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Post by bellatrix on 31.01.10 17:03

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@vaguely1 wrote:And how would they behave if she had died in an accident and they'd disposed of her body....
You might like to compare their behaviour with that of other people known to have covered up their crimes with a believeable 'cover story' [P.S. to Carter Ruck - not saying that this is what Drs G & K McCann have done]


Could you provide some examples please so I may check them out? TIA
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Post by aliberte2 on 31.01.10 21:24

@Laffin Assasin wrote:Were Human remains found at in the Jersy case ?

Yes !

Where?
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Post by Laffin Assasin on 31.01.10 23:06

Teeth
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Post by marigold on 01.02.10 0:09

@Laffin Assasin wrote:Teeth
That'll shut them up. I am sick of reading rubbish posts about pork in respect of these world class dogs. angry
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Post by vaguely1 on 01.02.10 8:20

@marigold wrote:
@Laffin Assasin wrote:Teeth
That'll shut them up. I am sick of reading rubbish posts about pork in respect of these world class dogs. angry

Did the cadaver dog, or the search team find the teeth?

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Post by marigold on 01.02.10 11:44

@vaguely1 wrote:
@marigold wrote:
@Laffin Assasin wrote:Teeth
That'll shut them up. I am sick of reading rubbish posts about pork in respect of these world class dogs. angry

Did the cadaver dog, or the search team find the teeth?

These moronic posts about the dogs are extremely jarring. Quite obviously to anyone who knows the slightest thing about the dogs is aware that the dog alerts to the cadaver scent in order for a search time to dig or look in the area for evidence as a result of the alert. I think teeth would come into this catagory.
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Post by vaguely1 on 01.02.10 11:48

Yes, just wondering if they did. Because if they're milk teeth that came from a living child then the dog would ignore then wouldn't they?

I can't recall if the dog found the teeth or not.

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Post by Pascal on 01.02.10 12:32

I seem to remember a report about teeth being found.

Marigold no one is making moronic posts here. Everyone has an opinion.

The dogs' 'intelligence' is a sticking point for me also. But I don't swallow everything I hear on forums or read in the Sun.
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Post by Tony Bennett on 01.02.10 12:37

@vaguely1 wrote:Yes, just wondering if they did. Because if they're milk teeth that came from a living child then the dog would ignore then wouldn't they?
Yes, because Eddie is specifically trained only to detect human cadaverine, a chemical uniquely produced when a body has been dead for at least 90 to 120 minutes.
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Post by Pascal on 01.02.10 12:41

I can't find anything about teeth. But just a reminder to those who ridicule the dogs findings and for those who scream ' coconut shell!!' every time it is mentioned http://www.heraldscotland.com/home-truths-1.828516

I know the report is almost two years old - but it should not be forgotten.
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Post by vaguely1 on 01.02.10 12:51

I wish they would update those reports to explain that it wasn't skull and that the shackles were bed springs.

It does nothing for the victims of these places to overplay what was found and what went on.

I don't suppose that sells papers though 'Faked Abduction' Book - The Sun 27.01.2010 - Page 4 Icon_cry

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Post by vaguely1 on 01.02.10 12:53

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@vaguely1 wrote:Yes, just wondering if they did. Because if they're milk teeth that came from a living child then the dog would ignore then wouldn't they?
Yes, because Eddie is specifically trained only to detect human cadaverine, a chemical uniquely produced when a body has been dead for at least 90 to 120 minutes.

Although he is trained to find blood as well - so I suppose he would be able to find them.

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Post by Pascal on 01.02.10 13:24

The horrors that went on there should not be swept away with the usual sensationalist reports. There were witnesses ready to give evidence of the abuse they had suffered - a pity they could not have their day in court.
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Post by Tony Bennett on 01.02.10 14:21

@Pascal wrote:The horrors that went on there should not be swept away with the usual sensationalist reports. There were witnesses ready to give evidence of the abuse they had suffered - a pity they could not have their day in court.
Yes, agreed wholeheartedly, and the same of course applies e.g. to the victims of...

* Thousands of paedophile Roman Catholic priests
* The Thomas Hamilton paedophile ring which triggered the Dunblane tragedy (well played Andy Muray by the way)
* The Kincora Boys Home paedophile ring in Northern Ireland
* The paedophile ring in North Wales children's homes
* The paedophile ring in Rochdale involving Lord Cyril Smith
* The paedophile ring in Islington Children's Homes, covered up by the likes of Margarte Hodge and Harriet Harman
* The Casa Pia paedophile ring in Portugal
* The Marc Dutroux paedophile ring in Belgium...

...and to Hollie Greig.

Besides the child victims of many other adults who sexually abuse children for their own pleasure.
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Post by marigold on 01.02.10 15:10

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@Pascal wrote:The horrors that went on there should not be swept away with the usual sensationalist reports. There were witnesses ready to give evidence of the abuse they had suffered - a pity they could not have their day in court.
Yes, agreed wholeheartedly, and the same of course applies e.g. to the victims of...

* Thousands of paedophile Roman Catholic priests
* The Thomas Hamilton paedophile ring which triggered the Dunblane tragedy (well played Andy Muray by the way)
* The Kincora Boys Home paedophile ring in Northern Ireland
* The paedophile ring in North Wales children's homes
* The paedophile ring in Rochdale involving Lord Cyril Smith
* The paedophile ring in Islington Children's Homes, covered up by the likes of Margarte Hodge and Harriet Harman
* The Casa Pia paedophile ring in Portugal
* The Marc Dutroux paedophile ring in Belgium...

...and to Hollie Greig.

That's a frightening and horrifying list. I hope the Madeleine Mccann case won;t be an addition but I have a horrible feeling it will be.

Besides the child victims of many other adults who sexually abuse children for their own pleasure.
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Post by marigold on 01.02.10 15:13

@Pascal wrote:I seem to remember a report about teeth being found.

Marigold no one is making moronic posts here. Everyone has an opinion.

The dogs' 'intelligence' is a sticking point for me also. But I don't swallow everything I hear on forums or read in the Sun.

It's the 'pork' posts that infuriate me, sorry but I don't consider these jibes an opinion but an attempt to discredit the dogs; dogs that have an unblemished reputation.
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Post by vaguely1 on 01.02.10 15:53

They don't react to food prepared for human consumption. I wouldn't let pork posts get to you.

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Post by aliberte2 on 01.02.10 16:06

@Laffin Assasin wrote:Teeth

Is that an Answer to Where? Because that is an Answer to What, Not Where.
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Post by aliberte2 on 01.02.10 16:07

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@vaguely1 wrote:Yes, just wondering if they did. Because if they're milk teeth that came from a living child then the dog would ignore then wouldn't they?
Yes, because Eddie is specifically trained only to detect human cadaverine, a chemical uniquely produced when a body has been dead for at least 90 to 120 minutes.

No, he is Not.
He Also Alters to Blood.
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Post by aliberte2 on 01.02.10 16:07

@marigold wrote:
@Pascal wrote:I seem to remember a report about teeth being found.

Marigold no one is making moronic posts here. Everyone has an opinion.

The dogs' 'intelligence' is a sticking point for me also. But I don't swallow everything I hear on forums or read in the Sun.

It's the 'pork' posts that infuriate me, sorry but I don't consider these jibes an opinion but an attempt to discredit the dogs; dogs that have an unblemished reputation.

Well no one Has Said Anything abotu Pork, have they? I asked Where the Jersey body Parts were found and THat's it.
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Post by aliberte2 on 01.02.10 16:08

@Pascal wrote:I can't find anything about teeth. But just a reminder to those who ridicule the dogs findings and for those who scream ' coconut shell!!' every time it is mentioned http://www.heraldscotland.com/home-truths-1.828516

I know the report is almost two years old - but it should not be forgotten.

It's not Ridiculing the Dogs to Suggest their Handler blows Their Credibility Up for Money.
The E for example, in EVRD -- Grimes Makes that Up. There is No such Term. Why does He do that?
The Dogs Can only Do so much.
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Post by Tony Bennett on 01.02.10 16:20

@aliberte2 wrote:
@Pascal wrote:I can't find anything about teeth. But just a reminder to those who ridicule the dogs findings and for those who scream ' coconut shell!!' every time it is mentioned http://www.heraldscotland.com/home-truths-1.828516

I know the report is almost two years old - but it should not be forgotten.

No, he is Not. He Also Alters to Blood. It's not Ridiculing the Dogs to Suggest their Handler blows Their Credibility Up for Money. The E for example, in EVRD -- Grimes Makes that Up. There is No such Term. Why does He do that? The Dogs Can only Do so much.
Read the whole of Martin Grimes' statements in the Portuguese files, and then perhaps, aliberte2, you'll have a better understanding that Eddie was trained to look for where human corpses had been lying, while Keela was the bloodhound sent in to find the blood.

And amazingly enough - guess what? - in some of the very same locations.

The idea that Grime exaggerated for profit is as risible as claiming (as some 'pros' do, that Amaral and his men smeared manufactured cadaverine all over the place in order to falsely accuse the McCanns of hiding a body. Apart from the very absurdity of that situation, Eddie was trained to alert to real human cadaverine, not a clever chemical fake.

Let's remind ourselves that Eddie in verified testing procedures had not given a false alert in around 200 previous outings.

Amd let's also remind ourselves - and solemnly ponder - Eddie's previous acts which helped to obtain criminal convictions.

It's all in the Portuguese police files, aliberte2:

EVRD OPERATIONAL CASEWORK EXAMPLES

1. Northern Ireland, UK A missing person, last seen returning from church, on foot, in N. Ireland. The search of suspects’ 'burnt out vehicle' by forensic scientists did not reveal any evidence. A search by the E.V.R.D. identified a position in the rear passenger foot-well where the dog alerted to the presence of human material. A sample was taken and when analysed revealed the victim’s DNA. The enquiry then concentrated its efforts on the suspect and the E.V.R.D. located the body of the woman in a river-bank deposition site. Further searches identified a location where the E.V.R.D. alerted in the front bedroom of the offender’s empty next-door dwelling house. When interviewed, the suspect admitted that the body had lain in the room for 1 hour prior to disposal. Forensic teams were unable to extract any forensic evidence despite being shown the exact position.

2. Wiltshire, England, U.K. A female was abducted by her ex-boyfriend. Intelligence suggested that her ex-boyfriend had taken her to his house. A search by the EVRD of the house resulted in small blood stains being alert-indicated, and forensically confirmed as her blood. The suspect, a builder, was in possession of a van. This was searched and the EVRD dog alerted to a 'wacker plate', spirit level, and a shovel. A site was identified where the suspect had been working. The EVRD then located the body deposition site in an area of a garbage base that had been prepared by the suspect. He had returned with the dead girl, dug a grave in the centre, placed the body in the hole, replaced the spoil and then used the shovel, wacker plate and spirit level to return the ground to its original state.

3. Devon, England, U.K. A female was abducted and her whereabouts were unknown. The suspect was a bus driver. An initial search by the E.V.R.D. alerted at a location near to a sighting of the suspect in suspicious circumstances. A forensic search at the alert location revealed a small button off from the girl’s clothing in long grass.
The offender confessed to the murder and confirmed her body had been
initially temporarily placed at the dog's alert location.

4. Cornwall, England, U.K. A woman was reported missing by her partner. A search of the suspect’s house by the EVRD was conducted, and he indicated on the living room carpet. No forensic evidence was recovered. Subsequently, a diary written by the suspect was alert-indicated by the dog. The diary had written extracts stating that the offender had laid the victim on the carpet whilst dead. The diary had in fact been written by the suspect who had handled the body. This was confirmed by the offender in interview.
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Post by Pascal on 01.02.10 16:21

Perhaps 'ridicule' was too strong a word. 'dismiss' is more apt. :flower:
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Post by vaguely1 on 01.02.10 16:40

Eddie is also trained to alert to blood.

Also case 4, there was no forensic back up of the dog findings as far as I can see.

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Post by aliberte2 on 01.02.10 16:45

Tony, Eddie is Trained to Alert to Blood in Addition to the Cadaver Scent. That's a Fact.
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