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Post by Gillyspot on 19.05.12 12:42

Remember Gerry wore a T shirt with Madeleine's photo on it whilst visiting the church to mark 100 days. IMO shows a distinct lack of respect for the catholic church & particularly the one in PDL. Then went on a royal walkabout to clapping crouds if this is anything to go on.

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Post by Guest on 19.05.12 12:57

This one with Fr Hubbard, still find it odd that she would go to anglican service..........



Madeleine's mother turns to the church for comfort and strength

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By Richard Edwards and Fiona Govan in Praia da Luz

12:01AM BST 11 May 2007

For seven days she has prayed for the ordeal to end. Yesterday Kate McCann, the mother of missing Madeleine, sought solace in church again.

Her Roman Catholic faith has given her strength, but the pain she is suffering in the face of the unknown is now visible in each step she takes


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1551268/Madeleines-mother-turns-to-the-church-for-comfort-and-strength.html
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Post by tigger on 19.05.12 13:02

candyfloss wrote:This one with Fr Hubbard, still find it odd that she would go to anglican service..........



Madeleine's mother turns to the church for comfort and strength

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By Richard Edwards and Fiona Govan in Praia da Luz

12:01AM BST 11 May 2007

For seven days she has prayed for the ordeal to end. Yesterday Kate McCann, the mother of missing Madeleine, sought solace in church again.

Her Roman Catholic faith has given her strength, but the pain she is suffering in the face of the unknown is now visible in each step she takes


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1551268/Madeleines-mother-turns-to-the-church-for-comfort-and-strength.html

That is the same mother who said Kate wasn't all that religious?

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Post by Miraflores on 19.05.12 13:09

This one with Fr Hubbard, still find it odd that she would go to anglican service..........

No, this doesn't add up for me either. My husband's family has loads of Catholic relatives in the North -West, and going to an Anglican Church just wouldn't happen - it's not Church in their eyes. In that they are very typical of Catholics in the region.The McCanns proudly display their Liverpool/Glasgow credentials - both
of which were areas well known, in the past at least, for sectarianism.

(Now where I live, in S-E England a lot of the Catholics are more into ecumenism and might just grace the doors of a non-catholic Church.)
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Post by monkey mind on 19.05.12 14:05

@jd wrote:The priest that is most interesting is Father David Heal (together with multi millionaire John Geraghty). He visited kate for 3 hours which I believe was between 4am and 7am, seems to be behind the church keys being given to the mccanns. Russell O'Brien has Father David Heal's mobile number on his phone, which according to O'Brien he was given it on the morning of the 4th.

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What makes you think that Father David Heal visited the McCanns between 4am and 7am on the morning of the 4th? This could be rather important and I’ll explain why.

Interestingly, in the Textusa article which you linked to, they seem to conclude that he and his wife visited even earlier, late on the 3rd to early hours on the 4th. But in that article it also says the following....

“Russell O’Brian, in his rogatory interview, refers to David Priest -a comma between the words is required- and explains why David’s number, beginning 914, is on his mobile phone, immediately after that of Robert Murat.”

Now according to the Tapas bunch they didn’t know Murat (we don’t know if this is so for GM as he declined to comment when asked this question), and Murat himself denies being anywhere near the OC on the night of the 3rd. In fact according to him he only appeard on the scene on the 4th (not sure what time off the top of my head) when he offers to interpret for the police.

So the question is, if the priest David Heal visits the McCanns on the night of the 3rd or early hours of the 4th, how does his phone number appear on O’Brien’s phone AFTER Murat’s???
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Post by monkey mind on 19.05.12 14:15

And in the same Textusa article they quote from an article in First Magazine held on Pamalam’s site....

“The night Madeleine disappeared, Kate and Gerry telephoned the local Anglican priest, Father David Heal, asking him to visit them at their apartment…..When he arrived with his wife, 38 year old Kate threw herself into the priest’s arms as she broke down. It took him 3 hours to comfort Kate.”

So again, how did this priests phone number appear in O’Brien’s phone directory AFTER Murat’s???
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Post by Hummingbird on 19.05.12 14:20

@monkey mind wrote:
@jd wrote:The priest that is most interesting is Father David Heal (together with multi millionaire John Geraghty). He visited kate for 3 hours which I believe was between 4am and 7am, seems to be behind the church keys being given to the mccanns. Russell O'Brien has Father David Heal's mobile number on his phone, which according to O'Brien he was given it on the morning of the 4th.

JD,
What makes you think that Father David Heal visited the McCanns between 4am and 7am on the morning of the 4th? This could be rather important and I’ll explain why.

Interestingly, in the Textusa article which you linked to, they seem to conclude that he and his wife visited even earlier, late on the 3rd to early hours on the 4th. But in that article it also says the following....

“Russell O’Brian, in his rogatory interview, refers to David Priest -a comma between the words is required- and explains why David’s number, beginning 914, is on his mobile phone, immediately after that of Robert Murat.”

Now according to the Tapas bunch they didn’t know Murat (we don’t know if this is so for GM as he declined to comment when asked this question), and Murat himself denies being anywhere near the OC on the night of the 3rd. In fact according to him he only appeard on the scene on the 4th (not sure what time off the top of my head) when he offers to interpret for the police.

So the question is, if the priest David Heal visits the McCanns on the night of the 3rd or early hours of the 4th, how does his phone number appear on O’Brien’s phone AFTER Murat’s???

Hmmm - interesting question. I am not big on mobile phones but I know my names & numbers are done alphabetically, do some phones list the numbers and names as they are added? Or is it showing the last two number he actually rang (just checked my phone and that it how numbers if have called come up) - that would be even more interesting!

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Post by Newintown on 19.05.12 14:25

Tigger said -

If Kate was so religious she would not have allowed filming in church, she would wear suitable clothing (no bare arms, low cut tops etc.) . She even wanted to organise a 'world-wide prayer band' or something, by phoning I think Jon Corner in the middle of the night and one headline read soon after that she was being persecuted because of her religion. Well played Kate!

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I was brought up in quite a strict Catholic family. If Kate knew anything about the Catholic religion she would know that females should always wear a head covering, scarf etc. and have your arms covered. The Portugese and Spanish are very strict Catholics and to many I would imagine it would be an insult not to in the church.

I went on a tour of Spain some years ago and women with no head coverings or arms covered were not allowed into some of the religious sites by the tour guide. Perhaps things have got a bit more tolerant since then but Kate should have still abided by the church's guidelines just out of respect.

I know Kate wore a scarf at her audience with the Pope (or should that be the other way round) but I expect she was told what to wear by the person who organised the visit as they would have been advised by the Vatican about protocol.
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Post by tigger on 19.05.12 17:34

@Newintown wrote:Tigger said -

If Kate was so religious she would not have allowed filming in church, she would wear suitable clothing (no bare arms, low cut tops etc.) . She even wanted to organise a 'world-wide prayer band' or something, by phoning I think Jon Corner in the middle of the night and one headline read soon after that she was being persecuted because of her religion. Well played Kate!

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I was brought up in quite a strict Catholic family. If Kate knew anything about the Catholic religion she would know that females should always wear a head covering, scarf etc. and have your arms covered. The Portugese and Spanish are very strict Catholics and to many I would imagine it would be an insult not to in the church.

I went on a tour of Spain some years ago and women with no head coverings or arms covered were not allowed into some of the religious sites by the tour guide. Perhaps things have got a bit more tolerant since then but Kate should have still abided by the church's guidelines just out of respect.

I know Kate wore a scarf at her audience with the Pope (or should that be the other way round) but I expect she was told what to wear by the person who organised the visit as they would have been advised by the Vatican about protocol.

I don't think she did, she had a ponytail tied with yellow and green ribbons. She also said a butterfly landed on her head or some such nonsense. I've seen the Pope clips from all sides - no butterfly - also no scarf.

I'm not a Catholic and wouldn't dream of entering a Catholic church in unsuitable clothing anywhere. It's disrespectful.The whole religion angle was another vote winner imo. The Pope audience gave them tremendous credibility. A catholic friend of mine used it as an argument when I gave her some true facts - 'but they've had an audience with the Pope!' she said scandalised, 'they must be innocent!' I rest my case.

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Post by sami on 19.05.12 18:05

I was raised in a Catholic family and to this day I would not dream of entering a church in a strappy top, in the fashion of Kate's photographs. Even visiting church's while on holiday, I would always have something to cover up if going inside, shorts would never be worn either.

Kate called for a priest to be present the night Madeleine disappeared. This is extremely strange. She quite obviously knew enough priests to be able to contact them by phone and ask them to pray for Madeleine's safe return. This would be sufficient.

Where I live, if I were to ask after somebody who was very ill, an elderly person for example, the response could often be "they have called the priest". No need to say anymore, the person is expected to die and very soon. It is an expression used very regularly here and perhaps just a nicer way of saying oh they are dying. But once the priest is called for, you know it is near the end. Indeed, you would almost consider it bad luck to contact a priest and ask him to come ! He may drop by out of courtesy or you would of course ask him to remember somebody in his prayers, but asking him to call unless you feared the worst does not happen very often, if at all.

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Post by Guest on 19.05.12 18:55

I will put this here and also in the Haynes Hubbard Video thread so it can be found easily. It seems he is on the move.......



#McCann : Rev. Haynes Hubbard - Times Of Transition.
Times of Transition

The Pastoral Unit comprising Christ Church, Gananoque and Church of the Redeemer Rockport are awaiting the arrival of their new Incumbent, Rev. Christine Downey who will relocate with her husband Benjamin from the Diocese of Huron and begin her ministry with them on May 1st. Also, the people of St. Mark’s, Barriefield will welcome their new Incumbent, Rev. Haynes Hubbard, his wife Susan and family who will relocate from the Anglican Chaplaincy in the Algarve, Portugal on July 1st. Please continue to hold these parishes, clergy and families in your prayers as they continue through this time of transition.

I have heard Susan is already in Canada.


http://www.ontario.anglican.ca/joomla/index.php?option=com_k2&view=latest&layout=latest&Itemid=361


Bizarre, there is something flesh crawling about this entire case.


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Eddie and Keela alerted to items and places concerned with the McCanns - and importantly to no other items or places.

According to Eddie and Keela, the body of Madeleine McCann lay lifeless behind the sofa in Apartment 5a, clinging to the only thing from which she could derive any comfort; a soft toy called 'Cuddle cat'.

Kate's book 'madeleine', Page 219: "Did they really believe that a dog could smell the 'odour of death' three months later from a body that had been so swiftly removed?"

After forensic analysis of the 'Last Photo' there is little doubt now that the pool photo CANNOT POSSIBLY have been taken on the Thursday 3rd May, but most likely on the Sunday 29th April. So, where was Madeleine at lunchtime on Thursday?

John McCann: "This was terrible for them, Kate dressed Amelie in her sister's pyjamas and the baby said: "Maddy's jammies, where is Maddy?"
Martin Roberts: "If Madeleine's pyjamas had not, in fact, been abducted then neither had Madeleine McCann."
Dr Martin Roberts: A Nightwear Job
Death Toll in McCann Case

Gerry McCann called for an example to be made of 'trolls'. SKY reporter Martin Brunt doorstepped Brenda Leyland on 2 October 2014 after a 'Dossier' was handed in to Police by McCann supporters. She was then found dead in a Leicester hotel room the next day. Brenda paid the price.

Ex-Deputy Chief Constable, Jim Gamble QPM congratulated SKY reporter Martin Brunt for doorstepping Brenda Leyland.
A Risky Gamble

Colin Sahlke died suddenly in mysterious circumstances with a significant amount of morphine in his system. At the Inquest the coroner said there was no evidence as to how he had come to take morphine, and no needle mark was found. Gerry McCann had met Sahlke before he helped with the search but did not show any concern for his death. Link

Snr Gonçalo Amaral's cousin, Ricardo Cunha, shot dead in London Sept 2010. Murder still unsolved. Link

Bloodied body of Kevin Halligen, who conned Maddie Fund of £583,00, is found dead at his Surrey mansion. Daily Mail

Ex-Met DCI Colin Sutton: "The most likely scenario is that Madeleine was stolen to order by slave traders and smuggled into Africa for a rich family who wanted a white child."

Ex-Chief Inspector, Ian Horrocks: "The thought that Kate & Gerry McCann had anything to do with the death of their daughter is preposterous."

Ex-Met DCI Andy Redwood had a "revelation moment" on BBC1's Crimewatch on 14th October 2013 when he announced that Operation Grange had eliminated the Tanner sighting - which opened up the 'window' of opportunity' from 3 minutes to 45 minutes, in accordance with their remit, to allow the staged abduction to happen.

Assistant Commissioner Mark Rowley made public on national TV that Operation Grange is a complete fraud.
Pat Brown, Criminal Profiler

More than £11million spent so far on one family.

£5million shared between 158 families of Grenfell.


The 'Sun Online' journalist, Tracey Kandohla: "A McCann pal told The Sun Online: "Some of the savings have been siphoned off from the Find Maddie Fund into a fixed asset account, which financial experts have advised them to do. It can be used for purchases like buying a house, or building equipment."

Prime suspect, Kate McCann, Ambassador for Missing People: Is this the same mum who hired criminals Francisco Marco, Marcos Aragão Correia, Antonio Giminez Raso, Julian Peribanez, Kevin Halligen, and ex-MI5 agent Henri Exton, then got Operation Grange set up and yet still didn't find Madeleine? The search for Maddie


Prime Minister Theresa May introduces Prime Suspect (and Ambassador for Missing People) Kate McCann to Royalty (Patron for Missing People): Birgitte, The Duchess of Gloucester.

The McCanns, Operation Grange and the BBC are all working towards one goal - to make us keep looking at what happened (or didn't happen) on 3rd May instead of looking at what happened days earlier

Lord Bernard Hogan-Howe QPM, retired Met Commissioner: "There will be a point at which we and the Government will want to make a decision about what the likely outcome is."

Cressida Dick, CBE, QPM, Met Commissioner: "We'll see where the case goes."



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