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Re: Monday April 30th - day 2

Post by tigger on 26.02.13 11:31

sally66 wrote:My only problem with something happening earlier is that GA is adamant that M was last seen on the 3 May at 17.30 by an independent witness

I know you'll probably say that it was the substitute that was seen but I'm sure GA would have looked at these options

GA had to go with what he could prove - I don't think he believed David Payne who only made a statement regarding this after Amaral had asked the McCanns about a 6 hour gap when no one had seen Maddie except her parents. I think Dr. Roberts has written A Payne in the Glass - you'd have to look on McCannfiles for that.
He also didn't believe the McCanns or the T7, but they gave statements and signed these. As good as being under oath. They got out of committing perjury as there was no court case.

It's quite possible that the PJ doesn't believe Maddie was alive earlier in the week. They have to get a conviction. Everything we are 'purporting' here is well reasoned but it won't stand up in court. That's the job of the police - to provide proof. Not circumstantial evidence.

GA stressed time and time again that his book was to clear his name and all information was from official records (in interviews he has hinted at other evidence which was not published).




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Post by guest. on 26.02.13 12:34

Thank you for the replies, this is another area that has always bugged me, that the weeks timeline is such a shambles yet GA insists 3 May 17:30 last sighting

Could all the confusion be about hiding what they were really doing rather than that something had happened to M earlier?


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Post by tigger on 10.03.13 11:04

https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t3365p50-the-tapas-phone-autopsy?highlight=telephone+records

I noticed there is little about the phone calls on the 30th.

I'm no good at getting the coloured graphs across so here is the reference. mostly on page 7.

Kate has one call on the 28th. None on 29th or 30th. On May the first all hell breaks loose. Calls in the morning finishing with 6 in quick succession just before the crying starts.
Kiko thinks it's highly unlikely that 48 hours of silence followed by this activity means that something happened on the 1st of May. Why the 48 hours of silence?

The 30th is glossed over in many way, there are a number of posts on the above thread about 30th april.
The trip to the supermarket arouses my curiosity. JT thinks she can remember it.

Two more to do with JT - an injury to her daughter's foot which she skips over and she once mentioned her daughter threw a tantrum. Hmm.
30th is the day imo. Emergency starting on the night of the 29th?

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Re: Monday April 30th - day 2

Post by bobbin on 10.03.13 14:13

I will need help from a bi-lingual Portuguese/English person for what has been a long term query for me.
In Goncalo Amaral's original writing where we read it as if he states that Maddie 'died' on 3rd May, can there be a clarification in translation that changes the meaning a bit?
Does he say 'she died' i.e. this was the date until which she had been alive, but had stopped 'being alive', on 3rd May.
Or does he say 'on the 3rd May, Maddie was dead' therefore she could not have walked and wandered, nor have been abducted as a 'live' child, but her 'dead body' would have been removed since it was not in the apartment (and later of course, the infallible dogs signalled cadavour and blood which was shown to be Maddie's).
The reason I ask this is because, Portuguese/ Spanish/Italian/French are basically 'Latin' based languages.
In French, 'elle est morte', can be either she 'died' and she 'is dead'. 'Mort' actually means 'still' i.e. 'without movement' and hence the meaning 'dead'.
In Anglo/Germanic language, we have 'sie starb' =she died, and 'sie ist tod' =she is dead. So we make a distinction.
What is the Portuguese equivalent?
The point is, Goncalo Amaral could well be saying that the investigation felt at the time that there appeared to be a credible witness to Maddie's live presence at 5.30, but that in spite of that, she was nevertheless dead, on the evening of May 3rd, i.e. a Live Maddie, was not to be found.
Here he would not need to be specifying if HE has/had any thoughts that she could have died at any day or time previously.
There could be two separate facts in the statement.
1. The investigators felt that a witness seemed to be credible at the time of his writing.
2. That she was not alive on the evening of 3rd May, hence a 'live' child was not abducted.
We are reading it as if Goncalo is saying that she died on 3rd May, when in fact he might be saying that she was 'dead' on 3rd May.
Who is that bi-lingual person, please, who can help here.

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Re: Monday April 30th - day 2

Post by tigger on 11.03.13 6:49

I've always thought that GA and the PJ in general went with what they could take to court. I believe that happens quite often in criminal cases.

Some crimes can never be proved so one has to go with what will stick. There were so many people involved bearing false witness, that it would be impossible to sort out.
Besides that, they were pressed by their own superiors who were in turn pressed by GB and associates - (btw. would you trust Socrates further than you could throw him?). It GB hadn't intervened and don't forget they weren't out of the woods in September - it took almost a year of manipulation and downright perverting the course of justice before they were free of arguido status, before the press was gagged.

The documents held back by the PJ are interesting, telephone records, creche sheets. etc. Dr. Amaral is a very intelligent man - left alone to do his job, he'd have nailed the whole thing, I'm sure. He wasn't sacked because he was incompetent but because he was far too good at his job.

The telephone records are non-existent for the 30th and the 1st, just one call each for Kate (the Swansea one I believe and in the context of assuming that date was the crucial one - see the Swansea connection topic) and one for Gerry.

The late afternoon/evening was the pointlessly mentioned trip to the supermarket with JT. Cleaning materials?

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Re: Monday April 30th - day 2

Post by Guest on 11.03.13 7:06

Nice post tigger yes

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Re: Monday April 30th - day 2

Post by bobbin on 11.03.13 8:03

@tigger wrote:I've always thought that GA and the PJ in general went with what they could take to court. I believe that happens quite often in criminal cases.

Some crimes can never be proved so one has to go with what will stick. There were so many people involved bearing false witness, that it would be impossible to sort out.
Besides that, they were pressed by their own superiors who were in turn pressed by GB and associates - (btw. would you trust Socrates further than you could throw him?). It GB hadn't intervened and don't forget they weren't out of the woods in September - it took almost a year of manipulation and downright perverting the course of justice before they were free of arguido status, before the press was gagged.

The documents held back by the PJ are interesting, telephone records, creche sheets. etc. Dr. Amaral is a very intelligent man - left alone to do his job, he'd have nailed the whole thing, I'm sure. He wasn't sacked because he was incompetent but because he was far too good at his job.

The telephone records are non-existent for the 30th and the 1st, just one call each for Kate (the Swansea one I believe and in the context of assuming that date was the crucial one - see the Swansea connection topic) and one for Gerry.

The late afternoon/evening was the pointlessly mentioned trip to the supermarket with JT. Cleaning materials?
Thanks tigger, I think this helps then to put Goncalo's '3rd May' comment, that Maddie 'died on 3rd' into perspective.
We have done so much analysis and come up with a date(s) that does not concur with the possibilities on 3rd, and yet we know Goncalo knows so much more, so much is held back.
As he has shown himself to be such an upright man, one who speaks the honest truth, we had a conflict in our minds as to how to make the 3rd fit.
I am content that it was either a nuance of the 'translation' issue, or was what was necessary at the time, based on information presented, to get the arguidos status lifted.
More has followed however, because Goncalo would not be silenced, nor would those ordinary members of the public who have followed this case and delivered analysis which, I guarantee, the McCanns in their narcissistic arrogance, never imagined would come from so many untold corners of the world, via the internet, to show their inconsistencies up for what they are, 'compound lies'.

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Re: Monday April 30th - day 2

Post by russiandoll on 11.03.13 9:25

re bobbin's question about Portuguese grammar.

1. When used adjectively with ser or estar, "morto" means "dead"; when used
passively with "ser" or actively with "ter", it means "killed".
(text taken literally from an English course on Portuguese)

So,
the correct translation of "he is dead (is deseased)" would be what?
Está morto? Ou É morto? Or can one say both in Portuguese with the same
meaning?
Clearly "being dead" is an irreversable state, which would account for "ser". However, I've read "Está morto" also.

Beware,
"ser" with the pretérito passado is used in the passive tense, as in
"ele foi morto por um inimigo - he was killed by an enemy"...
However, to circumvent that particular "problem", the sentence "He is dead" is being translated as "Está morto"?
(although
- according to the "general" rules - it would be more obvious (obvious
to us, poor non-portuguese that is, trying to understand why/which...
;-))) to translate it as "Ele é morto", being a characteristic, an
irreversable state even)

A question for a native Portuguese to answer, I guess...



2. I'm not a native Portuguese speaker, but it seems to me that, upon
finding someone dead, you'll say Está morto!. He does not move, has no
vital signs, you realize he's dead, so you exclaim Está morto! But if
somebody asks about your father and he's been dead for a long time, you
would answer 'é morto". Am I right?


3. I'm a native speaker and the correct way is "Está morto!".

4. "é morto" it wrongly said, the correct way would be "morreu", " o meu
pai morreu" (my dad has died) or "ele morreu" (he died), "está morto hà
alguns anos" ( it is dead for some years), "morreu hà alguns anos" (died
some years ago).


what did GA write in the original Portuguese? Am looking, can't find ......

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Re: Monday April 30th - day 2

Post by bobbin on 11.03.13 10:10

@russiandoll wrote:re bobbin's question about Portuguese grammar.

1. When used adjectively with ser or estar, "morto" means "dead"; when used
passively with "ser" or actively with "ter", it means "killed".
(text taken literally from an English course on Portuguese)

So,
the correct translation of "he is dead (is deseased)" would be what?
Está morto? Ou É morto? Or can one say both in Portuguese with the same
meaning?
Clearly "being dead" is an irreversable state, which would account for "ser". However, I've read "Está morto" also.

Beware,
"ser" with the pretérito passado is used in the passive tense, as in
"ele foi morto por um inimigo - he was killed by an enemy"...
However, to circumvent that particular "problem", the sentence "He is dead" is being translated as "Está morto"?
(although
- according to the "general" rules - it would be more obvious (obvious
to us, poor non-portuguese that is, trying to understand why/which...
;-))) to translate it as "Ele é morto", being a characteristic, an
irreversable state even)

A question for a native Portuguese to answer, I guess...



2. I'm not a native Portuguese speaker, but it seems to me that, upon
finding someone dead, you'll say Está morto!. He does not move, has no
vital signs, you realize he's dead, so you exclaim Está morto! But if
somebody asks about your father and he's been dead for a long time, you
would answer 'é morto". Am I right?


3. I'm a native speaker and the correct way is "Está morto!".

4. "é morto" it wrongly said, the correct way would be "morreu", " o meu
pai morreu" (my dad has died) or "ele morreu" (he died), "está morto hà
alguns anos" ( it is dead for some years), "morreu hà alguns anos" (died
some years ago).


what did GA write in the original Portuguese? Am looking, can't find ......
very interesting work there russiandoll, thank you, and it highlights a difference in expression.
With the active verb form now identified as 'morreu' I can now see that Portuguese permits the word 'to actually die' as opposed to being 'already dead'.
To die = verb, wheras to be dead =adjective.
I too am searching for the original and have failed so far.
I think it will be interesting to know the nuance of what Goncalo might have actually intended.

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Re: Monday April 30th - day 2

Post by tigger on 11.03.13 13:04

I've copied some posts from another topic here because they are very relevant here.

kate's book and 30th april
russiandoll on Sun Oct 09, 2011 12:46 am




Someone asked for info as to what Kate wrote in her book about her activities on this date.
Very interesting. as you would expect, a lot written about 28th [ 4 pages approx] when the family travelled and about their first full day in PDL , 29th April [approx 6 pages]
It then looks like there will be a brief summary of days to come as following a predictable pattern due to the fact she and Gerry liked a routine [ 1 page].... as if the next thing you might read after a brief outline of activities will be a fuller description of the notorious date, May 3rd.
This does not happen , however, there is a fair amount of detail for May 1and 2,[ 5 pages] and then as expected an entire chapter is devoted to the fateful day.
What sticks out like a sore thumb is that she writes NOTHING about the daytime activities of 30th April.
The following is all that the reader learns:

" On the evening of Monday 30 April I made my first foray to Baptista with Jane." [ref to trip to local supermarket]. "We wanted to stock up on a few essentials as the next day was a public holiday. We all managed to make it for dinner at the tapas restaurant that evening. Again , there was quite a cold wind , but there were plenty of amusing stories and mickey-taking to keep us cheerful."
There is a brief mention of the cleaner and her routine for the apartment and then it's straight on to May 1st.

Borrowed the book from local library, a most interesting read and as far as I am concerned, her silence about April 30th speaks volumes.
It is imo a significant date.


Newintown on Sun Oct 09, 2011 11:33 am




" On the evening of Monday 30 April I made my first foray to Baptista with Jane." [ref to trip to local supermarket]. "We wanted to stock up on a few essentials as the next day was a public holiday. We all managed to make it for dinner at the tapas restaurant that evening. Again , there was quite a cold wind , but there were plenty of amusing stories and mickey-taking to keep us cheerful."


Cleaning materials perhaps?




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" On the evening of Monday 30 April I made my first foray to Baptista with Jane."

I too thought this comment was really strange. Kate told us that the Millennium was to far away for breakfast and that every day they would have lunch in their apartment. So where did all those groceries come from?

lunch on the 29th & 30th, breakfast on the 30th

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Kate says that Gerry went to this supermarket 29th April to get a few items for lunch and cereal so that they could have breakfast from then on in their apartment. So breakfast in 5a from 30th onwards.

What really struck me as bizarre was Kate's reasonably full account of ALL days apart from 30th April.

28th when they only spent part of daytime hours there due to travel : 3+ pages

29th : 6+ pages

May 1: 2+ pages

May 2: 2 pages.

zero.....nada...nul....NOTHING ABOUT A FULL DAY SPENT IN PDL 30 APRIL AND THEN ONLY A BRIEF REF TO SUPERMARKET AND EVENING MEAL AT TAPAS.


Maybe just me ,but it makes the date 30 April very significant. Why the almost total silence over this date when she has described all others in varying amounts of detail. Fair enough if all other days after 29th merged together because of the routine of their activities.....but she does not do this in her book and then jump to 3 May. That would not be so remarkable. The fact that this is the ONLY day she chooses not to record at all apart from 2 brief references to shopping and eating, makes it a stand-out issue .

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p.s. Kate and 30th April

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As the supermarket trip took place evening 30th April and tapas meal was later on that evening.....Kate Mc Cann chooses to SAY ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about the activities of herself, her husband, her companions and her 3 children during daytime of 30th April.
ONLY 6 LINES written about 30th April when there are approx 16 PAGES devoted to writing about the holiday from 28th April until May 2nd.

The last we read of 29th is that she and Gerry were back in 5a at 11pm after their tapas meal.
No record of any activities until evening of 30th.
So an unusual day it would seem reasonable to conclude.
Any ideas why?
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Newintown wrote:" On the evening of Monday 30 April I made my first foray to Baptista with Jane." [ref to trip to local supermarket]. "We wanted to stock up on a few essentials as the next day was a public holiday. We all managed to make it for dinner at the tapas restaurant that evening. Again , there was quite a cold wind , but there were plenty of amusing stories and mickey-taking to keep us cheerful."


Cleaning materials perhaps??

Separate toothbrushes for the children weren't essential though. I would imagine the baptista store sold them?

unquote (all from the Tapas phone autopsy)

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Re: Monday April 30th - day 2

Post by russiandoll on 11.03.13 14:32

copying over my posts on the tapas group's phone records topic.. re- 30th April.



from Kate's diary.



Monday 30.04.2007

Breakfast apartment? apartment cleaning

Kids clubs:

Tennis 09.15-10.15 K

G 10.15-11.15

*? washing machine / blinds

Lunch - our apartment then → balcony F and Dave

Kids club?? beach

+ / - 16.00 K run 25 min.

16:30 Tennis lessons

High tea

18:30? tennis night for women

Recreational area

Afternoon: K and J Supermarket

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Post by russiandoll on 11.03.13 14:35

how did they know the times of their checks? [my post copied over from phone records discussion]

Have not completed reading of phone activity, but have read this from
truth for madeleine site which appears to confirm what I am seeing so
far, that mobiles left behind when they had tapas meals.


The evidence from the call logs gives the strongest clue that the “Tapas
9” left their telephones in their rooms when they went to dinner.
Clarence Mitchell, the McCann’s spokesperson, confirmed this. In an
interview, reported on 6th April 2008 by Ned Temko of “The Guardian”, Mr
Mitchell said: “You had nine people in a bar without watches on,
without mobile phones and absolute panic set in when they realised what
had happened…. We would say that, if the police had a perfect time line
across nine people, that would be a damn sight more suspicious than the
fractured, illogical, composite statements they might have got”


now of clarrie is correct, how did the likes of Gerry and his pal who
did the check manage to be as precise as 9.04 or 9.05 for one of the
checks? and the sighting that never was, JT was precise about the time I
think.
good job im a lady or id say it was all a load of b******s


Tigger kindly posted the answer to my question :

I think Kate says in the book something like ' at exactly 9.00 by his watch, Gerry got up...etc. ' I'll have to trawl it.
found it!
'After ordering his food, Gerry left to do the first check just before 9.05 by his watch. He entered the apartment via the patio
doors and noticed

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Post by russiandoll on 11.03.13 14:39

and another.....


Unless I have misread ,there are no records
of K or G phone activity for April 30th, the day about which virtually
nothing was said in Kate's book. the day Maddie was signed out of creche
in the p.m. after 15 minutes while the twins stayed in theirs
apparently. A break in the established routine which I would have
expected to be described more fully in a book titled " madeleine".
A very significant day imo.
I have always wondered was it one of the twins crying for Maddie 1st May, missing big sister who was no longer there?

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Post by Snifferdog on 11.03.13 15:35

Tigger wrote: I think Kate says in the book something like ' at exactly 9.00 by his watch, Gerry got up...etc. ' I'll have to trawl it.
found it!
'After ordering his food, Gerry left to do the first check just before 9.05 by his watch. He entered the apartment via the patio
doors and noticed ...
It really is amazes me how they are able to quote times to the minute but cannot remember whether they entered the flat by the patio doors or the front door etc.

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Post by plebgate on 11.03.13 15:43

Yes that is a very good point sniffer dog.

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Post by dentdelion on 11.03.13 16:24

How Mrs Fenn only heard one child crying for such a long period of time? Surely the twins would have joined in even if not sleeping alongside Madeleine? Again if Amelie was crying in absence of Madeleine, surely her brother would also have been in support?
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Post by Guest on 11.03.13 17:20

@russiandoll wrote:copying over my posts on the tapas group's phone records topic.. re- 30th April.



from Kate's diary.



Monday 30.04.2007

Breakfast apartment? apartment cleaning

Kids clubs:

Tennis 09.15-10.15 K

G 10.15-11.15

*? washing machine / blinds

Lunch - our apartment then → balcony F and Dave

Kids club?? beach

+ / - 16.00 K run 25 min.

16:30 Tennis lessons

High tea

18:30? tennis night for women

Recreational area

Afternoon: K and J Supermarket

Rest. - everyone

In Kates book 'madeleine' only the trip to the supermarket remains as a fact. "I made my first foray to Baptista with Jane"

All the other diary-mentioned 'facts' above are squirrelled away under a blanket: " The following days (i.e. starting with Wednesday 30th) settled into a similar pattern" And then:

We would have breakfast in the appartment;
We would drop Madeleine;
We would head to the courts for our hour long tennis lessons, mine was at 09.15, Gerry's at 10.15
(NOTE: so what was Gerry doing every day until 10.15?)

Etcetera.

Not once does Kate declare unequivocaly that on Wednesday she actually did this or that, the foray (?) to the supermarket aside.

Oh, and one attempt at stating a fact on this wednesday:
"again, there was quite a cold wind, but there were plenty of amusing stories and mickey-taking to keep us cheerful".

Presumably, dishing out amusing stories and mickey-taking (?) being some sort of adult outdoor heating replacement system, as these do not seem to have any bearing on the well being of their small children, left to fend for themselves in their cold unlit apartment(s).

And please note that the book does not repeat the mention of

the *? washing machine / blinds

Lunch - our apartment then → balcony F and Dave

Kids club?? beach

+ / - 16.00 K run 25 min.

16:30 Tennis lessons

High tea

18:30? tennis night for women


Now, why would that be?
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Re: Monday April 30th - day 2

Post by tigger on 11.03.13 19:50

Fiona Payne's rog: part two:
Reply “Erm, and I think why I’m thinking that is, I know Kate and Gerry did go to the beach, I think they tried to have lunch on the beach with the kids on one of the previous days and we didn’t, you know, and that’s maybe why I’m getting confused”.
1485 “Are you able to say what day that was that you think?”
Reply “Again, I couldn’t tell you. We didn’t really see Kate and Gerry for any lunchtimes, but I know one of those, I remember Kate saying it was a bit of a disaster, because Sean put his feet on the sand and didn’t like it and it was cold and windy and it was all a bit of a disaster, so they didn’t do it again. Erm, tut, yeah, so, you know, I am backtracking, but I think Thursday was the first day that we went down after the sleep time”.
Unquote.

Did not see them for any lunchtimes? I thought they all had this jolly lunch at the Paynes every day? That would include 30th.

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@tigger wrote:Fiona Payne's rog: part two:
Reply “Erm, and I think why I’m thinking that is, I know Kate and Gerry did go to the beach, I think they tried to have lunch on the beach with the kids on one of the previous days and we didn’t, you know, and that’s maybe why I’m getting confused”.
1485 “Are you able to say what day that was that you think?”
Reply “Again, I couldn’t tell you. We didn’t really see Kate and Gerry for any lunchtimes, but I know one of those, I remember Kate saying it was a bit of a disaster, because Sean put his feet on the sand and didn’t like it and it was cold and windy and it was all a bit of a disaster, so they didn’t do it again. Erm, tut, yeah, so, you know, I am backtracking, but I think Thursday was the first day that we went down after the sleep time”.
Unquote.

Did not see them for any lunchtimes? I thought they all had this jolly lunch at the Paynes every day? That would include 30th.

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Re: Monday April 30th - day 2

Post by Guest on 31.03.13 10:12

@russiandoll wrote:and another.....


Unless I have misread ,there are no records
of K or G phone activity for April 30th, the day about which virtually
nothing was said in Kate's book. the day Maddie was signed out of creche
in the p.m. after 15 minutes while the twins stayed in theirs
apparently. A break in the established routine which I would have
expected to be described more fully in a book titled " madeleine".
A very significant day imo.
I have always wondered was it one of the twins crying for Maddie 1st May, missing big sister who was no longer there?
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Those records were withheld from the public files by Pt judiciary, to be used later.
Fair enough, let later be now please!

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Re: Monday April 30th - day 2

Post by Khalgregar on 01.04.13 1:35

@russiandoll wrote:and another.....


Unless I have misread ,there are no records
of K or G phone activity for April 30th, the day about which virtually
nothing was said in Kate's book. the day Maddie was signed out of creche
in the p.m. after 15 minutes while the twins stayed in theirs
apparently. A break in the established routine which I would have
expected to be described more fully in a book titled " madeleine".
A very significant day imo.
I have always wondered was it one of the twins crying for Maddie 1st May, missing big sister who was no longer there?

The crying is all wrong whichever way you look at it. Either somebody was crying for 'Daddy', or somebody was crying for 'Maddie'. If it was 'Daddy', this doesn't look very good for Kate. Children cry for their mother, unless their mother is already there and not helping, or they have a bad relationship with their mother. If it was 'Maddie', well ... it's the only way I can make sense of Kate's insistence that they didn't call her by this shortened form, which contradicts verifiable fact. And it would indicate that something had probably happened to Maddie at this point.

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Re: Monday April 30th - day 2

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30th April

Post by Guest on 28.06.15 15:07

Thought I'd bump this topic as the date has been much discussed recently.

There's more discussion of Monday, 30th in one of the creche threads.
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Re: Monday April 30th - day 2

Post by sallypelt on 28.06.15 15:37

Ladyinred wrote:Thought I'd bump this topic as the date has been much discussed recently.

There's more discussion of Monday, 30th in one of the creche threads.

This is what Stephen Carpenter said in his statement about Gerry McCann, around the date in question:
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DCF: On Sunday, Monday and Tuesday, it says here that you got on well, that he communicated easily, he was fun, he talked to you about golf which was his favourite sport, that he wanted to improve his tennis during the week. On Sunday or Monday he twisted his ankle, but managed to keep on playing, and on Sunday morning he only played tennis with Kate, that you saw them both playing sport and they passed by you at the bar on the beach and this was Sunday or Monday at about mid day.

SC: Mmm, mmm.

DCF: And you saw both Gerry and Kate at the Tapas Bar on Sunday and afterwards on Thursday in the evening, apart from these occasions you just saw them in passing at the resort and you had no opportunity to get to know Kate'

SC: No.


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So, when exactly, did Gerry McCann "twist his ankle"? From SC's statement it appears to be on the 30th April (Sunday)

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Re: Monday April 30th - day 2

Post by Guest on 28.06.15 15:45

SC, in the above quote, says Sunday (29th) or Monday (30th).
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