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Post by Tony Bennett on 02.11.11 9:16

Verbatim from Dr Kate McCann's book, pages 289-290:

“Adam Tudor and his colleagues [at Carter-Ruck] continue to do a vast amount of work for us, without payment, most of it quietly, behind the scenes…”
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Post by Xavier on 02.11.11 10:01

@Tony Bennett wrote:Verbatim from Dr Kate McCann's book, pages 289-290:

“Adam Tudor and his colleagues [at Carter-Ruck] continue to do a vast amount of work for us, without payment, most of it quietly, behind the scenes…”

Carter Ruck working without payment? Is that a pig flying past my window? They would be a laughing stock amongst their peers.

But they MIGHT be working on a conditional fee basis.
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Post by happychick on 02.11.11 10:08

@Xavier wrote:
@Tony Bennett wrote:Verbatim from Dr Kate McCann's book, pages 289-290:

“Adam Tudor and his colleagues [at Carter-Ruck] continue to do a vast amount of work for us, without payment, most of it quietly, behind the scenes…”

Carter Ruck working without payment? Is that a pig flying past my window? They would be a laughing stock amongst their peers.

But they MIGHT be working on a conditional fee basis.

Are you saying Kate is lying?

(AGAIN!!!!!!)
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Post by jd on 02.11.11 10:20

Nobody does anything for free. There will be an alternative 'payment' which will benefit both parties

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Post by Tony Bennett on 02.11.11 10:26

@jd wrote:Nobody does anything for free. There will be an alternative 'payment' which will benefit both parties
But Dr Kate McCann said her book would be 'very truthful'
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Post by happychick on 02.11.11 10:35

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@jd wrote:Nobody does anything for free. There will be an alternative 'payment' which will benefit both parties
But Dr Kate McCann said her book would be 'very truthful'

Truthful? big grin

Very truthful? rotfl rotfl rotfl rotfl rotfl rotfl

She could never ever be trusted again. Who would want her to be their doctor? skull
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Post by Xavier on 02.11.11 10:36

@happychick wrote:
@Xavier wrote:
@Tony Bennett wrote:Verbatim from Dr Kate McCann's book, pages 289-290:

“Adam Tudor and his colleagues [at Carter-Ruck] continue to do a vast amount of work for us, without payment, most of it quietly, behind the scenes…”

Carter Ruck working without payment? Is that a pig flying past my window? They would be a laughing stock amongst their peers.

But they MIGHT be working on a conditional fee basis.

Are you saying Kate is lying?

(AGAIN!!!!!!)



Dr McCann lying? - heaven forbid.

But what is that elegant, useful little phrase? - ah yes - "economical with the truth". Are Carter-Ruck the most generous lawyers in the U.K.? 110921 - term resurrected by Sir Thomas Armstrong in the 80s.

Lawyer: What is the difference between a misleading impression and a lie?
Armstrong: A lie is a straight untruth.
Lawyer: What is a misleading impression - a sort of bent untruth?
Armstrong: As one person said, it is perhaps being "economical with the truth".
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Post by Tony Bennett on 02.11.11 10:41

A thread about the generosity of Carter-Ruck has become one about lying.
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Post by PeterMac on 02.11.11 11:52

@Tony Bennett wrote:A thread about the generosity of Carter-Ruck has become one about lying.
Possibly because of the oxymoronic nature of that phrase !

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Post by jd on 02.11.11 14:05

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@jd wrote:Nobody does anything for free. There will be an alternative 'payment' which will benefit both parties
But Dr Kate McCann said her book would be 'very truthful'

4 hours later and I'm still trying to stop laughing Tony!...Truthful and McCann just does not mix does it!!

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Post by jd on 02.11.11 14:08

@Tony Bennett wrote:A thread about the generosity of Carter-Ruck has become one about lying.

I think privately we all the know their motives....sorry carter ruck, I live in the UK and I am allowed to have an opinion from peoples behaviour...its called freedom of speech which we proudly bleat to other countries about when we go to war and change their governments.

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Post by aiyoyo on 02.11.11 14:16

@Tony Bennett wrote:Verbatim from Dr Kate McCann's book, pages 289-290:

“Adam Tudor and his colleagues [at Carter-Ruck] continue to do a vast amount of work for us, without payment, most of it quietly, behind the scenes…”

The author who penned that is a birdbrain surely!
Come on, which lawyer leads an orchestra down Trafalgar Square just to demonstrate they've got a job to do for their client?

Isn't it the norm that all lawyers work behind the scenes, or do they have to shout from the roof top of their client's residence to show they are working hard for their client?
What I fail to grasp is why did the birdbrain authoress kate have to state so explicitly CR did plenty work for them on the quiet - what is there to be SO secretive about? By implication does it mean their work for the mccanns is dodgy or criminal in nature and not to be exposed to light in case they disintegrate into smithereens? Otherwise why the need to hide the fact they were working their butt off for the mccanns and all for no monetary gain ( if kate is to be believed)?

Isn't is patently obvious all lawyers observe confidentiality to a T where works for their client are concerned? Or does birdbrain kate thinks she's exception? Well, let's put it this way: even a birdbrain knows kate is trying to inflate her importance - a typical symptom of megalomaniac.

Anyone with a modicum of living cellular knows Kate is lying with as many teeth in her mouth where the FOC is concerned. No lawyer works FOC - at most it's on a 'no win no fee basis'. Granted some buddy lawyers representing celebrity might undertake work pro-bono to develop their reputation but is CR in that category - new wanabes on the block? Hey, come on who is kate kidding!
There is no such thing as a free lunch in this world. Even a lawyer working pro-bono is hoping to gain credits for works done for their celebrity client. Honestly, can anyone see CR trying to earn credits for representing the mccanns? And how I would like to know can they hope to gain credits working for the mccanns if they worked on the quiet that no one has heard about it?

But....hey, WOW, my flabber is gasted that kate wants people to believe CR is a charity organization instead of a notorious law firm charging formidable fees that people have to pay through their noses.

Kate would have people believed that they are so pitiable that CR regarded them as 'SPECIAL' species needing 'SPECIAL' help - pigs could fly first before that happens. CR is not in the business to help poor and helpless kate surely! Or are they? So, who's lying?
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Post by aiyoyo on 02.11.11 14:20

@jd wrote:
@Tony Bennett wrote:
@jd wrote:Nobody does anything for free. There will be an alternative 'payment' which will benefit both parties
But Dr Kate McCann said her book would be 'very truthful'

4 hours later and Im still trying to stop laughing Tony!.....Truthful and mccann just does not mix does it!!

Goodness gracious me, if Kate knows the meaning of 'truthful' I will post up my naked bum!
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Post by Tony Bennett on 02.11.11 14:28

@jd wrote:
@Tony Bennett wrote:
@jd wrote:Nobody does anything for free. There will be an alternative 'payment' which will benefit both parties
But Dr Kate McCann said her book would be 'very truthful'
4 hours later and I'm still trying to stop laughing Tony!...Truthful and McCann just does not mix does it!!
I decided to see what Google made of the 'mix' of 'truthful' and 'McCann' - and by googling just those two words, the following five are the first entries that came up:

SOME FORUM POSTS MAY BE REMOVED DUE TO A CARTER-RUCK LETTER

Contradictions in Gerald McCann's statements might lead us to suspect ... the '
official truth' was conspired and established: an English girl was ... https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t3333-some-forum-posts-may-be-removed-due-to-a-carter-ruck-letter


The Facts versus the Fiction | Truth For Madeleine

17 May 2011 ... Kate McCann “How Do You Prove Innocence?” TRUTH FOR MADELEINE. Gerry
McCann “It Was Like Dining In Your Backgarden” ... http://truthformadeleine.com/2011/05/the-facts-versus-the-fiction/


163 questions the McCanns should address in their “very truthful ...

3 Feb 2011 ... 163 Questions that the McCanns should answer in their forthcoming 'very truthful'
book. On 12 May 2011, on what would have been Madeleine ... http://mccannexposure.wordpress.com/2011/02/03/163-questions-the-mccanns-should-address-in-their-very-truthful-book/


NHS: The McCanns' Abuse of Power

McCann case: The great difference between the truth and a lie. This summary
was originally written by 'bestbefore' and posted on the goodqualitywristbands ... http://gerrymccan-abuseofpower-humanrights.blogspot.com/


Dr Martin Roberts - 2011 - McCann Files

If the irrelevance of negligence is indeed the truth, then it is indeed unsettling. As
much as one might be taken aback by Gerry McCann's more recent faux pas in ... http://www.mccannfiles.com/id356.html
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Post by happychick on 02.11.11 14:28

spit coffee that won't be necessary aiyoyo big grin
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Post by pauline on 02.11.11 14:33

Presumably carter-Ruck proof read the truthful book for potential libel implications/inaccuracies?

they did not remove the sentence about their many hours of unpaid work.........so it must be true!?
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Post by aiyoyo on 02.11.11 14:37

big grin big grin : notme smilie
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Post by aiyoyo on 02.11.11 14:45

@pauline wrote:Presumably carter-Ruck proof read the truthful book for potential libel implications/inaccuracies?

they did not remove the sentence about their many hours of unpaid work.........so it must be true!?

...ah I see -.we forgot the proof reading work they did (FOC as well presumably) did we?
But....hmmmm...... they also did not remove the sentence regarding kate's vivid imagination to do with Maddie's anatomy ....hmmmm...so does it mean CR believed that to be 'truthful' as well?

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Post by Tinkerbell81 on 02.11.11 15:51

@happychick wrote:
@Tony Bennett wrote:
@jd wrote:Nobody does anything for free. There will be an alternative 'payment' which will benefit both parties
But Dr Kate McCann said her book would be 'very truthful'

Truthful? Are Carter-Ruck the most generous lawyers in the U.K.? 110921

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She could never ever be trusted again. Who would want her to be their doctor? Are Carter-Ruck the most generous lawyers in the U.K.? 968430

Dr McCann: "You are fine there is nothing wrong with you"
Patient: "Oh shit Im going to die..."

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Post by happychick on 02.11.11 16:05

@Tinkerbell81 wrote:Dr McCann: "You are fine there is nothing wrong with you"
Patient: "Oh shit Im going to die..."

Im sorry..... Are Carter-Ruck the most generous lawyers in the U.K.? 3361253850 Are Carter-Ruck the most generous lawyers in the U.K.? 742129

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Post by Tony Bennett on 02.11.11 18:10

@aiyoyo wrote:
@Tony Bennett wrote:Verbatim from Dr Kate McCann's book, pages 289-290:

“Adam Tudor and his colleagues [at Carter-Ruck] continue to do a vast amount of work for us, without payment, most of it quietly, behind the scenes…”
The author who penned that is a birdbrain surely!

What I fail to grasp is why did the birdbrain authoress Kate have to state so explicitly CR did plenty work for them on the quiet - what is there to be SO secretive about? - why the need to hide the fact they were working their butt off for the McCanns and all for no monetary gain ( if Kate is to be believed)?
Er, because if she wrote that they were paying Carter-Ruck out of the British people's kind donations to the Fund, and that Adam Tudor was charging £1,200 per hour (plus VAT) for his services, donations might dry up?
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Post by tigger on 02.11.11 18:26

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@aiyoyo wrote:
@Tony Bennett wrote:Verbatim from Dr Kate McCann's book, pages 289-290:

“Adam Tudor and his colleagues [at Carter-Ruck] continue to do a vast amount of work for us, without payment, most of it quietly, behind the scenes…”
The author who penned that is a birdbrain surely!

What I fail to grasp is why did the birdbrain authoress Kate have to state so explicitly CR did plenty work for them on the quiet - what is there to be SO secretive about? - why the need to hide the fact they were working their butt off for the McCanns and all for no monetary gain ( if Kate is to be believed)?
Er, because if she wrote that they were paying Carter-Ruck out of the British people's kind donations to the Fund, and that Adam Tudor was charging £1,200 per hour (plus VAT) for his services, donations might dry up?

I hope that these expenses will be duly entered in the account of the Company they run? Surely SY will also check these out? One lives in hope.
It's idiotic to believe that they work for nothing, for goodness sakes, they're not ambulance chasers. If they get super injunctions for their clients they get paid whether their clients get found out or not.
Well, what do you call twenty lawyers at the bottom of the sea?
A good start.

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Post by yadda_yadda on 02.11.11 18:28

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@aiyoyo wrote:
@Tony Bennett wrote:Verbatim from Dr Kate McCann's book, pages 289-290:

“Adam Tudor and his colleagues [at Carter-Ruck] continue to do a vast amount of work for us, without payment, most of it quietly, behind the scenes…”
The author who penned that is a birdbrain surely!

What I fail to grasp is why did the birdbrain authoress Kate have to state so explicitly CR did plenty work for them on the quiet - what is there to be SO secretive about? - why the need to hide the fact they were working their butt off for the McCanns and all for no monetary gain ( if Kate is to be believed)?
Er, because if she wrote that they were paying Carter-Ruck out of the British people's kind donations to the Fund, and that Adam Tudor was charging £1,200 per hour (plus VAT) for his services, donations might dry up?

And that's why Carter Ruck didn't ask for that to be edited out of Kate's book because if the donations dried up then so would money paid to Carter Ruck. You can never have too many libel writs flying around in the case of a missing child.

Do they really charge £1,200 + VAT per hour? Shocked
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Post by sharonl on 02.11.11 22:14

@Tony Bennett wrote:Verbatim from Dr Kate McCann's book, pages 289-290:

“Adam Tudor and his colleagues [at Carter-Ruck] continue to do a vast amount of work for us, without payment, most of it quietly, behind the scenes…”

Does she mean that they are working on a no win no fee basis as advertised on the CR website? The McCanns don't seem to be winning much lately, that would mean no fee. It would be a bit odd though, if CR operated this scheme for clients who preferred to avoid the courtroom and rely on out of court settlements.

Did she mean "most of it quietly, behind the screens"? - they seem to spend most of their time online.

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Post by Tony Bennett on 02.11.11 23:10

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@Tony Bennett wrote:Verbatim from Dr Kate McCann's book, pages 289-290:

“Adam Tudor and his colleagues [at Carter-Ruck] continue to do a vast amount of work for us, without payment, most of it quietly, behind the scenes…”

Does she mean that they are working on a no win no fee basis as advertised on the CR website? The McCanns don't seem to be winning much lately, that would mean no fee. It would be a bit odd though, if CR operated this scheme for clients who preferred to avoid the courtroom and rely on out of court settlements.

Did she mean "most of it quietly, behind the screens"? - they seem to spend most of their time online.

Dr Kate McCann has been quite specific in her 'very truthful' book: Carter-Ruck do 'vast amounts' of work for 'us' [presumably her and her husband] 'without payment'.

Moreover, in a letter I received from Carter-Ruck some time ago, they stated on the record that 'not a penny' had been paid to Carter-Ruck from the 'Find Madeleine Fund'.

Here then are two very clear statements, one from Dr Kate McCann stating that Carter-Ruck are doing 'vast' amounts of work for them for nothing ('no payment'), and another from Carter-Ruck themselves stating that they've never received a penny from the Find Madeleine Fund.

Now, the Carter-Ruck statement could be wholly true, though incomplete. They could be being paid by someone else.

By contrast, the statement by Dr Kate McCann is probably incorrect. What perhaps she could have said, more accurately, is "Gerry and I don't have to pay a penny for all the help they're giving us".

One feature of interest is the number of hours Carter-Ruck spend on this very forum, an issue which is monitored daily by the forum-owner. The usual length of stay is 30 minutes to 2 hours. On other occasions, it may be much longer. During the past two months alone, the total time that a Carter-Ruck computer has been staying on this forum amounts to literally hundreds of hours. I believe the full details of this huge amount of 'search time' will be disclosed on here in due course.

Now then, I get letters regularly from Carter-Ruck re the McCanns. So do many others. From Adam Tudor. From Isabel Hudson. From Stevie Loughrey. From Mary Peevers. And so on. These solicitors demand fees of hundreds of pounds an hour, more in the case of Adam Tudor.

Then they add 20% VAT on to their fees.

They have to pay their secretaries to write the letters.

Someone has to take instructions from the McCanns. Someone has to read my replies and take further instructions from the McCanns.

Someone sitting at a Carter-Ruck computer has spent literally hundreds of hours viewing posts on this forum.

In August I received two large ring binders, together weighing nearly a stone [6kg for those who do metric], containing nearly 1,000 pages of photocopies of 50 or so postings on this forum and 20 or so articles on The Madeleine Foundation website to which the McCanns objected. They were accompanied by neatly typed lists of all these posts articles, with the date and precise times they were published.

Someone had to read all those postings.

A lawyer had to read all those articles and postings, and maybe many more, to decide whether in his/her opinion they were libellous or not.

Someone in Carter-Ruck had to photocopy all those postings and articles.

Someone had to number all the pages and paginate the bundles.

It cost more than a few bob to post that package up to me.

Considering all of that, we come back to:

"We get all this help free from Carter-Ruck" - Dr Kate McCann, and

"We haven't got a penny from the Find Madeleine Fund" - Carter-Ruck.

Which leaves I think THREE questions.

1. Are Carter-Ruck doing all of this (and more against other potential 'defamers') for nothing?

2. If not, who IS paying them?

3. And - how much?

One day Carter-Ruck might be forced to disclose this.
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