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Matthew Oldfield's Rogatory interview - snippets

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Post by Guest on 07.02.12 11:16

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MATTHEW-OLDFIELD-ROGATORY.htm

Due to an enforced break from here, all thanks to my ISP cutting me off for no aparent reason, I had plenty of time on my hands to study this statement. It contains some very interesting things IMO. Here is one;

“Some of us had been to MARK WARNER, various MARK WARNER resorts before, we'd been to the Greek one in Lemnos, originally before G***e was born, it was just a last minute deal and it was great, it was all inclusive, we all like sport, and sunshine and it was sort of all inclusive and it was just a very, sort of relaxing sort of place to go, so we went out there and we were quite keen to do that again because everybody in the group is pretty sporty, and if you have a lot of people together you can share sort of the child care arrangements and it's also very relaxing for everybody. Because when we went to Greece it was like the fastest holiday I'd ever been on because there was only about an hour when they were asleep at lunch each day and a couple of hours in the evening where you were actually sort off child care duties, so the week went by in about sort of six hours, it was all sort of, it was very quick”.

If Matthew Oldfield's first born child was not even with him on that holiday, why on earth would he be sharing childcare duties with everyone else?
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Post by Guest on 07.02.12 11:27

4078 "So if you can tell me what you remember from when you arrived at the resort?"

Reply "I mean, we'd sort of came in by (inaudible) and we arrived, we got on the bus, we were allocated rooms on the bus, that's a question that's been asked before, so we had the choice about where we were going to stay, we'd had the keys with our names on it, we pulled outside the entrance to the Tapas Bar in the bus and MARK WARNER staff sort of met us and took the luggage and helped us get it up to the room, we must have arrived around lunchtime”

They had a choice where they would like to stay.
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Post by Guest on 07.02.12 11:34

“because I haven't mentioned Dave and Fi who were five 'H', I think five 'H'".

4078 "Yeah, I think that sounds about right".

Reply "And you'd go up the stairs to them, they were the only people on the next floor up, and that's because they had, no, but that's just where their apartment was, they weren't next to us"

What was Matthew about to say when he stopped himself here "that's because they had...." had what? How did he know they were the only ones up there? He knew Mrs Fenn was up there and right next door, surely? How could he have known that there was no one else right up the other end of the first floor? Did he go and look?
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Post by Guest on 07.02.12 11:59

“Gerry and Kate put their kids back into the crèche each afternoon. David and Fi were a bit more sort of varied about it. And I think Russell and Jane also kept Evie and Ella out, so we'd often pop round to their apartment"”.

If you look at the creche records, Ella was there every afternoon. Or was she ??
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Post by Guest on 07.02.12 12:06

00.33.07
4078 "So you were just going to cover the arrangements that had been put in place for checking on the children?"

Reply "Right. And so the Tapas seemed to fit because, because you didn't feel far away from the room, it felt so quiet and very safe and it was sort of a minutes walk, if that actual distance seemed quite, you were sort of falsely reassured, but obviously at this point you could see the back of your apartment, not hugely clearly, but you can sort of see the apartment block, you could see if the light came on, for instance, or you felt that you'd be able to see if the light came on and because we were sort of going what we thought was every sort of ten or fifteen minutes, basically between courses, then you could go. And rather than go and find another restaurant where not everybody would be able to go because somebody would need to be babysitting, it seemed most sensible just to, to stay put in the same place, because the food was pretty reasonable and just trekking everywhere else was going to make it such a headache for the child care.

This is where Matthew tells us what was really going on that week.
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Post by Guest on 07.02.12 12:20

4078 "What about in the evenings when you were going back to check on Grace, do you recall some of the other people around?"

Reply "No, there'd be rarely, rarely anybody about, maybe an occasional one person. Was he, was it the chap, whose name I can't remember, he had a child who was willing to be part of, or was being suggested for the interview, Jeremy, Jeremy or somebody?"

00.43.49 4078 "Yeah".


Something tells me that O'Donnell and Wilkens must have been the ones, who were going to use their child in the reconstruction. What else could there child be willing to be a part of?
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Post by Guest on 07.02.12 12:26

00.47.07 4078 "As you got to know Gerry and Kate how did you find them?"

Reply "Yeah, they're, I mean, they're very similar sort of people. I mean, they were absolute, they absolutely loved their kids and there's no question to any of us that they had anything to do with this. They were appropriate, friendly, they had the same, I mean, we're all medics, so you've got that in common anyway. But, yeah, I mean, you see them on the cameras on TV and they're all sort of, they are all sort of very, very sort of focussed, very, sort of (inaudible) but they know what they want and they can explain it, they are articulate. I mean, he's a, sort of an academic sort of medic, so, it's sort of a competitive field where you compete for grants and staff and all that sort of thing, so you need to know what you're doing, you need to be sort of fairly on the ball and that's just how he is, I mean, it's just, if he's got a project, he's sort of very focussed and sort of fairly, fairly driven.

So Gerry is not just any old NHS Cardiologist by the sounds of things.
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Post by Guest on 07.02.12 12:31

“I saw more of Gerry when we were playing sort of football and things. But, yeah, just a normal. I mean, he'd done quite a lot of sports on a Wednesday night particularly and when we went to the bar after we spent a lot of time talking about sort of, could it have been slightly different could I have been a professional footballer, this is how, I enjoyed it and how far I got and we talked about sort of what I'd done and there was quite a lot in common with that”.

A lot in common? Was Gerry thinking of becoming a footballer then?
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Post by Guest on 07.02.12 12:36

00.54.53

4078 "So can you just mark on there for me your route between the Tapas and your apartment? Did you always take the same route?"



Reply "No, because during the day, if somebody was in the apartment, we'd go back through the patio doors, we'd just leave them open, if somebody was in, but at night we didn't

If Carole Tranmer saw a blonde man leaving the rear gate then, it's a safe bet that he had just left their apartment. Matt or Rachel must know who he is.
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Post by Guest on 07.02.12 12:43

Matthew talks of a blonde fella playing tennis.

00.07.20 4078

"Was that you, David and".

Reply "Russell".

4078 "Russell".

Reply "It was men's social. So we went back up, back to, well I went back to the apartment, got the tennis gear and back onto the courts or back to the courts area, and the other guys went to get their stuff. I think Dave said that he'd been to the apartment, but I don't know that for definite, that's just something I think has come out, I didn't know anything about that. So we went, got our stuff and came back to the courts, which were already in play, because the social had already started. And Gerry was down playing on a court, I think there was only three of them, I think the coach, whose name I can't remember, the tennis coach, the blonde haired bloke, was playing to make up the numbers.
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Post by Guest on 07.02.12 12:50

“so I told Rach, I'll have whatever it was, I think it was probably sardines because they were pretty good, so I put my order in for her to order if the waiter came back and went to try and sort of chivvy them along. But as I was leaving the Tapas area and their light going off and knowing that they were coming down and on their way, and on my way up, about at that top corner before you turn left to get round the back, as you go up the top of the hill, we sort of passed on the way down and they were on their way to the restaurant, but it seemed a bit silly not to go ahead and just sort of check on Grace, even though we'd only been down there about fifteen minutes”

If he was still in the restaurant when he saw their light go off, he did not need to go and check on his daughter. He had just left her, so that's ridiculous.
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Post by Guest on 07.02.12 12:58

00.12.40

4078 "And you said that, obviously you spoke about some previous interviews?"

Reply "Yeah".

4078 "And you are confident the shutter was down?"

Reply "Yeah, absolutely".

4078 "Is that because you can remember seeing it down or because you just think you would have noticed if it hadn't have been down?"

Reply "I'm pretty sure I saw them down".

4078 "And when you listened outside the room where Madeleine was?"

Reply "Yeah".

4078 "How close would you have got to the shutter?"

Reply "I'd have been about a foot away, because, I mean, the shutters, you're not sure how well you're going to hear something through, so my ear wouldn't have been pressed against the two, but, it would have been sort of about a foot or so".

4078 "And how long would you have listened for outside that particular window?"

Reply "Five or ten seconds".



His ear was a foot away from the shutter and he's "pretty sure he sawthem down".
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Post by uppatoffee on 07.02.12 14:09

[quote="Stella"]appropriate, friendly, they had the same, I mean, we're all medics, so you've got that in common.

What an odd adjective to use to describe your friends. "Appropriate" is that the best he can come up with? Weird. wft
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Post by Guest on 14.02.12 9:57

Stella wrote:4078 "So if you can tell me what you remember from when you arrived at the resort?"

Reply "I mean, we'd sort of came in by (inaudible) and we arrived, we got on the bus, we were allocated rooms on the bus, that's a question that's been asked before, so we had the choice about where we were going to stay, we'd had the keys with our names on it, we pulled outside the entrance to the Tapas Bar in the bus and MARK WARNER staff sort of met us and took the luggage and helped us get it up to the room, we must have arrived around lunchtime”

They had a choice where they would like to stay.

Just thinking about this comment once again. If all of the front doors to the apartments were accessed via the car park and they already had the keys, why did they need to be dropped off outside the Tapas bar, quite some distance away for everyone?
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Post by Angelique on 14.02.12 11:11

If I recall they were all given a form of "Welcome to OC" and given details of what was on offer then they all went off to find their chosen apartments.

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Post by Angelique on 14.02.12 11:18

Stella wrote:“because I haven't mentioned Dave and Fi who were five 'H', I think five 'H'".

4078 "Yeah, I think that sounds about right".

Reply "And you'd go up the stairs to them, they were the only people on the next floor up, and that's because they had, no, but that's just where their apartment was, they weren't next to us"

What was Matthew about to say when he stopped himself here "that's because they had...." had what? How did he know they were the only ones up there? He knew Mrs Fenn was up there and right next door, surely? How could he have known that there was no one else right up the other end of the first
floor? Did he go and look?

I am glad that you have started this discussion about MO's statement as I read them some time ago and have always been intrigued by his "slips" - he is very obvious.

I think he was going to say " and that's because they had the biggest apartment". IMO it was arranged to be so. It needed to be above ground level so if children were ferried there no one would notice.

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Post by Nina on 14.02.12 11:31

Angelique wrote:
Stella wrote:“because I haven't mentioned Dave and Fi who were five 'H', I think five 'H'".

4078 "Yeah, I think that sounds about right".

Reply "And you'd go up the stairs to them, they were the only people on the next floor up, and that's because they had, no, but that's just where their apartment was, they weren't next to us"

What was Matthew about to say when he stopped himself here "that's because they had...." had what? How did he know they were the only ones up there? He knew Mrs Fenn was up there and right next door, surely? How could he have known that there was no one else right up the other end of the first
floor? Did he go and look?

I am glad that you have started this discussion about MO's statement as I read them some time ago and have always been intrigued by his "slips" - he is very obvious.

I think he was going to say " and that's because they had the biggest apartment". IMO it was arranged to be so. It needed to be above ground level so if children were ferried there no one would notice.

Hi Angelique, Not arguing just cannot imagine it being preferable to cart each child up there along with requirements. However the Mccanns had two bedrooms and a ground floor place so easier if a communal creche was required.

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Post by Guest on 14.02.12 11:33

Angelique wrote:If I recall they were all given a form of "Welcome to OC" and given details of what was on offer then they all went off to find their chosen apartments.

This is from Matt's interview:

Reply "I think, I mean, they would have had to settle into their, and not particularly clearly at this stage, but, I mean, the, that evening, in terms of what was going to happen and where we were going to get food, slightly different, in that, they did an arrival meet and greet at the Millennium Restaurant, which was slightly distant from the apartment complex, rather than the Tapas, the Tapas was closed for that night and there was also an opportunity to meet sort of the child care people and all of the sort of sports and activities people”.
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Post by Guest on 14.02.12 11:43

Angelique wrote:
Stella wrote:“because I haven't mentioned Dave and Fi who were five 'H', I think five 'H'".

4078 "Yeah, I think that sounds about right".

Reply "And you'd go up the stairs to them, they were the only people on the next floor up, and that's because they had, no, but that's just where their apartment was, they weren't next to us"

What was Matthew about to say when he stopped himself here "that's because they had...." had what? How did he know they were the only ones up there? He knew Mrs Fenn was up there and right next door, surely? How could he have known that there was no one else right up the other end of the first
floor? Did he go and look?

I am glad that you have started this discussion about MO's statement as I read them some time ago and have always been intrigued by his "slips" - he is very obvious.

I think he was going to say " and that's because they had the biggest apartment". IMO it was arranged to be so. It needed to be above ground level so if children were ferried there no one would notice.

Could be Angelique, but how about this version, "and that's because they had"...already booked a 2 bedroom apartment and we didn't. So all the rest of us got one on arrival and as there are no 1 bedroom apartments up there, we had to be seen to be given ones on the ground floor to tie up with the MW records.

I'm only going by what Fiona said, in that they were the only ones to book a 2 bedroom.
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Post by russiandoll on 14.02.12 12:16

I can't believe this even after numerous re-reads


“No, it was just, you could just see the shape and bits of breathing”.

4078

“Okay”.

Reply

“I mean, I, for some reason I imagine that the children’s heads were towards the, towards the window, but I don’t know whether that’s just because I assume that’s the way I would put them down”.
00.36.22

4078

“Yeah”.

Reply

“Because I’ve seen it. I don’t think I could see that much, the view”.

4078

“You can’t remember?”

Reply

“You could see the shapes and you could see they were breathing, you’d stop and look and you could see they were sort of breathing, but in terms of sort of features and standing over and seeing where their heads were, and I couldn’t say whether it was Sean or Amelie that was closest, it was just sort of, erm, sort of children in cots”.


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Post by russiandoll on 14.02.12 12:23

Erm, but, you know, there was nothing, it didn’t feel odd when you went into the, erm, into the apartment, it was sort of quiet and, you know, sort of comfortably sort of dark”.

and sort of comfortably sort of warm was he asked, as the window would have been open on a cold windy evening for how many minutes at this stage, given the time of the allged abduction? this the night JT wore a jacket and Kate had layers on at dinner?


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Post by Guest on 14.02.12 13:12

Precisely russiandoll, at 9.30 after Tanner sees her vision, all is OK in that bedroom according to Matt.
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Post by Angelique on 15.02.12 3:13

Stellla

Have just found this on http://goncaloamaraltruthofthelie.blogspot.com/2009/06/chapter-2.html
Via - Gerry McCanns Abuse of Power


MADDIE: A VERDADE DA MENTIRA

Chapter 2

MADELEINE BETH McCANN'S HOLIDAY

Saturday April 28th

GOING BACK TO THE OCEAN CLUB

On the day of arrival at the Ocean Club, a small welcome ceremony is organised at the Tapas restaurant, from 5pm - 6.30pm. Everybody participates, including the children, who spend their time enjoying themselves in the play area. After this reception, the holiday-makers go to the Millenium restaurant, situated nearly 2 kilometres from the apartments, at the entrance to the village of Luz. It's a long way and Gerald and Kate have to carry the twins. Madeleine walks all the way. Between 7 and 8pm, they dine in the restaurant with other members of the group. The return journey is also on foot. At 9pm, the children are in bed. This is how the first rather tiring day goes. The parents realise that it won't be easy to walk that distance every day at meal times and start to consider other alternatives.

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Summary of Matt's holiday from the Rogatory Statement

Post by uppatoffee on 15.02.12 8:09

Saturday - Wednesday
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Saturday

“we pulled outside the entrance to the Tapas Bar in the bus and MARK WARNER staff sort of met us and took the luggage and helped us get it up to the room, erm, we must have arrived around lunchtime”
“I think on that first day we popped down to the Supermarket”
“I think we were then unpacking in the rooms when, erm, the rest of the guys arrived and they came in by taxi so they actually pulled into the car park at the back, I remember going out to sort of meet them and say hello to them".
“I think at about four o'clock we also went poolside, four or five o'clock, and that's where you met the Nannies who'd be looking after, you know, the children the next day”
“we all ate that evening at the Millennium with, erm, with the kids, except, erm, expect I was feeling unwell so I didn't each much but I was still at the Restaurant that night".

Sunday
"I didn't do much outside the apartment and certainly in the evening I didn't go for, erm, didn't go for dinner with everybody else". (Ill in apartment)

Monday
"Erm, what I did on Monday, I don't know, I would have tried to get out on the water at some point and I'm sure we'd have played tennis".

Tuesday
"Erm, no, I don't remember anything specific about, about that day. " "I think I'd have gone down there to sail."

Wednesday
"Erm, I remember I went running with Kate at lunchtime, she's quite a good runner...I think it'd be about three or four miles, maybe each way".

“The Wednesday, one of the days I went out with Russell and we just bobbed about on the kayaks because, and I think that was either a Monday or a Tuesday.”

He is incredibly vague and inarticulate about what he has been doing and there are large gaps where he is not accounted for.
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Post by uppatoffee on 15.02.12 8:14

"It was men's social. Erm, so we went back up, erm, back to, well I went back to the apartment, got the tennis gear and back onto the courts or back to the courts area, erm, and the other guys went to get their stuff. Erm, and I think Dave said that he'd been to the apartment, but I don't know that for definite, that's just something I think has come out, I didn't know anything about that.”


Poor old Matt he does get himself in a pickle. It seems like he has been told the story that he has to put across and he's trying hard to do this! He is describing how he, Russell and Dave went back to get their stuff and get changed so they could go to the Men's social tennis. The use of the word 'the' is odd, because where else would Dave go if not to his apartment to get changed?
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