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Rebekah Brooks charged with perverting the course of justice

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Post by aiyoyo on 16.05.12 2:42

candyfloss wrote:Looked for front pages of tomorrows papers at Sky, it has 8 of 8 and no picture of Sun front page, surprise surprise.

According to Nick Sutton this is tomorrows front page of the Sun...................

Nick Sutton‏@suttonnick

Wednesday's Sun front page - "Beauty banged up for bunk-up in back of Dubai cab" #tomorrowspaperstoday http://twitpic.com/9lh94c




Oh dear, where is the RB story?? big grin

Ironically the Sun missed out on the biggest scoop of the year. It's a case of not airing their own dirty linen!
Which is a shame because the Sun should rise above that, and be impartial to their readers, after all Brooks was but a CEO, nothing to do with the objective of the Papers to provide its readers with current up to date news that matters.

RB used her readers interest as excuse for everything she did, including her threat to the PM regarding the mccanns review she puts it down to the interest of her readers. Since there is no survey or evidence to support her statement, except on her say so, we can safely assume that readers of her bum and tits paper only bought it for the Page 3 pin up. So long as the page 3 tits pin up tradition is included today and every day her readers obviously don't give two monkeys even though Brooks is charged, Are they going to picket to support her as a return favour? err....?

Her readers will be celebrating with the nation when those involved in criminality, corruption, and perversion of justice are banged up.






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Re: Rebekah Brooks charged with perverting the course of justice

Post by aiyoyo on 16.05.12 2:50

@Woofer wrote:
@aiyoyo wrote:
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@justme3 wrote:Should we be discussing RB, now that there's a trial pending? I would hate to jeopardise it. I would like to see all references to RB taken off the forum, until after the trial. But of course, that's just my opinion!



I note the Brooks have already stated that in view of all that`s been written about them, how can there be a fair conclusion (or words to that affect). Maybe this will be their `get out` defence. But there is really no way, in a democracy, that people are going to stop commenting on it, or there shouldn`t be. Next thing we`ll hear is that all the journos that have written stuff about her are being sued - quite possible considering the money behind them. All merely in my opinion.

Its going to be a very brave person indeed that will give evidence against them IMO - RB is likely to have dirt on everyone - was that not her career, her ticket to the top and future protection ? Only asking.

No surprise there that typically they used the extensive coverage of Leveson Inquiry and Press and media reporting as excuses to try and get out citing biased disadvantage? Considering the magnitude and scale of the hacking, involving thousands of victims, the sheer nr. of police working on the case is justified. Yet Mr Brooks saw fit to use that as excuse and called it a witch hunt. Does it not remind you of someone saying the same about PJ when they were made suspect?

Considering Brooks' might and power at controlling politicians at the very top, the very reason that brought about the Inquiry, it is to be expected that even the prosecutors can foresee they will use every and any excuse they can to get out.


Yes, that jumped out at me - they think they`re being clever, typical wordy manipulation of actual facts that red tops use. But I suppose the Sun readers will lap it up.

Notice they are playing on the witch hunt theme, which IMO was planned with the Salem witch trial symbolism at the LI.

If Mr Brook is not careful he might find himself sued by the Police for libel, or worst given more charges by the CPS for being contemptuous over the severity of the matter.

Their legal battle has just started. They might have to resort to borrowing the plastic mouth from Mccanns. Except the problem is which paper is going allow pinky to spin for RB? Pinky's platform used to be the NI and its titles.


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Post by aiyoyo on 16.05.12 4:05

Rebekah Brooks and millionaire husband Charlie held at their Chipping Norton home, which was being searched by officers


Charlie Brooks and his wife were arrested in dawn raids yesterday by police

The dramatic new police action is hugely embarrassing for the Prime Minister, who was flying to the United States for an official visit

Mr Murdoch is currently in New York where he attended the funeral of Sunday Times reporter Marie Colvin who was shot dead in Syria last month. He is expected to visit Britain later this week.

Downing Street spokesman said: ‘The Prime Minister is travelling to Washington. It is an operational matter for the police. You wouldn’t expect him to comment on it.’

Chris Bryant, the Labour MP who was a victim of phone hacking, tweeted: ‘Cameron flees the country as his mates are arrested.’

The couple may be questioned about a bag containing a laptop computer, phone and paperwork found in a bin in an underground car park near their £1.5million Chelsea Harbour apartment last July – the day after Mrs Brooks was arrested.

HORSEGATE: DAVID CAMERON, REBEKAH BROOKS AND THE RETIRED POLICE HORSE

Riding Raisa: With apologies to the PM, the Mail has used computer technology to imagine how he might have looked riding Rebekah Brook's horse.

The extent of David Cameron’s close relationship with Rebekah Brooks was exposed when it emerged he had ‘ridden’ a retired police horse lent to her by Scotland Yard.

The Prime Minister was forced to concede that ex-police horse Raisa was among those he used while out with Mrs Brooks’s husband Charlie, an Eton schoolfriend.

After initially trying to laugh off the affair, Mr Cameron admitted that he did go riding with Mr Brooks.

The 24-year-old retired Metropolitan Police horse was lent to Mrs Brooks between 2008 and 2010.

The Prime Minister described Rebekah’s husband as a ‘good friend’ and ‘neighbour’ whom he had known for over 30 years.

The items were handed to police by a security guard after Mr Brooks is understood to have tried to reclaim them but could not prove the property belonged to him.

At the time Mr Brooks’s spokesman denied the bag belonged to Mrs Brooks, saying: ‘Charlie has a bag which contains a laptop and papers which were private to him.’

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Andy Coulson sent Christmas hamper to Scotland Yard press office, Leveson Inquiry hears.

Court documents released last month allege a cover-up of phone-hacking at the now-defunct News of the World with bosses creating a policy of deleting emails which could be used against it in court. The papers, filed in the High Court, said the policy’s aim was ‘to eliminate in a consistent manner’ emails that ‘could be unhelpful in the context of future litigation in which a News International company is a defendant’

The number of people arrested in Operation Weeting, which has been running since last January when police reopened investigations, stands at 21. Two other linked investigations – Operation Elveden into corrupt payments to police and Operation Tuleta into computer hacking – have resulted in 26 arrests.

Labour last night called for the Leveson inquiry into press standards to include Mr Cameron’s links with Rebekah and Charlie Brooks.


]The racehorse trainer, who has dabbled in sports marketing, once ran a mail-order sex-toy company and hit the headlines after sending sex aid brochures to parents at Prince Charles’s old school, Cheam Hawtreys, entitled A Little Something For The Weekend.

A number of addresses connected to the arrests are being searched.'


p.s. Hope Admin or Mod post up the pic of Cameron holding onto bag while riding on Raisa. That is a hilarious pic that made my day!
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Post by Ribisl on 16.05.12 5:46



Chris Bryant accused the PM of "riding two horses at the same time"; Cameron wanted more deregulation. "We need to ride that horse as fast as we can!" he said, by now confident that the problem was over.

Nick Smith, a Labour MP, accused Cameron of "jockeying for position", and Cameron told him to "slip on his nosebag", whatever that might mean.

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Post by Ribisl on 16.05.12 5:58

Horsegate: Questions about whether Rebekah Brooks, not Charlie, is David Cameron's real friend

“Let me shed some light on it. I have known Charlie Brooks, the husband of Rebekah Brooks for over 30 years, and he is a good friend. Before the election I did go riding with him. He has a number of different horses and yes one of them was this former police horse Raisa, which I did ride.”



With these comments, made at a Brussels press conference on March 2, David Cameron attempted to draw a line under the “horsegate” controversy.

After days of questioning from The Daily Telegraph, the Prime Minister had been forced to admit that he had ridden a horse loaned to Mr Brooks’ wife, the ex-tabloid editor Rebekah Brooks, by the Metropolitan police.

Crucially, however, Mr Cameron had not admitted to the more damaging assertion that he had been riding with Mrs Brooks, as had been alleged by former News of the World features editor Paul McMullan.

Questions are now being asked about the depth of Mr Cameron’s friendship with Mr Brooks because, from reports over recent years, Mr Brooks has made little mention of his friendship with the future Prime Minister.

A November 2009 article for GQ magazine, headlined “The Eton factor”, focused on Mr Brooks’ friendship with Mr Cameron’s lawyer brother Alex, now 48.

Mr Brooks wrote: “Alex Cameron QC is the star of our pack. I thought he’d do well in politics but it was to the bar that he went. He was so young when he took silk, he practically still had his milk teeth.”

The short article praised other Eton luminaries, such as clothing catalogue millionaire Johnnie Boden, Tory MP Rory Stewart and London mayor Boris Johnson, only adding Mr Cameron's name - "Dave" - as an afterthought.

Mr Brooks referred to Mr Cameron’s prowess at tennis and cricket – but not riding on horseback.

“Then there’s Alex Cameron’s younger brother Dave,” he said. “Of him, we’ll be hearing plenty. If you’ve never seen him in action on a tennis court or cricket pitch, I can assure you of one thing. He’s a competitive old blue.”

Mr Brooks’ distant mention of Mr Cameron, 45, is understandable given the two men are three years apart in age, a distance which makes a huge difference in the rigid social structure of a public school like Eton.

Further speculation that he was closer to Rebekah than Charlie was fuelled when she was a guest at Mr Cameron’s 40th birthday in October 2006 and – by all accounts – Mr Brooks was not.

Mr Cameron is also reported to have signed letters and cards to Mrs Brooks “love David”, which again suggests a close relationship.
And as is now well known, the Camerons and Brookses were members of the close-knit Chipping Norton set – named after the area where they live – and shared Christmas dinners together, even after Mr Cameron had entered Downing Street.

The suspicion now is that Mr Cameron was trying to exaggerate his friendship with Charlie Brooks to disguise the one that really matters – and could do him serious, lasting political damage – with Rebekah Brooks.

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Post by HiDeHo on 17.05.12 3:58

Rebekah Brooks: Charges are an "expensive sideshow" May 16th 2012

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Post by PeterMac on 17.05.12 6:24

Couldn't resist this one, with acknowledgements to Blacksmith.

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Post by tigger on 17.05.12 6:46

@PeterMac wrote:Couldn't resist this one, with acknowledgements to Blacksmith.

Are you going to frame it?

I read last month that Mme Brooks is in the process of adopting a child - would this child be a timely ordered 'get out of jail free' card?

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Post by aiyoyo on 17.05.12 7:28

Further speculation that he was closer to Rebekah than Charlie was fuelled when she was a guest at Mr Cameron’s 40th birthday in October 2006 and – by all accounts – Mr Brooks was not.

Mr Cameron is also reported to have signed letters and cards to Mrs Brooks “love David”, which again suggests a close relationship.
And as is now well known, the Camerons and Brookses were members of the close-knit Chipping Norton set – named after the area where they live – and shared Christmas dinners together, even after Mr Cameron had entered Downing Street.

The suspicion now is that Mr Cameron was trying to exaggerate his friendship with Charlie Brooks to disguise the one that really matters – and could do him serious, lasting political damage – with Rebekah Brooks.

Tried as he (DC) might to hide his friendship with Rebekah Brooks, and exaggerate his friendship with Charlie Brooks, it is just spin and no one, least of all Leveson, will not be fooled by it.

At most Charlie Brooks and David Cameron are alumni from Eton who knew of each other during their school days but they dont socialize or rub shoulders in same social circle; at least not until Rebekah Brooks became close friend with David Cameron that Mr Brooks is re-introduced into the picture.

Anyhow LI is not an inquiry into people's friendship. It is an inquiry into prevalent corruption involving Politician, Media Tycoon, and Police.
It is about a corruptible PM who took luxurious freebies from a agenda-led media tycoon who then backed him into office.
It is about the media tycoon's subordinate collecting their dues for the Paper by controlling the PM, and the PM allowing himself to be led by the nose like a puppet without regard for national interest.

Charlie Brooks' statement says it all - his statement proves he knew that RB is the key suspect that matters the most in this whole sorry saga.
At the end of the day, RB was CEO of NI, and the buck stops at her.

No one knows the extent of RB relationship with DC - did it go beyond close? There may be more than meet the eyes.
I suspect the whistleblower who told the papers (and Leveson) about his trademark signature knows the true and there's a secret kept under wrap.

Info in the public domain is that RB and DC met about once every three months. You would have to ask would two new friends who meet very occasionally in that manner signed off their text or email messages "love, David" or "LOL" (thinking it means "lots of love")
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RB's confident promise to mccanns by her "Is that all!" comment, and her ability to subsequently persuade the PM to give them a review within 24 hours, all suggest she has certain stronghold power over the PM that went beyond friendship.




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Post by aiyoyo on 17.05.12 7:50

@tigger wrote:
@PeterMac wrote:Couldn't resist this one, with acknowledgements to Blacksmith.

Are you going to frame it?

I read last month that Mme Brooks is in the process of adopting a child - would this child be a timely ordered 'get out of jail free' card?


Extract from the Guardian
Earlier this year, Mr and Mrs Brooks became parents after their first child – a daughter named Scarlett Anne Mary Brooks – was born via a surrogate.
The surrogate, who declined to be identified, had been carrying twins but one of the babies died during the early stages of the pregnancy.
The pair were said to be "overjoyed" after trying to start a family for more than five years.

Whatever "get out of jail free pass" she planned is going to be useless if the Judge ignores it.

If she is indisposed so to speak, there is still her hubby who can look after their daughter. Besides with their combined wealth they can easily afford nannies. At worst, she can ask kate, the mate she got along with, to look after Scarlett for her. I do feel sorry for the baby - what a name!

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Post by aiyoyo on 17.05.12 10:24


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I read Kingsley Napley is RB's lawyer. The above is the A-Z list of services they provide.
I wonder which category would RB's crime of perverting the course of justice in relation to Hacking comes under.
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Post by pauline on 17.05.12 11:31

Kingsley Napley are also one of the (many) legal firms that act for the McCanns. Exactly what advice they provided for the McCanns one can only speculate.
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Post by PeterMac on 17.05.12 13:26

I feel fairly sure that I remember it was for the extradition.

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Post by jozi on 17.05.12 14:00

Hi clapping
IMO,
I think Cameron has played a blinder ( he did say he was going to clean up politics ) didn't he ?

He had to get close to R B and Murdoch to expose all the dodgy dealings which have been going on for years and years, not just by him !!!
Now being exposed before our very eyes all the murky details how our Government was being run !!!

Three Prime-ministers two Labor and one Conservative, and who is about to bring the house of Murdoch down?
So for now I'm not going to bash Cameron until the whole sorry state has been exposed !


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Post by aiyoyo on 18.05.12 2:19

@jozi wrote:Hi clapping
IMO,
I think Cameron has played a blinder ( he did say he was going to clean up politics ) didn't he ?

He had to get close to R B and Murdoch to expose all the dodgy dealings which have been going on for years and years, not just by him !!!
Now being exposed before our very eyes all the murky details how our Government was being run !!!

Three Prime-ministers two Labor and one Conservative, and who is about to bring the house of Murdoch down?
So for now I'm not going to bash Cameron until the whole sorry state has been exposed !

What a load of tosh! DC is part of the dodgy dealings and wheelings. Dont kid yourself.
He didnt have to obey Mme Brooks' command "do as I say, or else"?

Err...how is that considered playing the blinder when she says "jump" and he asks "how high".

BTW, this is a good article well worth the read.
http://onlyinamericablogging.blogspot.com/2012/05/dark-dealings-of-news-international.html


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Post by tigger on 18.05.12 7:02

Aiyoyo wrote:


Extract from the Guardian
Earlier this year, Mr and Mrs Brooks became parents after their first child – a daughter named Scarlett Anne Mary Brooks – was born via a surrogate.
The surrogate, who declined to be identified, had been carrying twins but one of the babies died during the early stages of the pregnancy.
The pair were said to be "overjoyed" after trying to start a family for more than five years.


Whatever "get out of jail free pass" she planned is going to be useless if the Judge ignores it.

If she is indisposed so to speak, there is still her hubby who can look after their daughter. Besides with their combined wealth they can easily afford nannies. At worst, she can ask kate, the mate she got along with, to look after Scarlett for her. I do feel sorry for the baby - what a name!
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Thanks for that - I knew whe wasn't giving birth herself and thought it was surrogate and thought it too libellous to say!
Still - very timely - it's standard procedure for some criminals to get their girlfriends pregnant just before they are jailed, shortens the sentence considerably.




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Post by jozi on 18.05.12 9:41

@aiyoyo wrote:
@jozi wrote:Hi clapping
IMO,
I think Cameron has played a blinder ( he did say he was going to clean up politics ) didn't he ?

He had to get close to R B and Murdoch to expose all the dodgy dealings which have been going on for years and years, not just by him !!!
Now being exposed before our very eyes all the murky details how our Government was being run !!!

Three Prime-ministers two Labor and one Conservative, and who is about to bring the house of Murdoch down?
So for now I'm not going to bash Cameron until the whole sorry state has been exposed !

What a load of tosh! DC is part of the dodgy dealings and wheelings. Dont kid yourself.
He didnt have to obey Mme Brooks' command "do as I say, or else"?

Err...how is that considered playing the blinder when she says "jump" and he asks "how high".

BTW, this is a good article well worth the read.
http://onlyinamericablogging.blogspot.com/2012/05/dark-dealings-of-news-international.html


Hi aiyoyo

Thanks for your reply, you may think its tosh and you could be right !!! I will wait and see what comes out and if its the usual lovey dovey, patty on backy, kissy kissy etc then its just business as usual .
Don't forget we had 2 Prime ministers before who also jumped to R Bs and Murdochs tune, just have to wait and see what comes out in the wash ???

In my opinion I don't think we can bash until we know all the facts, remember its been going on for years and only now come out in the open.......by whose hand ?
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Post by Guest on 18.05.12 10:15

It seems RB could be challenging the charging decision, this from The Telegraph taken from Steel Magnolia blogspot......


http://steelmagnolia-steelmagnolia.blogspot.co.uk/

#McCann #Brooks #Leveson: Brooks Challenges A Report From The 'Daily Mail' Who Wrote A Hoax Story BUT Do Not Know The Source To Have Charges Against Her Dropped. LOL Cameron.

I refer to this article from the Daily Mail.

http://themurdochempireanditsnestofvipers.blogspot.com.es/2012/05/leveson-pressreform-media-yet-to.html

Phone hacking: Rebekah Brooks could challenge charging decision because prosecutor was victim of tabloid sting

Rebekah Brooks could challenge charging decision because prosecutor was victim of tabloid sting.Rebekah Brooks is considering challenging the decision to press charges against her on the grounds that the Crown Prosecution Service QC who took the decision was once the victim of a tabloid sting.

Alison Levitt QC, the principal legal adviser to the Director of Public Prosecutions Keir Starmer, announced on Tuesday that Mrs Brooks, an ex-editor of the defunct News of the World and The Sun, will face charges of conspiracy to pervert the course of justice over the phone hacking scandal.

However, Mrs Brooks’ legal team are now examining whether Ms Levitt’s decision might have been influenced by the fact that five years ago tabloid newspapers, including the News of the World, reported on her affair with a peer.
A source close to Mrs Brooks, the former chief executive of News International said: “It is being reviewed by her legal team. She is looking at judicial review.”

Mrs Brooks’ solicitors at law firm Kingsley Napley, together with a QC, want to test whether this experience gave Ms Levitt a “jaundiced view of the tabloid press”, and so, played a part in her decision to charge Mrs Brooks.

If this can be proved to be the case, they are likely to argue, that she should have “recused” herself from any charging decision. It could also mean the CPS will have to re-examine the charges.

Mrs Brooks’ legal team are also trying to establish whether “she took the decision herself or sought external legal counsel”, according to sources. If she took the decision without outside advice it could make a challenge more likely.

During the cash for honours affair, Lord MacDonald of River Glaven QC, who at the time was DPP, said he would take no part in the case because he was a former colleague of the Prime Minister’s wife, Cherie.

Mrs Brooks challenge rests on a report from January 2007 in the Mail on Sunday which reported that Ms Levitt was having an affair with Lord Carlile of Berriew, the then-Government anti-terror adviser.

The story was also picked up in later editions of the News of the World. Mrs Brooks was editing The Sun at the time.

Last night the CPS said Ms Levitt took the charging decisions after advice from a team of four experienced lawyers, which she led. The decision was not referred to an external QC – although there was nothing unusual in that, a source said.

Keir Starmer, the Director of Public Prosecutions, described Ms Levitt as a "distinguished and highly respected QC".

He told The Daily Telegraph: “It is preposterous to question the judgement of my principal legal adviser of my Principal Legal Advisor, Alison Levitt QC, on the basis that five years ago the News of the World wrote three sentences about her private life, repeating what had been reported elsewhere and which had been, in any event, common knowledge for a year.

“Alison Levitt QC was not even aware that the News of the World had written anything about her until it was drawn to her attention yesterday. She is a distinguished and highly respected QC.

A spokesman for Mrs Brooks declined to comment. However, speaking on Tuesday, Mrs Brooks said she was “baffled” by the decision to charge her.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/phone-hacking/9273276/Phone-hacking-Rebekah-Brooks-could-challenge-charging-decision-because-prosecutor-was-victim-of-tabloid-sting.html
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Post by Guest on 18.05.12 10:54

snipped from Telegraph.....

He told The Daily Telegraph: “It is preposterous to question the judgement of my principal legal adviser of my Principal Legal Advisor, Alison Levitt QC, on the basis that five years ago the News of the World wrote three sentences about her private life, repeating what had been reported elsewhere and which had been, in any event, common knowledge for a year.

“Alison Levitt QC was not even aware that the News of the World had written anything about her until it was drawn to her attention yesterday. She is a distinguished and highly respected QC.


RB and clutching at straws comes to mind big grin

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Post by Guest on 18.05.12 10:57

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The astonishing ego of Rebekah Brooks. Does she really think she gets to pick her own prosecutor? http://tgr.ph/J1b1G9 #leveson
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Post by tiny on 18.05.12 11:01

A spokesman for Mrs Brooks declined to comment. However, speaking on Tuesday, Mrs Brooks said she was “baffled” by the decision to charge her.


I think rb thought she had every one in her pocket with this sentence,but only time will tell.
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Post by jd on 18.05.12 11:52

[quote="aiyoyo"]
I read Kingsley Napley is RB's lawyer.

Yes this was the offices in Clerkenwell they was outside when she made her 'I am baffled' speech

Just by coincidence (another one!) Kingsley Napley were the solicitors for the mccanns
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Re: Rebekah Brooks charged with perverting the course of justice

Post by jozi on 18.05.12 12:24

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@aiyoyo wrote:
I read Kingsley Napley is RB's lawyer.

Yes this was the offices in Clerkenwell they was outside when she made her 'I am baffled' speech

Just by coincidence (another one!) Kingsley Napley were the solicitors for the mccanns

Yikes !!!
We may get that missing key of information that Gerry's eager for everyone to find and it could possibly open the door ?
Where are the McCanns by the way,awfully quiet ???
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