Re: Statement Analysis of Kate McCann's diary

by **tigger** 29.12.13 19:26

Clay Regazzoni wrote:
Tangled Web wrote:
Wow. Excellent post Suep. I, along with many others have always been very suspicious of the Payne visit to the apartment and this just cements that in my mind. He also stopped KM & GM from interacting with a child protection official I believe? Then there was that late night call.....

I'm always careful not to wade into DP too hard, as we have little more than hearsay to go on really. However one thing that does make me wonder about the Gaspar statements (apart from the obvious) is that they only seemed to be considered for the holiday groups once they had children, and when they failed to "take the bait" they were never invited back again - to PdL 2007, for instance.

Is any more known about Stuart and Tara?

Stuart is a doctor- surname Gold I believe. i found Tara had set up a website Ethicalkidz ... sorry not sure of the name but can be found in the topic 'Please note: the Fund is not a charity. Bit long but halfway I think some info which was interesting.
Amongst the toys they were also selling cuddlecat! The site gives to charity as well - the Fund was listed as a charity with the Co. nr. Very soon after I posted that information it was corrected. The website is still active.

It seems the forum was monitored very efficiently.

Hopeyou had a good Christmas - missed that handsome feller in red!

by Guest 29.12.13 19:40

tigger wrote:

Stuart is a doctor- surname Gold I believe. i found Tara had set up a website Ethicalkidz ... sorry not sure of the name but can be found in the topic 'Please note: the Fund is not a charity. Bit long but halfway I think some info which was interesting.
Amongst the toys they were also selling cuddlecat! The site gives to charity as well - the Fund was listed as a charity with the Co. nr. Very soon after I posted that information it was corrected. The website is still active.

It seems the forum was monitored very efficiently.

Hopeyou had a good Christmas - missed that handsome feller in red!

Cheers Tigger. I knew about Ethicalkidz but the link to the couple in question either slipped my mind or I was unaware of it in the first place. What a tangled web indeed!

Took a break over Christmas as the whole Rickwood thing did not sit well with me, as I fear I made abundantly clear at the time! Will be making significant efforts to take a more detached stance from now on. You long-termers must be made of some stern stuff. Thanks for the kind thought though, I hope you and yours had a good one too.

by Tangled Web 29.12.13 21:17

Clay Regazzoni wrote:
Tangled Web wrote:
Wow. Excellent post Suep. I, along with many others have always been very suspicious of the Payne visit to the apartment and this just cements that in my mind. He also stopped KM & GM from interacting with a child protection official I believe? Then there was that late night call.....

I'm always careful not to wade into DP too hard, as we have little more than hearsay to go on really. However one thing that does make me wonder about the Gaspar statements (apart from the obvious) is that they only seemed to be considered for the holiday groups once they had children, and when they failed to "take the bait" they were never invited back again - to PdL 2007, for instance.

Is any more known about Stuart and Tara?

For me, there's just far too much smoke around DP for there not to be a fire. Either that or he's just incredibly unlucky!

by Tangled Web 29.12.13 21:26

Smokeandmirrors wrote:It's weird he says that he knew the kids well but wouldn't feel comfortable checking them. Why ever not? I wouldn't think twice about best or very close friends helping out. Goodness, I know loads of people who have friends children over to stay if the parents are ill, or have some engagement to attend, preferable to getting a youngish baby sitter. So why is he distancing himself?

Exactly. I could possibly understand his reservations if he didn't have children of his own it he does and was amongst friends.

I also recall that when MO was asked if he'd ever checked on the McCann children before the 3rd May there was a lot of squirming too. There could be a few reasons for this (1) they thought the police were insinuating something and weren't happy about being perceived in this way or (2) they had very good reasons for feeling uncomfortable about this line of enquiry.

by suep 30.12.13 9:04

tigger wrote:
Clay Regazzoni wrote:
Tangled Web wrote:
Wow. Excellent post Suep. I, along with many others have always been very suspicious of the Payne visit to the apartment and this just cements that in my mind. He also stopped KM & GM from interacting with a child protection official I believe? Then there was that late night call.....

I'm always careful not to wade into DP too hard, as we have little more than hearsay to go on really. However one thing that does make me wonder about the Gaspar statements (apart from the obvious) is that they only seemed to be considered for the holiday groups once they had children, and when they failed to "take the bait" they were never invited back again - to PdL 2007, for instance.

Is any more known about Stuart and Tara?

Stuart is a doctor- surname Gold I believe. i found Tara had set up a website Ethicalkidz ... sorry not sure of the name but can be found in the topic 'Please note: the Fund is not a charity. Bit long but halfway I think some info which was interesting.
Amongst the toys they were also selling cuddlecat! The site gives to charity as well - the Fund was listed as a charity with the Co. nr. Very soon after I posted that information it was corrected. The website is still active.

It seems the forum was monitored very efficiently.

Hopeyou had a good Christmas - missed that handsome feller in red!

Dr Stuart Gold is a Consultant Anaesthetist at Derby Hospital

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Tara Gold was at University of Dundee from 1991 to 1996 then worked as an accountant for various firms including Price Waterhouse Coopers and now is the MD of Ethicalkidz which still has a link on its website to the McCann's fund. Scroll down to bottom of this page
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by Guest 30.12.13 9:39

suep wrote:
Tara Gold was at University of Dundee from 1991 to 1996 then worked as an accountant for various firms including Price Waterhouse Coopers and now is the MD of Ethicalkidz which still has a link on its website to the McCann's fund. Scroll down to bottom of this page
to find it:

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Argghh! Thanks for unleashing that assault on my senses - that site should come with a health warning. It looks like the bastard offspring of Toys'R'Us and UN Agenda 21.

I wonder if they maintain their friendship with the Paynes? And if they still consider taking group holidays in Majorca as being compatible with the stated ethos of the business?

by suep 30.12.13 11:39

Clay Regazzoni wrote:
suep wrote:
Tara Gold was at University of Dundee from 1991 to 1996 then worked as an accountant for various firms including Price Waterhouse Coopers and now is the MD of Ethicalkidz which still has a link on its website to the McCann's fund. Scroll down to bottom of this page
to find it:

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Argghh! Thanks for unleashing that assault on my senses - that site should come with a health warning. It looks like the bastard offspring of Toys'R'Us and UN Agenda 21.

I wonder if they maintain their friendship with the Paynes? And if they still consider taking group holidays in Majorca as being compatible with the stated ethos of the business?

Sorry, Clay! I should have warned people about the pretentious greener-than-thou middle class aspect! I noticed that one of their 'ethics' is to sell British made goods to save the planet from all the damage done by transportation of goods around the world yet they're happy to deliver their toys abroad...perhaps they send them by carrier pigeon!

by **tigger** 26.05.14 19:48

From Kate's diary, a two year old with some strange remark using distancing language.
Not as bad as her father who frequently uses 'a girl' instead of 'my daughter', but I choose not to believe this :

TUESDAY, JULY 17: Finding it very difficult to talk to people from home, unless they are directly involved. It is difficult to show an interest in other people's lives and children at the moment. I know it sounds horrible, selfish and egocentric, but at the moment I can only think about Madeleine. I don't want to hear about anyone having babies or getting pregnant (mainly because it was all so very difficult for us). I'm worried about turning into a bitter, angry woman, that would be horrible.
[........]
Earlier today I found Amelie in our room looking at photos of Madeleine and she said: 'I miss my sister. Where's my sister''

I couldn't believe it. I didn't realise Amelie's vocabulary and use of words was so good. I just said: 'I miss her too. We'll find her soon.' What a little sweetheart!

She then turned her attention to something else.

[...]
Unquote

Two things jump out: more likely she'd say her name: Maddie - as she had done before when she said 'Maddie's shoes'.

- and why %^#}^**. Doesn't Kate know about her daughter's vocabulary? Did they only talk once a month?

by Casey5 26.05.14 19:53

"She then turned her attention to something else"

Just like Madeleine then after asking why she and Sean were ignored whilst crying the night before - according to Kate that is.

by Guest 26.05.14 21:50

Would a two-year-old say "I miss my sister" rather than "I miss Maddie" - or whatever she called her?

by Improper Conduct 26.05.14 22:43

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:Would a two-year-old say "I miss my sister" rather than "I miss Maddie" - or whatever she called her?

Its sad how shittily their comments are, it feels the more they take the piss out of the (not subliminally knowing) public with their comments the more someone upon a higher reach is reaching for more tissues.....Sad to say, but most definitely true

by truthfultiger 27.05.14 6:26

My almost 2 year old son often refers to his grandads as 'a man'. This comes from a conversation we had about whether someone was a boy or a man. I used grandad and Daddy as examples of men and him and his friend a examples of boys and the word man stuck! I'm not convinced by anything the mccanns say but children do say strange things sometimes. She really should know her daughters vocabulary though. I work full time and even though my son is looked after by his grandparents most days I could still tell you all the new things he has learnt that week. Just another example of KM being in my opinion a neglectful and self centred parent.

by Guest 27.05.14 12:46

A two year old would not understand the concept of missing someone - at that age they can barely understand sharing!

I would have expected her to say "Where's Maddie" and/or "I want Maddie" so either Kate's lying (big surprise there roll

) or Amelie's picked the phrase up from the adults in her life.

by Guest 27.05.14 13:16

Didn't Kate once say "The twins didn't have much to do with Maddie" ?

I can't find any reference to it now and nor can I remember in what context she said it.

Can anyone else recall this, or does my memory deceive me ?

by Guest 27.05.14 13:24

I certainly have heard that quote but can't at the moment find a link to it.

by **tigger** 27.05.14 14:11

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:I certainly have heard that quote but can't at the moment find a link to it.

That was in the early days on being asked by a journalist if the twins were coping with the loss of their sister - or words to that effect.

However, may well have been whooshed and Kate must have been handed the Big Book of Parenting soon after this. winkwink

by truthfultiger 27.05.14 15:33

Poe, sorry to be nit picky but two year olds certainly ask for people as if they miss them and it would depend on their level of vocabulary as to whether they could express that. Sorry, again, I'm not defending the mccanns just saying that every word that comes out of their mouth is not necessarily a lie (although it might seem like that sometimes!).

by Guest 27.05.14 15:35

tigger wrote:

That was in the early days on being asked by a journalist if the twins were coping with the loss of their sister - or words to that effect.

However, may well have been whooshed and Kate must have been handed the Big Book of Parenting soon after this.

Thank you tigger, not my memory playing up then.

Contrary family comments about relationship of Madeleine and the twins then, since

on the one hand we have "She was like a wee mother to them" - (said by Philomena or Gerry's mother I think)

On the other hand Kate saying the twins didn't have much to do with Madeleine.

Depends on one's view of being motherly ? sad

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