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Post by rainbow-fairy 03.05.12 19:06

This made me really angry and upset (its slightly paraphrased as I read it on front page then 4/5 of Mirror today)

"The twins helped us put together the new photo-fit.
We asked them how old they thought she looked, they said about eight or nine so we tweaked it a little to make her look older"

Er, WTF? IF Maddie was alive she would BE 8 coming up 9, so why in hell would they want the photo-fit supposed to help find her look older than she is?
Reminds me of the photo's of a two year old released when she 'vanished' and was actually four!

BTW, isn't it mental cruelty to let the twins be so sure Maddie is alive? I'dve thought it kinder to gently explain to them that the likelihood is she is sadly deceased, but that she will always be their big sister?
Its emotional harm to let them believe that they can help search when they are older - also suggests they are certain she won't be found soon!

Does anyone have a link to the whole article? I've googled but can't find it, there were a few more 'WTF' moments...

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Post by tuom 03.05.12 19:12

rainbow-fairy wrote:This made me really angry and upset (its slightly paraphrased as I read it on front page then 4/5 of Mirror today)

"The twins helped us put together the new photo-fit.
We asked them how old they thought she looked, they said about eight or nine so we tweaked it a little to make her look older"

Er, WTF? IF Maddie was alive she would BE 8 coming up 9, so why in hell would they want the photo-it supposed to help find her look older than she is?
Reminds me of the photo's of a two year old released when she 'vanished' and was actually four!

BTW, isn't it mental cruelty to let the twins be so sure Maddie is alive? I'dve thought it kinder to gently explain to them that the likelihood is she is sadly deceased, but that she will always be their big sister?
Its emotional harm to let them believe that they can help search when they are older - also suggests they are certain she won't be found soon!

Does anyone have a link to the whole article? I've googled but can't find it, there were a few more 'WTF' moments...



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Post by anil39200 03.05.12 19:23

You know, you absolutely correct, but imo, it is all part of the big smokescreens. No one really knows what goes on behind closed doors and in my experience families are sometimes experts at hiding things for a long time, even from each other. People in the 'public eye' operate on two levels. Telling the public one thing as their public persona locks on and keeping their real lives hidden. It would appear to me that this has been a clear strategy from early on. I don't read any tabloids anymore and so can't help with the article but I do think a lot of things are said for public consumption. It reminds me, years ago I met someone who used to appear on tv nightly, he was a guest speaker and most people looked forward to chatting with him privately for anecdotes, always came across as a clever chap. He could not string a sentence together in conversation, had read from notes for his speech and was one of the most bland, boring people I ever met! All he wanted was his $$ . Yes, a lot is saod for effect imo. To perhaps keep the waters cloudy?
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Post by friedtomatoes 03.05.12 19:26

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-parents-more-positive-815591

Those quotes were taken from the recent press conference and are about 3/4 of the way down the page.

The itn press conference can be listened to here. I think it was toward the end they were talking about the new photo.

http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=GB#/watch?v=divprR1XZKM

If the link doesnt work, do a search in youtube for :
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Post by jd 03.05.12 19:33

rainbow-fairy wrote:This made me really angry and upset (its slightly paraphrased as I read it on front page then 4/5 of Mirror today)

"The twins helped us put together the new photo-fit.
We asked them how old they thought she looked, they said about eight or nine so we tweaked it a little to make her look older"

Er, WTF? IF Maddie was alive she would BE 8 coming up 9, so why in hell would they want the photo-fit supposed to help find her look older than she is?
Reminds me of the photo's of a two year old released when she 'vanished' and was actually four!

BTW, isn't it mental cruelty to let the twins be so sure Maddie is alive? I'dve thought it kinder to gently explain to them that the likelihood is she is sadly deceased, but that she will always be their big sister?
Its emotional harm to let them believe that they can help search when they are older - also suggests they are certain she won't be found soon!

Does anyone have a link to the whole article? I've googled but can't find it, there were a few more 'WTF' moments...

It sure is mental cruelty to let the twins be so sure Maddie is alive? Though in truth I doubt the twins had anything to do with the new photo, just another lie from the mccanns. Besides, are the twins really going to have any real memory of what Maddie looked like, they were too young sleeping in cots
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Post by anil39200 03.05.12 19:37

agreed
jd wrote:
rainbow-fairy wrote:This made me really angry and upset (its slightly paraphrased as I read it on front page then 4/5 of Mirror today)

"The twins helped us put together the new photo-fit.
We asked them how old they thought she looked, they said about eight or nine so we tweaked it a little to make her look older"

Er, WTF? IF Maddie was alive she would BE 8 coming up 9, so why in hell would they want the photo-fit supposed to help find her look older than she is?
Reminds me of the photo's of a two year old released when she 'vanished' and was actually four!

BTW, isn't it mental cruelty to let the twins be so sure Maddie is alive? I'dve thought it kinder to gently explain to them that the likelihood is she is sadly deceased, but that she will always be their big sister?
Its emotional harm to let them believe that they can help search when they are older - also suggests they are certain she won't be found soon!

Does anyone have a link to the whole article? I've googled but can't find it, there were a few more 'WTF' moments...

It sure is mental cruelty to let the twins be so sure Maddie is alive? Though in truth I doubt the twins had anything to do with the new photo, just another lie from the mccanns. Besides, are the twins really going to have any real memory of what Maddie looked like, they were too young sleeping in cots
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Post by Smokeandmirrors 03.05.12 19:52

I'm guessing that the twins have been brought up by the McCanns as being pro-active in the photofit and saying they want to search in the future a) for the sympathy vote and b) to deflect the inevitable criticism. They have the option of not dragging the twins into the media frenzy that has popped up over the last few days, but sadly, no. I feel so unutterably sorry for the twins. It's heartbreaking that for all their living memory this has been so prominent in their lives.

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Post by anil39200 03.05.12 19:58

Innocents are always victims whenan illusion is created. It is very sad.
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Post by Ross 03.05.12 21:03

anil39200 wrote:
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I don't read any tabloids anymore and so can't help with the article but I do think a lot of things are said for public consumption.
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I'm sure we are all familiar with Abraham Lincoln's famous proverb:

"You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time."

It's something of an internet forum favourite. Yet one thing I notice is that when it is used the emphasis is inevitably on the third clause "you cannot fool all the people all the time". Perhaps this is because it's how people have been taught to view the piece, and it's rhetorical structure does lend to that emphasis, but that third phrase is ridiculous. You couldn't fool a class of five year olds all of the time, of course you can't fool all the people all the time, it's so obvious it's hardly worth saying. However, the two preceding clauses are both very perceptive and deserve attention.

"You can fool all the people some of the time" - like it or not, that's you and me folks.
"(you can fool) some of the people all the time" - the implications of this are immense.

If the 'some' in question starts to approach what appears to be a critical mass of around 30%, you have the basis for tyranny. So who does the fooling? The media, that's what they are there for.

Having been through the long and painful extraction from the web of deceit spun around us all from the moment we first draw breath, my advice would be to stop reading newspapers full stop, and throw away your television because as long as you are watching it you are being fooled. The internet exists (for now) and with some discernment and your own intelligence you can find clues as to what is actually going on. Expecting a liar to tell you the truth is a fool's errand.

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Post by tigger 03.05.12 21:14

goodpost Ross!

No TV - no papers - 80% anxiety gone!

The Netherlands government fell on a Saturday, nearly two weeks ago. The first I knew of it was a headline on a newspaper stand the following Tuesday: elections soon! ??
I'm now regarded as mad or backward....

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tigger wrote: McCann Misinformation (The Mirror) 41345390 Ross!

No TV - no papers - 80% anxiety gone!

The Netherlands government fell on a Saturday, nearly two weeks ago. The first I knew of it was a headline on a newspaper stand the following Tuesday: elections soon! ??
I'm now regarded as mad or backward....

Thanks tigg!

Yes, the fear agenda and the degradation agenda. That's 80% of the media right there.

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Post by Ribisl 04.05.12 0:39

Beetroot - I didn't watch LK or the press conference but watched the videos posted here last night. And I am pretty sure I heard Kate talk about tweaking the photofit twice and it struck me as a little odd at the time. But that probably means it had been scripted by CM, so no point in getting worked up about imo.

I cannot stomach all this mass hysteria brought on by TM and have no appetite even to read through recent topics. Tigger - I think I might follow your suit for a while until it dies down a bit.

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Post by roy rovers 04.05.12 1:03

As far as the Mcanns are concerned the twins have a lot to be grateful for since mummy and/or daddy have gone to a lot of trouble to be there for them as opposed to some Portuguese slammer.
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Post by ToffeeApple 04.05.12 1:18

roy rovers wrote:As far as the Mcanns are concerned the twins have a lot to be grateful for since mummy and/or daddy have gone to a lot of trouble to be there for them as opposed to some Portuguese slammer.

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Post by rainbow-fairy 04.05.12 7:26

Detectives are analysing 40,000 pieces of information and believe she could still be alive after disappearing from the family’s holiday villa in Portugal in May 2007.

They have been unable to get their Portuguese counterparts to resume their search. But Gerry has “no doubt” the authorities there will one day reopen the case.

He said: “A lot of the investigation opportunities are in Portugal.

“It’s fairly clear the case will have to be reopened for those to be pursued adequately. I’m sure the investigation will get opened again in due course.

"For the search to be as effective as it can be we need the Portuguese authorities on board.”

So, are you all going to go back out and do your reconstruction, or, Kate - are you going to answer the questions you thought you wouldn't bother to FIVE YEARS AGO... That's how desperate you are to 'find' your eldest daughter!

Kate added: “It’s certainly the best way that we’re going to find Madeleine, and who took her.

"If people want to find her, and want to find the person who took her, then we need the case to be reopened.

“We have to believe that people want to find Madeleine, want to find the perpetrator and want to solve the case.

"If that’s the case, and that’s how they feel, then I’m sure the case will be reopened.


If 'people want to find her? What about you???
I think they 'have to believe that people want to find Madeleine, want to find the perpetrator and
Want to solve the case' only if its abduction based. I personally want Maddie found and to get her justice, but I don't think the McCanns would agree with my hypothesis!


“There are lots of new leads and lots of crucial information emerging that will take us forward.”

The couple, of Rothley, Leics, also spoke of their fears Madeleine’s younger twin siblings Sean and Amelie will go through the same pain they have experienced.

They have tried to shield the pair from the agony of her disappearance.



But as they grow older they worry the twins, who were two years old when she vanished, could be affected.

They are also experiencing things with them they never had the chance to go through with Madeleine, who was three years old when she vanished.

Kate said: “All the milestones are always difficult. Sean and Amelie starting school was particularly difficult.

“Even just witnessing them now, talking non-stop and writing stories, it’s inevitable we will be wondering, ‘What would Madeleine be doing now? How would she be interacting with them?’

"We have been through a lot of these milestones.”

She added: “What we’ve been through in the last five years – the pain, sadness, anxiety, frustration and anger – is an awful thing to go through.

"I know how much it has devastated us and I really don’t want Sean and Amelie to have to suffer like that.

“They have taken things in their stride so far and been grown up with Madeleine being missing.

“But obviously as they get older, their understanding gets greater and their desire to find their sister becomes even greater.

"Then if we haven’t found Madeleine, they will inevitably go through that range of emotions. I want to protect them from that.

“I’ve no doubt that if there comes a time when Madeleine is not found and Sean and Amelie are teenagers, they will want to help us and carry on the search.

“But I don’t want them to have to go through that emotion. I don’t really want them to have the burden of this, of having to keep looking and looking and not being able to stop.

"So we need to find her now.”


So how does that load of tripe jibe with this bit of breathtaking cruelty?:-

Kate said the twins helped them create an age-progression photo, released last week, of what Madeleine would look like now as a nine-year-old.

She added: “We did share the image with them and they understood that we had to think about what she will look like today in order to find her.

“We asked them, ‘How old do you think this little girl is?’ They initially said eight or nine, so we tweaked the photograph to make her look older than that.


Hardly shielding them, eh!
And how is making the photo-fit look older remotely helpful?!?


“So they have had input, but they take it all in their stride, to be honest.

Which means she isn't being honest at all. Forensic linguistics teaches us that phrases such as 'to be honest' 'if I'm honest' am' actually' are all unnecessary additions to persuade the reader/listener they are being truthful when they are not...

BTW, Ross, your signature is amazing and pretty much sums up why I don't believe a word of the 'abduction hypothesis' Wink

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Post by rainbow-fairy 04.05.12 7:41

Ribisl wrote:Beetroot - I didn't watch LK or the press conference but watched the videos posted here last night. And I am pretty sure I heard Kate talk about tweaking the photofit twice and it struck me as a little odd at the time. But that probably means it had been scripted by CM, so no point in getting worked up about imo.

I cannot stomach all this mass hysteria brought on by TM and have no appetite even to read through recent topics. Tigger - I think I might follow your suit for a while until it dies down a bit.
Oi Sergey - you still calling me Beetroot?!? Think I'll give in n put him back soon Wink

Its ironic, I don't buy the paper I was looking for the yellow 'free ad' paper and it caught my eye as it was a)the only Mirror there and b)Front page sick-fest...
Just that 'tweaking it to make her look older' when she already looked the age she should is really suspect IMO

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Post by tigger 04.05.12 7:56

I've lifted various sentences from the above posts and snipped in between.
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But as they grow older they worry the twins, who were two years old when she vanished, could be affected.
“Even just witnessing them now, talking non-stop and writing stories, it’s inevitable we will be wondering, ‘What would Madeleine be doing now? How would she be interacting with them?’
Writing stories? that's quite early for 7 year olds? This worries me a bit, are the twins going to continue the literary tradition of the McCann family?

"We have been through a lot of these milestones.”
She added: “What we’ve been through in the last five years – the pain, sadness, anxiety, frustration and anger – is an awful thing to go through.
"I know how much it has devastated us and I really don’t want Sean and Amelie to have to suffer like that.
“They have taken things in their stride so far and been grown up with Madeleine being missing.
“But obviously as they get older, their understanding gets greater and their desire to find their sister becomes even greater.
"Then if we haven’t found Madeleine, they will inevitably go through that range of emotions. I want to protect them from that.
They cannot go through a range of emotions you want to visit on them if they have had no experience of losing a child. Going by the photographs, the diary and the blog - all made public very shortly after Maddie's disappearance - none of the above emotions were apparent.
According to Kate's own words the twins hadn't really had much to do with her. From videos it's evident that there was no interaction between the twins and Maddie - Philomena said they had noticed Maddie wasn't there - would ask about her and then be off playing again.


“I’ve no doubt that if there comes a time when Madeleine is not found and Sean and Amelie are teenagers, they will want to help us and carry on the search.
There is a time when she isn't found, that's now. Opening the investigation would make finding her more probable. Tricky, if you know she's never going to be found, it's hard to get your brain round a future time when she will be considered not findable when you know that to be the case now.


“But I don’t want them to have to go through that emotion. I don’t really want them to have the burden of this, of having to keep looking and looking and not being able to stop.
"So we need to find her now.”
You're just pulling the twins into this hell of your own making. You are giving them false memory syndrome . You are crediting them with writing stories and telling us we need to find her now for the twins' sake. She always needed to be found - there was no time when it was less urgent than now - it should always have been the same intense need to find her.

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Post by rainbow-fairy 04.05.12 8:26

tigger wrote:I've lifted various sentences from the above posts and snipped in between.
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But as they grow older they worry the twins, who were two years old when she vanished, could be affected.
“Even just witnessing them now, talking non-stop and writing stories, it’s inevitable we will be wondering, ‘What would Madeleine be doing now? How would she be interacting with them?’
Writing stories? that's quite early for 7 year olds? This worries me a bit, are the twins going to continue the literary tradition of the McCann family?

"We have been through a lot of these milestones.”
She added: “What we’ve been through in the last five years – the pain, sadness, anxiety, frustration and anger – is an awful thing to go through.
"I know how much it has devastated us and I really don’t want Sean and Amelie to have to suffer like that.
“They have taken things in their stride so far and been grown up with Madeleine being missing.
“But obviously as they get older, their understanding gets greater and their desire to find their sister becomes even greater.
"Then if we haven’t found Madeleine, they will inevitably go through that range of emotions. I want to protect them from that.
They cannot go through a range of emotions you want to visit on them if they have had no experience of losing a child. Going by the photographs, the diary and the blog - all made public very shortly after Maddie's disappearance - none of the above emotions were apparent.
According to Kate's own words the twins hadn't really had much to do with her. From videos it's evident that there was no interaction between the twins and Maddie - Philomena said they had noticed Maddie wasn't there - would ask about her and then be off playing again.


“I’ve no doubt that if there comes a time when Madeleine is not found and Sean and Amelie are teenagers, they will want to help us and carry on the search.
There is a time when she isn't found, that's now. Opening the investigation would make finding her more probable. Tricky, if you know she's never going to be found, it's hard to get your brain round a future time when she will be considered not findable when you know that to be the case now.


“But I don’t want them to have to go through that emotion. I don’t really want them to have the burden of this, of having to keep looking and looking and not being able to stop.
"So we need to find her now.”
You're just pulling the twins into this hell of your own making. You are giving them false memory syndrome . You are crediting them with writing stories and telling us we need to find her now for the twins' sake. She always needed to be found - there was no time when it was less urgent than now - it should always have been the same intense need to find her.
Obviously they were quite happy for her to be with sick p*****s for 5 years but now she needs to be found?!? More like they are cacking their pants that PT re-open on the original terms Wink

I agree with your analysis tigger, bar one thing - not sure 7 is young to be writing stories? My mum treasures a 'book' I made called 'my brother nibs' or something I made when I was nearly 6. She thought family complete with 2 girls but not long after, shock pregnancy - my little brother! She said I'm either clairvoyant or I talked that one up he he he

Slightly (well, quite a lot) O/T, can somebody tell me what it says on the header? Want to put it on my FB page... I can make out 'Tony Bennett, retired lawyer' but nothing after that - blackberry screen waaay too small Wink

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Post by uppatoffee 04.05.12 8:37

Bit of a pattern emerging for using photos or images that look nothing like Madeleine. The latest image looks just like a first year of senior school photo, placing her around 11 not 8-9.
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Post by tigger 04.05.12 8:49

Tony Bennett, retired, lawyer, taken to court by Carter-Ruck on behalf of the McCanns.
His crime is to question what happened to Madeleine McCann based on the official UK and Portuguese police files.
Car-Rucks costs now exceed 120,000 pounds.
He faces imprisonment, huge fines and costs or both.
Court dates: adjourned pending legal aid.

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Post by tigger 04.05.12 8:50

uppatoffee wrote:Bit of a pattern emerging for using photos or images that look nothing like Madeleine. The latest image looks just like a first year of senior school photo, placing her around 11 not 8-9.

I take it that the coloboma has made a come back to avoid thousands of young girls being dragged to police stations against their will.
With or without coloboma - this photograph will cause a lot of people a lot of grief.

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Post by rainbow-fairy 04.05.12 9:02

tigger wrote:Tony Bennett, retired, lawyer, taken to court by Carter-Ruck on behalf of the McCanns.
His crime is to question what happened to Madeleine McCann based on the official UK and Portuguese police files.
Car-Rucks costs now exceed 120,000 pounds.
He faces imprisonment, huge fines and costs or both.
Court dates: adjourned pending legal aid.

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TY so much tigger :) that going on my FB page with yet another link to here, I'm spreading the word... People losing jobs, tax going up, welfare slashed, jobs lost 'UK needs austerity measures' yet they will spend £2m on ONE (v v likely dead) child when they won't spend £300 so my friends son can have a wheelchair to improve his life. People are getting angry! So just quietly plug away letting em all know what's happening under their apathetic noses...

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Post by rainbow-fairy 04.05.12 9:20

tigger wrote:
uppatoffee wrote:Bit of a pattern emerging for using photos or images that look nothing like Madeleine. The latest image looks just like a first year of senior school photo, placing her around 11 not 8-9.

I take it that the coloboma has made a come back to avoid thousands of young girls being dragged to police stations against their will.
With or without coloboma - this photograph will cause a lot of people a lot of grief.
tigger, you're not wrong - I posted the other day there is a girl on my nieces FB friends list looks identical! Its utter nonsense. Please somebody stop them!

uppatoffee:- they even have the audacity to admit they tweaked it to make her look older... Er, wtf? Do they really think people are so stupid they won't question that statement?
Still, I think they are aware that MOST people don't really even think of Maddie anymore. Those who do want justice for Maddie. The jatyk2 people don't really mention Maddie - its 'protect Kate and Gerry and bash Amaral at all costs'. So sad. Poor Maddie. I think of her everyday without fail.

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Post by russiandoll 04.05.12 9:51

Don't want the twins to suffer and carry a burden?
Get on a plane, the answers are in Portugal you said a few days ago.
If you need to unburden youself/selves, do what is good for your soul/s.
Tell the truth.

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Post by Miraflores 04.05.12 10:27

I can't see how the twins can avoid "suffering", Kate and Gerry can't insulate them from the world forever. As they get older they will come into contact with more and more of the outside world, and if the SY review comes up with the expected whitewash there will still be questions/rumours circulating as with e.g. who killed President Kennedy, was Princess Di murdered, what did happen to David Kelly etc. etc. etc.

The twins have already had their lives overshadowed by their missing sister, who they will hardly remember, and I do feel sorry for them as wholely innocent victims.
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