McCanns Easter break Donegal 2007

Here's a link to an apparently independent site about the history of St Johnston which mentions the McCanns' link to Joe's bar.

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There is only one person named as working there now - Ann McNulty.

uppatoffee wrote:My 2 yr old daughter is also 90cm and she is average height for her age. The 3-4 clothes she has are 98cm - 1m +. 90cm would definitely be considered short for a 4 yr old.

And so is my 2 year old. just pasted 90 cm.
And if you look at the Donegal Photos, the twins look like they are close to 90 cm, compered with my own toddler. And no way is Madeleine 90 cm on those photos, she is clearly higher. If not im not for real either !!

I can not believe how the hell they got away with all the misinformation. Giving out pictures of her that are close to two years back when they have two days old photos of her, and then saying she is 90 cm ?? Clearly they didn't want people to look for the right girl ??
No way and im 200 % sure on this, she is not 90 cm. !! Thats just a bad joke unless they say she is a dwarf , but the pictures dont lie, usually..In this case there are truths and lies winding around eachothers..

I get so irritated about this case and feel so sorry for poor little Madeleine , whatever happened to her. Im sorry that her parents clearly have done evrything they can to make sure shes never found again..

why the heck does sean look so much bigger than his twin sister? Amelie looks the same as poolside photo supposedly taken just before disappearance, and I never saw a holiday snap of Sean. Maddies face for sure, but she looks so much older than that poolside photo meant to have been taken a few weeks later..........
something def not right here.

Kate says in her book that the police in Portugal took Maddies passport. that does not prove she was in Portugal though does it?. I am just starting to read the posts suggesting she might never have been on the Algarve in May........can't understand what the heck was going on if that was the case but Im intrigued. While the girl in the tennis ball photo looks much older than the compact girl at the pool, I have seen photos of a younger Maddie looking facially very similar to the Donegal photo.

Im beginning to ask myself if she had a twin !

TheTruthWillOut wrote:I decided to compare this picture:
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With Google Streetview images. I think it is interesting? We have a red painted house, "Tully Bookmakers" appears dark green with gold letters and "Edward Boyle &" is visible, and the reported date of this picture is mid-April 2007?
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This picture now has the red house now painted cream/beige? The sign's letters look completely different and "Edward Boyle &" is covered. Which would all be fine except, the Grey 4X4 in the foreground is, I believe, a Nissan Quasqai which wasn't launched in the UK/Ireland until late Feb 2007.
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In this picture the house is still not red. On the left hand side of the picture you will see, I believe, a white Ford Kuga 4X4, which wasn't launched in the UK/Ireland until April 2008.
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A closer look at the "Tully Bookmaker" sign. The same sign and colours as the one above with the grey 4X4.

To conclude: between late Feb 2007 to at least April 2008 the Tully bookmakers and it's neighbour don't appear to have changed.

That means the photo of the children at the beginning of this post must have been either:
1, Taken before Feb 2007 or sometime after April 2008.
2, Be Photoshopped
3, Or it is the wrong location. (I don't believe this)

My money would be on number 2. But *why* Photoshop it? It just baffles me. [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

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Great find, thanks. It's definately the same location, I can't help but think the betting shop looked better before the refurb? [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

Can someone upload this picture too please? looks like it was taken same day as the above, but direct and closer angle. I'm afraid I know nothing about cars so can't help with that bit.

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I have to say I wondered about the relevance of this thread when it first started but now it's turned out to be one of the most interesting.

If you look at the England and Wales birth records on Ancestry there is another girl born to parents with the names McCann and Healey around a similar but not the same time. I think she might have been called Emily - can't remember off the top of my head. The only other entries for children with this combination are Maddie, Sean and Amelie. There are also no marriages listed of people with these names. Quite tempted to order a copy just to see what it says!

[quote="Daisy"][quote="TheTruthWillOut"]I decided to compare this picture:
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It's not only Madeleine who doesn't seem to look the same in photos. Have a look at this one (sorry I can't print it direct) of the cousins Fiona and Gregor who are it's said in the ice-cream photo.

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It may just be me but does anyone think they look older in the Donegal photo than in the other one? I can't find the date it was taken but clearly it's after Madeleine's "disappearance".

Marian wrote:Here's a link to an apparently independent site about the history of St Johnston which mentions the McCanns' link to Joe's bar.

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There is only one person named as working there now - Ann McNulty.

I'm not so sure it is an independent source though Marian? If you look back to my OP you will see a link to the same site; this site is the only other source (outside of mainstream) that mentions "Joe's Bar" & "McCanns Bar". Also, Joe Peoples features quite a bit throughout this "community website" - he even writes for it. So does a Catherine Peoples. Interesting to know they have a section (mispelt) called "Madeline McCann". However, this is empty, maybe it was never written or maybe it was deleted. Who knows.

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@ Madge [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] Thankyou. Apologies that I didn't get the relevence over at the beginning. That's because presenting Info in a coherent order is not my strong point. Collating it, scrutinsing it, debating, discussing, Yup! Fine! Then when it comes to putting it down in a straight forward fashion, erm.. Nope! That's why I asked for help, I knew I wasn't alone in my suspicions about the Irish connection. There's some smart minds that visit this here forum. [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] That's the reason I come back.

I'll mention no names but I wonder if a certain notorious McCann supporter realises that she's spreading blatant lies, disinformation/misinformation, regarding the (UTE) videos/transcripts in her "Six Interviews of Kate & Gerry McCann"? Maybe she doesn't realise that she's promoting these lies & propaganda in her 'regrets & ramblings' blog? Maybe not, so I'll leave it awhile before ripping apart the disinfo she's peddling.

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I also agree with Jean & Nina. In fact Jean, I was hoping the link you gave was the photo I had in mind, it was! I can't upload photos but can someone please display the one of Gregor & Madeleine (long red dress) that was supposedly her 3rd birthday party (2006)? The boy looks no older 2 years later!

Daisy wrote:I also agree with Jean & Nina. In fact Jean, I was hoping the link you gave was the photo I had in mind, it was! I can't upload photos but can someone please display the one of Gregor & Madeleine (long red dress) that was supposedly her 3rd birthday party (2006)? The boy looks no older 2 years later!

Both the girl and the boy look older in the Donegal photo than in the one with Daddy John (wish you hadn't posted it so late at night, will I sleep after seeing that creepy, creepy face? - I think brother John is an important cog in the machine).

As Himself said, 'I don't believe you, I can use a spoon'.

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Maddie is too old there for her 3rd birthday, the same day the photo with the cake was taken? The cake seems to be for the twins.
We had quite a long thread on that last week, it can't be for the twins' birthday either, because the red flower in the background cannot be flowering by 1st Feb.
The cake / candle blowing photographs also looks photoshopped, there's quite a lot wrong with the arms, Maddie's hands and the shadows attached to the people. It looks as if this photo was taken the same day as the cake, the kitchen with Maddie looking sulky and this one.
She is wearing eyeliner again in the photographs. It's on the photographs and memories page 38.

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Daisy wrote:I also agree with Jean & Nina. In fact Jean, I was hoping the link you gave was the photo I had in mind, it was! I can't upload photos but can someone please display the one of Gregor & Madeleine (long red dress) that was supposedly her 3rd birthday party (2006)? The boy looks no older 2 years later!

Both the girl and the boy look older in the Donegal photo than in the one with Daddy John (wish you hadn't posted it so late at night, will I sleep after seeing that creepy, creepy face? - I think brother John is an important cog in the machine).

As Himself said, 'I don't believe you, I can use a spoon'.

Exactly tigger. There's no way there's 2 years between the boy in the 'Madeleine's birthday pics' in 2006 and the boy stood with his family wearing "Run for Madeleine" t shirts in 2008. Yet the Donegal photos show a much maturer looking boy early 2007? Jeez.. I'm baffled! [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

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I don't have any problem believing the two pics of Gregor (1 and 3) are around the same age. I think he's older in pic 2.

Lady-Heather wrote:According to the mccannfiles [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Jo Peoples leases a pub called The Fishermans Pub. This one is listed as being on Main St too, at [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] . I can see the odd little building now with the Guinness sign, next to a little chapel or church? It's not on a corner though as you say, whereas the Toland pub is. All quite odd IMO!

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I always presumed that St Johnston was a tight knit Catholic Community. I was wrong. That little chapel/church is the Orange Hall. Maybe not relevant but still interesting.

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To reiterate Daisy's point - the website '[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] is the only non-press or media website that states that McCann's bar/Joe's bar is owned by Eileen McCann. My instinct is that it's planted for us/the press to find.

This website came into incarnation early in 2007 (call me paranoid, but I think that's a bit coincidental), and a 'whois' lookup (which tells you the website's registrant) reveals that it was registered by a 'registrantprivacy.com', i.e. whoever registered it does not want to be identified. Highly unusual for a small community website, IMHO.

Having dwelled on this all day, I've started asking myself why would anyone make such a story up. And it's clear (to me) that this story is a work of fiction. The extent of the fiction, I don't know. The only compelling reason I can think of is to detract from some other story/information which was either in the news at the time of the 'abduction' or was at risk of being discovered. Why else were the press involved so early, and so insistently? It's possible to buy back issues of newspapers to analyse, but at £37 a pop I need to think about how much credence I give this theory before doing that.

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I don't have any problem believing the two pics of Gregor (1 and 3) are around the same age. I think he's older in pic 2.

My, thanks very much. Wish I could put photos up side by side like that. So you've come to the same conclusion then?

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I don't have any problem believing the two pics of Gregor (1 and 3) are around the same age. I think he's older in pic 2.

My, thanks very much. Wish I could put photos up side by side like that. So you've come to the same conclusion then?

Yes.
Can you tell me again please what years the pics were supposedly taken?

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Top to bottom:

Xmas 2005
Feb/May/or july!? 2006
6-10th April 2007
May 2008

If all the dates and pictures are legit, the biggest WOW for me is Fiona McCann. The difference between Xmas 2005 and April 2007 is massive.(16 Months) But the difference between April 2007 and May 2008 is very little! (~13 Months).

When I then look at all the other kids....................well

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Top to bottom:

Xmas 2005
Feb/May/or july!? 2006
6-10th April 2007
May 2008

If all the dates and pictures are legit, the biggest WOW for me is Fiona McCann. The difference between Xmas 2005 and April 2007 is massive.(16 Months) But the difference between April 2007 and May 2008 is very little! (~13 Months).

When I then look at all the other kids....................well

That is never baby Amelie with red hair? Bound to be someone else's baby. She was born blond and stayed blond? Not likely that a red haired baby turns blond within months? What does it say in Mein Kampf?
Maddie too old for 2005? 2.5 yrs by then. She looks more like three. Like the Christmas video, not much to show for Christmas, why not a photograph of the children around the tree? Christmas stockings?
But I can easily believe that the april 07 is in fact even later than may 08.

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I don't have any problem believing the two pics of Gregor (1 and 3) are around the same age. I think he's older in pic 2.

My, thanks very much. Wish I could put photos up side by side like that. So you've come to the same conclusion then?

Yes.
Can you tell me again please what years the pics were supposedly taken?

Well according to what they tell us, it's in running order innit! 1st pic: 2006 2nd pic: 2007 3rd pic: 2008. Perhaps young Gregor's got some kind of "Benjamin Button" disorder. [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

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Top to bottom:

Xmas 2005
Feb/May/or july!? 2006
6-10th April 2007
May 2008

If all the dates and pictures are legit, the biggest WOW for me is Fiona McCann. The difference between Xmas 2005 and April 2007 is massive.(16 Months) But the difference between April 2007 and May 2008 is very little! (~13 Months).

When I then look at all the other kids....................well [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

That is never baby Amelie with red hair? Bound to be someone else's baby. She was born blond and stayed blond? Not likely that a red haired baby turns blond within months? What does it say in Mein Kampf?
Maddie too old for 2005? 2.5 yrs by then. She looks more like three. Like the Christmas video, not much to show for Christmas, why not a photograph of the children around the tree? Christmas stockings?
But I can easily believe that the april 07 is in fact even later than may 08.

I think that the baby in the top photo could be Amelie as in this picture - [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] - what little hair she has does look reddish. How she ended up blonde I don't know!

Fiona was 11 in 2007 so the photo in December 2005 looks about right. However, I'm not convinced that she is the same girl pictured in 2008 though. As for the very big girl on the left in the Donegal photo, it wouldn't surprise me if that was her mother!

Daisy, apologies for not noticing that you'd already posted a link to the St Johnston site. I agree that the information therein is open to suspicion. Let's hope that we can persuade one of our Irish members to go on a pub crawl in St Johnston - purely for the purposes of the investigation of course.

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Daisy, apologies for not
noticing that you'd already posted a link to the St Johnston site. I
agree that the information therein is open to suspicion. Let's hope that
we can persuade one of our Irish members to go on a pub crawl in St
Johnston - purely for the purposes of the investigation of
course.

Please don't apologise Marian, [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] I didn't mean you should have noticed. I was just trying to pont out that [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] is the only other source (outside reporting on the McCann case) that tells us this pub "Joe's Bar"/"McCanns Bar" exists. Lady Heather tells me this website was set up early 2007, just another coincidence? It would be interesting to know exactly when it did go live.

Also thanks to Lady Heather for this little gem. The name "Joe's Bar" was only registered as a business 6th Feb 2009! The individual who registered it is named Martin Peoples, his profession is given as accountant, age 32. His address is also given as St Johnston. I belieive this is the reason we can't find any other mention of what is supposed to be quite an old drinking estabishment; it didn't exist prior to the McCann case!

Marian wrote:
I think that the baby in the top photo could be Amelie as in this picture - [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] - what little hair she has does look reddish. How she ended up blonde I don't know!

Fiona was 11 in 2007 so the photo in December 2005 looks about right. However, I'm not convinced that she is the same girl pictured in 2008 though. As for the very big girl on the left in the Donegal photo, it wouldn't surprise me if that was her mother!

Daisy, apologies for not noticing that you'd already posted a link to the St Johnston site. I agree that the information therein is open to suspicion. Let's hope that we can persuade one of our Irish members to go on a pub crawl in St Johnston - purely for the purposes of the investigation of course.
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The two photos, judging by the same clothes, were taken on the same day, so I think the girl in the middle is the same as the one on the rocks. Not her mum although they look like two peas from a pod.
Thinking about it, the one element in all the photographs which doesn't fit is Maddie. I looked as close as I could at the rock photo and feel that her face is rather awkwardly positioned. Then again with the ice cream, she is holding it very strangely. But a child smiling and with a similar haircut can be hard to identify (that's another feature, hair length and age goes up and down like a yo yo. If asked, I'd say the girl was 5 or 6 by the looks of her body.
No, I'm convinced it's not Maddie and that the photographs weren't taken before 2008.

We've just done the same with the airport video and bus video. Why were they released 7/5? I think to prove she was there. It seems to be the same here, but why prove just around 2008 (when exactly it was released would be good to know) that Maddie was in Ireland. Were questions asked about that time? Because Uncle John would have to arrange it and so on. But he appears to be very good at that.

i think the girl on the rock is def Maddie, looks like so many other photos of her [unless they were not her!!!]....I am more puzzled by the blond boy, I thought Sean but he is almost Maddies size and a lot bigger than his twin sister. and the size of his feet.....
i know growth happens in spurts, is it camera angle or am I looking at it wrong?

I have spotted something else that is unusual I think. The following pictures in what I believe to be in age order.

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Note the Blue plant pot in April 2007.
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Note the concrete plant pot. I believe this Streetview image was done in 2009 by Google.
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The final one is from November 2010. The Blue plant pot is back.

If all these dates are correct, why do the plant pots change? Do the council in Dungloe change them throughout the year?

the house next door has changed as well....not just new, but very different sized windows.

camera angle I reckon... ignore that post, I was wondering if that was the same street for a minute