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Post by aquila on 25.01.12 9:09

@tigger wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMp_Evmv4d4

This is a brilliant little video. Gerry's body language.

Kate 'as Gerry says our ultimate goal is to find Madeleine'

Surely that should be 'our ONLY goal is to find Madeleine'
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Post by Guest on 25.01.12 9:11

Quite! If someone has an ultimate goal, they must have some others to achieve first. I wonder what else the McCanns are hoping to achieve, other than silencing their critics.
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Post by tigger on 25.01.12 12:54

'On the flight to Berlin, Gerry wearily admitted the couple's campaign to find Madeleine could last years.

They refuse to leave Praia da Luz while their precious daughter is still missing.

Asked how long they might stay there, he said: "Well, our kids don't start school for three years."'

- Daily Mirror, 07 June 2007

But Maddie had been due to start school that September, which I personally think might have contributed to her fate.

'Our kids' sound very complete, 'the twins' or 'Amelie and Sean' would leave room for other children to exist.




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blood boiling.....

Post by russiandoll on 25.01.12 14:01

@tigger wrote:'On the flight to Berlin, Gerry wearily admitted the couple's campaign to find Madeleine could last years.

They refuse to leave Praia da Luz while their precious daughter is still missing.

Asked how long they might stay there, he said: "Well, our kids don't start school for three years."'

- Daily Mirror, 07 June 2007

But Maddie had been due to start school that September, which I personally think might have contributed to her fate.

'Our kids' sound very complete, 'the twins' or 'Amelie and Sean' would leave room for other children to exist.



He did not say that in the event of Maddie not being found soon, they would stay as long as they could.
What about your eldest precious daughter Gerry? She has only been missing one month and it is 3 months until she is due to begin school...time for her to be found. She is one of their kids...and seems already not to exist. So very very sad.
What a great thread this is.

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Post by tigger on 25.01.12 18:41

Jean wrote:Quite! If someone has an ultimate goal, they must have some others to achieve first. I wonder what else the McCanns are hoping to achieve, other than silencing their critics.

It's unbelievable that so many people still think the McCanns are truly grieving parents. Everything they say and do - I love the body language clips - betrays them. Jeremy Paxman had the measure of him all right. That's clear from his body language.

(must look up the poem: 'all things betray thee, who betrayest me'.)

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Post by Ross on 25.01.12 18:57

@tigger wrote:
Jean wrote:Quite! If someone has an ultimate goal, they must have some others to achieve first. I wonder what else the McCanns are hoping to achieve, other than silencing their critics.

It's unbelievable that so many people still think the McCanns are truly grieving parents. Everything they say and do - I love the body language clips - betrays them. Jeremy Paxman had the measure of him all right. That's clear from his body language.

(must look up the poem: 'all things betray thee, who betrayest me'.)

This is the power of the media though isn't it? The ability to mesmerise, to create an illusion. Inside the illusion it all seems real, but when you step outside you can see it for the deception that it is. Rather like watching a stage magician when you know how he is doing the trick, it's not 'magic' any more.
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Post by kikoraton on 25.01.12 18:57

Hello badboys
You said "kikoraton,there may be another connection(let he who has wisdom has understanding)."
I'll have to think about that. Better start tonight as I shan't have much time tomorrow.
Connections: medical research or trialling. Social engineering (including tigger's idea of microchipping). Paedophilia, including governmental, diplomats etc. Child-porn/filming/computer games.
I'll try to think of more, but I'll need a bit of "steerage".
Apart from badboys, does anyone else have any ideas?

ETA: Sacrifice? You've triggered something off in my memory, but I'm not going to develop it unless you give me reason to do so.
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Post by tigger on 25.01.12 19:18

@kikoraton wrote:Hello badboys
You said "kikoraton,there may be another connection(let he who has wisdom has understanding)."
I'll have to think about that. Better start tonight as I shan't have much time tomorrow.
Connections: medical research or trialling. Social engineering (including tigger's idea of microchipping). Paedophilia, including governmental, diplomats etc. Child-porn/filming/computer games.
I'll try to think of more, but I'll need a bit of "steerage".
Apart from badboys, does anyone else have any ideas?

Hi kikoraton, and Badboys,

Shouldn't this thread have it's own topic or belong in an existing one? It's just I'm trying to keep rigidly to the topic here, so that if it should become a sticky, all the linguistic evidence is laid out clearly.
My earlier answer to you should also move.... sorry about that. I won't post for a short while, got to go into hospital - so that's why I'm saying this now. Feel I'm rapping you over the knuckles without authority, without your fantastic work on the pings - I think yet another problem they hadn't foreseen - we'd be in the dark about a lot of things.


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Post by Ollie on 25.01.12 19:30

At 2.28 minutes into the video Gerry says that the Judiciary having reviewed all the evidence have said that there is no evidence that Madeleine is dead and there's no evidence to implicate us in her death. A total contradiction in that sentence.

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Post by kikoraton on 25.01.12 20:02

Do tiggers go into hospital? Anyway, come back soon fighting fit, tigger.
Yes, we've digressed. But this is the No.1 thread of the moment!
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Post by Guest on 25.01.12 20:05

Sorry to hear you have to go to hospital tigger, hope it's nothing too serious. Hope to see you back very soon. roses
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Post by Ollie on 25.01.12 20:28

I also hope you are back very soon Tigger and it is nothing too serious.

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Post by Ollie on 25.01.12 20:34

@Ollie wrote:At 2.28 minutes into the video Gerry says that the Judiciary having reviewed all the evidence have said that there is no evidence that Madeleine is dead and there's no evidence to implicate us in her death. A total contradiction in that sentence.

Seems a bit stupid quoting myself! but reading into this sentence (probably badly) no evidence that Madeleine is dead = they haven't been able to find her body.

no evidence to implicate us in her death = I know they found (Madeleine's) cadaver and blood scent but they didn't get that little break in the case to prove we were involved.

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Post by rainbow-fairy on 26.01.12 0:30

Be well soon tigger my friend! I have faith you will - us tigers always bounce back (I'm a Chinese year Tiger).
I'll have to keep quoting about FL whilst you're away. You'll be missed, my thoughts are with you (((hugs)))

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Post by aiyoyo on 26.01.12 2:05

@Ollie wrote:At 2.28 minutes into the video Gerry says that the Judiciary having reviewed all the evidence have said that there is no evidence that Madeleine is dead and there's no evidence to implicate us in her death. A total contradiction in that sentence.

Exactly! No evidence of dead ; no evidence to implicate.

Without one how can there be the other?

That sentence is a dead giveaway; and that in itself is evidence speaker knows she is dead. It's a defiance statement rather than a passive one.
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Post by Daisy on 26.01.12 13:48

@Ross wrote:

This is the power of the media though isn't it? The ability to mesmerise, to create an illusion. Inside the illusion it all seems real, but when you step outside you can see it for the deception that it is. Rather like watching a stage magician when you know how he is doing the trick, it's not 'magic' any more. [quote]

Great post & brilliant analogy. ^

Wishing you a speedy recovery Tigger, all the best.

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Post by russiandoll on 26.01.12 14:25

sent you a pm.....but want to say publicly you will be missed. Hope not serious, have a speedy recovery, like your namesake come bouncing back very soon and get the heck back here!





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Post by kikoraton on 26.01.12 16:33

Tigger indicated that he/she wishes this thread to concentrate purely on Forensic Linguistics. Very sensible, too.
So I'll continue my thoughts about "connections" we should be looking for, between the McCanns and others who appear to be involved but who passed under the radar until we exposed them, elsewhere.
But where?
Ah...."Guests (and OC facilities)" I think. Off i go there now.
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Post by tigger on 04.02.12 7:00

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRJxOzdvp2k&feature=player_embedded#!

This is interesting. Gerry in full confident flow on going back to work. All the politicians' patter - so this would be a good one to use for Amaral - confident, looking well. No sign of stress.

...to be honest ..unless Madeleine is found we're not expecting any significant developments in the near future....

Why not? When in Portugal there were long term plans and anniversaries. In this statement he is saying that finding Madeleine would be one of a number of possible significant developments. Not THE ONLY significant development.

If I've lost my wallet, the only significant development for me would be to find it. It would not be one of a number of developments.




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Post by tigger on 04.02.12 7:11

'They've taken her' is followed very shortly in a phone call to her mother by: 'She's gone, Mum, she's gone'.

For me that is a non sequitur. Had this been true then one could expect more information on 'they' who:
must have been watching her
are being chased by the T7 and OC staff
it was a five minute window - so 'they' can't be far away - someone's borrowed a car to look around
we've phoned police so they can close the borders etc.

'She's gone, Mum, she's gone' , sounds final. Especially the repeat. 'She's gone!' would be more believable. 'Where is she?' is even better.
'She's gone' sounds more like someone departed after a short or long illness. Imo fits perfectly with what I think they told friends and family.
Maddie was ill - something suitably incurable which was evident long before the last holiday.
Coupled with the religious fervour which they caught virtually on the spot, and the financial advantages planned for the aftermath, I don't think the clan was going to think too hard about what they were told.


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Post by Guest on 04.02.12 9:00

I love the bit from about 0.50 in the video posted by Tigger when a question was asked about the report that the fund had been used to pay the mortgage. Poor Gerry, that wasn't part of the prepared speech at all!

P.S. Can anyone decipher the question at 1.44 which caused the very abrupt reply "Sorry, I don't know anything about it".
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Post by aquila on 04.02.12 9:27

I am disturbed about the two gulps when he speaks of Madeleine. Dry throat?
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Post by aquila on 04.02.12 9:50

from the video....'Kate and I have always said that when (gulp) if it ever got to six months.
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Post by tigger on 05.02.12 8:38

@aquila wrote:from the video....'Kate and I have always said that when (gulp) if it ever got to six months.

I missed that! Yummy!

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Post by tigger on 11.02.12 7:07


Alyoyo wrote: quote:
Today at 6:05 am
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8566613.stm


In that above link, kate was reported as saying she prayed for the people who have taken Madeleine, and that she didn't blame God for what happened.unquote.

Alyoyo, I cut and pasted this here. This bit was new to me - thanks for the link.

quote: Asked ( by David Piditch, Express) if they could ever forgive Madeleine's abductor Mr McCann said: "When we have got Madeleine back we will think about who took her and what happened."
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This is another forensic linguist moment.

You would expect any parents to say : It's too early to answer that kind of question, when we get her back we will think about it, or something like that.

Not "when we have got Madeleine back" ...have got? As if expecting someone to hand her back instead of from their own efforts....

We will think about who took her.......and what happened? Why does the WHO matter?
Subjecting to who, then they will forgive or not, it's one of those wtf moments!
Does it mean if a "family" has kept her for years away from her own family it is OK and probably forgiveable?
Or does it mean if she was given back by paedophile, then the forgivable feature depends what happened? unquote

Dr. Roberts has analysed a certain 'handover' scenario from what Kate said. The 'she has been taken away from us' makes them part of the process. I'm convinced that the disposal of the body was done by a third party with the help of Gerry probably.

quote: It is something of a puzzle as to how, given our instinctual avoidance of telling lies, GM was able to make his unforgettable homecoming statement on the airport runway without showing any obvious sign of discomfort ('...except to say that we played no part in the disappearance of our lovely daughter Madeleine.'). Although he substituted 'disappearance' for 'abduction', the opening disclaimer, 'we played no part in', remains troublesome. If this was not lying, might that have been because GM privately and deliberately misconstrued 'no part' as 'no active part', thereby dismissing any connection with the contributory negligence of child abandonment? Or was he being absolutely truthful? There may be sufficient evidence to confirm that Madeleine was not the victim of a 'stranger abduction', but how do we know someone else did not make her 'disappear'? We do not. And if the McCanns were not directly responsible for any injury to the child in the first instance, then GM's statement is entirely valid and entirely truthful into the bargain.
unquote - the rest of this is on page 7 here.



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