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ANDY REDWOOD; PERHAPS WE HAVE BEEN TOO HASTY

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Post by Tony Bennett on 12.05.12 23:47

@WOODWARD wrote:If DCI Redwood has given the McCanns or their representatives, details from the Leics Police investigation - which that police force and the Attorney General went to court to retain - then he has broken the law and is guilty of contempt of court.
I am not sure that's a correct statement of the law. But of course the McCanns had much helpful information from Leicestershire Police from very early on. There were two officers captured on TV cameras delivering large carbroard boxes of evidence to the McCanns' house in Rothley, IIRC in September 2007, and as early as Tuesday 22 May, Dr Gerald McCann, in a short prepared speech to the world's press, began...

"Good afternoon. As you know, yesterday I spent the day in the UK attending a series of meetings. I met with our legal team and the police and the discussions we had were extremely productive. Later on I also visited the incident room in Leicester along with other family members, which was extremely informative and encouraging..."

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Post by jd on 13.05.12 0:30

Backed up by clarence eden mitchell who said 'he first met gerry at Leics Police Station "I met Gerry at the end of May 2007 when he returned to the UK after his daughter's disappearance. It was a circumstantial meeting at Leicestershire Police station. At the time I was working as part of the Consular Assistance Group, representing the foreigners department"
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Post by friedtomatoes on 13.05.12 0:50

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@friedtomatoes wrote:I think the Leveson inquiry might be the spanner in the works to finally do it. Let's see.
Hmmm, Leveson transcript, 23 November 2011, Dr Gerald & Kate McCann:

http://www.levesoninquiry.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Transcript-of-Afternoon-Hearing-23-November-2011.pdf

pages 7, 8 and 33

playing a part or ignorant and hoodwinked is my opinion is my take if not his balls shoukd be in the chopper too

i doubt a senior judge like leveson who has a strong ego is going to be done over, mr jay and his lerformance supports my opinion, i hioe all the liars rot, and that is TRULY rot

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Post by Zozo on 13.05.12 1:18

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@WOODWARD wrote:If DCI Redwood has given the McCanns or their representatives, details from the Leics Police investigation - which that police force and the Attorney General went to court to retain - then he has broken the law and is guilty of contempt of court.
I am not sure that's a correct statement of the law. But of course the McCanns had much helpful information from Leicestershire Police from very early on. There were two officers captured on TV cameras delivering large carbroard boxes of evidence to the McCanns' house in Rothley, IIRC in September 2007, and as early as Tuesday 22 May, Dr Gerald McCann, in a short prepared speech to the world's press, began...

"Good afternoon. As you know, yesterday I spent the day in the UK attending a series of meetings. I met with our legal team and the police and the discussions we had were extremely productive. Later on I also visited the incident room in Leicester along with other family members, which was extremely informative and encouraging..."

I can't imagine how the portuguese police felt betrayed by the UK police of all of those things you said above.

Now we have SY team who went in portugal to meet Oporto team, that for sure they must have had access to the files which was held back to the public. I'm afraid those files may have end up in the hands of the Mccanns!!!
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Post by Ribisl on 13.05.12 6:01

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@Ribisl wrote:I agree with [nomendelta's] points entirely. It is quite unthinkable that they are playing some kind of mind games over the national media. That would be an appalling travesty of what our police force and justice system should stand for. Or have we allowed the media to become so powerful that they can now not only blackmail politicians with impunity but also manipulate how SY conduct their investigations? I sincerely hope not.
To answer your last question, Ribisl, surely we HAVE indeed reached (or have very nearly done so) the point where the media can (a) 'blackmail politicians with impunity' and (b) 'manipulate how SY conduct their investigations'.

Let us review a few recent facts:

1. John Yates of SY refused to investigate 'phone hacking at the News of the World (NOTW). Why? Because he and others amongst the top brass of the nation's top police force were in bed with News International (NI). NI paid them, wined and dined them, offered them lucrative contracts writing for their newspapers, and got their own men to be paid to advise the Yard on media relations! - look at Andy Hayman as a supreme example of all this

2. The British Prime Minster has been reduced to sending lovey dovey text messages to Rebekah Wade and wishes her well just as her role in the 'phone hacking scandal becomes ever clearer

3. It has virtually been admitted that Rebekah Wade/NI twisted Cameron's arm, who then forced former Met boss Sir Paul Stephenson to commit £3.5 million to a review of the Madeleine McCann case, a figure which looks like it might treble or quadruple in years to come; even some London Assembly members Lord harris, jenney Jones) voiced their disapproval, saying that there were more urgent priorties for 37 staff including several senior officers

4. It is as plain as a pikestaff that Cameron appoointed Jeremy Hunt in place of Vince Cable to handle the £8 billion BSkyB bid, with a view to handing control to Murdoch; his plans were foiled, though

5. Going back to 2009, everyone knows that when Cameron met Murdoch on a yacht in the Mediterranean in 2009, he reached a deal with Murdoch...well, call it an 'understanding': "I'll get my papers to back you, in return you deliver me BSkyB". Two weeks after this Mediterranean tryst, the Sun switched its support from Labour to Conservative, and Cameron did what he was told and appointed ex NOTW editor Andy Coulson as his Director of Communications (and later, Cameron and Coulson appointed Clarence Mitchell as Assistant Director of Communications - the only man to have got top jobs in media manipulation both for Labour and for the Tories. Mitchell was a Murdoch man through-and-through as shown by his appointment to a plum PR job with Freud Communications, owned by Rupert Murdoch's son-in-law, once he ceased to work full-time with the McCanns).

Other examples of NI's unhealthy influence on poilitical decison-making are legion.

Turning now to the subject of D.C.I. Andy Redwood's recent press releases, press statements and T.V. appearances, may I just make these observations, without making any further comment:

1. He has personally commissioned, at taxpayer's expense, one age-progressed picture of what Madeleine might look like, aged 9

2. He has ensured by his appearances on Panaroma, Good Morning and elsewhere that the overwhelming majority of British people saw this picture

3. By doing so - in fact he said as much - he is asking the whole of the British nation to actively 'look' for Madeleine who, by inference, may be alive and living in the U.K.

4. He has stated that he has 195 potentially successful lines of evidence and hinted that he might need another two or three years to complete his task (whatever that means)

5. Accodrdng to Dr Kate McCann's latest book, the McCanns met in London with Redwood and a whole team of his staff within a couple of weeks of his review being set up

6. In his own words, he has said that he has worked in 'close collaboration' with the McCanns throughout the last 12 months

7. He has (eventually, a few weeks ago) published the review's remit - which is to investigate Madeleine's reported disappearance 'as if the abduction happened in Britain'

8. As Cameron's adviser told the press, on the day Dr Kate McCann's book was published - and the day the Sun (not the Prime Minister, note) announced that SY would be conducting a £3.5 million review - that the purpose of the review was 'to support the family'.

These and other similar facts tell us fairly precisely IMO where this review is going.
Tony - thank you for your considered reply. Much appreciated, especially as I only have time to dip in and out of this forum to keep myself abreast of what is going on, and therefore, although I was familiar with most of these facts, I felt it unsafe to draw a conclusion from my own suspicions. Your reply has merely reinforced my views on this matter, sadly, I must add.

Getting back to Redwood, I believe he has, by his own conducts, become a willing participant in the McCann circus and influenced the public opinion in their favour. Seeking truth appears to be the 199th item in this wretched investigation.

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Post by Pershing36 on 13.05.12 12:15

I have always been sure that TM would have seeked assurances, probably legally that any SY investigation would not re-open the original PJ line of enquiries.

I am sure a legal team could sugar coat it in a way that it would cause further distress to the parents to look at that again.

I bet they already had written assurance well before the investigation was commissioned.
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Post by Snifferdog on 13.05.12 17:21

Well, I have to say that the arguments have somewhat changed my mind, and taking info at face value it looks really serious. The mccanns being only one small, but obvious visible manifestation of the Evil Hidden Money Grubbing Octopus, and like the mccanns, it will not go away of its own accord. It will never have enough. even after the last drop of blood has been drained. Money truly is the root of all evil, follow its slithering trail right to the top, and you will find its head. If it looks like S#!t, smells like Sh#!t it is Sh#!t, it is Sh#!t!
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Post by aiyoyo on 13.05.12 18:11

TB wrote:
These and other similar facts tell us fairly precisely IMO where this review is going.

This review is going the milky way all the way to depot Murdoch.

RB has DC in her pocket over this review. I wont be surprised she hinted to DC the sort of review she wanted the Yard to conclude so that she can continue to milk mccans the cows for years and years....to come.

Imagine, an abduction theory means more fabricated sightings, bewk deal, serialization, maybe even broker movie deal for mccanns etc.
Plenty of profit in it for NI and of course the adrenalin high of having power over the top man at No. 10.
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Post by nomendelta on 13.05.12 18:24

Another point to bear in mind regarding the review.

Many of us assumed that the Prime Minister ordered the review and that the McCanns hadn't expected it to happen and certainly didn't want it to happen. That they had to be seen publicly to ask for it but didn't want it. The subsequent public comments from them being regarded by us as saving face and biding their time to the inevitable.

Now we find out that there is a strong possibility that not only did they want it but getting it was part of the leverage Rebeckah Brooks used to get the book deal and she allegedly called in a favour with her old mate Davy Wavy. So the request was initially private, between the McCanns and Brooks. So they wanted it. The McCanns are not fools whatever we would like to think. They would not have asked for a review - especially in such a string-pulling manner - unless they knew it would give them the result they wanted.

The fact that Brooks called in a favour in order to get the review - and that the review was wanted by the McCanns - is a game changer and a further pointer to me that it's a whitewash.

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Post by Pershing36 on 13.05.12 19:05

I think we all trusted our police force too much. We do have an excellent clear up rate for serious crimes in the UK but too many high profile ones go unchallenged and not well investigated.

TM and their hard line pro supporters saw this as a golden opportunity. None of them seemed nervous and when it is concluded they will have the backing and results of the investigation to wipe the floor with anyone who disagree's.

I read on another forum that CM said the fund was surviving on income from compensation payouts from libel actions, I had a feeling there are many more to come. Just think of the possibilities for them when 3 years and 10 million of SY time and money concludes they are the saints of the universe. They will sue anybody who has so much as looked at them in the wrong way in the past. It wont be long before they only have to put a case forward to the court and you will lose your house, savings and have to kiss their butts.
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