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Post by bunny on 05.03.10 22:52

Anyone?
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Post by Kololi on 05.03.10 22:56

Hi
Just logged in after having an hour as an elf and killing some rather mean ogres who were hell bent on eating some weird looking kid called Corki. Hey we all have things we like to do when not chatting here.......

Sad to see folks a little upset. Can I be so bold as to say that all the people here, whether they tend to appear to believe the abduction theory or they don't, make this a pleasant forum to be part of. Even Mr Grumpy deserves a hug on ocassions when you see all the posts with questions in for him to answer.

Come on guys, whatever we actually believe to have happened in our hearts, we can chat here generally without fear of being banned because we do not agree with the forum holder. Hows about we attack another bag of jelly babies and a few big bottles of wine in the Fencers Retreat.

One rule only - the nice new plump sofa is only for those of us who haven't made our final decision of what we think happened that fateful night. The rest of you get to stand...... big grin

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Post by bunny on 05.03.10 23:01

Sorry, i thought we were being polite. None of the pros on here have been rude.

I just dont understand any of this.

The spamming that went on in the morning, no one knows who that was and yet again its being attributed to a pro.

As for the aids thing. I havent seen that posted on here anywhere. So dont understand where that came from at all????
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Post by twinkle on 05.03.10 23:07

not sure what I have walked in on.
Jill is obviously pissed off with something that has happened this morning from what I can see. If we are adults about this then there is no need to take personal offence at this, just try to understand how others are feeling.
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Post by bunny on 05.03.10 23:09

Im not taking offence. Im trying to understand.

E.T.A. the spamming was the other morning Twinkle. My posts not worded to well. Sorry
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Post by twinkle on 05.03.10 23:12

Okay, sorry......not sure what is going on TBH.
Hope things can be resolved, it ain't to bad here.
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Post by bunny on 05.03.10 23:17

You and me both Twinkle...not sure whats going on.

thinking
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Post by aliberte2 on 05.03.10 23:23

This Case has Attracted the Worst of the Worst on Both Sides.
What Happened to the 3As, for Example, was Not the Fault of "pros" At all.
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Post by twinkle on 06.03.10 0:04

The case may have attracted the worst from both sides, but this forum certainly hasn't.
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Post by vaguely1 on 06.03.10 0:09

Oh I dunno twinks, having been told I was Satan to Mr Benett's jesus last night, and now being told half or us aren't members, just guests who are paid to post here anyway and hunt in packs as 'goons' from PFA I get the definite feeling that some of us are perceived to be the worst, even if that's not our intention.

all a bit sad really.

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Post by bellatrix on 06.03.10 0:26

jkh wrote:
@bellatrix wrote:
jkh wrote:You Pro's can spout Gerry's mantra all you like, but I'm not a Pro or on the fence. I've made my opinion about them quite clear on here and on my blog and nothing any of you have said has made me change my mind. It's made me think, yes, but not change my mind.

I support Goncalo Amaral and his view of what happened based on the British police dogs which the British police, not Amaral, suggested were taken to PDL. That's why I spent so much time putting this blog together:

http://goncaloamaraltruthofthelie.blogspot.com/

This case needs to be reopened so that the truth can be known and the perpetrators brought to justice, but until that happens then I will continue to believe in the dogs and not the rotting meat and dirty nappies excuses.

I'm sure you all have other forums where you can discuss how innocent the McCanns are, but this isn't one of them.


Does that mean only one opinion is allowed on here? I thought you said debate was good? (Confused-as always lol!)

Debate is good, but you Pro's hunt in packs and surround your victim til they lose the will to live.

Many members have given up posting here because of it. Which, I suppose, is what you're paid to do to shut us all up.

It might be worth people remembering that this forum is a place for the 'Anti's' and MF members and everyone else are just guests here, even those under instructions from Carter Ruck like Mike Gunnill.

The Pro's will be first out the door before the rest of us.


TBH I finding your post quite insulting.I have never "hunted in packs" nor am I paid to post nor do I class myself as a pro or anti.I do realise you have a lot on your plate at the moment so I hope a break from here will help.x
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Post by aiyoyo on 06.03.10 2:32

[quote="bunny"]Sorry, i thought we were being polite. None of the pros on here have been rude.

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It's interesting to note you concede there are pros here....
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Post by aiyoyo on 06.03.10 2:41

@bellatrix wrote:[TBH I finding your post quite insulting.I have never "hunted in packs" nor am I paid to post nor do I class myself as a pro or anti.I do realise you have a lot on your plate at the moment so I hope a break from here will help.x

May I ask, why take offence if you are not guilty.

AFAIU, jkh was only making a point with the pros or those pros disguised as fence sitters how she wants her forum to be.

AFAIAC, as a member I considered myself a guest anyway.
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Post by aliberte2 on 06.03.10 3:01

@aiyoyo wrote:
@bellatrix wrote:[TBH I finding your post quite insulting.I have never "hunted in packs" nor am I paid to post nor do I class myself as a pro or anti.I do realise you have a lot on your plate at the moment so I hope a break from here will help.x

May I ask, why take offence if you are not guilty.


Because it's an Untrue, Unfair Accusation?
Seriously?
You don't Take Offense When People Accuse You of Things You didn't Do?
No Wonder You Can't Understand the McCanns.
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Post by Autumn on 06.03.10 3:40

And what exactly is it we are not understanding about the McCanns?
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Post by aliberte2 on 06.03.10 5:02

@Autumn wrote:And what exactly is it we are not understanding about the McCanns?

"We"?
Do you Also Believe that Only Guilty People Show Offense When Accused of Crimes They Didn't Commit?
Even that Sentence was Beyond Stupid to Type.
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Post by aiyoyo on 06.03.10 6:40

@aliberte2 wrote:
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@bellatrix wrote:[TBH I finding your post quite insulting.I have never "hunted in packs" nor am I paid to post nor do I class myself as a pro or anti.I do realise you have a lot on your plate at the moment so I hope a break from here will help.x

May I ask, why take offence if you are not guilty.


Because it's an Untrue, Unfair Accusation?
Seriously?
You don't Take Offense When People Accuse You of Things You didn't Do?
No Wonder You Can't Understand the McCanns.

The thing is: I dont see you or anyone been picked out in particular.
Unless I missed it - point me to it then!

Jkh hasnt named people, so why are you conceding guilt?

And, btw what has this got to do with the mccanns?
What is there to understand or not understand about the mccanns?
Isnt this about Madeleine? Honestly, the direction you carry on...., no wonder you imagined all sorts.
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Post by justagrannynow 1 on 06.03.10 6:47

Well it looks as though everybody had a good night. lol!

Seriously though, I understand what Jill is getting at, and I think the posters expressing surprise do too. There is more than one way of being impolite and several posters IMO are overstepping that line. Long sections of some threads consist of a couple of pro posters slapping each other on the back, ready to stifle any attempt at discussing an alternative view. It is almost like nagging and is equally draining, to the point where I, on more than one occasion, have just moved off despite feeling that I would like to have joined in. It is not as strong as intimidation. That, IMO is easier to detect and cope with. This feels like being henpecked into submission. Just look at the threads where Tony Bennett has posted something if you want to see what is meant by " hunting in packs".
This is Jills forum. She makes the rules and sets the standards and all who post here should accept that. There is one rule, " keep it civil". IMO nagging and bullying, ( ever so politely of course) are not civil.
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Post by hedge on 06.03.10 10:12

Crumbs this thread is a bit Sad
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Post by bellatrix on 06.03.10 11:04

@aiyoyo wrote:
@bellatrix wrote:[TBH I finding your post quite insulting.I have never "hunted in packs" nor am I paid to post nor do I class myself as a pro or anti.I do realise you have a lot on your plate at the moment so I hope a break from here will help.x

May I ask, why take offence if you are not guilty.

AFAIU, jkh was only making a point with the pros or those pros disguised as fence sitters how she wants her forum to be.

AFAIAC, as a member I considered myself a guest anyway.


Because it generalises that all pro's are the same,bit like generalising that all anti's are pitchforkers.
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Post by bellatrix on 06.03.10 11:14

@vaguely1 wrote:
jkh wrote:
@bellatrix wrote:
jkh wrote:You Pro's can spout Gerry's mantra all you like, but I'm not a Pro or on the fence. I've made my opinion about them quite clear on here and on my blog and nothing any of you have said has made me change my mind. It's made me think, yes, but not change my mind.

I support Goncalo Amaral and his view of what happened based on the British police dogs which the British police, not Amaral, suggested were taken to PDL. That's why I spent so much time putting this blog together:

http://goncaloamaraltruthofthelie.blogspot.com/

This case needs to be reopened so that the truth can be known and the perpetrators brought to justice, but until that happens then I will continue to believe in the dogs and not the rotting meat and dirty nappies excuses.

I'm sure you all have other forums where you can discuss how innocent the McCanns are, but this isn't one of them.


Does that mean only one opinion is allowed on here? I thought you said debate was good? (Confused-as always lol!)

Debate is good, but you Pro's hunt in packs and surround your victim til they lose the will to live.

Many members have given up posting here because of it. Which, I suppose, is what you're paid to do to shut us all up.

It might be worth people remembering that this forum is a place for the 'Anti's' and MF members and everyone else are just guests here, even those under instructions from Carter Ruck like Mike Gunnill.

The Pro's will be first out the door before the rest of us.


Jill,

Please could you delete my account.

I think I would be considered a pro here and I don't want to post amongst people who think I'm paid to post.

I'd also rather be somewhere that I'm considered a member, not a guest.

thank you.



I hope you stay vaguely,you always make me smile with your posts x
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Post by vaguely1 on 06.03.10 11:19

Thank you Bellatrix - I'll be here until I get deleted.....I have an inability to stay away from forums by choice.

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Post by justagrannynow 1 on 06.03.10 11:23

I was upset when I read this. Vaguely is someone who is able to debate sensibly, with humour. The forum wouldn't be the same without her. thumbsup
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Post by whoknowsthetruth on 06.03.10 12:04

The thing is both sets of groups hunt in packs, always have done, always will do. Maybe they do not hunt in packs delibertly, but in the good days of the 3 As board the Anti's certainly did hunt in packs and they still do on theMissing Madeleine board. It seems though away from that board there are not that many Anti's left on board, they do seem to be dwindling in size, maybe they have seen evidence that suggests that they were wrong, maybe they have got bored with it all.
maybe it seems the Pro's are hunting in packs because there are more Pro's than Anti's, if tjere are more then it looks like they are hunting. But surely to stifle debate is saying that Amaral was wrong because those that supported him went on about Free Speech and all that. Just my thoughts this is by the way.
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Post by Jill Havern on 06.03.10 12:46

When I referred to the Pro's disrupting the forums, I meant the hardened ones like Muratfan/Majic/ Crazytony/ Rosiepops/Nessling/Eddie who kept registering here under different usernames and causing problems by posting porn links and spamming the forum.

The majority of Pro's on this forum are welcome, but there are still those, like the ones who spammed this forum the other night with obscene allegations that I gave my mother AIDS and saying that's what she died of that, to my mind, give the regular Pro's a bad name. I don't have a problem with people believing the abduction scenario who want to express their point of view, but I do have a big problem with people coming here just to make this place uncomfortable for those who the forum was created for - the MF members and Anti's who were banned and had nowhere to debate.

I do not see Anti's doing anything remotely like that on Pro forums. I don't see bunches of Anti's invading Pro forums specifically to target one of two members like they do here with Tony and myself - mainly because they're too busy researching and discussing the files, which is what we should all be doing if we want to see justice for Maddie. Whereas hardened Pro's like Muratfan seem to spend their time stalking Anti's and causing all kinds of problems for them. Why do they do that? Do they not see that their behaviour reflects badly on the McCanns? I associate the McCanns, rightly or wrongly, with people like muratfan.

There are many Anti's left, actually, most of them on MM or MCF - where discussions about the Madeleine Foundation are not allowed, hence this forum. The anti's who do attack do it on their own forum, I've yet to see them invade Pro forums and spam it as this one was the other night.

This forum is unbalanced but I'm not going to let it be taken over and turned into a Pro forum. Those who are banned from here from now on won't be able to get back in because member registration is closed. I've had to take drastic action before and I'll keep doing it if necessary.
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