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Post by worriedmum on 22.01.12 19:05

There are posts on this site with photographs of Parkinsons drugs for use by Bryan Healy stating they were found in 'the apartment'. Is there anyone out there who can tell me whether this is the first apt (5a) or the one they were moved to?
When did Bryan Healy arrive in PdL?
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Post by Praia on 22.01.12 19:07

This was later on after they left 5A, Mr and Mrs Healy arrived on the 4th.

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Post by worriedmum on 22.01.12 19:10

Thank you. Is there any explanation for why the drugs were in the second apartment? Were the parents staying there? Where is this recorded(if anywhere?)
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Post by Praia on 22.01.12 19:23

I think it was in Healy's bewk that she says the family bunked down as much as they could in the new apt. and they were given another to use as an office.

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Post by sharonl on 22.01.12 21:13

worriedmum wrote:There are posts on this site with photographs of Parkinsons drugs for use by Bryan Healy stating they were found in 'the apartment'. Is there anyone out there who can tell me whether this is the first apt (5a) or the one they were moved to?
When did Bryan Healy arrive in PdL?

I was just about to upload a video for you. It was in Portuguese, but it showed the McCanns apartment, all the books that they had somehow acquired, the medication and what looked like a shrine with Madeleines photo, a cross and rosary beads. It seems that the video is no longer available in the UK for legal reasons. Maybe someone else can access it, or perhaps you have seen the video anyway.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akIDiz5Rv_c

http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2008/09/exclusive-new-videos-madeleine-mccann.html


Antena3 Article: The McCanns kept numerous medicines which provoked sleepiness

New Exclusive Images of the Report
Madrid, Espejo Público [an Antena3 TV Show]

Given the repeated denial of the British police to send different reports about the married couple, the Portuguese police made a profile searching throughout the McCanns second house, in Praia da Luz.

This way, officers accompanied by two police psychologists, carry out a meticulous search in the main bedroom [the parents’ bedroom].

In a case of abduction, the family circle is always investigated. The police were surprised on having seen the bedroom. Kate seems to be mourning. In her small bedside table are many photos of Maddy [sic] surrounded with rosaries and a Bible, which had bookmarked, with a picture a fragment of the Old Testament in which it could be read: " “However, because by this deed you have given occasion to the enemies of the LORD to blaspheme, the child also that is born to you shall surely die” [2 Samuel 12:14]".

At the other side of the bed, on Gerry's bedside table the attention is given to, between other books, “The interpretation of Murder ". In the study [office space] where Gerry writes his blog and where he works at the campaign to find his daughter, another surprise: CEOP manuals, books with access restricted to police and governmental entities.

Before this discovery, Mark Harrison, the British police officer sent from the United Kingdom to coordinate the case, does not give credit. He wonders how many married couples had access to these manuals, which are exclusively reserved to police officers.

The Portuguese Officers confirm in this way their suspicions regarding the contacts which are provided to the McCanns, which for them is translated in a big political pressure that to their judgement, limits the investigation.

Also, the police find numerous medicines, which they examine in search of these sedatives that they fear that were given to the children by the McCanns on the night of the 3rd of May. They also register the side effects caused by the medicines that they find, and verify that the majority of them provoke sleepiness. They examine as well the drawers, closets, as well as the twins’ room and that no longer sleep in cots but in beds.

The final report of the process, in contrast to the images included in the same report, state that independently of the curious and morbid conclusions, the only fact that one can determine, as such, is the disparate behaviour of the couple at the time of facing Madeleine's disappearance.

Source: Antena3 (Spanish)


Related: Madeleine McCann the Facts in the Beginning (SOL article)

3. In the Vista Mar villa (rented by the McCanns)

a) cadaver odour, detected by the dogs on clothes that belong to Kate, and on the pink soft toy

b) an English book, normally used by police, that focuses on the different types of crimes, as well as on what clues should be looked for to identify its perpetrators

c) a bible, on Kate’s bedside table, open at the Old Testament, at the passage that tells the death of King David’s son (God punished David with the death of his son, in order to force him away from sin and to return onto the path of good)

d) Kate’s diary, in which she writes about daily difficulties, in dealing with her children


Flash News for tomorrow/today

24 Horas : PJ searches Madeleine pictures in Paedophile Files /Brazilian senator brings various Horrible files

Note this has to do with the recent co-operation between the Brazilian Federal Police and the Portuguese Judiciary Police.



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Post by finch on 22.01.12 22:42

I believe the McCanns were warned that this search was coming. My question as always....... why did they leave the medication and the books for the PJ to find? I sometimes think they wanted to be suspects.

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Post by sharonl on 22.01.12 22:54

finch wrote:I believe the McCanns were warned that this search was coming. My question as always....... why did they leave the medication and the books for the PJ to find? I sometimes think they wanted to be suspects.

Hi Finch

I don't know whether there was any truth in it but there were rumours of a mole within the PJ who was keeping the McCanns informed about the course of the investigation.

This is off topic sorry, if anyone wants to discuss this we should open a new thread.

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Post by tigger on 23.01.12 7:16

finch wrote:I believe the McCanns were warned that this search was coming. My question as always....... why did they leave the medication and the books for the PJ to find? I sometimes think they wanted to be suspects.

If they were warned the whole little shrine to Maddie was just to show how devoted and religious Kate is. Probably more for the family that was visiting all the time - would give the message that the version of events most of the family were told was true. Hence also the religious fervour of the two.

The books Gerry was reading - well he could always say the PJ was useless and he'd requested them to do his own research.

I think there were no medicines at all present in 5a. The PJ specifically looked for them. So they were back in the villa.

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Post by finch on 23.01.12 8:33

tigger wrote:
finch wrote:I believe the McCanns were warned that this search was coming. My question as always....... why did they leave the medication and the books for the PJ to find? I sometimes think they wanted to be suspects.

If they were warned the whole little shrine to Maddie was just to show how devoted and religious Kate is. Probably more for the family that was visiting all the time - would give the message that the version of events most of the family were told was true. Hence also the religious fervour of the two.

The books Gerry was reading - well he could always say the PJ was useless and he'd requested them to do his own research.

I think there were no medicines at all present in 5a. The PJ specifically looked for them. So they were back in the villa.

I'm with you on the shrine and maybe the books too, but the medicines? They knew by then that the PJ suspected them of sedating the children. Arrogance again? Stupidity?

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Post by worriedmum on 23.01.12 10:06

Thank you all for your help and input on this. I tried to open the video links but couldn't. I am shocked that VIDEOS have been removed due to 'legal complaints'. Who on earth would want to censor a video recording of a room? What is the reason? How does it harm anyone if it is merely a record of something?????? I'm flabbergasted....
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Post by russiandoll on 23.01.12 13:36

finch wrote:
tigger wrote:
finch wrote:I believe the McCanns were warned that this search was coming. My question as always....... why did they leave the medication and the books for the PJ to find? I sometimes think they wanted to be suspects.

If they were warned the whole little shrine to Maddie was just to show how devoted and religious Kate is. Probably more for the family that was visiting all the time - would give the message that the version of events most of the family were told was true. Hence also the religious fervour of the two.

The books Gerry was reading - well he could always say the PJ was useless and he'd requested them to do his own research.

I think there were no medicines at all present in 5a. The PJ specifically looked for them. So they were back in the villa.

I'm with you on the shrine and maybe the books too, but the medicines? They knew by then that the PJ suspected them of sedating the children. Arrogance again? Stupidity?

any record of who meds were prescribed for...possibly sedatives for Kate after the events 3 May....would be a flag if labels removed as drugs had been brought over from UK.

DEF OFF TOPIC... reminded as someone here mentions Brazil. I wondered at the start about the adopted Maddie colours, wristbands....the colours of the Brazilian flag, although it was stated they were colours of hope. green and yellow.

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Post by tigger on 23.01.12 14:11

russiandoll wrote:
finch wrote:
tigger wrote:
finch wrote:I believe the McCanns were warned that this search was coming. My question as always....... why did they leave the medication and the books for the PJ to find? I sometimes think they wanted to be suspects.

If they were warned the whole little shrine to Maddie was just to show how devoted and religious Kate is. Probably more for the family that was visiting all the time - would give the message that the version of events most of the family were told was true. Hence also the religious fervour of the two.

The books Gerry was reading - well he could always say the PJ was useless and he'd requested them to do his own research.

I think there were no medicines at all present in 5a. The PJ specifically looked for them. So they were back in the villa.

I'm with you on the shrine and maybe the books too, but the medicines? They knew by then that the PJ suspected them of sedating the children.
Arrogance again? Stupidity?

any record of who meds were prescribed for...possibly sedatives for Kate after the events 3 May....would be a flag if labels removed as drugs had been brought over from UK.

DEF OFF TOPIC... reminded as someone here mentions Brazil. I wondered at the start about the adopted Maddie colours, wristbands....the colours of the Brazilian flag, although it was stated they were colours of hope. green and yellow.

Hi Russian Doll,
Green and Yellow are the colour of the Celtic football team of Glasgow. Imo they had professional advice on marketing, possibly Gerry read up on it, because he's sure missed his calling there!
Marketing: linking - i.e. linking pink/cuddlecat to Maddy - see pink, see Maddie.
Everton football jersey - fake photo of Maddie in Everton strip - link to Liverpool.
Green and Yellow bands, Celtic Football club - link to Glasgow. Both football links strongly link again to the Soham murders. Two girls in Manchester strip, famous photo.
Leaving no stone unturned ; a motto of SY? where did they get that?
Coloboma - unique selling point, used as a logo (I don't know how you can equate that with 'not making very much of it') and what the Germans call 'das Aha erlebnis' . (roughly translated as the 'O yes, I've seen that before experience'.
The term 'fighting fund' something which would greatly appeal to the British people as a whole, 'a war against useless foreigners and helping the underdog'. It's practically written into the DNA of the Brits in general. (they didn't need a fund and even less to 'fight' Who? Thousands of people were helping and working for nothing and the internet costs nothing).
I could go on, my topic on the business sense of the McCanns may need some additions.

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Post by Guest on 05.01.14 12:53

tigger wrote:
finch wrote:I believe the McCanns were warned that this search was coming. My question as always....... why did they leave the medication and the books for the PJ to find? I sometimes think they wanted to be suspects.

If they were warned the whole little shrine  to Maddie was just to show how devoted and religious Kate is. Probably more  for the family that was visiting all the time - would give the message that the version of  events most of the family were told was true.  Hence also the religious fervour of the two.

The books Gerry was reading - well he could always say the PJ was useless and he'd requested them to do his own research.

I think there were no medicines at all present in 5a. The PJ specifically looked for them. So they were back in the villa.

Doesn't seem to match with the package of medicine on the table in 5A, just waiting for someone to blow up so we can see which name is on it.
It contains strips of separately packed pills
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Post by Guest on 05.01.14 12:59

Portia wrote:
tigger wrote: [...]
I think there were no medicines at all present in 5a. The PJ specifically looked for them. So they were back in the villa.

Doesn't seem to match with the package of medicine on the table in 5A, just waiting for someone to blow up so we can see which name is on it.
It contains strips of  separately packed pills
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The photo, Portia is referring to, is the Nr. 18 taken the night of May3/4 in Apt. 5A. It clearly shows a package of medicine in the master bedroom. And I'd also want to know what it is ...
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Post by canada12 on 05.01.14 13:05

I tried to blow up the picture but it's too grainy to see what it is.
Alas.

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Post by Guest on 05.01.14 13:09

canada12 wrote:I tried to blow up the picture but it's too grainy to see what it is.
Alas.

Tnx

Any chance with the fax message on the table?
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Post by canada12 on 05.01.14 13:13

Portia wrote:
canada12 wrote:I tried to blow up the picture but it's too grainy to see what it is.
Alas.

Tnx

Any chance with the fax message on the table?

No, same problem - the original isn't very high res so any time I increase the size it just gets blocky and unreadable.
Sorry :-(

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Post by Smokeandmirrors on 05.01.14 13:28

The drug packet in the room is Terfenadine as per Gerry's statement. Was withdrawn prior to 2007 as it can produce dangerous heart issues, also can be lethal if combined with grapefruit juice. It is a non-drowsy anti-histamine and was withdrawn from the US market before the UK.

Can cause heart arrhythmia, which co-incidentally is a condition which has been linked to coloboma.

Very irresponsible for tablets of this nature within reach of children, particularly if left unsupervised.

ETA Seldane is a brand name of terfenadine, which is the name on Gerry's pills.

Wikipedia has info on this, but there are also more high-brow sites that explain the cardio-toxicity of the medicine and reasons why it was withdrawn from use.

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Post by canada12 on 05.01.14 13:46

Smokeandmirrors wrote:The drug packet in the room is Terfenadine as per Gerry's statement. Was withdrawn prior to 2007 as it can produce dangerous heart issues, also can be lethal if combined with grapefruit juice. It is a non-drowsy anti-histamine and was withdrawn from the US market before the UK.

Can cause heart arrhythmia, which co-incidentally is a condition which has been linked to coloboma.

Very irresponsible for tablets of this nature within reach of children, particularly if left unsupervised.

ETA Seldane is a brand name of terfenadine, which is the name on Gerry's pills.

Wikipedia has info on this, but there are also more high-brow sites that explain the cardio-toxicity of the medicine and reasons why it was withdrawn from use.

How can you read what the package says? Is there a better quality photo somewhere?

Here's the one I'm looking at:

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Post by Smokeandmirrors on 05.01.14 13:52

canada12 wrote:
Smokeandmirrors wrote:The drug packet in the room is Terfenadine as per Gerry's statement. Was withdrawn prior to 2007 as it can produce dangerous heart issues, also can be lethal if combined with grapefruit juice. It is a non-drowsy anti-histamine and was withdrawn from the US market before the UK.

Can cause heart arrhythmia, which co-incidentally is a condition which has been linked to coloboma.

Very irresponsible for tablets of this nature within reach of children, particularly if left unsupervised.

ETA Seldane is a brand name of terfenadine, which is the name on Gerry's pills.

Wikipedia has info on this, but there are also more high-brow sites that explain the cardio-toxicity of the medicine and reasons why it was withdrawn from use.

How can you read what the package says? Is there a better quality photo somewhere?

You can see that the name of the drug begins with an "S". Gerry said in his statement that the medicine he had was Terfenadine, a generic name, Seldane being a brand. To work out that the terfenadine tablets he had were seldane is very easy. It's one of those things which has been there in plain view, and is very interesting. I find it interesting, anyway, that a cardiologist had tablets which had been a) withdrawn before 2007 and b) as a cardiologist, that he would take them as they are a well know cardio-toxin and c) wouldd leave them in reach of tiny children who we know were unsupervised for significant periods of time.

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Post by canada12 on 05.01.14 13:58

Smokeandmirrors wrote:

You can see that the name of the drug begins with an "S". Gerry said in his statement that the medicine he had was Terfenadine, a generic name, Seldane being a brand. To work out that the terfenadine tablets he had were seldane is very easy. It's one of those things which has been there in plain view, and is very interesting. I find it interesting, anyway, that a cardiologist had tablets which had been a) withdrawn before 2007 and b) as a cardiologist, that he would take them as they are a well know cardio-toxin and c) wouldd leave them in reach of tiny children who we know were unsupervised for significant periods of time.

I can't see it myself but maybe you have better eyes than me :-)

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canada12 wrote:
Smokeandmirrors wrote:

You can see that the name of the drug begins with an "S". Gerry said in his statement that the medicine he had was Terfenadine, a generic name, Seldane being a brand. To work out that the terfenadine tablets he had were seldane is very easy. It's one of those things which has been there in plain view, and is very interesting. I find it interesting, anyway, that a cardiologist had tablets which had been a) withdrawn before 2007 and b) as a cardiologist, that he would take them as they are a well know cardio-toxin and c) wouldd leave them in reach of tiny children who we know were unsupervised for significant periods of time.

I can't see it myself but maybe you have better eyes than me :-)

On McCann files photo 18, if you click on it, it has a message, whereas previously (at least on my computer) you could expand it.


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Post by Smokeandmirrors on 05.01.14 14:11

Gerry McCanns' statement, 07 September 2007

Medication for the children

When questioned, he states that none of his children takes any kind of medication regularly in England.

When they travelled on holiday to Portugal they brought several medicines, namely Calpol, Nurofen, for fevers and pains, both for adults and children, Losec for gastric problems that he occasionally suffers from, and an anti-histamine called Terfenadine for hay fever. He did not give any of these medicines or any others to the children while on holiday in Portugal.
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Post by beijos on 05.01.14 14:12

A quick note on medicines etc in Portugal.

It is common in Portugal, and more so in Spain, to be able to buy most pharmaceutical products over the counter in the farmacia, which would require a prescription in Australia and the UK. Typically this is for repeats of the same medicines, although if you knew what you were talking about, you could get most anything. However, a medics prescription does bring the OTC cost down (e.g. one type of steroid we buy is 48 euro without prescription and 9 euro with).

Moreover, Portugal is one of the only Western countries which have decriminalised the use of all narcotic drugs (including cocaine, heroin etc). Supply of these drugs is still a criminal offence as per most other countries. Only in the high tourist season of June, July and August do we see people claiming to hawk these, and only at certain large resorts where there are a lot of tourists. It is still a very rare sight.

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Post by Doug D on 05.01.14 14:18

Link below photo no longer works to get a better picture. However if you roll down about another 5 pictures, you can see the digital camera on the table with all the holiday photos - not!!

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