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Post by Guest on 29.03.12 10:15

[color:efec=000000]The parents are still looking for missing Madeleine McCann
[color:efec=000000]TV4play (Sweden)






[color:efec=000000][size=7]Date unknown: Probably morning
of 23 March 2012

6 years ago little Madeleine McCann disappeared during a family holiday in Portugal. Her
parents have not given up hope of finding her alive.



Transcript

26 March 2012
With thanks to A Miller for original transcript
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[color:efec=000000]The McCanns meet Annika Widebeck



[color:efec=000000]Gerry McCann: Hi, Gerry.

Annika
Widebeck: I'm Annika, hi.

Gerry McCann: Nice to meet you.

Kate
McCann:
Hi, Kate.





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[color:efec=000000]Gerry and Kate McCann walking towards cafe



[color:efec=000000]Gerry McCann [voice over]:
I don't think
you can give up, even
when we've been exhausted to the point of saying 'I just want this to
end', you go to bed,
you get up the next day
and you think, 'she's still missing and we still need to find her' and I
think most parents
understand that.

Kate McCann [voice over]: I mean, I... I feel she's out there. I feel that
there's... there's more to come.
I just need it to be soon.





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[color:efec=000000]Kate and Gerry McCann being interviewed


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Annika Widebeck [voice over]:
How convinced are you that she is still alive then?

Gerry McCann: Well, I try to look at it as
logically as possible. What we do know is that there's no
evidence, at all, to suggest that Madeleine's dead
and that means there's a
good chance that she's alive, and as a parent I couldn't accept that
she was dead without
irrefutable evidence
that she is, so...

Kate McCann: And I think we
do know of so many cases now
of children who have
been abducted and have, you know, been away for years and sometimes
decades.

Annika
Widebeck:
Like when you're walking in like a Swedish beautiful weather, do you think about now, at this very
second, she can be some place and wonder about where?

Kate McCann:
I do... It's funny you
mention about the
weather because it's days like this when I think 'oh, what a lovely day'
and that's when
I think 'but this would
be a lovelier day, if Madeleine was here', errm... (big sigh) I do... I
mean... I don't...
I try not to speculate
too much. I really don't know where she is, all I hope for is that
whoever's with her is looking
after her and that she's
happy, and even that is... is, errm... is sad because, you know, the
thought of her being happy
with somebody else, when
she should be with us, and being happy
and, you know, there's no doubt
that a child's best
place is with their
family.

Annika Widebeck: And she's soon turning 9, now right?

Kate McCann: Yeah, she'll be 9 on the 12th of May... yeah.

Annika Widebeck:
So you think about how she could look like now?

Gerry McCann:
We do, and, errr... you know, Amelie
is only 20 months
younger than Madeleine, so we're seeing the twins go past the age that
Madeleine was taken at. We see
her best friend at
school and, errm... and you can't help but think what she would look
like and clearly the developmental
stages of the kids and
their reading and writing and doing all the things that you assume that
you would have been doing with
Madeleine. So these...
these aspects are hard, they're very hard.

Annika Widebeck to camera in Swedish

Gerry McCann:
You know, there was a very clear strategy at work that was, errr...
trying to
convey to the world
that, errr... there was strong evidence that Madeleine was dead and we
were involved and,
in fact, thankfully
the prosecutor's final
report makes it absolutely clear that, you know, there is no evidence
that Madeleine is dead and
there's certainly no
evidence to link us, errr... to implicate us is any way. So...


Kate McCann:
The damage, errm... that
was done with all the media reporting with the lies and speculation and
fabrication and being made
arguido. I think the
damage was ongoing. We've had this in other countries, outside the UK
and Portugal. Unlike the UK
and Portugal, where the
story carried on, some... in other countries it stopped, so it stopped
at the dramatic, 'oh, the
parents are involved'
and then, you know, they moved on to another story really, and all I can
say to people is please,
please read my book.


Annika Widebeck: What's... why is it important for you that people here
in Sweden then, errm... understand more what happened?

Kate McCann:
I mean, I just think the more
people that know
Madeleine's missing and the more people that are aware of her plight,
the more eyes that are looking,
ears that are listening.
Just the greater chance we have of finding Madeleine, you know, people
travel a lot as well these
days, you know, people
communicate over the internet, and you just don't know where that key
bit of information is going
to come from.

Gerry McCann:
Madeleine could have easily been taken out of Portugal within the
first two hours and
that's the problem. We have no idea where she is, we don't know who's
taken her and we don't
know why, so
unfortunately for us we want as much awareness as possible that
Madeleine's missing and obviously with her
looks she could (laughs)
blend into Scandanavia fairly easily.


Annika Widebeck:
But it's...
it's difficult because
you... you have to still keep on playing with the media that did so much
bad to you.

Kate McCann: It is... I mean,
it's... I mean, it's hard but we still do need the media to
help find Madeleine and
that... I hope that the media will... will stop and think at some point
and take responsibility really
because they're
incredibly powerful and they can do so, so much good. I mean we're
talking about children, you know,
and trying to find a
child who's been stolen from their family and, you know, use your power
to good use, you know. That's
all I can say.

Annika Widebeck voice over in Swedish, images from September 2007

Kate
McCann:
I mean,
it was awful. I mean, not only were we going through the pain and the
anxiety of not having Madeleine
with us and not knowing
where she was, suddenly all these stories were appearing and for us the
biggest injustice in all that
was the effect that
would have on the search for Madeleine because if people believed what
was getting written or getting
given to the media,
errm... suggesting that she was dead then they wouldn't look at her or
they wouldn't come forward
with information.

Gerry McCann:
You can understand that when people are fed information that parents
are in suspicious
involve people will want to believe that because they'll want to think
that this will not happen to
them and they'll want to
think that there actually... there isn't actually an abductor out there
and their children
are not at risk but what
happens on the ground is very different. We know now that people in
Portugal, and elsewhere, people
keep their children much
closer to them, and...

Annika Widebeck: Closer than... than in the UK?

Gerry McCann:
I think certainly there's been remakably few child abductions since
Madeleine was
taken
and I think people
are more aware, and one of the things we've tried to do throughout the
last 5 years is not look
back because you can't
change what's happened
. We're more interested in what can still be done
and... and at this
minute, and following
Kate's book launched last year, the Metropolitan Police are now
reviewing the case and working with
a... a new team in
Portugal and that's much much more important about discredited former
officers.


Annika
Widebeck:
Tell me how far away was this restaurant?

Gerry McCann:
I mean it was incredibly
close. I think if you
had to draw a straight line from the restaurant to the apartment it was
50 metres. It never entered
our head for a second
that somebody would steal your child, it was the furthest thing from
your mind, so...

Annika
Widebeck:
And still you hear this all the time why did you leave them... right?

Kate McCann:
I mean, there's only so
many times we can answer the question and, you know, I've had to.. you
know
, I've persecuted
myself with that, you
know
, obviously... (sigh) I can't change it, I know how much we love
Madeleine, you know, and at
the end of the day the
person who has taken Madeleine is the one who has committed the crime
and, errr... and that's who
we need to find.

Annika Widebeck: So how do you see the future - will you ever put some sort of
end of this?

Kate McCann:
I think until we find Madeleine, find out what's happened, then
that won't be possible
and I... I don't think any parent could, you know, it's not something
that you can switch
off from, it's not...
it's your child, you know, that bond is too strong. You don't know if
it's because you're
the mother that you...
you just want it so badly, that's why it feels but I know there's
nothing telling me to stop,
you know, and I... as I
say I can talk to her like she's there, and she's coming back, and I
just want it to be soon.



Oh really!
And this after Gerry's admitting there was Maddies DNA in the hire car, see the other TV interview!
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Post by tigger on 29.03.12 13:15

What with Wallander and Beck as their hero detectives - I'm rather hoping the Swedes are bright enough to see through this.

Gerry's logic is somewhat shaky, a bad habit for a consultant cardiologist.

It's a bit like the syllogisms we went through last week:

Madeleine is missing
missing doesn't mean she's dead
Madeleine isn't dead

He knows he's perfectly safe stating that unless he gets evidence that she's dead, he will not believe she' s dead. He knows the chances of finding her body are nearly zero and can feel quite safe saying that she's alive until it's proved otherwise. He can however never stop smirking as he says that, so like to outwit one, doesn't he, our Ger.


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Post by Guest on 29.03.12 13:46

tigger wrote:What with Wallander and Beck as their hero detectives - I'm rather hoping the Swedes are bright enough to see through this.

Gerry's logic is somewhat shaky, a bad habit for a consultant cardiologist.

It's a bit like the syllogisms we went through last week:

Madeleine is missing
missing doesn't mean she's dead
Madeleine isn't dead

He knows he's perfectly safe stating that unless he gets evidence that she's dead, he will not believe she' s dead. He knows the chances of finding her body are nearly zero and can feel quite safe saying that she's alive until it's proved otherwise. He can however never stop smirking as he says that, so like to outwit one, doesn't he, our Ger.


Funny, no one seems to react to GMs admission in the other interview that 'obviously' MCs DNA was found in the car. Not: apparently, or, according to somebodies' say-so; but very clearly, on camera: obviously (= of course, for all to see)

The McCs don't seem capable of putting two correct phrases together between them. But then, neither could the rest of their friends. Strange place, where you can become a (locum) GP without speaking proper english. Let alone become a cardiac consultant. Or are they just pretending, muddying the waters in order to derail the rest of us?

And isn't it strange how they keep answering questions which havn't even been asked?
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Post by Spaniel on 29.03.12 14:39

The door slamming scenario is so easily provable, so has it been done? That doesn't require a reconstruction of T9. More "may we borrow your flat for a few hours"?

The Swedish interview was the first I'd read, that the door was left open to allow light in. I'd always assumed that it was not to make a noise on opening it.

The light then, would have fallen across the twin's cots and toward the window. Madeleine's bed would still have been in darkness. So wouldn't the T9 checker have seen the window/curtains altered as the light was directed that way?

Maybe not, as the light may have fallen short before reaching the window. Only PJ could know such things.

If I were out to steal a child, I'd pick one that I could see, not one in total darkness as Maddie was, and how did he know she was there behind the door, in the dark?

I would have picked up the child bathed in light, the first available, and be gone!!

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Post by tigger on 29.03.12 15:09

Portia wrote:
tigger wrote:What with Wallander and Beck as their hero detectives - I'm rather hoping the Swedes are bright enough to see through this.

Gerry's logic is somewhat shaky, a bad habit for a consultant cardiologist.

It's a bit like the syllogisms we went through last week:

Madeleine is missing
missing doesn't mean she's dead
Madeleine isn't dead

He knows he's perfectly safe stating that unless he gets evidence that she's dead, he will not believe she' s dead. He knows the chances of finding her body are nearly zero and can feel quite safe saying that she's alive until it's proved otherwise. He can however never stop smirking as he says that, so like to outwit one, doesn't he, our Ger.


Funny, no one seems to react to GMs admission in the other interview that 'obviously' MCs DNA was found in the car. Not: apparently, or, according to somebodies' say-so; but very clearly, on camera: obviously (= of course, for all to see)

The McCs don't seem capable of putting two correct phrases together between them. But then, neither could the rest of their friends. Strange place, where you can become a (locum) GP without speaking proper english. Let alone become a cardiac consultant. Or are they just pretending, muddying the waters in order to derail the rest of us?

And isn't it strange how they keep answering questions which havn't even been asked?

I did react to that remark, Portia. I said that Gerry tried to make out that DNA was like smarties as if DNA of different individuals could not be separated when mixed.
I have no very high opinion of doctors, these two certainly didn't go into the profession for ideological reasons and quite a few below average slip through the net. Doesn't look good for a university to fail too many students.
So the obviously present DNA of Maddie in the car, Gerry is saying, is because of the mix of his and Kate's DNA in the boot. Now how the hell did that get there? Both handling the dirty nappies? Both handling the rotting meat?

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Post by Truthmustout on 30.12.13 20:36

The interview on youtube,for those that can't get the original vid watched at 4play. I for one had not seen this interview before. I saw a picture in there of Madeleine in some pirate costume, cant remember seeing that before either.. Always interresting to see Mccann in action, their words and body language tells a lot imo. 


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Post by NickE on 31.12.13 19:37

tigger wrote:What with Wallander and Beck as their hero detectives - I'm rather hoping the Swedes are bright enough to see through this.

Gerry's logic is somewhat shaky, a bad habit for a consultant cardiologist.

It's a bit like the syllogisms we went through last week:

Madeleine is missing
missing doesn't mean she's dead
Madeleine isn't dead

He knows he's perfectly safe stating that unless he gets evidence that she's dead, he will not believe she' s dead. He knows the chances of finding her body are nearly zero and can feel quite safe saying that she's alive until it's proved otherwise. He can however never stop smirking as he says that, so like to outwit one, doesn't he, our Ger.


Iám from Stockholm,Sweden.
We talk about this case at work and with friends and no one I know believes what McCann's saying.
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Post by bobbin on 31.12.13 21:32

Truthmustout wrote:The interview on youtube,for those that can't get the original vid watched at 4play. I for one had not seen this interview before. I saw a picture in there of Madeleine in some pirate costume, cant remember seeing that before either.. Always interresting to see Mccann in action, their words and body language tells a lot imo. 

Your message caused me to go and look at the video to see that picture. I noticed at 02.29, that Maddie has no coloboma, or if present, very slight, and at 6 o'clock. Colobomas cannot move position.
If someone can enlarge the picture to check if I'm correct. I can't seem to copy it to make it larger.
If I'm correct, then that saying 'The devil is in the detail' would spring to mind.

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Post by tigger on 31.12.13 21:39

You're spot on. Next to nothing there. Greenish iris where normally the colobomai is. Possibly hint of a fleck at six o'clock but not a black one.
Iirc there used to be a video on youtube detailing all the changes and the occasional absence of the coloboma.  

Happy and presumably quiet New Year to you!  roses

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Post by bobbin on 31.12.13 21:47

Spaniel wrote:The door slamming scenario is so easily provable, so has it been done? That doesn't require a reconstruction of T9. More "may we borrow your flat for a few hours"?

The Swedish interview was the first I'd read, that the door was left open to allow light in. I'd always assumed that it was not to make a noise on opening it.

The light then, would have fallen across the twin's cots and toward the window. Madeleine's bed would still have been in darkness. So wouldn't the  T9 checker have seen the window/curtains altered as the light was directed that way?

Maybe not, as the light may have fallen short before reaching the window. Only PJ could know such things.

If I were out to steal a child, I'd pick one that I could see, not one in total darkness as Maddie was, and how did he know she was there behind the door, in the dark?

I would have picked up the child bathed in light, the first available, and be gone!!
The door in 5a opens with the hinge on the right. This would make the lounge/hall light fall firstly, onto Maddie's bed, the first thing you would see on opening the door. The twins would only be in eye shot once the door was almost fully open.
The door opening on right hinges would enable Gerry to have his 'proud parent' moment, but would not permit Matthew Oldfield, who claims not to have opened the door, to 'see the twins breathing' but 'not see' Maddie.
They can't have it both ways. Furthermore, if the shutter was up, as Kate claimed, Kate would also have had light from the window added to the light from the hall on Maddie's bed. So if Gerry could see Maddie for that wonderful moment then Kate should have been even more able than Gerry to be able to make out the difference between Maddie and 'her bedding'.
It's all an avalanche of porkies. Here's hoping that enough police have enough self pride to overcome any hypothetical pressure from above that might try to whitewash this investigation.  spin 

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Post by tigger on 31.12.13 21:56

bobbin wrote:
Spaniel wrote:The door slamming scenario is so easily provable, so has it been done? That doesn't require a reconstruction of T9. More "may we borrow your flat for a few hours"?

The Swedish interview was the first I'd read, that the door was left open to allow light in. I'd always assumed that it was not to make a noise on opening it.

The light then, would have fallen across the twin's cots and toward the window. Madeleine's bed would still have been in darkness. So wouldn't the  T9 checker have seen the window/curtains altered as the light was directed that way?

Maybe not, as the light may have fallen short before reaching the window. Only PJ could know such things.

If I were out to steal a child, I'd pick one that I could see, not one in total darkness as Maddie was, and how did he know she was there behind the door, in the dark?

I would have picked up the child bathed in light, the first available, and be gone!!
The door in 5a opens with the hinge on the right. This would make the lounge/hall light fall firstly, onto Maddie's bed, the first thing you would see on opening the door. The twins would only be in eye shot once the door was almost fully open.
The door opening on right hinges would enable Gerry to have his 'proud parent' moment, but would not permit Matthew Oldfield, who claims not to have opened the door, to 'see the twins breathing' but 'not see' Maddie.
They can't have it both ways. Furthermore, if the shutter was up, as Kate claimed, Kate would also have had light from the window added to the light from the hall on Maddie's bed. So if Gerry could see Maddie for that wonderful moment then Kate should have been even more able than Gerry to be able to make out the difference between Maddie and 'her bedding'.
It's all an avalanche of porkies. Here's hoping that enough police have enough self pride to overcome any hypothetical pressure from above that might try to whitewash this investigation.  spin 

Someone else recently posted that Kate's little mime 'could she see Madeleine, or were those the blankets etc' is nonsense in view of the available light and the fact that the bed was flat as a pancake.

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Post by bobbin on 31.12.13 22:02

tigger wrote:You're spot on. Next to nothing there. Greenish iris where normally the colobomai is. Possibly hint of a fleck at six o'clock but not a black one.
Iirc there used to be a video on youtube detailing all the changes and the occasional absence of the coloboma.  

Happy and presumably quiet New Year to you!  roses
Thank you for that confirmation. 2014 will hopefully show this pair for what they are. Goodness knows what happened to Maddie, but one way or the other, she will have her justice.
Re 'at home, alone' on 31st Dec. Yes, by choice.   Mrs 
I hate all the sham, raucous, boozy, noise when for me (a desperate sun-worshipper currently surrounded by frost and snow) the New Year starts on 21st Dec. as soon as the days start to get longer. What better start to the New Year.
So, Old Misery Guts here, by choice, here's wishing you tigger, and everyone, a Happy New Year and may this be the year that a little girl is finally given her grace.  roses 

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Post by russiandoll on 31.12.13 22:20

Don't call yourself misery guts, bobbin ! I too am alone by choice, tired out after cooking twice for family recent days, son and daughter doing own thing, made a nice meal, listened to some music, watched some tv, poured a Black Russian and am now online for a while before I do something else then step outdoors at midnight to welcome in the new year and give good wishes to neighbours....live near the sea and will hear lots of foghorns and see fireworks at the strike of 12.

 a very happy 2014 to you and everyone else on the forum.

 Yes....justice for Maddie in this new year....please.



 

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