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Interview with Father Haynes Hubbard 5 year on

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Re: Interview with Father Haynes Hubbard 5 year on

Post by Guest on 05.05.12 9:29

Jean wrote:Further mention of the Hubbards in Antonella Lazzeri's latest attempt at journalism.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/features/4298857/The-McCanns-vow-to-continue-search-for-Maddie-five-years-after-she-disappeared.html

The comments about Sr Amaral and the police are an absolute disgrace!

Thanks Jean. Interesting though they put this bit in from Goncalo ..............

When the TV host remonstrated with him, the vile ex-cop replied: “I do not know why he (Gerry McCann) says there must be a body. In order to prove the child is dead it is not necessary to have a body.


Also this, she is going to be in trouble big grin ......................

It was the start of a nightmare for her parents that has lasted five years — and for the world, the beginning of one of the most puzzling mysteries of all time
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Post by PeterMac on 05.05.12 9:42

But the four comments are not supportive.

mann210
if what he says is true then the witness who said she saw a man carrying a young child away is wrong,so what can you make of that.If only there was something to go on that was sound.
-----------------But most parents at the resort used the free evening creche while they ate out and then carried their often sleepy/sleeping kids back to their apartments. A man carrying a sleeping child in their pyjamas at the resort would therefore not be an unusual sight.

jasonw666
until there is more transparency from the parents, this case can never really be properly investigated. how many parents would refuse to do a reconstruction ?. most parents would crawl over broken glass if they felt it would help find their child safely.

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i would never leave my kids in their own ,in a evening ,in a bed when i am out ,in foreign country ..that all

mann21
if what he says is true then the witness who said she saw a man carrying a young child away is wrong,so what can you make of that.If only there was something to go on that was sound.

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Post by tigger on 05.05.12 9:43

from the Sun:
For Kate and Gerry that reinvestigation could hold the key to them being reunited with Madeleine — or at least having the comfort of knowing what happened to her.

But I thought she was being held by a paedophile gang in a lawless village! After five years of that - is that going to be a comfort to know?

If she is with a family who fell instantly in love with her, kidnapped her and she now looks like the latest picture - a serene schoolgirl.
I'd leave her where she is - it'd certainly be a greater comfort to me.


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Post by Miraflores on 05.05.12 10:24

Latest comment:

The McCanns vow to continue search for daughter
Dont they mean they will continue to allow others to search for her
,,,,,,,,,,,,They wont find her sat at home will they ???? No ..They
need to get out there and look and not leave it to others
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Re: Interview with Father Haynes Hubbard 5 year on

Post by PeterMac on 05.05.12 11:05

and a couple more
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They were in the wrong by leaving her alone and they want our sympathy, i know it's sad what has happened but if they hadn't of left her alone none of this would of happened and the most shocking thing is i bet they was watched for the duration of the holiday and it probably wasn't the first time they left there kids alone, also i bet if they got all the cctv from the place and look for people looking suspicious that would give them clues.

tell the truth
Is this going to go on all bank holiday weekend? Stuck down the bottom of the page, fooling no one. There is no transparency only laboured spin that couldn't be more obvious. As someone who contributed to the fund I amongst many would like transparency.

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The McCanns vow to continue search for daughter
Dont they mean they will continue to allow others to search for her ,,,,,,,,,,,,They wont find her sat at home will they ???? No ..They need to get out there and look and not leave it to others

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Re: Interview with Father Haynes Hubbard 5 year on

Post by monkey mind on 05.05.12 13:12

@PeterMac wrote:But the four comments are not supportive.

mann210
if what he says is true then the witness who said she saw a man carrying a young child away is wrong,so what can you make of that.If only there was something to go on that was sound.
-----------------But most parents at the resort used the free evening creche while they ate out and then carried their often sleepy/sleeping kids back to their apartments. A man carrying a sleeping child in their pyjamas at the resort would therefore not be an unusual sight.

jasonw666
until there is more transparency from the parents, this case can never really be properly investigated. how many parents would refuse to do a reconstruction ?. most parents would crawl over broken glass if they felt it would help find their child safely.

ireadsun
i would never leave my kids in their own ,in a evening ,in a bed when i am out ,in foreign country ..that all

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if what he says is true then the witness who said she saw a man carrying a young child away is wrong,so what can you make of that.If only there was something to go on that was sound.

The first poster sounds like he has some knowledge of PDL and confirms what many of us had concluded that it would not be unusual to see a child being carried at that time of night. Here's a coincidence....

https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t2551-creche-sheets-and-attendance-charts

Last post, names .

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Post by Guest on 05.05.12 21:34

[quote="candyfloss"]Interview with Father Haynes Hubbard, he's the Anglican priest isn't he, where is an interview with a Catholic one, I thought they were Catholics.......



From what I remember of his statement it read more as though he is a personal friend of the Mccann's as opposed to their religious mentor. His statement more or less was a carbon copy of the Mccann's version so I guess that confirms his close friendship with them.
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Post by Guest on 05.05.12 21:39

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candyfloss wrote:Interview with Father Haynes Hubbard, he's the Anglican priest isn't he, where is an interview with a Catholic one, I thought they were Catholics.......



From what I remember of his statement it read more as though he is a personal friend of the Mccann's as opposed to their religious mentor. His statement more or less was a carbon copy of the Mccann's version so I guess that confirms his close friendship with them.

Yes, he is a close friend, Mrs Hubbard babysat the twins on occasions. My point is they are Catholics, why haven't we had any interviews with a Catholic priest. Surely a Catholic priest would be the one to befriend you and give you comfort, etc. Wouldn't a Catholic priest be the first one you turned to? Is Fr Pacheco (spelling?) still in PDL? Anyone know?
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Post by Guest on 05.05.12 21:51

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candyfloss wrote:Interview with Father Haynes Hubbard, he's the Anglican priest isn't he, where is an interview with a Catholic one, I thought they were Catholics.......



From what I remember of his statement it read more as though he is a personal friend of the Mccann's as opposed to their religious mentor. His statement more or less was a carbon copy of the Mccann's version so I guess that confirms his close friendship with them.

Yes, he is a close friend, Mrs Hubbard babysat the twins on occasions. My point is they are Catholics, why haven't we had any interviews with a Catholic priest. Surely a Catholic priest would be the one to befriend you and give you comfort, etc. Wouldn't a Catholic priest be the first one you turned to? Is Fr Pacheco (spelling?) still in PDL? Anyone know?



Good question, the Catholic Priest in PDL.
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Post by aiyoyo on 06.05.12 4:27

@Ashwarya wrote:I agree, the whole Fr Hubbard thing is very odd. It is understandable that the church is shared between protestants and catholics, as PDL attracts (or used to attract!) so many foreign visitors who might want an English speaking Anglican priest to conduct services for them. But it is unthinkable that in a Catholic country he would be centre stage the way he is - he would be a bit player. As for poor Fr Pacheco, I asked my parish priest in general terms whether a priest could ever break the seal of the confessional, even to the Pope, and he said no. What is more he confirmed that priests cannot withhold absolution if they believe the penitent is truly remorseful, so they can't put any conditions on absolution such as admitting what they have done to the police or anyone else. So if Fr Pacheco believed at the time they were sincere and absolved them of whatever it was, he would be tortured now by the circus that has gone on since May 2007. Fr Hubbard IMO was definitely shipped in for some reason - the coincidence otherwise of his arrival within a couple of days stretches credibility much too far.

Its fantastic isnt it - this religion where if you commit a crime, even of the most severe kind of taking a human life and as long as you confessed, you're granted absolution - no condition and no question about it , and your responsibility to answer for it becomes nil and you start anew again!

Isn't it just...... that a man can grant another man (a sinner) absolute absolution! A priest is after all just a man! Sorry don't mean to offend anyone but it's just the way I feel.

I imagine heaven is full of them isn't it (sinners I mean), and the gate keeper, St. peter is just supposed to welcome them with open arm and admit them with no question asked - Das ist wunderbar!
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Post by PeterMac on 06.05.12 6:29

Do little children and Catholic Priests both go to Heaven ?

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Post by aiyoyo on 06.05.12 13:01

Which heaven?

The heaven sinners go to, because admission is presumably guaranteed after people including sinners, have confessed and received absolution? Or a different one?

I have always thought there can be only one nation up there (in heaven) I mean.
If it's going to a united nation, then what is the point of queuing at St Peter's gate only to get in then find that people there still squabble with one another over religion differences, or cultural difference, or nation divide, and you still live side by side with sinners, criminals and murderers and what not?
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Post by Guest on 06.05.12 13:31

@PeterMac wrote:Do little children and Catholic Priests both go to Heaven ?

Some children will hope that some priests don't!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01h7m8r/This_World_The_Shame_of_the_Catholic_Church/

This is a programme about the cover-up of allegations against priests in Ireland.
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Post by Guest on 19.05.12 22:01

Putting this here for information............

candyfloss wrote:I will put this here and also in the Haynes Hubbard Video thread so it can be found easily. It seems he is on the move.......



#McCann : Rev. Haynes Hubbard - Times Of Transition.
Times of Transition

The Pastoral Unit comprising Christ Church, Gananoque and Church of the Redeemer Rockport are awaiting the arrival of their new Incumbent, Rev. Christine Downey who will relocate with her husband Benjamin from the Diocese of Huron and begin her ministry with them on May 1st. Also, the people of St. Mark’s, Barriefield will welcome their new Incumbent, Rev. Haynes Hubbard, his wife Susan and family who will relocate from the Anglican Chaplaincy in the Algarve, Portugal on July 1st. Please continue to hold these parishes, clergy and families in your prayers as they continue through this time of transition.

I have heard Susan is already in Canada.


http://www.ontario.anglican.ca/joomla/index.php?option=com_k2&view=latest&layout=latest&Itemid=361


Bizarre, there is something flesh crawling about this entire case.


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Post by Ribisl on 19.05.12 23:09

candyfloss wrote:Is Fr Pacheco (spelling?) still in PDL? Anyone know?

Found this on Diocese do Algarve website

Informação do Responsável
Nome José Manuel da Conceição Calado Pacheco
Cargo Padre
Clero Sim
Data Nascimento 1964-05-13
Data Ordenação 1994-12-08
Morada Casa Miriam, Rua Alexandre Herculano, 22 - 8600-530 LAGOS
Telefone 282 760 390
Fax
Telemóvel 911038616
Email jmanuel.cssr@libero.it
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Ordem Congregação do Santíssimo Redentor (CSSR)
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I am pretty sure this is him but Daily Mail report from October 2008 gives his age as 46 whereas he would have been only 44 - another media slip I guess.

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Post by Guest on 19.05.12 23:32

Thank you, found these pics. Is it the same man....





http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/ragdoll2_small.jpg


From last image it looks like the same one.
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Post by Ribisl on 19.05.12 23:36

Yes, the last picture is the one I used to compare with. I believe it is Jose Manual Pacheco, da Conceição Calado being his mother's name.

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Re: Interview with Father Haynes Hubbard 5 year on

Post by mira2 on 01.06.12 1:15

Father Haynes Hubbard is a wonderful example of corporate business today.

Here is a man who arrived in Praia on 6th May? on a mission, and within days, if not moments his mission became a PR representaive of Gerry and Kate McCann and their entourage of babysitters. The cries of he is an Anglican, they are Catholic this is a problem.

Where is the problem here, I do not see a problem, what I see is a business opportunity that serves the interests of all involved.

Is it ethical, is it moral, is it the kind of institution that serves the interests of all the people regardless or whether they have a vote or not, of course it in not, what is certain is that the corrupt will continue to abuse their privelege simply because WE the public do not care enough about the world around us to speak out and demand accountability from those who we elect to serve our best interests.

P.S. I know that all of you on here are proactive and the kind of people that the next generation need to know are out there, the UK today has a serious problem as a result of New Labours ambitions for themselves, that has left a nation of disaffected youth. The current administration rather than address the issue and attempt to bring some stability, appears to think the way forward is to go backwards. i.e lets talk about civil partnerships, (vote catching) lets talk about Emperor Blair and his good unblemished record .............why don't we just tell Cameron to step down and Blair take his place, no one will notice the difference.

Can this little island of ours get any more pathetic.

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Post by jd on 01.06.12 1:28

Oh mira2 I so agree with what you just said, this is exactly it!!

One day when football clubs goes bust and mod cons are too expensive, then people will realise but by then it will be too late
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Post by tigger on 01.06.12 5:54

@jd wrote:Oh mira2 I so agree with what you just said, this is exactly it!!

One day when football clubs goes bust and mod cons are too expensive, then people will realise but by then it will be too late


Second that! Great post Mira!

Let's be optimistic, if the football clubs go bust the hooligans will just have to play the game themselves. That'll keep them busy.


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Post by Ribisl on 01.06.12 6:59

@mira2 wrote:Father Haynes Hubbard is a wonderful example of corporate business today.
It's a bit of a sweeping statement. Business by definition must make profit and the majority of them will try to do so within ethical bounds. Besides, there is no evidence to suggest that this couple benefited financially by their close association with the McCanns. As for the moral decline within our society I think the rot started earlier with Margaret Thatcher. I remember it well working in the City at the time. But that is another topic and for another day.

Before I run out of time, what I wanted to post was this.
The McCanns were soon attending Haynes Hubbard's weekly services, and Susan Hubbard reached out to Kate McCann. In keeping with her rural Ontario upbringing, she made her approach in that very Canadian way of offering food.

"It's something my mother would always do, being a part of the church community in Canada," Susan said.

More gifts of food followed, and notes, and soon a warm friendship between Susan Hubbard and Kate McCann began.

Susan wants it known that their friendship is not one-sided. She describes how throughout the McCanns' own desperate ordeal, Kate inquired about the Hubbards' children.

"That's how she is," Susan said. "In the middle of her grief, she still is such a caring, loving friend."

In fact, Susan says, it was the McCanns who helped the Hubbards settle in to their new parish. Susan has visited the McCanns since their return to England last September, and the two women keep in close touch through text messages and e-mail.

This is the mentality of the couple, the kind that often prevails within the servants of religious establishments. Furthermore, she gives me the impression of being starstruck by Kate. Her husband too appears to value their 'friendship' above reason, or is he simply so gullible to believe Gerry's every word? After all he must believe in everything his church tell him to believe to be a jolly priest in the first place.

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Re: Interview with Father Haynes Hubbard 5 year on

Post by mira2 on 02.06.12 22:41


mira2 wrote:Father Haynes Hubbard is a wonderful example of corporate business today.
It's a bit of a sweeping statement. Business by definition must make profit and the majority of them will try to do so within ethical bounds. Besides, there is no evidence to suggest that this couple benefited financially by their close association with the McCanns. As for the moral decline within our society I think the rot started earlier with Margaret Thatcher. I remember it well working in the City at the time. But that is another topic and for another day.

Before I run out of time, what I wanted to post was this.

The McCanns were soon attending Haynes Hubbard's weekly services, and Susan Hubbard reached out to Kate McCann. In keeping with her rural Ontario upbringing, she made her approach in that very Canadian way of offering food.

"It's something my mother would always do, being a part of the church community in Canada," Susan said.

More gifts of food followed, and notes, and soon a warm friendship between Susan Hubbard and Kate McCann began.

Susan wants it known that their friendship is not one-sided. She describes how throughout the McCanns' own desperate ordeal, Kate inquired about the Hubbards' children.

"That's how she is," Susan said. "In the middle of her grief, she still is such a caring, loving friend."

In fact, Susan says, it was the McCanns who helped the Hubbards settle in to their new parish. Susan has visited the McCanns since their return to England last September, and the two women keep in close touch through text messages and e-mail.

This is the mentality of the couple, the kind that often prevails within the servants of religious establishments. Furthermore, she gives me the impression of being starstruck by Kate. Her husband too appears to value their 'friendship' above reason, or is he simply so gullible to believe Gerry's every word? After all he must believe in everything his church tell him to believe to be a jolly priest in the first place.

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It has allways been my belief that this case would never be resolved and those involved never punished due to the UK Government of the days medling around that time in secretive contracts that the UK public were not party to, put that in the mix with Portugals leaders EU stance and the bigger picture that is now unfolding. I do not see conspiracy what I see is favors being called in as Kate's uncle stated early on, they turned up in the way of Murdoch.
Now ask yourself this: if your 3 year old disappeared under your watch, would you be joining a media frensy to sell papers, or would you be silently co-operating with the authorities in order to eliminate yourselves from the enquiry and allow the prefessionals to do their job.
I have no qualms about stating that Kate McCann gives me the creeps.

My personal feeling regarding the Hubbards from taking an interest in their arrival and almost miraculous advocates is that whatever order sent them there in the first place deemed that they could capitalise from the outfall.
There has been much hype regarding Kate being a devout Catholic, that hype was put out there by the McCanns own spokesman, even down to Kate being so blessed by the pontief that a butterfly took her fancy.
I can assure you that McCann Inc, PR attempt to turn themselves into some mega stars at the expense of Madeleine fell flat on its first hurdle.
The Vatican is an institution onto itself, it is the richest state on earth, it has emense power, so much so that scandals of child abuse going back decades have never made it to the courts. I come from a devout Catholiic home and became a lapsed Catholic due to the strict teaching. What I will say in favor of the Catholic Church is that it teaches right from wrong and that is something that all kids need to learn.
I hate to come across as cynical, but that is the world we are living in today and there is no point pretending that all is well, these are dangerous times WE need to speak out and get the message out.
P.S. When the Vatican got wind of the history of this couple i.e. IVF over and over again the knew they were being taken for a ride and pulled the plug.
Even though I am a lapsed Catholic I would never dream of going down the road of IVF it is against my core beliefs, if i cannot conceive naturally I adopt.

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Re: Interview with Father Haynes Hubbard 5 year on

Post by Blimunda on 09.06.12 23:39


http://www.theportugalnews.com/cgi-bin/article.pl?id=1168-25


Goodbye from Fr. Haynes
9/6/2012

It’s in the nature of this place for people to come and go. But it doesn’t make it any easier. Not a bit. And now it is our turn, and the goodbyes are being said and the hugs being given and the memories coming to mind and we wonder if we have made the right decision. But we have no choice, not really. It was made abundantly clear in our hearts that, like it or not, other doors were opening, and this door, the door to the sunny Algarve, was slowly closing.

But, just because it is right, doesn’t make it easy. You know that, and I am learning it, and perhaps that is the lesson I might take from five years of living here, in this lovely but quirky place we have come to call home. That living well is a choice. A deliberate, conscious and intentional choice.

I have been asked to speak at the local International School’s final Assembly. I am not at all sure why. I can preach in church, I can speak in public: but to speak to young men and women about to leave school for the adventures life will throw at them: I am very much unsure as to what to say. Unless it would be the same.

Choose to live life well.

That’s what these celebrations the past four days have been all about, as we have toasted Queen Elizabeth in every possible manner and style. For surely it is not simply because she has lived to see this year. That’s no great achievement in itself. No, what we have toasted, and praised, is the way she has done so. With dignity. With honour. With grace. With attention to what she was about. With gravitas, and gentleness. With humour, and yet a tremendous sense of the importance of her office. She is, in every good sense of the word, a Queen.

And she is, I would say to those young people, such by choice.

Which is strange in that that is in a sense not true. She is Queen by accident of her birth. Her uncle stepped aside for her father, who died and left her Queen, as they say. But that is not the end of the story. That is not what we have honoured this past weekend. For we have honoured someone who has chosen, with great deliberation and absolute determination, to live life well.

We need not look far to follow such an example as she has given us.

I have done a lot of funerals since I have been here in the Algarve. Too many, sadly. Yet there is a tremendous honour in doing these services, in getting to hear about the person we are saying goodbye to. Some people are remembered for their wit, their charm, their graces. Others are remembered for other things. It is when I look into the congregation, and see who is there to honour them, that I see what a difference they have made – or not. I see people, of every background and language, coming to say thank you, to God, for the life of this person who has changed their life, for the better. And that, almost always unspoken, is the best tribute I can think of.

That is what I pray I shall have at my funeral (not yet, though, I hope): not flowery words, but quiet statements of honour.

We leave the Algarve, and hope, that although it is not our funeral, nonetheless that we have left, in our tiny way, an opportunity for such quiet statements to be offered. Unsaid, but acknowledged. And we offer them to you, who have made our experience here, in this lovely place we have come to know as home, such a blessed adventure.

In thanksgiving for what the Algarve, and her people, have allowed us to become,

Fr. Haynes Hubbard and his family

June 2012

(Fr. Haynes’ last service as Senior Chaplain of St. Vincent’s church of England Chaplaincy is 17 June 12 noon at Praia da Luz. You would be most welcome indeed to join them as they say goodbye. contact Joyce, on 282 788 104)

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Post by Guest on 15.04.13 12:19

Just reviving this topic as the interview from last year is being discussed again.
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Post by Monty Heck on 15.04.13 22:17

Just posted on the other thread re the Hubbards before realising this one was here. As I said there, IMO the Hubbards seem to have felt it their Christian duty to aid the McCs. In the process it probably did his profile in particular no harm but wouldn't say that was the only reason for embracing the publicity. But which of us would have heard the name Haynes Hubbard otherwise? That the support for the McCs went much further than mere pastoral care was somewhat divisive, not everyone was happy about it and some people were not sorry to see Fr H leave, although there were reasons other than his supporting the McCs. Contrary to what is said in the article, his Algarve stay was not open ended as he was there for a fixed term so it's doubtful he only left because other doors were opening for him. Completely agree with the person who said Mrs H seemed quite star struck; when KMcC made her first visit back to PDL, Mrs H looked as though all her Christmases had come at once.

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