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Post by pingunootnoot on 10.06.12 18:45

I dont know if this article is anywhere in this forum or if it is in the wrong place. If so mods please remove to correct place.

http://m.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2009/mar/29/missing-child-ben-needham?cat=lifeandstyle&type=article


There is a bit of the article i found slightly odd so i copied and pasted it.


'In January 2008 Kerry was contacted by a television director, who was making a documentary about the McCanns. As Kerry remembers it, she was asked if she would like to meet Kate McCann; she said yes, as long as there were no cameras, no reporters, that they could meet as one bereft mother with another. But the meeting never took place. When I spoke to Clarence Mitchell in November 2008, he said that the film director hadn't asked Kerry if she wanted to meet Kate McCann, but whether she would appear in the documentary as the mother of a lost child. "Kate finds the idea of meeting a parent in that position quite daunting," he told me then.'

I am struggling to understand why meeting another mother who has been through the exact same thing would be daunting, i thought Kerry's ways of dealing with the abduction might have helped Kate aswel.

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Post by anil39200 on 10.06.12 18:57

Yes, very odd. Though it may tell us more about KM's mindset. Perhaps she does not feel any real affinity with a mother in 'that' situation, or indeed with an 'ordinary' person who actually has spent time physically searching for her child. Or, maybe Kerry simply was not a big enough 'celebrity'. More to the point, why does CM have to justify this and every kind of thing they do, like many of us could care about the activities of parents who leave their children alone to disappear.

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Post by Nina on 10.06.12 19:00

@pingunootnoot wrote:I dont know if this article is anywhere in this forum or if it is in the wrong place. If so mods please remove to correct place.

http://m.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2009/mar/29/missing-child-ben-needham?cat=lifeandstyle&type=article


There is a bit of the article i found slightly odd so i copied and pasted it.


'In January 2008 Kerry was contacted by a television director, who was making a documentary about the McCanns. As Kerry remembers it, she was asked if she would like to meet Kate McCann; she said yes, as long as there were no cameras, no reporters, that they could meet as one bereft mother with another. But the meeting never took place. When I spoke to Clarence Mitchell in November 2008, he said that the film director hadn't asked Kerry if she wanted to meet Kate McCann, but whether she would appear in the documentary as the mother of a lost child. "Kate finds the idea of meeting a parent in that position quite daunting," he told me then.'

I am struggling to understand why meeting another mother who has been through the exact same thing would be daunting, i thought Kerry's ways of dealing with the abduction might have helped Kate aswel.

Hello pingunootnoot, Kate wouldn't have had the empathy though, as imo she isn't the mother of an abducted child and she knows she isn't, so it would have been very difficult to hard face that meeting.

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Post by Guest on 10.06.12 19:07

Kate has met the parents of missing children / adults - just two occasions that spring to mind are last year at the House of Commons with other parents when she made the classic "left in the dark with no help" speech and she met the parents of Daniel Morcombe, an Australian boy who disappeared in 2003 (I think) and whose body was found within the last year.

So why she didn't want to meet Ben's mother I don't know.
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Post by pingunootnoot on 10.06.12 19:10

It seemed very easy meeting the Pope and going to several high profile meetings, yet she refused to meet another mother whose son was abducted. It is just another lie for the Mccanns. Thinking about it, it would have been hard to lie straight out to a mother whose suffering has not ended and probably won't end.

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Post by pingunootnoot on 10.06.12 19:12

Jean wrote:Kate has met the parents of missing children / adults - just two occasions that spring to mind are last year at the House of Commons with other parents when she made the classic "left in the dark with no help" speech and she met the parents of Daniel Morcombe, an Australian boy who disappeared in 2003 (I think) and whose body was found within the last year.

So why she didn't want to meet Ben's mother I don't know.

I wonder if it is because Ben disappeared under similar circumstances but the main difference is Kerry's anguish and pain is genuine whilst TM probably know what happened to Madeleine.

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Post by anil39200 on 10.06.12 19:24

@pingunootnoot wrote:
Jean wrote:Kate has met the parents of missing children / adults - just two occasions that spring to mind are last year at the House of Commons with other parents when she made the classic "left in the dark with no help" speech and she met the parents of Daniel Morcombe, an Australian boy who disappeared in 2003 (I think) and whose body was found within the last year.

So why she didn't want to meet Ben's mother I don't know.

I wonder if it is because Ben disappeared under similar circumstances but the main difference is Kerry's anguish and pain is genuine whilst TM probably know what happened to Madeleine.

That sounds pretty good imo as well. Actually being confronted by real pain when one is capable seemingly of turning on the waterworks and anguished expressions to order could be daunting ,I would imagine.

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Post by Hummingbird on 10.06.12 19:46

@anil39200 wrote:
@pingunootnoot wrote:
Jean wrote:Kate has met the parents of missing children / adults - just two occasions that spring to mind are last year at the House of Commons with other parents when she made the classic "left in the dark with no help" speech and she met the parents of Daniel Morcombe, an Australian boy who disappeared in 2003 (I think) and whose body was found within the last year.

So why she didn't want to meet Ben's mother I don't know.

I wonder if it is because Ben disappeared under similar circumstances but the main difference is Kerry's anguish and pain is genuine whilst TM probably know what happened to Madeleine.

That sounds pretty good imo as well. Actually being confronted by real pain when one is capable seemingly of turning on the waterworks and anguished expressions to order could be daunting ,I would imagine.

Or of course you are worried that a genuine person would 'see right through you'!

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Post by Ribisl on 10.06.12 20:12

@Hummingbird wrote:
@anil39200 wrote:
@pingunootnoot wrote:
Jean wrote:Kate has met the parents of missing children / adults - just two occasions that spring to mind are last year at the House of Commons with other parents when she made the classic "left in the dark with no help" speech and she met the parents of Daniel Morcombe, an Australian boy who disappeared in 2003 (I think) and whose body was found within the last year.

So why she didn't want to meet Ben's mother I don't know.

I wonder if it is because Ben disappeared under similar circumstances but the main difference is Kerry's anguish and pain is genuine whilst TM probably know what happened to Madeleine.

That sounds pretty good imo as well. Actually being confronted by real pain when one is capable seemingly of turning on the waterworks and anguished expressions to order could be daunting ,I would imagine.

Or of course you are worried that a genuine person would 'see right through you'!
Or Kerry simply isn't glamorous enough for her to be seen with. Also sharing the limelight isn't her thing, unless of course it's with real life celebrities.

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Re: Kate Mccann article in the Guardian

Post by pingunootnoot on 10.06.12 20:22

@Hummingbird wrote:
@anil39200 wrote:
@pingunootnoot wrote:
Jean wrote:Kate has met the parents of missing children / adults - just two occasions that spring to mind are last year at the House of Commons with other parents when she made the classic "left in the dark with no help" speech and she met the parents of Daniel Morcombe, an Australian boy who disappeared in 2003 (I think) and whose body was found within the last year.

So why she didn't want to meet Ben's mother I don't know.

I wonder if it is because Ben disappeared under similar circumstances but the main difference is Kerry's anguish and pain is genuine whilst TM probably know what happened to Madeleine.

That sounds pretty good imo as well. Actually being confronted by real pain when one is capable seemingly of turning on the waterworks and anguished expressions to order could be daunting ,I would imagine.

Or of course you are worried that a genuine person would 'see right through you'!
I completely agree with this. This is slightly off topic but I grew up near a woman called Winnie whose son was murdered Ian Brady/Myra Hindley and her son body was never found on the moors. As a young teenager anyone could see that her life was full of anguish and pain and in some ways she became slightly bitter that her son was never found. That is my main reasoning why i feel the Mccanns are guilty, they show no signs of true guilt or pain unlike Winnie.

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Post by rainbow-fairy on 10.06.12 21:06

@pingunootnoot wrote:
@Hummingbird wrote:
@anil39200 wrote:
@pingunootnoot wrote:
Jean wrote:Kate has met the parents of missing children / adults - just two occasions that spring to mind are last year at the House of Commons with other parents when she made the classic "left in the dark with no help" speech and she met the parents of Daniel Morcombe, an Australian boy who disappeared in 2003 (I think) and whose body was found within the last year.

So why she didn't want to meet Ben's mother I don't know.

I wonder if it is because Ben disappeared under similar circumstances but the main difference is Kerry's anguish and pain is genuine whilst TM probably know what happened to Madeleine.

That sounds pretty good imo as well. Actually being confronted by real pain when one is capable seemingly of turning on the waterworks and anguished expressions to order could be daunting ,I would imagine.

Or of course you are worried that a genuine person would 'see right through you'!
I completely agree with this. This is slightly off topic but I grew up near a woman called Winnie whose son was murdered Ian Brady/Myra Hindley and her son body was never found on the moors. As a young teenager anyone could see that her life was full of anguish and pain and in some ways she became slightly bitter that her son was never found. That is my main reasoning why i feel the Mccanns are guilty, they show no signs of true guilt or pain unlike Winnie.
You grew up near poor Winnie? Why can't that bastard Brady just let the woman die in peace, and tell her where Keith is? He sure as hell knows and remembers EXACTLY where they buried him. Poor woman.

Totally agree with all other comments, BTW

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Post by pingunootnoot on 10.06.12 21:13

@rainbow-fairy wrote:
@pingunootnoot wrote:
@Hummingbird wrote:
@anil39200 wrote:
@pingunootnoot wrote:
Jean wrote:Kate has met the parents of missing children / adults - just two occasions that spring to mind are last year at the House of Commons with other parents when she made the classic "left in the dark with no help" speech and she met the parents of Daniel Morcombe, an Australian boy who disappeared in 2003 (I think) and whose body was found within the last year.

So why she didn't want to meet Ben's mother I don't know.

I wonder if it is because Ben disappeared under similar circumstances but the main difference is Kerry's anguish and pain is genuine whilst TM probably know what happened to Madeleine.

That sounds pretty good imo as well. Actually being confronted by real pain when one is capable seemingly of turning on the waterworks and anguished expressions to order could be daunting ,I would imagine.

Or of course you are worried that a genuine person would 'see right through you'!
I completely agree with this. This is slightly off topic but I grew up near a woman called Winnie whose son was murdered Ian Brady/Myra Hindley and her son body was never found on the moors. As a young teenager anyone could see that her life was full of anguish and pain and in some ways she became slightly bitter that her son was never found. That is my main reasoning why i feel the Mccanns are guilty, they show no signs of true guilt or pain unlike Winnie.
You grew up near poor Winnie? Why can't that bastard Brady just let the woman die in peace, and tell her where Keith is? He sure as hell knows and remembers EXACTLY where they buried him. Poor woman.

Totally agree with all other comments, BTW
It was a good 8 years ago. Everytime my friends and I spoke to her, we could feel her sorrow, she honestly admitted that her relationship with her other children did suffer because she was never told where Keith was. She never had closure. Winnie is a victim where she tragically lost her child to the hands of murderer. Yet Kate lost her child to an 'abductor' yet I have never seen her shed real tear. RIP Keith.

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Post by Guest on 10.06.12 21:28

I always found it odd, that in all the interviews with family not one of them ever shed a tear, or even looked as if they might. I could be wrong but I think maybe GM's mom did in an interview.
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Post by rainbow-fairy on 10.06.12 21:30

@pingunootnoot wrote:
@rainbow-fairy wrote:
@pingunootnoot wrote:
@Hummingbird wrote:
@anil39200 wrote:
@pingunootnoot wrote:
Jean wrote:Kate has met the parents of missing children / adults - just two occasions that spring to mind are last year at the House of Commons with other parents when she made the classic "left in the dark with no help" speech and she met the parents of Daniel Morcombe, an Australian boy who disappeared in 2003 (I think) and whose body was found within the last year.

So why she didn't want to meet Ben's mother I don't know.

I wonder if it is because Ben disappeared under similar circumstances but the main difference is Kerry's anguish and pain is genuine whilst TM probably know what happened to Madeleine.

That sounds pretty good imo as well. Actually being confronted by real pain when one is capable seemingly of turning on the waterworks and anguished expressions to order could be daunting ,I would imagine.

Or of course you are worried that a genuine person would 'see right through you'!
I completely agree with this. This is slightly off topic but I grew up near a woman called Winnie whose son was murdered Ian Brady/Myra Hindley and her son body was never found on the moors. As a young teenager anyone could see that her life was full of anguish and pain and in some ways she became slightly bitter that her son was never found. That is my main reasoning why i feel the Mccanns are guilty, they show no signs of true guilt or pain unlike Winnie.
You grew up near poor Winnie? Why can't that bastard Brady just let the woman die in peace, and tell her where Keith is? He sure as hell knows and remembers EXACTLY where they buried him. Poor woman.

Totally agree with all other comments, BTW
It was a good 8 years ago. Everytime my friends and I spoke to her, we could feel her sorrow, she honestly admitted that her relationship with her other children did suffer because she was never told where Keith was. She never had closure. Winnie is a victim where she tragically lost her child to the hands of murderer. Yet Kate lost her child to an 'abductor' yet I have never seen her shed real tear. RIP Keith.
Totally agreed, Pingunootnoot Sad

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Post by Guest on 10.06.12 21:39

Candyfloss I think this clip of Eileen McCann has been posted before - it's from 17th May 2007 - but it's worth seeing again. What was it that uplifted the family spirits apart from some unspecified help from Gerry's boss? The fund getting underway, that's what!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ML-gTcKDKrM
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Post by pingunootnoot on 10.06.12 21:40

candyfloss wrote:I always found it odd, that in all the interviews with family not one of them ever shed a tear, or even looked as if they might. I could be wrong but I think maybe GM's mom did in an interview.
I am sure i read somewhere that in TM defence, in their profession they have to be detached from emotive situations. Yet this isn't a justification for actually not showing any outward emotions. As a parent myself, the thought of my daughter coming to any harm brings a tear to my eye.
Also i think in the pj files, there were accounts of crying but no actual tears were seen.

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Post by Guest on 10.06.12 21:48

Jean wrote:Candyfloss I think this clip of Eileen McCann has been posted before - it's from 17th May 2007 - but it's worth seeing again. What was it that uplifted the family spirits apart from some unspecified help from Gerry's boss? The fund getting underway, that's what!

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ML-gTcKDKrM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ML-gTcKDKrM[/quote[/url]]

Thanks Jean. Oh gosh, I have seen that before, but forgotten it. Feeling uplifted and brighter by the fund! And that was the good news
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Post by tigger on 10.06.12 21:49

Jean wrote:Candyfloss I think this clip of Eileen McCann has been posted before - it's from 17th May 2007 - but it's worth seeing again. What was it that uplifted the family spirits apart from some unspecified help from Gerry's boss? The fund getting underway, that's what!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ML-gTcKDKrM

I believe there was a collection box for the McCanns in the hospital from almost day 1. Collection about 10.000.
The McCanns also put collection boxes all round the OC without permission - the staff were less than pleased about it according to Portuguese press.

Curiously, on being asked about the Fund in the early days, Gerry said it wouldn't be used to search for Madeleine until the police stopped looking. So why the hurry?



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Post by Hummingbird on 10.06.12 21:50

candyfloss wrote:I always found it odd, that in all the interviews with family not one of them ever shed a tear, or even looked as if they might. I could be wrong but I think maybe GM's mom did in an interview.

This is what I have always thought, every person I have ever seen on tv or pictures of them in newspapers, have a 'haunted look' a look that is deeply etched into their faces, a look of stress, distress, fear, loss, grief - and I could go on. and this look stays with them for ever. I have never seen this look, not ever, not once in the faces of the McCanns or any of their family or friends.

Now you could say that perhaps GM & KM are just 'cold' and are able to not show their distress in public (I don't believe this though) BUT you would think that at least someone in the family would act in that distressed way, the way we are used to bereaved parents, grandparents behaving.

There are times when I see parents being interviewed after the 'loss' of their child through dreadful circumstances and I cry and cry with them, I feel their loss, I think about my own children and I 'feel' for them - NOT once have I felt like this watching any interview with the McCanns not even their first ones where they should have been displaying the 'classic symptoms' This is why I felt uncomfortable with them, any parent would know that IF your child had been abducted you would be beside yourself - I would not be able to function - let alone put my two remaining children in a creche the next day, jog, go to the hairdressers, have numerous interviews on tv, write a blog, write a diary, set up a fund, wave to the crowds on my daughters birthday and so on and so on!!

All very very sad.

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Post by pingunootnoot on 10.06.12 21:53

@tigger wrote:
Jean wrote:Candyfloss I think this clip of Eileen McCann has been posted before - it's from 17th May 2007 - but it's worth seeing again. What was it that uplifted the family spirits apart from some unspecified help from Gerry's boss? The fund getting underway, that's what!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ML-gTcKDKrM

I believe there was a collection box for the McCanns in the hospital from almost day 1. Collection about 10.000.
The McCanns also put collection boxes all round the OC without permission - the staff were less than pleased about it according to Portuguese press.

Curiously, on being asked about the Fund in the early days, Gerry said it wouldn't be used to search for Madeleine until the police stopped looking. So why the hurry?


Good question. I have been trying to search for the video where Gerry states a few days after Madeleine disppeared to 'keep the money coming in' Surely money would be the last objective on anyone's mind!

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Post by Miraflores on 10.06.12 23:40

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This is why I felt uncomfortable with them, any parent would know that
IF your child had been abducted you would be beside yourself - I would
not be able to function - let alone put my two remaining children in a
creche the next day, jog, go to the hairdressers, have numerous
interviews on tv, write a blog, write a diary, set up a fund, wave to
the crowds on my daughters birthday and so on and so on!!

But of course Kate did say that she was completely non functioning. This was the reason she gave to Jane Hill of the BBC for not going out searching for Madeleine. But no, putting your two other children back in the creche when your daughter has supposedly been abducted, and you don't know who by, and it could have been one of the OC staff; it doesn't add up to me either.
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Post by frank zappa on 11.06.12 2:37

[quote="Jean"]Candyfloss I think this clip of Eileen McCann has been posted before - it's from 17th May 2007 - but it's worth seeing again. What was it that uplifted the family spirits apart from some unspecified help from Gerry's boss? The fund getting underway, that's what!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ML-gTcKDKrM[/quote
First time I have seen this vid and I am at odds with myself, Maddies uncle BK, all chatty and smiling. WTF?

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Post by Ribisl on 11.06.12 7:01

@tigger wrote:
Curiously, on being asked about the Fund in the early days, Gerry said it wouldn't be used to search for Madeleine until the police stopped looking. So why the hurry?

Bian Kennedy says later in the same clip the fund is going to be used mainly for legal expenditure. Upmost in Gerry's mind was how to pay some decent lawyers to get them out of the pickle. He also says they never made an appeal, just set up the mechanism for people to be able to contribute. 'Appeal' started I suppose when they realised the potential income they could earn from it later on nah

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Post by tigger on 11.06.12 7:31

@Ribisl wrote:
@tigger wrote:
Curiously, on being asked about the Fund in the early days, Gerry said it wouldn't be used to search for Madeleine until the police stopped looking. So why the hurry?

Bian Kennedy says later in the same clip the fund is going to be used mainly for legal expenditure. Upmost in Gerry's mind was how to pay some decent lawyers to get them out of the pickle. He also says they never made an appeal, just set up the mechanism for people to be able to contribute. 'Appeal' started I suppose when they realised the potential income they could earn from it later on nah

When would the police stop looking? How would Gerry know that the police would stop looking? Ever?
Not quite on topic, the first book they were going to write jointly (what a literary feast that would have been!) was about their year of pain and misery. Announced in April 2008 - what with film rights being discussed in January that year, 7 months after Maddie disappeared! - perhaps we shouldn't complain. We've been spared a book about the two and probably a film which would have been mainly about the two as well. Instead we got the full autobiography and that would have been the main part of the film, closing credits and the couple sitting on Rocha Negra staring out over the ocean?

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Post by sami on 11.06.12 9:02

I have often wondered if the SY review put paid to their film plans. I have no doubt whatsoever we would have been subjected to such torture, that the plans for a movie were there, until very recently.

The publicity surrounding the latest book was very low key, hardly mentioned in the blast of sofa interviews inflicted upon us back in May. I wonder why that was. Not at all the style we are used to. The only reason I can think of is that with the review they cannot justify the claim they require the funds to continue their pretend search. So the book was released as it was already in print but not so much begging for it to be bought and the movie plans shelved again, for the time being at least.

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