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Post by Praia on 17.01.12 16:22

Madeleine spent the twins first Christmas with her Granny McCann in Scotland. Grandad had died that year.

Jacqueline McCann has remained out of this saga. She attended the pipe parade in Scotland that Summer with other family members. It rained and she covered up with a raincoat. Pictures show little of her.
The News of the World ran a story on JM and her tragic story. In March 2003 her partner was murderd in the street by a drugged up neighbour. She saw him lying on the street dead. The NOTW prints his name and the details of the killer. They give details of the sentence he received.
When I looked up the case I could omly find another case of a killer with the same name murdering a teenager later in 2003. So we have two killers, same name, same year murdering in Glasgow and it's outer area.

Jacqueline, who worked as a cleaner, had a breakdown. Madeleine shares her birthday, May 12.

Supposing JM was pregnant on March 16, 2003, when her partner is murdered. Her life is torn apart. She gives birth to a girl and with her grief cannot cope. She knows her brother and his wife are desperate for a child.

Madeleine is difficult. Kate needs help. Her natural aunt, Patricia who is a nurse, and Granny McCann help out. They travel to Leicester to help.
Kate gets pregnant with the twins through IVF. The twins arrive. If GM is on call or working weekends a McCann family member tries to be there.

It explains the passion of the McCann family when talking about Madeleine. I always felt Mrs Healy to be detached when speaking of Madeleine. That maybe unfair and it's the only way she copes.

Madeleine spends Christmas with her grieving Glasgow relatives. GM and KH are with the twins.

It is only a theory. I have recently seen a picture of Kate with Fiona Payne on her wedding day in Italy later in 2004. She looks heavier so she could have given birth four months earlier.

This is my first time discussing this theory. JM did not seek attention and I did not want to bring attention to her. She has been through hell. But now people are discussing why on earth a two year old would be sent away from her new siblings at Christmas.

I have read a statement by a nursery worker that sometimes when Kate collected Madeleine she went home with them, helped with Madeleine's tea and putting to bed.

Is there a reason Kate needed so many others to spend time with Madeleine?? Maybe we will never know.

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Post by Guest on 17.01.12 16:26

Madeleine was born in May 2003 so cannot have born to Jacqueline in 2004.
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Post by Praia on 17.01.12 16:29

Sorry should read 2003, I will correct it now.

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Post by Praia on 17.01.12 16:31

Mod's help, do not know how to change date. The murder was 2003.

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Post by Praia on 17.01.12 16:35

The murder was March 16 2003, details on Pamalam's site, one News of the World article.
Mod's if you can correct date I would be grateful.

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Post by Guest on 17.01.12 16:43

@Praia wrote:The murder was March 16 2003, details on Pamalam's site, one News of the World article.
Mod's if you can correct date I would be grateful.

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Post by Praia on 17.01.12 16:49

Cheers Candyfloss, love the name by the way.

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Post by Praia on 17.01.12 16:52

Candyfloss can you change March 12 to 16? Thanks I owe you a drink. Maybe one day if we have something to celebrate, you can all come out here and we can toast Madeleine and her life.

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Post by Guest on 17.01.12 17:06

@Praia wrote:Candyfloss can you change March 12 to 16? Thanks I owe you a drink. Maybe one day if we have something to celebrate, you can all come out here and we can toast Madeleine and her life.

Done, check I have changed the right one Praia.
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Post by Praia on 17.01.12 17:54

Thanks Candyfloss.

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Post by Genbug on 17.01.12 18:24

I personally believe that Madeleine was definately a McCann. Whether Gerry is her biological father, none of us can know (although I have no reason to suspect he isn't), but she is definately the child of one of the clan, despite Kate saying she looks like her, I think she is the image of Gerry's family, especially Philomena.

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Post by Guest on 17.01.12 18:26

Glutton as I am for theories, I don't go along with Madeleine not being the natural child of Kate. There is a definite resemblance in some photos; here's one for example.

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/mbmccann.jpg

I can't get the link to work for this particular picture so here's a link to all of the photos on Pamalam's site.

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/MADELEINE_PHOTOS.htm

Many of the photos don't it's true resemble Kate but then again they don't resemble Madeleine either!

P.S. The first link is now okay.
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Post by Praia on 17.01.12 19:18

I poured over pictures too but the pictures in this case are too confusing.

One day I was out with a friends child and was told that my daughter (thechild) was the spitting image of me. I asked others opinions and they agreed you can't go by appearances. We can all see eyes, noses, mouths, smiles etc. in different ways.

The day my best friend and I started sec. school it went around the school we were twins, similar features, same colour and length of hair, it was unreal because we did nt see it.

I don't think you can go by looks.

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Post by PeterMac on 17.01.12 22:53

@Praia wrote:
I don't think you can go by looks.
You can't. But one of the seriously 'Non-Occam's Razor" theories was that Gerry was not the biological father, and that the bio father had returned to claim his daughter.
Hence "They have taken her"
Hence the involvement of IFLG
Hence the involvement of PACT
Hence the involvement in AMBER Alert
Hence all sorts of other things which speak to the McCanns KNOWING who took Madeleine (If in fact she was taken at all )

But none of that would need a stupid cover up of the type we have been subjected to for 4 years. Why not just get her back through the normal legal channels. ?
Which, for the avoidance of doubt, leads me to believe that these were merely diversionary tactics.

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Post by Advocatus on 18.01.12 3:06

@PeterMac wrote:
@Praia wrote:
I don't think you can go by looks.
You can't. But one of the seriously 'Non-Occam's Razor" theories was that Gerry was not the biological father, and that the bio father had returned to claim his daughter.
Hence "They have taken her"
Hence the involvement of IFLG
Hence the involvement of PACT
Hence the involvement in AMBER Alert
Hence all sorts of other things which speak to the McCanns KNOWING who took Madeleine (If in fact she was taken at all )

But none of that would need a stupid cover up of the type we have been subjected to for 4 years. Why not just get her back through the normal legal channels. ?
Which, for the avoidance of doubt, leads me to believe that these were merely diversionary tactics.


Many thanks, I had no real idea of that as a firm possibility.

This is interesting because I remember reading a few weeks ago of one particular Portuguese newspaper insisting that Gerry was not the biological father, that they had got a tip-off from a Cop in the UK, and that they knew who the real father was/where he lived etc, and I think they even invited Clarrie/TM to sue. They didn't. So it is interesting all these weirdo agencies (some barely just born) descending like a meteor shower (well, a *shower* - at any rate!) en masse onto tiny little PdL - as for the funny business with MI6 being at all PJ/LP liaison meetings in PT, all the diplomatic activity and all British consular non-hymn-singers being renditioned to the Falklands, all Luz-based Brit Coppers having to sign the Official Secretes Act, G Broon jumping when Gerry says "jump!" - it only means one thing:

CYA time. Yes - it's ...
Déjà vu

all over again!!!

I am convinced this is a Dunblane MK II. Or a variation thereof.

Mods, if the below is too hot too handle please delete whatever paragraphs etc grate. However I honestly think it is supremely relevant to the Maddie case - I have blanked out most names, left in only those that are in the press/wiki etc in original articles...





http://www.whale.to/b/dunblane_h.html

By Mike James
in Germany – 28 February 2010



http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk






In the early months of 2003, just
prior to the illegal invasion of Iraq, and working in conjunction with a
London-based freelance journalist who had thoroughly double-checked exposures
published by the Scottish ‘Sunday Herald’ newspaper, I published details of a
child-sex ring linked to senior ministers within the XXX government.

I initially published my findings, stemming from discreet leaks from a secret
list provided by the American FBI to the ‘Sunday Times’ newspaper, and
concomitantly discovered that XXX had issued a gagging order to suppress
all further discussion of a scandal that would most certainly have brought a
swift end to his administration and made Britain’s collusion in the destruction
of Iraq impossible.

The articles I wrote concerning the “Operation Ore” cover-up and the 100-year
blackout order imposed upon the report concerning the Dunblane massacre of
children used and abused by XXX government ministers can
still be found on the internet.

These stories, which also implicated
the Attorney-General XXX, former NATO Boss XXX, and the
Svengali of XXX and XXX's rise to power, the flamboyant
homosexual XXX (now Lord XXX), were widely publiscised on the
Internet, excited debate within numerous online forums, and inspired Robert
Kilroy-Silk’s former Veritas Party to undertake a detailed examination of the
extent to which senior and junior ministers close to XXX were given
free licence to engage in paedophilliac activities under the protection of the
British intelligence services.

The Sunday Herald’s incendiary story (“Child Porn Arrests
Too Slow
”, 19 January 2003), written by its Home Affair’s correspondent, Neil
Mackay, disappeared rapidly from the Internet within weeks of my exposure.
Mackay’s editor, at first cooperative, subsequently refused to answer any
further enquiries put to him by myself and the freelance journalist Bob Kearley.

Each and every letter I sent to the British Home Office, Scotland Yard and the
Sunday Times solicited not one single reply.





Lord XXX, a self-confessed
Freemasonic member of Edinburgh’s sinister “Speculative Society” lodge, who
enjoyed a peculiarly close personal relationship with CHILD KILLER Thomas Hamilton, the mass
murderer of abused children in Dunblane, failed to sue the Sunday Herald for
libel and promptly disappeared from public life. Police records revealed that XXX had helped expedite the process by which the Manchurian Candidate,
Hamilton, already a convicted child molester with known affiliations to the
British elite, was able to obtain gun licenses.

XXX worked in collusion with XXX (Secretary of State for
Scotland), a fellow “Speculative Freemason” and XXX, an associate of XXX (British Foreign Secretary). XXX, who, at the behest of XXX and XXX, had a vested interest in ‘wasting’ children who were
beginning to talk.

On 13 March 1996, Thomas Hamilton, a former Boy Scout leader walked into
Dunblane Primary School armed with two 9 mm pistols and two .357 Magnum
revolvers. He killed sixteen small children and a teacher. The subsequent police
investigation revealed that Hamilton had loaded the magazines for his Browning
with an alternating combination of fully metal-jacketed and hollow point
ammunition. This horrific event led to the banning of handguns in the UK. [How
convenient.]

The Judge who conducted the inquiry into the atrocity, during which two teachers
claimed to have seen another mysterious man “guiding” Hamilton onto the
premises, was Lord Cullen. Cullen, also a member of the Freemasonic Speculative
Society and an associate of Labour “Scottish Mafia” figures such as Lord
Robertson, Tony Blair, John Reid and Gordon Brown, was accused by leading
journalists and emergency service personnel of having achieved a cover-up.

According to journalist Marcello Mega, in The News of the World, 28 December
2003:

1. A top Scottish Freemason, Former Grand Master Lord Burton, has said that Lord
Cullen's inquiry into the Dunblane massacre was a cover-up.

Lord Burton says Cullen's inquiry suppressed crucial information to protect
high-profile legal figures.

2. These high-profile legal figures may belong to a secretive 'Super-Mason'
group called The Speculative Society.



[I SPECULATE AS TO WHETHER GERRY McCANN, A ROUGH (VERY ROUGH! ACTUALLY! ) ASHLAR, BELONGS, OR IS INDEED EVEN, A PROSPECTIVE APPRENTICE, TO THE SPECULATIVE SOCIETY? (SHOULD HE ESCAPE WORMWOOD SCRUBS, OF COURSE... ]





Lord Burton said: "I have learned of an apparent connection between prominent
members of the legal establishment involved in the inquiry, and the secretive
Speculative Society. The society was formed in Edinburgh University through
Masonic connections so I accept that there might be a link by that route."
Reportedly, members of the Speculative Society have included Lord Cullen and a
number of other judges, sheriffs and advocates.


[HOLLY GREIG, ANYONE?]



3. Some of these high-profile people had links to the Queen Victoria School
'where gunman Thomas Hamilton was allowed to roam free before the 1996
atrocity'.

4. Reportedly the police are investigating claims that pupils at Queen Victoria
School were regularly taken away and sexually abused.

5. Former housemaster Glenn Harrison told the News of the World how he even
found Hamilton, 43, creeping around the dormitories at night. He said Hamilton
had close links to a top policeman. Glenn was never called to give evidence at
the Cullen Inquiry.

6. Lord Burton said: "I tried repeatedly to raise concerns about the inquiry
during my time in the Lords, and I was bullied and threatened by powerful peers
loyal to the Conservative Government of the day, who warned me of dire
consequences if I continued to embarrass them." (According to this source
Cached - 'XXX's friend and his then
Chairman of his constituency party at Edinburgh Pentlands, XXX,
according to the front page lead of the Edinburgh Evening News on 23 March 1996,
sold guns and ammunition to Thomas Hamilton only a few weeks before the Dunblane
massacre, and it was reported he said he would sell him guns again.')

8. XXX had kept dozens of files from pupils alleging bullying and
abuse while he was at the Queen Victoria School and wrote to parents warning of
the dangers in 1991. It led to him being ousted from the school and just days
before he left, police raided his home and confiscated the files.

9. Glenn states that Hamilton had been a friend of XXX, the senior
housemaster at QVS. Mr XXX died in December 1993, aged 46, when he fell from
a ladder while hanging decorations.


[AS YOU DO]




http://scot-land.blogspot.com/2007/12/lord-cullen-dunblane-lockerbie.html


Alan Milburn, a close ally of Tony Blair, also resigned dramatically from the
senior benches of the Labour Party government shortly after Scotland Yard’s
anti-paedophile investigation



[THE OPERATION ORE FIASCO - AKA, OPERATION 'BORED', 'SNORE' etc etc etc, LEAD MOVER 'N' SHAKER JIM GAMBLE, BIG BUDDIES WITH PROMINENT MALE PLAYERS IN THIS CASE]



was suppressed by the Blair administration, citing
the need to “spend more time with my family”.

For some reason, the abduction of Scottish children for the purpose of XXX and XXX, always closely linked to senior XXX Party political figures,
continues unabated.


[2006] Pressure on police to release paedophile
dossier


Although XXX Supremo XXX's alleged role in the kidnapping of young girls and boys for the
“pleasuring” of the European Union’s elite commissioners in Brussels was the
subject of intense speculation long before the disappearance of Madeleine
McCann, I can now bring to a close all speculation as to the name of XXX's most “highly placed and senior politician” who fell not only under the
scrutiny of Scotland Yard for crimes against children, but was also identified
by the FBI as an active member of the paedophile ring run by Thomas Hamilton.
That name was first revealed to me by XXX at a private party in
Clapham in 1986, during which time I worked as a scriptwriter for the British
television media. XXX later became XXX under XXX's Conservative administration. Following investigations in 2003 on both my
and Bob Kearley’s part, that name cropped up time and time again, and I passed
the details to Internet journalist Paul Joseph Watson.

XXX, the current EX BRITISH Minister, is a practicing paedophile,
whose activities are known not only to the British, American and Israeli
intelligence services, but also by XXX and his senior editor at the XXX.


[SO WHY IS MR McCANN ALWAYS APPEALING FOR HELP FROM MR BROWN (AND BLAIR)??? AND MORE TO THE POINT, ***WHY*** IS HE GETTING IT???]

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Post by PeterMac on 18.01.12 7:56

Avocatus:
Many thanks, I had no real idea of that as a firm possibility.
I don't think it is. I believe the DNA showed that Gerry is the bio father. AIH, rather than AID. Don't have the reference to hand but I am fairly sure it is in the PJ documents.

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Post by tigger on 18.01.12 14:48

@PeterMac wrote:
Avocatus:
Many thanks, I had no real idea of that as a firm possibility.
I don't think it is. I believe the DNA showed that Gerry is the bio father. AIH, rather than AID. Don't have the reference to hand but I am fairly sure it is in the PJ documents.

There are particular psychological problems with IVF parenthood, according to Dr. Ludke. If the normal procedure did not work and IVF had to be used to have a child, then, if a not so perfect child is born there is an almost automatic distance from the parents. According to Dr. Ludke, this is quite common. Apart from that, many families will have a favourite child in any case. Maddie was clearly a big disappointment, the twins seem to be just what they wanted. There need be no other father anywhere for this to have happened.

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Post by jd on 18.01.12 14:53

Maddie was clearly a big disappointment, the twins seem to be just what they wanted

Yes this is how it seems

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Post by Praia on 18.01.12 15:03

Petermac, I do not trust any of the DNA reports. We can not be sure they were working with Madeleine's DNA at all. That is a massive problem.
The FSS were leaned on, no doubt about it, and they will soon be closed down and the cover up at their end is complete.

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Post by tigger on 18.01.12 15:08

@Praia wrote:Petermac, I do not trust any of the DNA reports. We can not be sure they were working with Madeleine's DNA at all. That is a massive problem.
The FSS were leaned on, no doubt about it, and they will soon be closed down and the cover up at their end is complete.

I agree with you there and if I were having a baby, if at all possible -I'd certainly not go for G's DNA once I'd had a look at his relatives as well!

However, we will have to live with the fact that none of the DNA evidence is admissible. That was the purpose of the cover up. imo.
I do think it was a really big shock. They never expected to have either the villa or the rental car searched, those clod-hopping PJs should have stuck with 5a which was beautifully laid out as an abduction site, complete with stalking paedophiles.

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Post by Praia on 18.01.12 15:48

There is a picture of McCann holding his new baby, he is sitting right beside an empty hospital bed, Healy pokes her head in on the right, head only, we can't see what she is wearing.
Again I asked others for their opinion and all said if they were releasing a picture, the tired but overjoyed mum would be propped up in bed, hubby and baby beside her. We see more of the empty bed and pillows then we do of the new mum. Again maybe not unusual bot this is being published to millions to play on their heartstrings and cough up more cash. Surely an exhausted Healy lying in bed with her new family beside her exists.
The picture looks like whoever was in the bed got out and Healy stuck her head as it was taken.
I early on was given a reason to look into this.

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Post by jd on 18.01.12 16:14

Do you have a link for the picture Praia? Maybe Healys head was photoshopped in, they have a trend for doing this

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A Theory, Was Madeleine thier Natural child.

Post by sijm on 18.01.12 16:44

If The book A estrela de Madeleine is to be seen as giving us clues then maybe there is a good clue here, if I may, I would like to point a few out.

1.At the begining of the book reference was made to chip implants as follows, Buying a book does not give us the power to "know" the truth, as if it were a chip that is implanted in us etc ect..

Could this be a hint that a chip was implanted into Madeleine?

2, Chief Joao Tavares rings Francisco Meireles telling him a Dutch newspaper has received a map supposedly shows the location of the childs body. they meet the Dutch journalist, they have been in Portugal three days even hired sniffer dogs.

The Potuguese police feel like arresting them for endangering the investigation, The journalist takes a letter out of his bag and produces a document called a spermogram.a document that is issued when someone has a sperm analysed in a laboratory, there is no identification of the subject but he notices a SEQUENCE OF NUMBERS on the lower right hand corner, he contacts a doctor who informs him that the sequence identifies, THE LAB, THE NUMBER OF THE TEST,THE INDIVIDUAL THAT WAS SUBJECT TO THE ANALYSIS.

Could this be THE 5,THE 2,THE 3, THE 1? sequel of numbers

Also they go to Lisbon where they identify the individual, who tuerns out to be a Public Servant, devorced and with evident problems of self assurance and regulation.

The man confesses all, all he wanted to do is help and will seek psychiatric help. but the Numbers alert is noted by me, it fits that clue in the book.

Just one more thing noted, The report Maddie was seen still in her Pyjamas several days after her disapearance, anyone know with who?

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Post by Praia on 18.01.12 16:56

I think this book should be closely looked at, it is on Maddie Case Files translated. Well worth a read imo.
Thanks lijm thats what we need to do, toss around ideas among ourselves. Will think about it. Was amazed when I read that part of the book, the whole Lisbon public servant hoax was new to me.
The book is another tool as is Sr Amaral's book. TM did not sue Cristovao I wonder why?? So as not to bring attention to it, not enough profits to go after??

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Post by jd on 18.01.12 17:04

The mccanns didn't sue the Portuguese press for the same stories that were printed in the UK...why? because in Portugal there is a small financial payout compared to the UK where they can and got £100,000's. Says it all really

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