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Post by woodpecker on 27.09.15 11:25

@Verdi wrote:Apropos of Carole Tranmer and her other half Chris, traveling to Portugal for the week 28th April/5th May 2007 (coincidently the exact same week as the McCanns and their chums)  lookig for property to buy - this is what she states during the rogatory interview..

We left when it was around 6h30 [Pamela Fenn's abode], after having finished eating and doing other things, and on Friday we passed by car, continuing to look at properties and such. We did not visit any estate agents, and on Saturday we left.

Sure somebody will put me right if things have changed in latter days but from my experience, property for sale in regions such as the Algarve (particularly touristic), do not have 'for sale' notices outside the property.  More so where so many properties are owned by foreigners who would more likely advertise through an agent, by word of mouth, in publications or the internet.  So what did they do - drive around looking at property wondering if it might be for sale?
 'They continued to look at properties.'  In their earlier search they may have visited estate agents and/or visited their websites and taken down details of properties of interest. 'We did not visit any estate agents' - This could mean they did not visit any estate agents on Friday not that they had never contacted any agents.
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Post by Verdi on 27.09.15 20:02

@woodpecker wrote:
@Verdi wrote:Apropos of Carole Tranmer and her other half Chris, traveling to Portugal for the week 28th April/5th May 2007 (coincidently the exact same week as the McCanns and their chums)  lookig for property to buy - this is what she states during the rogatory interview..

We left when it was around 6h30 [Pamela Fenn's abode], after having finished eating and doing other things, and on Friday we passed by car, continuing to look at properties and such. We did not visit any estate agents, and on Saturday we left.

Sure somebody will put me right if things have changed in latter days but from my experience, property for sale in regions such as the Algarve (particularly touristic), do not have 'for sale' notices outside the property.  More so where so many properties are owned by foreigners who would more likely advertise through an agent, by word of mouth, in publications or the internet.  So what did they do - drive around looking at property wondering if it might be for sale?
 'They continued to look at properties.'  In their earlier search they may have visited estate agents and/or visited their websites and taken down details of properties of interest. 'We did not visit any estate agents' - This could mean they did not visit any estate agents on Friday not that they had never contacted any agents.
You could well be right!

Also possible if Carole Tranmer and her husband were genuinely looking for property to buy,  they were doing so through the agence of Robert Murat who had apparently worked as a property salesman in Portugal and later, 2006 I believe, set up his own business as a property developer.  Wouldn't be beyond the realms considering Pamela Fenn's alleged friendship with Murat's mother.

One thing for sure, ex-patriots tend to form micro-communities when living abroad - like a homing instinct, so I wouldn't be at all surprised to hear there is a strong connection here.

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Post by sar on 27.09.15 20:47

+1 Verdi, thanks
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Post by Tony Bennett on 27.09.15 23:23

@Verdi wrote:
One thing for sure, ex-patriots tend to form micro-communities when living abroad - like a homing instinct, so I wouldn't be at all surprised to hear there is a strong connection here.
We don't know a lot about the ex-pat community in Praia da Luz - how big it is, who are the movers and shakers there etc.

We might begin, however, with Jennifer Murat, long-time resident at 'Casa Liliana', her son Robert Murat, described once by former member here 'Chatelaine' as 'The Dauphin' of Praia da Luz', and Jennifer Murat's sister. Sally Eveleigh, and her husband Ralph Eveleigh. All four, of course, were at that historic meeting between the lawyers for the three arguidos (Fransisco Pagerete for Murat, Freemason Edward Smethurst for the McCanns), who met at the Eveleighs' villa, Salsalitas, on 13 November 2007 - no doubt a top-level planning and legal meeting.

The Eveleighs owned businesses in nearby Burgau, such as the Burgau Beach Bar, where Polish man Wojcek Krokowksi and his lady partner ate many of their meals that week.

Krokowski stayed in the Solimar apartment, where hairs of the haplotypes of Robert Murat and Jane Tanner were found. The building was maintained by a company once owned by Robert Murat's father.

Murat had for many years had property interests in Praia da Luz.

Many people in Praia da Luz must have known him.

Pamela Fenn, it seems, used to meet Jennifer Murat regularly at a Residents Committee.

It's clear that Martin Smith met Murat on a number of occasions.

And Dr Gerald McCann gave a very big hint that he already knew Murat.

Perhaps the most famous British ex-pat in Praia da Luz was the late Sir Clement Freud, whose local villa the McCanns visited a number of times in 2007.

Did Edna Glyn, the friend supposedly contacted by Pamela Fenn late one night on Tuesday 1 May, also know Murat?

Murat certainly knew about Mrs Fenn's allegation about the so-called 'crying incident', as he made a point of telling a GNR officer about it.

And he was good friends with his local I.T. expert, Sergei Malinka.

It looks as thought Nuno Lourenco, who made up that ridiculous story about Krokowski nearly kidnapping his daughter, may also have been a member of the 'Cercle Murat'.   

Murat did a rapid round of visiting his contacts after his early morning dash to Portugal on Tuesday 1st May. 

And then we have the regular visitors to Praia da Luz.

Edward Smethurst has been holidaying there for three weeks every summer ever since 1999.

Jon Corner, Madeleine's godfather, was said to 'visit Praia da Luz' regularly. 

Did either of these men already know Robert Murat before 2007?

It seems all too possible.

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Post by Verdi on 27.09.15 23:23

I'm still finding it difficult to get my head around this.  During the rogatory interview, DC Messiah asked Carole Tranmer to verify the witness statement made by her at the beginning of May 2007.  Taken only a few days after MBM's disappearance and her revelation moment when reading the Times on the morning of Sunday 5th May 2007, so details should be fresh in her memory but - during the rogatory there is much confusion as to the dates and days of her trip to Portugal.  The trip which combined a birthday celebration, house hunting, a holiday and twice times visit to her aunt - some miles away from the Tranmers holiday accommodation.

The alleged statement taken in May 2007 was taken by Leicester police so was in English, as was the recording of the rogatory interview so no confusion as to translation errors, I ask therefore why the confusion about dates?  Also the photo-fit said to have been concocted by the mystery Reading man and Carole Tranmer together has, to my knowledge, never been publicised - instead DC Messiah presented the image sketched as a result of the Tasmin Silence sighting.  Ostensibly Carole Tranmer's sighting was/is vital to the Portuguese investigation - what happened to the alleged statement and photo-fit she sketched? 

As I said before, this suspicious man at the gate below apartment 5a, would be of distinct advantage to the McCanns to reinforce their claim of abduction, it doesn't therefore seem likely their staff would conceal the information.  Conversely, it would be of significant importance to the investigation so why would the police conceal the information - no, don't even bother to answer that one?

The British police, Leicester Constabulary as it turned out, were assigned to assist the PJ by liaison between the two countries - NOT to undertake a separate investigation on home turf.  No matter what anyone says, the UK have no authority to retain or conceal information relative to a criminal investigation led by the country where the crime was committed - in this case Portugal!   If Carole Tranmer or any other witness reported something concerning the case of MBM to UK authorities, the UK should immediately convey that information to the Portuguese.  Full stop!

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Post by Verdi on 28.09.15 12:21

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@Verdi wrote:
One thing for sure, ex-patriots tend to form micro-communities when living abroad - like a homing instinct, so I wouldn't be at all surprised to hear there is a strong connection here.
We don't know a lot about the ex-pat community in Praia da Luz - how big it is, who are the movers and shakers there etc.

We might begin, however, with Jennifer Murat, long-time resident at 'Casa Liliana', her son Robert Murat, described once by former member here 'Chatelaine' as 'The Dauphin' of Praia da Luz', and Jennifer Murat's sister. Sally Eveleigh, and her husband Ralph Eveleigh. All four, of course, were at that historic meeting between the lawyers for the three arguidos (Fransisco Pagerete for Murat, Freemason Edward Smethurst for the McCanns), who met at the Eveleighs' villa, Salsalitas, on 13 November 2007 - no doubt a top-level planning and legal meeting.

The Eveleighs owned businesses in nearby Burgau, such as the Burgau Beach Bar, where Polish man Wojcek Krokowksi and his lady partner ate many of their meals that week.

Krokowski stayed in the Solimar apartment, where hairs of the haplotypes of Robert Murat and Jane Tanner were found. The building was maintained by a company once owned by Robert Murat's father.

Murat had for many years had property interests in Praia da Luz.

Many people in Praia da Luz must have known him.

Pamela Fenn, it seems, used to meet Jennifer Murat regularly at a Residents Committee.

It's clear that Martin Smith met Murat on a number of occasions.

And Dr Gerald McCann gave a very big hint that he already knew Murat.

Perhaps the most famous British ex-pat in Praia da Luz was the late Sir Clement Freud, whose local villa the McCanns visited a number of times in 2007.

Did Edna Glyn, the friend supposedly contacted by Pamela Fenn late one night on Tuesday 1 May, also know Murat?

Murat certainly knew about Mrs Fenn's allegation about the so-called 'crying incident', as he made a point of telling a GNR officer about it.

And he was good friends with his local I.T. expert, Sergei Malinka.

It looks as thought Nuno Lourenco, who made up that ridiculous story about Krokowski nearly kidnapping his daughter, may also have been a member of the 'Cercle Murat'.   

Murat did a rapid round of visiting his contacts after his early morning dash to Portugal on Tuesday 1st May. 

And then we have the regular visitors to Praia da Luz.

Edward Smethurst has been holidaying there for three weeks every summer ever since 1999.

Jon Corner, Madeleine's godfather, was said to 'visit Praia da Luz' regularly. 

Did either of these men already know Robert Murat before 2007?

It seems all too possible.
Lest we forget..

John Geraghty A 68-year-old businessman from Leicestershire who now lives on the outskirts of Praia da Luz. Offered to store the McCanns' hire car so that they could commission independent forensic tests.

Father Jose Pancheco's testimony..

As the key to the church, they were delivered on May 07 or 08, what happened the suggestion of a person resident in the parish, John Geraghty, so the couple could attend church, calmly, without the pressure of communication social. The key was delivered by someone from the church to John Geraghty, the faith to reach the couple, with the permission and consent of the deponent.

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Post by sallypelt on 28.09.15 12:35

@Verdi wrote:
@Tony Bennett wrote:
@Verdi wrote:
One thing for sure, ex-patriots tend to form micro-communities when living abroad - like a homing instinct, so I wouldn't be at all surprised to hear there is a strong connection here.
We don't know a lot about the ex-pat community in Praia da Luz - how big it is, who are the movers and shakers there etc.

We might begin, however, with Jennifer Murat, long-time resident at 'Casa Liliana', her son Robert Murat, described once by former member here 'Chatelaine' as 'The Dauphin' of Praia da Luz', and Jennifer Murat's sister. Sally Eveleigh, and her husband Ralph Eveleigh. All four, of course, were at that historic meeting between the lawyers for the three arguidos (Fransisco Pagerete for Murat, Freemason Edward Smethurst for the McCanns), who met at the Eveleighs' villa, Salsalitas, on 13 November 2007 - no doubt a top-level planning and legal meeting.

The Eveleighs owned businesses in nearby Burgau, such as the Burgau Beach Bar, where Polish man Wojcek Krokowksi and his lady partner ate many of their meals that week.

Krokowski stayed in the Solimar apartment, where hairs of the haplotypes of Robert Murat and Jane Tanner were found. The building was maintained by a company once owned by Robert Murat's father.

Murat had for many years had property interests in Praia da Luz.

Many people in Praia da Luz must have known him.

Pamela Fenn, it seems, used to meet Jennifer Murat regularly at a Residents Committee.

It's clear that Martin Smith met Murat on a number of occasions.

And Dr Gerald McCann gave a very big hint that he already knew Murat.

Perhaps the most famous British ex-pat in Praia da Luz was the late Sir Clement Freud, whose local villa the McCanns visited a number of times in 2007.

Did Edna Glyn, the friend supposedly contacted by Pamela Fenn late one night on Tuesday 1 May, also know Murat?

Murat certainly knew about Mrs Fenn's allegation about the so-called 'crying incident', as he made a point of telling a GNR officer about it.

And he was good friends with his local I.T. expert, Sergei Malinka.

It looks as thought Nuno Lourenco, who made up that ridiculous story about Krokowski nearly kidnapping his daughter, may also have been a member of the 'Cercle Murat'.   

Murat did a rapid round of visiting his contacts after his early morning dash to Portugal on Tuesday 1st May. 

And then we have the regular visitors to Praia da Luz.

Edward Smethurst has been holidaying there for three weeks every summer ever since 1999.

Jon Corner, Madeleine's godfather, was said to 'visit Praia da Luz' regularly. 

Did either of these men already know Robert Murat before 2007?

It seems all too possible.
Lest we forget..

John Geraghty A 68-year-old businessman from Leicestershire who now lives on the outskirts of Praia da Luz. Offered to store the McCanns' hire car so that they could commission independent forensic tests.

Father Jose Pancheco's testimony..

As the key to the church, they were delivered on May 07 or 08, what happened the suggestion of a person resident in the parish, John Geraghty, so the couple could attend church, calmly, without the pressure of communication social. The key was delivered by someone from the church to John Geraghty, the faith to reach the couple, with the permission and consent of the deponent.
Verdi, are you aware of this:

After Geraghty Construction failed to pay a bill to one of its clients, the client – Paul Young – marched into the company’s headquarters in Sleaford Lincolnshire, armed with a five-gallon drum of industrial sealant and poured it all over the office computers and furniture. - See more at: http://madeleinemccann.org/blog/2009/06/11/profile-john-geraghty/#sthash.4isjk0P9.dpuf

Edited to add that the link is no longer available


But this one is: http://madeleinemccann.org/blog/2009/06/11/profile-john-geraghty/
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Post by Verdi on 28.09.15 12:39

@sallypelt wrote:
@Verdi wrote:
@Tony Bennett wrote:
@Verdi wrote:
One thing for sure, ex-patriots tend to form micro-communities when living abroad - like a homing instinct, so I wouldn't be at all surprised to hear there is a strong connection here.
We don't know a lot about the ex-pat community in Praia da Luz - how big it is, who are the movers and shakers there etc.

We might begin, however, with Jennifer Murat, long-time resident at 'Casa Liliana', her son Robert Murat, described once by former member here 'Chatelaine' as 'The Dauphin' of Praia da Luz', and Jennifer Murat's sister. Sally Eveleigh, and her husband Ralph Eveleigh. All four, of course, were at that historic meeting between the lawyers for the three arguidos (Fransisco Pagerete for Murat, Freemason Edward Smethurst for the McCanns), who met at the Eveleighs' villa, Salsalitas, on 13 November 2007 - no doubt a top-level planning and legal meeting.

The Eveleighs owned businesses in nearby Burgau, such as the Burgau Beach Bar, where Polish man Wojcek Krokowksi and his lady partner ate many of their meals that week.

Krokowski stayed in the Solimar apartment, where hairs of the haplotypes of Robert Murat and Jane Tanner were found. The building was maintained by a company once owned by Robert Murat's father.

Murat had for many years had property interests in Praia da Luz.

Many people in Praia da Luz must have known him.

Pamela Fenn, it seems, used to meet Jennifer Murat regularly at a Residents Committee.

It's clear that Martin Smith met Murat on a number of occasions.

And Dr Gerald McCann gave a very big hint that he already knew Murat.

Perhaps the most famous British ex-pat in Praia da Luz was the late Sir Clement Freud, whose local villa the McCanns visited a number of times in 2007.

Did Edna Glyn, the friend supposedly contacted by Pamela Fenn late one night on Tuesday 1 May, also know Murat?

Murat certainly knew about Mrs Fenn's allegation about the so-called 'crying incident', as he made a point of telling a GNR officer about it.

And he was good friends with his local I.T. expert, Sergei Malinka.

It looks as thought Nuno Lourenco, who made up that ridiculous story about Krokowski nearly kidnapping his daughter, may also have been a member of the 'Cercle Murat'.   

Murat did a rapid round of visiting his contacts after his early morning dash to Portugal on Tuesday 1st May. 

And then we have the regular visitors to Praia da Luz.

Edward Smethurst has been holidaying there for three weeks every summer ever since 1999.

Jon Corner, Madeleine's godfather, was said to 'visit Praia da Luz' regularly. 

Did either of these men already know Robert Murat before 2007?

It seems all too possible.
Lest we forget..

John Geraghty A 68-year-old businessman from Leicestershire who now lives on the outskirts of Praia da Luz. Offered to store the McCanns' hire car so that they could commission independent forensic tests.

Father Jose Pancheco's testimony..

As the key to the church, they were delivered on May 07 or 08, what happened the suggestion of a person resident in the parish, John Geraghty, so the couple could attend church, calmly, without the pressure of communication social. The key was delivered by someone from the church to John Geraghty, the faith to reach the couple, with the permission and consent of the deponent.
Verdi, are you aware of this:

After Geraghty Construction failed to pay a bill to one of its clients, the client – Paul Young – marched into the company’s headquarters in Sleaford Lincolnshire, armed with a five-gallon drum of industrial sealant and poured it all over the office computers and furniture. - See more at: http://madeleinemccann.org/blog/2009/06/11/profile-john-geraghty/#sthash.4isjk0P9.dpuf

Edited to add that the link is no longer available
laugh  !
Sounds like a scene from Dodge city - was he wearing a ten gallon hat?

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Post by sallypelt on 28.09.15 12:50

Lenient: Judge Michael Heath let off Paul Young for causing £24,000 worth of damage because he could 'understand his frustration'



A judge has let off a businessman who took dramatic revenge after he was driven close to bankruptcy by a larger firm's refusal to pay his bill.
Paul Young marched into the company's headquarters, armed with a five-gallon drum of quick drying industrial sealant - and poured it all over the office computers and furniture.

He caused £24,000 worth of damage but walked free from court yesterday after Judge Michael Heath took sympathy on him, ruling he had acted out of 'understandable frustration'.
Judge Heath also decided not to make him pay compensation after hearing how the firm had kept stalling payment.

Young, a flooring specialist with four employees, was sub-contracted by Geraghty Construction to lay a concrete floor for a new Tesco depot last summer.

But his bill had still not been paid by late November. And when he was finally given a £30,000 cheque which bounced, he went to the firm's offices in Grantham, Lincolnshire.
After being told the managing director was not able to see him, Young took the drum of sealant from his van and exacted his revenge, Lincoln Crown Court was told

Full article here:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1023217/Judge-lets-officer-wrecker-caused-24-000-damage.html
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Post by Guest on 31.10.17 19:42

Apologies for resurrecting an old thread, but I am curious if anyone ever found out exactly what Chris Tranmer's role was with the EU? Especially given the proximity in time with the Lisbon treaty, would he have had any role in that - extracurricular or otherwise?

'DC1485'Okay. To jog your memory to remember the topic of conversation, I mean, you confirmed that the individual called your attention but after that you turned to speak with your husband. Can you remember what you said to your husband'

CT'Well, there are always talking about the European Union, for this reason, they always have discussions about who is a member of the European Union and who is leading; these two talk a lot about politics and speak, speak and after I turned to get into the conversation as well.

CT'Because they always have open discussions, nice discussions but ...

DC1485'Nothing that comes to memory'

CT'Well, you know'he works, he is contracted by the European Union and is always saying that when he leaves working for them, he has a big book to write, yes''
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Post by NickE on 01.11.17 13:18

Dr Christopher Tranmer worked for MSF (Doctors without borders) and I guess the EU funded their missions and maybe was their commissioner.
A lot of doctors connected to Pdl that week in late April 2007,wasn't it?

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@NickE wrote:Dr Christopher Tranmer worked for MSF (Doctors without borders) and I guess the EU funded their missions and maybe was their commissioner.
A lot of doctors connected to Pdl that week in late April 2007,wasn't it?

There's an article here where he gives some comments about MSF and such - however he says in the article that he stopped his practice as a GP in 2007, and didn't join MSF until 2008. Carole's statement implies that he's already been working with EU for some time (long enough to have enough stories for a book). With that in mind are we sure it's the right Christopher Tranmer?
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Post by NickE on 02.11.17 15:02

April28th wrote:
@NickE wrote:Dr Christopher Tranmer worked for MSF (Doctors without borders) and I guess the EU funded their missions and maybe was their commissioner.
A lot of doctors connected to Pdl that week in late April 2007,wasn't it?

There's an article here where he gives some comments about MSF and such - however he says in the article that he stopped his practice as a GP in 2007, and didn't join MSF until 2008. Carole's statement implies that he's already been working with EU for some time (long enough to have enough stories for a book). With that in mind are we sure it's the right Christopher Tranmer?
I have done some research and found some posts in this forum about Christopher Tranmer and someone refers to an article that says that this "(MSF)-Chris Tranmers wife is a retired doctor", if that's correct this not the right Chris Tranmer.
The man's name who lived on the same adress as Carole Tranmer in Datchet was/is Christopher B Tranmer.

I find this odd because if he was working for many years in the EU as an adviser or official in the EU in Brussels or Strasbourg there should be a hit when searching Google,but nothing.

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Post by Sofia on 11.03.18 21:59

"And surely if she had made a statement to Leicestershire Police, there would be a statement released in the PJ DVD? Her statement, in view of its importance, would surely have been despatched immediately to Portugal (unless your name's 'Gaspar' and you have evidence about members of the Tapas 7 inserting a finger I and out of their mouths and doing circular motions around their nipples, in which case the order goes out: "Wait till Gordon Brown's got rid of Amaral".

Unless pimple man is actually David Payne. Tasmin S describes him almost to a t, I'm thinking he's probably also the person who Carole T saw. For some reason it seems he was always lurking around 5A....

Although It seems like she's describing someone coming out of one of the other ground floor apartements, not necessarily 5A.

Yep, I'm thinking she saw RO or MO.
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Post by Verdi on 11.03.18 23:58

Hello Sofia and welcome to the forum howdy .


Carole Tranmer did indeed give a witness statement to Leicester police, which is contained in the PJ files.  I won't again reproduce it here as it's rather lengthy but you can read it in full here..

https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t14479p25-key-witness-statements-for-information-only?highlight=key+witness+statements

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding your point, you say..

"Unless pimple man is actually David Payne. Tasmin S describes him almost to a t, I'm thinking he's probably also the person who Carole T saw. For some reason it seems he was always lurking around 5A"


If you are referring to Tamsin Silence, the description of the man she allegedly saw..

pamela fenn - Carole Tranmer - Page 5 Tasminman


Pimpleman..

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Forgive me but I see no resemblance to David Payne whatsoever.  Nor is there any reason to wonder why David Payne was in or around the apartment block occupied by the McCanns - he and his family also stayed in the same block.

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Post by Sofia on 12.03.18 1:13

You are right, I was not thinking of that pimple man, I was thinking only of the description tasmin gave, as she also talks about some kind of pimples or nicks from shaving, sorry, not that guy at all. And yes, DP was also staying there so it's normal he was seen there, but I still find the kid's statement very interesting as her description is so detailed and she found him so creepy. About CT is she talking of someone coming out of 5a or 5b, do you think? I can't quite get it.
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Post by Verdi on 12.03.18 1:42

Snipped from Tamsin Silence's witness statement..

Concerning the individual, she describes him as being: Caucasian race, light skin, so he wasn't Portuguese, but could be British, according to her criteria. Approximately 180 cm tall, thin complexion, 30/35 years of age. Short hair, like shaved with 1 cm of length and fair, but she isn't sure if it was blonde because the sun was reflecting, and made perception more difficult. She didn't see the eyes because he wore dark glasses of black colour, with a structure of mass, a thick frame. He had a large forehead. Nose of normal size, a bit pointy and sharp. Large ears, close against the head. Mouth with thin lips, she didn't see his teeth. Chin pointing up, which stood out on a face that she describes as sharp. No beard, no moustache, a clean shave. No other special signs, apart from some small pimples on the face as a result of shaving. He looked ugly, even 'disgusting'.

The first time that she saw him he was wearing a sports style jacket of thin black leather, with a zipper and several pockets also with similar zippers, in silver. She saw no label or inscription. The jacket was open, therefore she saw a white t-shirt, with a dark blue label near the waist, which she cannot identify very well.

Trousers, she thinks, of blue jeans, worn out. Sports shoes (trainers) in black and grey, with a wave, maybe 'Nike' in a colour that she can't remember.

The second time, he wore the same jacket, this time zipped up, because the day was colder than the first one, windy. She didn't notice the rest of the clothing. She says that on that day he had a pen with a string attached to one of his pockets.

The first time, he was leaning against the wall against his hands, and the second time, he had his hands in his pockets.

She never saw him with any photo camera, or any mobile phone, although the second time, he might have a device in his pocket, which she detected by the shape.


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I think that description completely rules out David Payne. 

Admittedly the detail of Ms Silence's sighting is rather peculiar, she was but twelve years of age, it seems a bit outlandish to me that she can so accurately describe a stranger for no apparent reason other than him just being there.  She claims to have relatives that lived in apartment 5a in days gone by, it's therefore reasonable to assume she and/or her family were familiar with Pamela Fenn and other locals such as the Murats so, who knows?  Whatever, it didn't seem to have any positive impact on the PJ investigation apart from yet another bogus lead.

Carole Tranmer?  I don't think she knows herself roll what she saw or where she saw.

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Post by Sofia on 12.03.18 1:53

Well, it's funny because as I was reading her description I thought of him imediatly lol, as we say in portugal, "cada cabeça sua sentença", I guess :) 
It was of no relevance to the case, that is for sure.
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Post by Verdi on 12.03.18 2:07

Aha!  You hail from Portugal - that'll be handy thumbsup .

Snipped from Carole Tranmer's witness statement..

"We were all seated on the terrace, hummm'talking, and I was inclined to look below and this is when I saw someone leave the apartment of the first floor, closing the gate very gently as they were leaving, opening and closing the gate with much caution and in silence. It appeared to me very strange.


They looked to one side and the other, shut the gate and walked very quickly downwards. It was at this point that I turned to my aunt and my husband and exclaimed 'That was really very strange', but they were talking and very involved in the conversation (inaudible). I became involved in the conversation and did not think anymore about the incident.


We left when it was around 6h30, after having finished eating and doing other things, and on Friday we passed by car, continuing to look at properties and such. We did not visit any estate agents, and on Saturday we left. We got to the airport and heard people talking about a missing child. This did not yet bring anything back and we commented on the horror."

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See what I mean eyebrows ?

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Post by Sofia on 12.03.18 2:17

Yes, I'm portuguese and I'm happy to help regarding our wonderful yet complex language :)

To be honest, the only other rogatories I read were from the paynes, and next to those, especially DP, at least CT reads like a sane person lol. DP gave me a headache....
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Post by sharonl on 07.05.19 21:06

In light of the latest crazy news report that Carole Tranmer may have seen this German paedophile, the latest patsy in the McCann coverup, latest "chief suspect in the McCann investigation, I thought it may be a good time to bump this thread.

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Post by Verdi on 07.05.19 23:11

Of all the statements featured in the PJ files, I view Carole Tranmer's as the most extraordinary.

For starters, her only claim to fame was an alleged visit to her aunt's apartment, during her visit to the locale apartment hunting and whatever else.

Yet here we are with a very lengthy interview detailing her life history and ripping yarns about a safety gate lurker in broad day light.

The testimony has a life of it's own - it doesn't even fit in anywhere with Pamela Fenn's questionable input.

https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t14479p25-key-witness-statements-for-information-only#373922

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Post by NickE on 08.05.19 10:48

CT says this man "closed the gate in silence".
Maybe he did, but I can't see any wrong in this.
Correct me if I'am wrong, but was there even a lock mechanism on that gate?
To me it look's like there's only a "doorstop" so if someone close this gate with power the gate would bounce up again so that's could be the simple reason why he closed the gate gently.
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Post by sharonl on 08.05.19 18:25

@NickE wrote:CT says this man "closed the gate in silence".
Maybe he did, but I can't see any wrong in this.
Correct me if I'am wrong, but was there even a lock mechanism on that gate?
To me it look's like there's only a "doorstop" so if someone close this gate with power the gate would bounce up again so that's could be the simple reason why he closed the gate gently.
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If Tramner didn't know the McCanns or their friends at that time, how could she be sure that it want one of them closing the gate?

Saying that, given the discrepancy of the date, I very much doubt that Tramner was even in the area that week.

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