed to?

Maybe G, on his return to the Tapas task unfulfilled had persuaded Oldfield to go back and do the job of forcing the shutters, but for some reason he too bottled out. Perhaps he feared someone liek JW was still about and he might be caught forcing the shutters to a room where Maddie was supposed to be sleeping when he knew she wasn’t. Boy, that would take some explaining. Reckon I’d bottle out too!!

So maybe it was plan B and K was then sent to raise the alarm and because there simply wasn’t time to think of anything else, they simply, like rabbits stuck in headlights, stuck to the original script.

And that’s where it all started to go wrong and became as you aptly put it, lame....
And maybe that's why they tor a page or two from Maddie's sticker book in order to write down their timeline, to be clear in their own minds where they had been forced to deviate from the original script. If it had been caried out in the manner I suggest above, the break in and abductor being witnessed would have been far more convincing to all concerned would it not? Not lame at all.....
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Post by Cristobell on 13.07.12 18:42

@monkey mind wrote:
@One wrote:I'm simply wondering why such a lame alibi in the first place. Both MW and the PJ's insist there was no break in, how would you know on the 3rd that the lack of evidence would never be a problem? How would you know that the majority of the world would buy the story? I often wonder how things would stack up on that front in a court particularly if the McCann family/friends were summoned to explain where they got the info for the first press reports. And how they felt when they realized things didn't happen exactly as they were told.
One,
Maybe it wasn't meant to be such a lame alibi, maybe that was simply an unforseen product of circumstance due to Jez Wilkins being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Maybe G was on his way back to the apartment at about 9.15 to put the finishing touches to the *break in* scene. But forcing those shutters would be a noisy business, G would have known that through his efforts at breaking one earlier in the week. He wouldn't have to worry about waking the twins though, as we know they didn't stir a jot that entire night not even with T9 and plod stomping all over their bedroom. No they weren't the worry but who could have foreseen the spanner in the works that was JW walking his child on that quiet little lane?

Maybe the alarm was due to be called just after the shutters were forced at 9.15 and that's why JT was casually sauntering up the road in G’s wake, to be in a position to hear the *break in* and then see the *abductor*.
But JW unwittingly put paid to all that.

Maybe that is why Matthew Oldfield went and checked on the McCann children for the very first time that week. Not because it was a nice thing to do on the last night as he said, because, well, it wasn’t the last night was it? It was to be seen to be Maddie’s last night so how did MO appear to know that before he was supposed to?

Maybe G, on his return to the Tapas task unfulfilled had persuaded Oldfield to go back and do the job of forcing the shutters, but for some reason he too bottled out. Perhaps he feared someone liek JW was still about and he might be caught forcing the shutters to a room where Maddie was supposed to be sleeping when he knew she wasn’t. Boy, that would take some explaining. Reckon I’d bottle out too!!

So maybe it was plan B and K was then sent to raise the alarm and because there simply wasn’t time to think of anything else, they simply, like rabbits stuck in headlights, stuck to the original script.

And that’s where it all started to go wrong and became as you aptly put it, lame....




Interesting theory One. I have always thought the presence of JW messed up Plan A. It means the abductor had to strike while the childrens' father was standing outside the apartment, and it discredits the evidence of JT. Both men claim not to have seen her.

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Post by One on 14.07.12 8:40

There are some very interesting points of view that I hadn't considered.

I had a look at Enid O Dowd's report on the Fund, a remarkable piece. It raises a lot of questions but also explains many grey areas. I suppose the word that comes to mind is "astounding".

I can identify with your assessment, Tigger. There's a troubling mix of arrogance and xenophobia that recurs.

Monkey Mind's assessment makes a lot of sense in that JW may well have posed a distraction but looking at the picture of the rear (Pat Brown's blog) shows that despite what's said about the front of the building it wasn't as dark and lonely a place as was painted. I wouldn't envy the task of jemmying the bedroom shutters.

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Post by Nina on 21.07.12 16:39

With reference to MM posted by Annabel.

As I have been way off topic on the 15 minutes in the creche thread, brought this here as it is about the shutters and the jemmied/abduction message.

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id31.html

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Post by ProfessorPPlum on 21.07.12 18:28

The more I think about this, the more it strikes me that this is all about ‘distancing’.

Let’s imagine your child dies while on holiday. There is only one reason that you would fake an abduction and that would be to disappear her body. And there can only be one reason why you would do that: to disappear evidence of what you had done (or allowed to be done) to her. That evidence could point at any number of things - for example that you neglected her (allowing her to fall behind the sofa), that you perhaps sedated her (enough to kill her or cause her to fall and fatally injure herself) or that someone had been physically or sexually abusing her.

Reading all this about the ‘jemmied shutters’ has been useful because it reminds me that these people lied from the outset about the shutters for the reasons that you fine people have gone into in this thread. They fed the 'Jemmied window' account directly to the media via their family mouthpieces (all of whom kindly repeated what they had been told). The only pesky fly in the ointment, of course, was that the PJ and MW representatives found absolutely no evidence of the shutters being tampered with in any way.

Some here have suggested that ‘Plan A’ included jimmying the windows so that there would at least be ‘evidence’ to support their explanation for Madeleine's disappearance but that JW messed things up by showing up unexpectedly. So, if that was the case, why not go back and give them a bit of a battering with a crowbar AFTERWARDS? Sure there would be time wouldn’t there?

Yes. Or maybe no – which brings me back to the matter of distance.

Distance, in this case, was vital if they were to stage an abduction and disassociate themselves (as people have described here) from the responsibility for what happened to Madeleine. That distance was bought at a price of being branded neglectful parents but I believe it was a deliberate sacrifice. And they have repeated this pattern of ‘sacrifice’ (trading overt losses for covert gains) throughout in my opinion. The ‘Mummy, why didn’t you come…’ story is an example of this. Kate’s ‘bewcq’ is a transparent collection of attempts to fix inconsistencies already accrued through such trading.

Which finally brings me back to timing. Why could the McCanns NOT wait and have another go at quietly jimmying the windows after Jez Wilkins had gone away? Was there some unseen pressure on time that meant that this couldn’t happen but which forced plan A to go ahead anyway, incomplete and clearly doomed?

For this abduction to work they needed distance – and needed it so badly they were prepared to pay for it in mountains of public scorn and even potential criminal charges. Could it be that that distance depended on time, and that they were simply running out of it on the night of the 3rd?

Does anyone know what time the Tapas bar closed?

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Post by jd on 21.07.12 18:38

There is only one reason that you would fake an abduction and that would be to disappear her body. And there can only be one reason why you would do that: to disappear evidence of what you had done (or allowed to be done) to her. That evidence could point at any number of things - for example that you neglected her (allowing her to fall behind the sofa), that you perhaps sedated her (enough to kill her or cause her to fall and fatally injure herself) or that someone had been physically or sexually abusing her.

Yes this is it. Abduction=No body. Which they tried everything to sell abduction from day 1, so much so it became so obvious especially as they would never entertain any other possibility. Also, it was on MW property and who who had all the 'right' connections that got involved so very quickly. One of the owners of OC....Symingtons
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Post by Nina on 21.07.12 18:52

@ProfessorPPlum wrote:The more I think about this, the more it strikes me that this is all about ‘distancing’.

Let’s imagine your child dies while on holiday. There is only one reason that you would fake an abduction and that would be to disappear her body. And there can only be one reason why you would do that: to disappear evidence of what you had done (or allowed to be done) to her. That evidence could point at any number of things - for example that you neglected her (allowing her to fall behind the sofa), that you perhaps sedated her (enough to kill her or cause her to fall and fatally injure herself) or that someone had been physically or sexually abusing her.

Reading all this about the ‘jemmied shutters’ has been useful because it reminds me that these people lied from the outset about the shutters for the reasons that you fine people have gone into in this thread. They fed the 'Jemmied window' account directly to the media via their family mouthpieces (all of whom kindly repeated what they had been told). The only pesky fly in the ointment, of course, was that the PJ and MW representatives found absolutely no evidence of the shutters being tampered with in any way.

Some here have suggested that ‘Plan A’ included jimmying the windows so that there would at least be ‘evidence’ to support their explanation for Madeleine's disappearance but that JW messed things up by showing up unexpectedly. So, if that was the case, why not go back and give them a bit of a battering with a crowbar AFTERWARDS? Sure there would be time wouldn’t there?

Yes. Or maybe no – which brings me back to the matter of distance.

Distance, in this case, was vital if they were to stage an abduction and disassociate themselves (as people have described here) from the responsibility for what happened to Madeleine. That distance was bought at a price of being branded neglectful parents but I believe it was a deliberate sacrifice. And they have repeated this pattern of ‘sacrifice’ (trading overt losses for covert gains) throughout in my opinion. The ‘Mummy, why didn’t you come…’ story is an example of this. Kate’s ‘bewcq’ is a transparent collection of attempts to fix inconsistencies already accrued through such trading.

Which finally brings me back to timing. Why could the McCanns NOT wait and have another go at quietly jimmying the windows after Jez Wilkins had gone away? Was there some unseen pressure on time that meant that this couldn’t happen but which forced plan A to go ahead anyway, incomplete and clearly doomed?

For this abduction to work they needed distance – and needed it so badly they were prepared to pay for it in mountains of public scorn and even potential criminal charges. Could it be that that distance depended on time, and that they were simply running out of it on the night of the 3rd?

Does anyone know what time the Tapas bar closed?


goodpost Thursday evening was to be the last evening when they could go on the lash, yes they would be there friday but not possible for a late night. So thursday it had to be. You ask what time the Tapas closed, well I think about halh elevenish but would maybe stay open till midnight at a push and if lots of money was being spent, which it wasn;t as what they had was included in the cost of the holiday. So it had to be thursday and it had to be night to allow the children to be alone.

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Post by Guest on 21.07.12 18:56

@Nina wrote:
@ProfessorPPlum wrote:The more I think about this, the more it strikes me that this is all about ‘distancing’.

Let’s imagine your child dies while on holiday. There is only one reason that you would fake an abduction and that would be to disappear her body. And there can only be one reason why you would do that: to disappear evidence of what you had done (or allowed to be done) to her. That evidence could point at any number of things - for example that you neglected her (allowing her to fall behind the sofa), that you perhaps sedated her (enough to kill her or cause her to fall and fatally injure herself) or that someone had been physically or sexually abusing her.

Reading all this about the ‘jemmied shutters’ has been useful because it reminds me that these people lied from the outset about the shutters for the reasons that you fine people have gone into in this thread. They fed the 'Jemmied window' account directly to the media via their family mouthpieces (all of whom kindly repeated what they had been told). The only pesky fly in the ointment, of course, was that the PJ and MW representatives found absolutely no evidence of the shutters being tampered with in any way.

Some here have suggested that ‘Plan A’ included jimmying the windows so that there would at least be ‘evidence’ to support their explanation for Madeleine's disappearance but that JW messed things up by showing up unexpectedly. So, if that was the case, why not go back and give them a bit of a battering with a crowbar AFTERWARDS? Sure there would be time wouldn’t there?

Yes. Or maybe no – which brings me back to the matter of distance.

Distance, in this case, was vital if they were to stage an abduction and disassociate themselves (as people have described here) from the responsibility for what happened to Madeleine. That distance was bought at a price of being branded neglectful parents but I believe it was a deliberate sacrifice. And they have repeated this pattern of ‘sacrifice’ (trading overt losses for covert gains) throughout in my opinion. The ‘Mummy, why didn’t you come…’ story is an example of this. Kate’s ‘bewcq’ is a transparent collection of attempts to fix inconsistencies already accrued through such trading.

Which finally brings me back to timing. Why could the McCanns NOT wait and have another go at quietly jimmying the windows after Jez Wilkins had gone away? Was there some unseen pressure on time that meant that this couldn’t happen but which forced plan A to go ahead anyway, incomplete and clearly doomed?

For this abduction to work they needed distance – and needed it so badly they were prepared to pay for it in mountains of public scorn and even potential criminal charges. Could it be that that distance depended on time, and that they were simply running out of it on the night of the 3rd?

Does anyone know what time the Tapas bar closed?


Thursday evening was to be the last evening when they could go on the lash, yes they would be there friday but not possible for a late night. So thursday it had to be. You ask what time the Tapas closed, well I think about halh elevenish but would maybe stay open till midnight at a push and if lots of money was being spent, which it wasn;t as what they had was included in the cost of the holiday. So it had to be thursday and it had to be night to allow the children to be alone.



If Maddie had been decomposing since the 30th, time indeed was running out.

Why sedate the twins? To make sure they never noticed anything.
And to mask that -and proving that it did happen- we have been told recently how clever they really are and how surprisingly much they really remember of the pre-Maddie-demise period.
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Post by Nina on 21.07.12 19:16

@Portia wrote:
@Nina wrote:
@ProfessorPPlum wrote:The more I think about this, the more it strikes me that this is all about ‘distancing’.

Let’s imagine your child dies while on holiday. There is only one reason that you would fake an abduction and that would be to disappear her body. And there can only be one reason why you would do that: to disappear evidence of what you had done (or allowed to be done) to her. That evidence could point at any number of things - for example that you neglected her (allowing her to fall behind the sofa), that you perhaps sedated her (enough to kill her or cause her to fall and fatally injure herself) or that someone had been physically or sexually abusing her.

Reading all this about the ‘jemmied shutters’ has been useful because it reminds me that these people lied from the outset about the shutters for the reasons that you fine people have gone into in this thread. They fed the 'Jemmied window' account directly to the media via their family mouthpieces (all of whom kindly repeated what they had been told). The only pesky fly in the ointment, of course, was that the PJ and MW representatives found absolutely no evidence of the shutters being tampered with in any way.

Some here have suggested that ‘Plan A’ included jimmying the windows so that there would at least be ‘evidence’ to support their explanation for Madeleine's disappearance but that JW messed things up by showing up unexpectedly. So, if that was the case, why not go back and give them a bit of a battering with a crowbar AFTERWARDS? Sure there would be time wouldn’t there?

Yes. Or maybe no – which brings me back to the matter of distance.

Distance, in this case, was vital if they were to stage an abduction and disassociate themselves (as people have described here) from the responsibility for what happened to Madeleine. That distance was bought at a price of being branded neglectful parents but I believe it was a deliberate sacrifice. And they have repeated this pattern of ‘sacrifice’ (trading overt losses for covert gains) throughout in my opinion. The ‘Mummy, why didn’t you come…’ story is an example of this. Kate’s ‘bewcq’ is a transparent collection of attempts to fix inconsistencies already accrued through such trading.

Which finally brings me back to timing. Why could the McCanns NOT wait and have another go at quietly jimmying the windows after Jez Wilkins had gone away? Was there some unseen pressure on time that meant that this couldn’t happen but which forced plan A to go ahead anyway, incomplete and clearly doomed?

For this abduction to work they needed distance – and needed it so badly they were prepared to pay for it in mountains of public scorn and even potential criminal charges. Could it be that that distance depended on time, and that they were simply running out of it on the night of the 3rd?

Does anyone know what time the Tapas bar closed?


Thursday evening was to be the last evening when they could go on the lash, yes they would be there friday but not possible for a late night. So thursday it had to be. You ask what time the Tapas closed, well I think about halh elevenish but would maybe stay open till midnight at a push and if lots of money was being spent, which it wasn;t as what they had was included in the cost of the holiday. So it had to be thursday and it had to be night to allow the children to be alone.



If Maddie had been decomposing since the 30th, time indeed was running out.

Why sedate the twins? To make sure they never noticed anything.
And to mask that -and proving that it did happen- we have been told recently how clever they really are and how surprisingly much they really remember of the pre-Maddie-demise period.

Yes, Kate and Gerry McCann lied to their parents, siblings and friends, and then us, Joe Public. But the most unforgivable lies are to the twins. They have been lied to on a daily basis that their sister would return and that a bad man took her.
And Kate is an Ambassador for Missing People, yes she should be because she knows a great deal about missing children, her own, her first born.

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Re: Why the Tapas Alibi & Jemmied Shutters?

Post by Guest on 21.07.12 20:36

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@ProfessorPPlum wrote:The more I think about this, the more it strikes me that this is all about ‘distancing’.

Let’s imagine your child dies while on holiday. There is only one reason that you would fake an abduction and that would be to disappear her body. And there can only be one reason why you would do that: to disappear evidence of what you had done (or allowed to be done) to her. That evidence could point at any number of things - for example that you neglected her (allowing her to fall behind the sofa), that you perhaps sedated her (enough to kill her or cause her to fall and fatally injure herself) or that someone had been physically or sexually abusing her.

Reading all this about the ‘jemmied shutters’ has been useful because it reminds me that these people lied from the outset about the shutters for the reasons that you fine people have gone into in this thread. They fed the 'Jemmied window' account directly to the media via their family mouthpieces (all of whom kindly repeated what they had been told). The only pesky fly in the ointment, of course, was that the PJ and MW representatives found absolutely no evidence of the shutters being tampered with in any way.

Some here have suggested that ‘Plan A’ included jimmying the windows so that there would at least be ‘evidence’ to support their explanation for Madeleine's disappearance but that JW messed things up by showing up unexpectedly. So, if that was the case, why not go back and give them a bit of a battering with a crowbar AFTERWARDS? Sure there would be time wouldn’t there?

Yes. Or maybe no – which brings me back to the matter of distance.

Distance, in this case, was vital if they were to stage an abduction and disassociate themselves (as people have described here) from the responsibility for what happened to Madeleine. That distance was bought at a price of being branded neglectful parents but I believe it was a deliberate sacrifice. And they have repeated this pattern of ‘sacrifice’ (trading overt losses for covert gains) throughout in my opinion. The ‘Mummy, why didn’t you come…’ story is an example of this. Kate’s ‘bewcq’ is a transparent collection of attempts to fix inconsistencies already accrued through such trading.

Which finally brings me back to timing. Why could the McCanns NOT wait and have another go at quietly jimmying the windows after Jez Wilkins had gone away? Was there some unseen pressure on time that meant that this couldn’t happen but which forced plan A to go ahead anyway, incomplete and clearly doomed?

For this abduction to work they needed distance – and needed it so badly they were prepared to pay for it in mountains of public scorn and even potential criminal charges. Could it be that that distance depended on time, and that they were simply running out of it on the night of the 3rd?

Does anyone know what time the Tapas bar closed?


Thursday evening was to be the last evening when they could go on the lash, yes they would be there friday but not possible for a late night. So thursday it had to be. You ask what time the Tapas closed, well I think about halh elevenish but would maybe stay open till midnight at a push and if lots of money was being spent, which it wasn;t as what they had was included in the cost of the holiday. So it had to be thursday and it had to be night to allow the children to be alone.



If Maddie had been decomposing since the 30th, time indeed was running out.

Why sedate the twins? To make sure they never noticed anything.
And to mask that -and proving that it did happen- we have been told recently how clever they really are and how surprisingly much they really remember of the pre-Maddie-demise period.

Yes, Kate and Gerry McCann lied to their parents, siblings and friends, and then us, Joe Public. But the most unforgivable lies are to the twins. They have been lied to on a daily basis that their sister would return and that a bad man took her.
And Kate is an Ambassador for Missing People, yes she should be because she knows a great deal about missing children, her own, her first born.

Sorry, very off topic. But the full horror of the situation just struck me, through the last few words.

It's hard to imagine what these poor kids will be up against during their lives, from a psychological point of view.

But for the present: who's actually supposed to be looking after them physically, while their parents are otherwise engaged?

Maddie was left for a quarter of an hour at most -say these parents- but is GM taking the day off when KH's preening in front of a camera, or running a marathon? And when the parents are running this marathon together, where, pray, are their 6-yr old children then?

Are the McCs not consciously inviting yet another disaster, by acting the way they do, knowing -they want us to believe- that their little girl Maddie had been watched by and abductor for days? Now, absence seems to be the regular order of things in the McCs household nowadays. Have we checked how many would-be abductors are loitering across the street now, waiting for the jogging party to begin?

How in the name of Bl J-s could you not keep a 24hrs watch on the children you have left?!
What madness drives you to chase a couple of hours in the limelight, fully aware (now) of the risks and the horrendous price?!
Or don't you care, knowing it won't be you, but these children who could be the next victims, and so would ultimately be the ones asked to pay the price?
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