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Post by aiyoyo on 27.10.12 9:58

It is unusual in the sense that it is not normal for police to ask for any or your records unless you are under Police radar.

There can be only two possible reasons for the refusal. Ie. Home Office was either involved in the cover up, or it was displaying a xenophobic attitude in denial that a pair of white middle-class NHS doctors could be involved in their own daughter's disappearance. Either way the Home Office non-cooperation hampered investigators from a proper investigation.
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Post by Smokeandmirrors on 27.10.12 10:24

The refusal to grant access to credit card records only fuels the speculation about what might need to be concealed. Most peoples, I would imagine, would contain very mundane purchases, and there is the old adage if your innocent you have nothing to hide. Just like the medical records. Had the credit card records been revealed I wonder where or to whom the trail would have led?

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Post by aiyoyo on 27.10.12 17:00

Maybe PM can tell us whether it is within Scotland Yard's review team power or right to ask for the denied records for inclusion for review.
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Post by DIBarlow on 30.10.12 20:54

Probably slightly OT for the thread title, so apologies for that, but I notice that in the following two photos Maddie appears to be wearing the same dress?

McCanns Easter break Donegal 2007 - Page 16 2OF20
McCanns Easter break Donegal 2007 - Page 16 21-06-08-MADDIE

The length of hair is also very comparable.

It's probably been covered before, but is it possible to put an accurate age to Maddie for these photos? As a comparison it seems some time before the following photo, judging by hair length and the size of the twin?

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Post by Nina on 30.10.12 21:00

@DIBarlow wrote:Probably slightly OT for the thread title, so apologies for that, but I notice that in the following two photos Maddie appears to be wearing the same dress?

McCanns Easter break Donegal 2007 - Page 16 2OF20
McCanns Easter break Donegal 2007 - Page 16 21-06-08-MADDIE

The length of hair is also very comparable.

It's probably been covered before, but is it possible to put an accurate age to Maddie for these photos? As a comparison it seems some time before the following photo, judging by hair length and the size of the twin?

McCanns Easter break Donegal 2007 - Page 16 Family

The two framed photographs on the hearth of babies, do you think they could be of Madeleine? Can anyone enlarge them please?

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Post by Miraflores on 30.10.12 22:49

The red dresses are presumably Christmas with Amelie at 20 months old and Madeleine at 3 years 7 1/2 months? So the iconic photo showing the eye was of a little girl and was already 4 months out of date and children can change quite a lot at that age. Hmm, wonder why? Was this because it was the clearest photo they had of the eye defect, which they didn't make much about?

In the Donegal one Amelie and Sean do look much as they were in photos taken that summer, so I imagine that it was Easter ish time?
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Post by tigger on 31.10.12 8:10

@Miraflores wrote:The red dresses are presumably Christmas with Amelie at 20 months old and Madeleine at 3 years 7 1/2 months? So the iconic photo showing the eye was of a little girl and was already 4 months out of date and children can change quite a lot at that age. Hmm, wonder why? Was this because it was the clearest photo they had of the eye defect, which they didn't make much about?

In the Donegal one Amelie and Sean do look much as they were in photos taken that summer, so I imagine that it was Easter ish time?

The red dress photograph was from christmas 2005, so one year and nearly 5 months before 3/5/07.
The Donegal photo is allegedly taken Easter 2007. The relative size of Maddie and Sean doesn't make sense. Maddie's body is barely bigger than Sean.


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Post by Nina on 31.10.12 8:13

@tigger wrote:
@Miraflores wrote:The red dresses are presumably Christmas with Amelie at 20 months old and Madeleine at 3 years 7 1/2 months? So the iconic photo showing the eye was of a little girl and was already 4 months out of date and children can change quite a lot at that age. Hmm, wonder why? Was this because it was the clearest photo they had of the eye defect, which they didn't make much about?

In the Donegal one Amelie and Sean do look much as they were in photos taken that summer, so I imagine that it was Easter ish time?

The red dress photograph was from christmas 2005, so one year and nearly 5 months before 3/5/07.
The Donegal photo is allegedly taken Easter 2007. The relative size of Maddie and Sean doesn't make sense. Maddie's body is barely bigger than Sean.


Yet there is a photo of Gerry walking holding Sean's hand and Sean looks very small. It is from the aftermath of the 'holiday', walking down an alleyway in PdL.

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Post by tigger on 31.10.12 9:21

@Nina wrote:
@tigger wrote:
@Miraflores wrote:The red dresses are presumably Christmas with Amelie at 20 months old and Madeleine at 3 years 7 1/2 months? So the iconic photo showing the eye was of a little girl and was already 4 months out of date and children can change quite a lot at that age. Hmm, wonder why? Was this because it was the clearest photo they had of the eye defect, which they didn't make much about?

In the Donegal one Amelie and Sean do look much as they were in photos taken that summer, so I imagine that it was Easter ish time?

The red dress photograph was from christmas 2005, so one year and nearly 5 months before 3/5/07.
The Donegal photo is allegedly taken Easter 2007. The relative size of Maddie and Sean doesn't make sense. Maddie's body is barely bigger than Sean.


Yet there is a photo of Gerry walking holding Sean's hand and Sean looks very small. It is from the aftermath of the 'holiday', walking down an alleyway in PdL.

That supports my theory that the body, with the pretty dress we've never seen anywhere else (a lot of Maddie's clothes are in several photos) was that of a younger girl. The head is very clearly pasted on and slightly too large for the body.
Proportion is everything - the Donegal pictures are confusing and imo they don't prove at all that Maddie was in Donegal at that time.
The relative size of Sean and Maddie doesn't compare to e.g. the tennis photo and the one Nina mentioned. At nearly four, Maddie would be a good head taller than Sean.

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Post by Guest on 31.10.12 10:57

They did seem to have a lot of holidays. This is from Michael Wrights Rogatory statement...........

On our side, we visited them in Rothley in November 2006 and they repeated their visit [to us] in February 2007. We work well together as a group and we know each other very well. We were planning a family holiday [together] for June 2007 at Center Park.


http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MICHAEL_WRIGHT.htm

So they went to see MW in Feb 2007. In April 2007 they were in Donegal. In May 2007 PDL, and then they were going to have a holiday at Center Parks in June 2007.
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Post by pauline on 31.10.12 11:28

All these holidays might explain why they couldn't afford the £9-10 ph to pay a nanny to babysit, and needed help paying their mortgage.

Holidays are good for health as they know well, being doctors.
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Post by DIBarlow on 01.11.12 20:00

@tigger wrote:
@Miraflores wrote:The red dresses are presumably Christmas with Amelie at 20 months old and Madeleine at 3 years 7 1/2 months? So the iconic photo showing the eye was of a little girl and was already 4 months out of date and children can change quite a lot at that age. Hmm, wonder why? Was this because it was the clearest photo they had of the eye defect, which they didn't make much about?

In the Donegal one Amelie and Sean do look much as they were in photos taken that summer, so I imagine that it was Easter ish time?

The red dress photograph was from christmas 2005, so one year and nearly 5 months before 3/5/07.
The Donegal photo is allegedly taken Easter 2007. The relative size of Maddie and Sean doesn't make sense. Maddie's body is barely bigger than Sean.

I do not think there is any doubt that the image chosen by the parents to broadcast around the world bore precious little resemblance to Maddie as she approached her 4th birthday.

This is truly astounding in my opinion.

As a yardstick, can anyone imagine the parents of poor April providing such an out-of-date image for people to try and find her?
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Post by Guest on 02.11.12 10:57

It has been questioned many times why old photos were issued immediately instead of those taken on the holiday.

Here is a link to the first Madeleine campaign film which does not include any of them.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7370942.stm

This confirms that they never made much of the eye defect!!
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Post by Guest on 02.11.12 11:17

Thanks Jean. Isn't it amazing just how many articles and videos have been whooshed. Just clicked on the link to the BBC page linked on this article entitled 'Madeleine parents make denial' and low and behold a large gap where the video was.............whooshed!!!
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Post by Guest on 02.11.12 11:21

That's strange, Candyfloss. The video isn't whooshed where I am!
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Post by Ribisl on 02.11.12 11:28

candyfloss wrote:Thanks Jean. Isn't it amazing just how many articles and videos have been whooshed. Just clicked on the link to the BBC page linked on this article entitled 'Madeleine parents make denial' and low and behold a large gap where the video was.............whooshed!!!
Candyfloss I don't think it's been whooshed. I can see it and hear Gerry saying 'I've never heard before that anyone considered us as suspects in this.' coffee

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Post by Guest on 02.11.12 11:30

Jean wrote:That's strange, Candyfloss. The video isn't whooshed where I am!

Yes, you're right Jean, just gone back and it's there now. It was a blank spot before, how odd.
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Post by Guest on 02.11.12 12:14

It's interesting that, even at this early stage, there were suspicions about the McCanns. When Kate starts "To be honest....." you know that you're in for a load of porkies!
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Post by DIBarlow on 17.12.12 12:36

@DIBarlow wrote:Probably slightly OT for the thread title, so apologies for that, but I notice that in the following two photos Maddie appears to be wearing the same dress?

McCanns Easter break Donegal 2007 - Page 16 2OF20
McCanns Easter break Donegal 2007 - Page 16 21-06-08-MADDIE

The length of hair is also very comparable.

It's probably been covered before, but is it possible to put an accurate age to Maddie for these photos? As a comparison it seems some time before the following photo, judging by hair length and the size of the twin?

McCanns Easter break Donegal 2007 - Page 16 Family

For links to the images to work, they have to be updated as instructed by Pamalam (insert '/m' after 'co.uk/')
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Post by Lance De Boils on 31.12.12 14:23

There was a very long thread on the MCF called "Dating the Photos". Can someone put it here? Well, not the whole thread, but the most recent compilation of pics on there with attempts at dating them. It's very interesting.
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Post by DIBarlow on 31.12.12 17:01

Of all the photographs released of Maddie, how many featured her 'constant companion' Cuddle Cat?
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Post by Guest on 31.12.12 17:06

In a word - none!

There is a baby photo where she has some sort of pink toy but it's not clear what it is.
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Post by DIBarlow on 31.12.12 17:11

Jean wrote:In a word - none!

There is a baby photo where she has some sort of pink toy but it's not clear what it is.

Really Jean? There are no photos of her with CC at all?

I recall the impression given by her parents that she never went anywhere without CC? One of the reasons they instantly 'knew' she'd been 'abducted' was that reliable old CC was still there in the apartment?
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Post by Guest on 31.12.12 17:22

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/m/CUDDLE_CAT.htm

The baby photo I mentioned is the first one on this link. All the others are of the McCanns' attempts to show us how important Cuddle Cat was to them and the twins.
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Post by tigger on 31.12.12 17:29

Jean wrote:http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/m/CUDDLE_CAT.htm

The baby photo I mentioned is the first one on this link. All the others are of the McCanns' attempts to show us how important Cuddle Cat was to them and the twins.

There is one where they're walking on the beach - one of the photo opportunities - and I swear Kate is hiding her giggling by using CC. Gerry is looking down, also suppressing a smile.

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