McCanns Easter break Donegal 2007

Quote tigger: "I really think that with all the work done on this topic, it must be
clear that the Donegal Easter holiday (for all we know they were there
one day) is one of the keys to the mystery. Imo a very important one.
If
we could work out what actually happened in Donegal it will throw a lot
of light on PdL. I'm sure the photographs are faked and the news with
Philomena's standard phrases was out there indecently quickly to get
max. publicity."

Tigger, I'm afraid I haven't got round to researching the other places you mention in depth like you, (but I will!) so I can only comment on what I know for now and that's this Donegal mystery.

I'm definitely with you on Donegal being an important key to unlocking some important information.

The usual reason for such a large group of extended family/friends to get together like this is for a wedding, christening or funeral. Hmmm....

Now onto the faked photographs. I hope someone can help me with this one, it's driving me nuts! I've been on google st view searching the exact location of this photo, and it doesn't appear to exist! There is NO wall where the children are supposed to be sitting. There is a building under reconstuction (a bank?) opposite Tully's with a wall, but that has old fashioned railings attached, so can't be that. The only other expanation is that they're sat on the Kerb edge - but it doesn't appear raised ebough from the st view images?

Unfortunately I can't put images up from st view to show what I mean but you can see by typing in - 'Main st, Dungloe, Donegal' Any help would be greatly appreciated, even if it's just to dismiss 'the missing wall'. I'd like to put this one to bed and move on.

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Daisy: could you check the link please? Unless it's me and my computer throwing a wobbler, it relates to a restaurant in San Francisco!

Hi Marian. Yes, I just put the link up for quickness, it doesn't save location, just defaults back to that restaurant. You need to type: Main st, Dungloe, Donegal, then Tully's is pretty easy to find. [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

I wonder which bookmakers Philamena was referring to in following quote? Did she mean Tully's, is there some significance with this photo? Tully's isn't just a small concern, they have 35 branches throughout Ireland.

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Phil McCann: "Philomena revealed that the community in St. Johnston have sent their
support. She said that a brother-in-law of Liam Toland from the local
bookmakers works for Microsoft and had arranged for 100 million emails
to be sent worldwide."That will make a phenomenal impact," she said." - 15th May 2007

Daisy wrote:Quote tigger: "I really think that with all the work done on this topic, it must be
clear that the Donegal Easter holiday (for all we know they were there
one day) is one of the keys to the mystery. Imo a very important one.
If
we could work out what actually happened in Donegal it will throw a lot
of light on PdL. I'm sure the photographs are faked and the news with
Philomena's standard phrases was out there indecently quickly to get
max. publicity."

Tigger, I'm afraid I haven't got round to researching the other places you mention in depth like you, (but I will!) so I can only comment on what I know for now and that's this Donegal mystery

I'm definitely with you on Donegal being an important key to unlocking some important information.

The usual reason for such a large group of extended family/friends to get together like this is for a wedding, christening or funeral. Hmmm....

Now onto the faked photographs. I hope someone can help me with this one, it's driving me nuts! I've been on google st view searching the exact location of this photo, and it doesn't appear to exist! There is NO wall where the children are supposed to be sitting. There is a building under reconstuction (a bank?) opposite Tully's with a wall, but that has old fashioned railings attached, so can't be that. The only other expanation is that they're sat on the Kerb edge - but it doesn't appear raised ebough from the st view images?

Unfortunately I can't put images up from st view to show what I mean but you can see by typing in - 'Main st, Dungloe, Donegal' Any help would be greatly appreciated, even if it's just to dismiss 'the missing wall'. I'd like to put this one to bed and move on.

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I've just been over pages 6 and 7 to check the work of TheTruthwillout and Lady Heather (where is she?) I seem to remember one member, possibly Gillyspot, who said she'd check the place out on her next holiday.
Sorry Daisy, I can't help, everything is wrong about those photographs and the stories.
The other places I mentioned - I just thought: if they were seen in Zaival Beach at Easter, that's no problem, because the only 'proof' we have of their stay in Donegal are four (not five) luggage or boarding passes for the 10th of April. Easter was a few days earlier, so both can be possible. They could just have been in Donegal for the day.
I am now wondering if the whole Irish myth is to cover up what was going on in Zaival and possibly Burgau.
The abduction was imo planned well in advance, they needed evidence of Maddie's presence and therefore photographs were 'adjusted'.
As I said in an earlier post here, I think a number of photographs were adjusted at the same time, very early and very likely before 28/4/07, including the Irish ones and the tennis girl.
Perhaps we should think of the whole abduction as the final act of a three- or two part play. The abduction being the least of our worries.
I can see - all this is purely theoretical of course! - a situation where the questionable photos in Burgau, the Zaival Easter sighting and the presence of both JT and RM could have brought about the reason for the abduction.
For a start she looks drugged in the make-up photo. The ice-cream one is probably from that period as well and where there are two questionable photographs we may postulate many others.

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This is the best I can do. Please do check it out - there is no wall, there is nowhere opposite that bookmakers where that photo could have been taken. [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

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This is the best I can do. Please do check it out - there is no wall, there is nowhere opposite that bookmakers where that photo could have been taken. [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

Sorry you are wrong - if you look there's a black bin opposite the Tully shop. The kerb near there is raised up from the pavement forming a tiny wall and I think that's exactly where the photo was taken. On the map image there's a car parked where the photo was taken.

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Sorry you are wrong - if you look there's a black bin opposite the Tully shop. The kerb near there is raised up from the pavement forming a tiny wall and I think that's exactly where the photo was taken. Just imagine as you look at the photo of the kids, the one on the far right has that black bin on their right and you'll get the idea.

Thank you so much for your help, I see now. They are sat right in front of the parking bay outside the book shop on the kerb. I did say earlier that the only other explanation is - they are sat on the kerbside. Still a strange place for a photo opportunity though.

I'll tell you what confused me more; the google images are interchangeable. One minute there's a giant icecream outside the 'Book & Charts' shop, then there isn't. First the bank is under reconstruction, covered with scaffolding, then it's there all fully refurbished. Next there's road markings all over the road, then it appears to have been resurfaced and they've disappeared. No wonder my head is fuzzy! Anyone else notice this, or can explain how/why this happens?

I can't get any photos at all Daisy! It might be just me not knowing what I'm doing (very possibly in fact) so I will ask my son to explain (hopefully not too patronisingly) when I see him. I don't know if this link to businesses in St Johnston has been posted before. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

Our friendly local funeral director Joe Peoples is there plus two pubs, neither of which is Joe's or McCanns'. There's a betting shop in the name of Shane Brown but which is the "book & charts" shop and where is the bank?

I'm getting more confused!

uppatoffee wrote:I remember reading somewhere that Gerry's mum Eileen was also called Ellen sometimes. I can't remember where it was, but I think it was in one of the Irish newspaper reports of Madeleine's disappearance.

I have found a birth entry for an Ellen Frances Ferry in 1939 in the Gorbals district of Glasgow, which would fit with the dates we have for her.

Now we know for sure - thanks to uppatoffee - that Eileen (Ellen) McCann (nee Ferry) was born in Scotland; Kate McCann also confirms this in her book:

KM: "His mum, Eileen, had been born in Glasgow"

So, she was not born in Ireland, she is not a native of Donegal. I know I'm banging on about this a lot, but I just can't let it go! Can't we do anything about it? We have definte proof that the Irish public were lied to from the very beginning about the McCann's Irish connection. They were bombarded with the message that the grandmother of the missing little girl making headline news across the globe, was 'one of their own'.

I think it was Marian? that asked why would they go to all this trouble, why the hoax? I think that's a simple one to answer: The McCanns were (literally) banking on the generosity of the Irish population; (Clarrie, Kate, Gerry & others are on record praising this "overwhelming" generosity -GM "over 50% of all 'cards' were from Ireland). It worked! By spinning this yarn they mislead people into donating.

This is just a small sample of how the myth of Eileen McCann being a Donegal lass was perpetuated. There's dozens more examples, including TV news programmes, documentary's and of course the infamous video appeals for the fund. All regurgatating the same emotive lies; lies created to defraud people.

Who fed the mainstream media this bull sh*t? Someone did, and the McCann's stayed silent; they did nothing to put the (fairy) tale straight, they just rubbed their hands in glee at the money rolling in. They should not be allowed to get away with this.

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Maddie’s Irish
Family Speaks Out:







MISSING British toddler Madeleine
McCann’s Donegal-born grandmother, Eileen McCann…



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Madeleine's granny believes she was drugged




The
Donegal-born grandmother of missing Madeleine McCann says she believes
the four-year-old was drugged and abducted when she was taken from the Praia De
Luz holiday apartment in May.



Eileen McCann, who has strong family ties in the Donegal village of St. Johnston
where the family holidayed earlier this year, says that, if Madeleine had been
taken by someone she didn’t know, she would have screamed the place down.




"I really believe they gave her a drug. There is no way they carried
her out of there without her wakening," she said.


The four year-old’s grandmother says the support the family have received
from Derry and Donegal has been a great source
of comfort.


"We always keep in touch and we are always there for one another,” she
said.


“All the people in St Johnston who know me since we've been living there
and my children... they know my children wouldn't do anything that is
wrong."


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Irish gran: Maddy drugged; THE SEARCH FOR MADELEINE DAY 150.



LITTLE
Madeleine McCann's Irish grandmother



…And
she added that the people of Ireland
and especially local people where she was born know that her family
would not be involved in Maddy's disappearance.



Sunday
Mirror article:



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Maddie's Donegal granny still lives
in hope



The
Donegal born grandmother of Madeleine McCann has said she still lives in
hope that she will hold her granddaughter in her arms again Eileen McCann, a
native of St Johnston who now resides in Scotland…



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TV3 chiefs refuse to hand over search cash;
EXCLUSIVE MADDY FUNDS FROZEN.



Thousands
of donations rolled in from across the country, many conscious of the fact Maddy
had strong Irish connections and that her grandmother Eileen McCann is from Co
Donegal.



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Granny says police are 'clawing at straws'



Co Donegal native, Eileen McCann insisted that Portuguese
police had "nothing
substantial" to link her son, Gerry and daughter-in-law, Kate to their
child's disappearance and were "clawing at straws".



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Madeleine's grandmother still has Christmas
present for her



Donegal-born
Eileen…



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Sorry for the confusion Marian, the 'ice cream photo' is taken in Main st, Dungloe, not Main st, St Johnston. Joe Peoples did say Gerry had taken a photo of them all in the pub and that he would send it on to him, but up to now we don't have any photos taken in St Johnston.

Daisy I think the reason that images can change according to the angle/zoom level is because periodically the images get updated, or they are actually captured on different dates. From what I understand the images they use can potentially come from a number of different satellites - you can see that either the date/time the images of that road were taken are different as the weather noticably changes from very overcast/dark to quite nice and sunny just a few doors further up the street.

So, there was a separate fund set up for donations from the Irish public? Is this correct? And what happened to this money?


TV3 chiefs refuse to hand over search cash; EXCLUSIVE MADDY FUNDS FROZEN.

TV3 bosses have frozen a bank account holding thousands of euro
raised by the Irish public to help in the search for missing Madeleine
McCann.



Almost [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]25,000 was donated by broken-hearted viewers after the
station launched its own appeal in June to raise cash to help find the
toddler.



But the cash has since remained untouched in TV3's Madeleine
McCann fund bank account in AIB headquarters in Ballsbridge, Dublin.



TV3 is now refusing to pass on the cash to the official
Madeleine's Fund set up by her parents - because it is not a
recognised charity.



And a spokesman for TV3 also admitted the cash raised may never go
towards the fund.



He revealed: "It is the intention of TV3 to hold the funds in
the account until a properly registered and recognised charity for
Madeleine McCann is established.



"If such a charity is not established TV3 will either donate
the funds to a registered charity in the area of [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] and
protection, or we may seek the views of the donors on how to [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] the funds."



The fund, which had the backing of the entire station including
presenters Lorraine Keane, [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] and [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], was launched in
a huge wave of publicity on June 1 - three weeks after Maddy, four,
vanished.



It was sparked after what a spokesman for TV3 called "intense
viewership interest" in the story of the little girl who
disappeared from her parent's apartment in Portugal more than six
months ago.



The appeal lasted eight days and featured a number of special TV
bulletins dedicated to the campaign to find Madeleine.



Thousands of donations rolled in from across the country, many
conscious of the fact Maddy had strong Irish connections and that her
grandmother Eileen McCann is from Co Donegal.



Madeleine's disappearance also regularly featured on the
station's main news bulletins.



TV3's Lorraine Keane, left, also featured at the 50-day
anniversary of little Maddy's disappearance at which hundreds of
yellow balloons were released.



The host said: "Like so many people I am [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] by the
abduction of little Madeleine McCann.



"As a mother, I can only imagine what her parents are going
through."



TV3 chiefs now face a backlash for not telling viewers the cash had
been frozen and for not releasing the money so it could be used to
actively help in the search.



And despite the cash freeze the TV3 Madeleine McCann Fund Account
No 08632098 remains open for donations.



A spokesman for AIB said the account was still active and in a
position to accept donations.



Since depositing the cash raised, EUR24,345, the fund has also
built up interest which has been added to the original fund.



A TV3 spokesman added that if necessary it would consult with its
viewers if station bosses decided they were not giving the cash to the
Madeleine's Fund.



He said: "We may seek the views of the donors as to the most
appropriate manner in which to disperse the accumulated funds.



"TV3 will act in accordance with best practice in the
circumstances."



Madeleine's Fund has so far raised E1.57million since it was
set up.



The fund - formally called Madeleine's Fund: Leaving No Stone
Unturned Ltd - is not a registered charity but a not-for-profit company
because its scope is not wide enough to get charity status.
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Who is this 'Donegal pal' - Katriona Fernandez - that organised the fund in Dungloe?


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IRISH FUND LAUNCHED; THE HUNT FOR


MADELEINE.



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"Last weekend we had a bag pack in Super Valu in
Dungloe and raised ¤2,500 and also a collection around the local pubs
and gathered another ¤1,500. We have now set up an account with the AIB
and people can make a donation that way. It is vital to keep up the
momentum in the search for Madeleine. This is an extremely difficult
time for the McCann family but they are adamant they will find
Madeleine," Katriona added.
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Ta for the explanation Lady-Heather, that makes sense.

Another thing I can't explain is why Ireland still seems to generate the majority of Google queries in regard to Madeleine. This girl came from England, parents were British/Scotish and she went missing in Portugal. So what makes this case so interesting to the people of Ireland..?

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Lady-Heather wrote:Another thing I can't explain is why Ireland still seems to generate the majority of Google queries in regard to Madeleine. This girl came from England, parents were British/Scotish and she went missing in Portugal. So what makes this case so interesting to the people of Ireland..?

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Maybe they are trying to verify these alleged Irish Roots!

Lady-Heather: the Irish people are I assume known to be very charitable when it comes to deserving causes particularly involving one of their own. Hence the orchestrated campaign to turn a vague link with Ireland into something a lot more substantial to encourage an outpouring of sympathy and - even better - money.

It was a cunning plan as they say and it certainly worked didn't it!

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Lady-Heather wrote:Another thing I can't explain is why Ireland still seems to generate the majority of Google queries in regard to Madeleine. This girl came from England, parents were British/Scotish and she went missing in Portugal. So what makes this case so interesting to the people of Ireland..?

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Maybe checking to see if the donations account has been unfrozen? he he he.....
And all these jokes that make fun of the Irish' brainpower - seems someone there was able to see through the scam - not so daft eh? (I am also part-Irish !)

Lady-Heather wrote:Another thing I can't explain is why Ireland still seems to generate the majority of Google queries in regard to Madeleine. This girl came from England, parents were British/Scotish and she went missing in Portugal. So what makes this case so interesting to the people of Ireland..?

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Those
graphs and stats are very interesting. I can't think of any reason,
other than the MCann's PR team manipulated the media by constantly
referring to their 'Irishness' for it to be that way. Their scope for
obtaining funds widely expanded by the exaggeration of their Irishness,
that's a fact. A much wider scope than sticking to their Scottish
history - in the words of GM: "...in terms of marketing, it was a good ploy".

Which
one fits the fairytale better - Originating from some tiny sleepy
village (running a village pub) on the rural outskirts of the beautiful,
ever so romantiic county of Donegal... Or, originating from the one bedroomed tenement blocks of the notorious Gorbals in Glasgow? [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

tigger wrote:

Daisy wrote:Quote tigger: "I really think that with all the work done on this topic, it must be
clear that the Donegal Easter holiday (for all we know they were there
one day) is one of the keys to the mystery. Imo a very important one.
If
we could work out what actually happened in Donegal it will throw a lot
of light on PdL. I'm sure the photographs are faked and the news with
Philomena's standard phrases was out there indecently quickly to get
max. publicity."

Tigger, I'm afraid I haven't got round to researching the other places you mention in depth like you, (but I will!) so I can only comment on what I know for now and that's this Donegal mystery

I'm definitely with you on Donegal being an important key to unlocking some important information.

The usual reason for such a large group of extended family/friends to get together like this is for a wedding, christening or funeral. Hmmm....

Now onto the faked photographs. I hope someone can help me with this one, it's driving me nuts! I've been on google st view searching the exact location of this photo, and it doesn't appear to exist! There is NO wall where the children are supposed to be sitting. There is a building under reconstuction (a bank?) opposite Tully's with a wall, but that has old fashioned railings attached, so can't be that. The only other expanation is that they're sat on the Kerb edge - but it doesn't appear raised ebough from the st view images?

Unfortunately I can't put images up from st view to show what I mean but you can see by typing in - 'Main st, Dungloe, Donegal' Any help would be greatly appreciated, even if it's just to dismiss 'the missing wall'. I'd like to put this one to bed and move on.

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I've just been over pages 6 and 7 to check the work of TheTruthwillout and Lady Heather (where is she?) I seem to remember one member, possibly Gillyspot, who said she'd check the place out on her next holiday.
Sorry Daisy, I can't help, everything is wrong about those photographs and the stories.
The other places I mentioned - I just thought: if they were seen in Zaival Beach at Easter, that's no problem, because the only 'proof' we have of their stay in Donegal are four (not five) luggage or boarding passes for the 10th of April. Easter was a few days earlier, so both can be possible. They could just have been in Donegal for the day.
I am now wondering if the whole Irish myth is to cover up what was going on in Zaival and possibly Burgau.
The abduction was imo planned well in advance, they needed evidence of Maddie's presence and therefore photographs were 'adjusted'.
As I said in an earlier post here, I think a number of photographs were adjusted at the same time, very early and very likely before 28/4/07, including the Irish ones and the tennis girl.
Perhaps we should think of the whole abduction as the final act of a three- or two part play. The abduction being the least of our worries.
I can see - all this is purely theoretical of course! - a situation where the questionable photos in Burgau, the Zaival Easter sighting and the presence of both JT and RM could have brought about the reason for the abduction.
For a start she looks drugged in the make-up photo. The ice-cream one is probably from that period as well and where there are two questionable photographs we may postulate many others.

If the Donegal picture is not what they say they are and they are fake or taken another time or place, that means that her cousins know what happened or atleast they must know it is a lie..How likely is it that they told the kids? And that they can keep a secret that big? I never thought of that before now...

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On google earth, road view 360 degrees, number 30, Main street, Dungloe,
Donegal.
Outside the shop 'Books and Charts', where green dustbin stands, is a little
wall where the children could be sitting eating ice creams with Tulleys behind
them, over the road, and with car parked beside the children in bay.
Slight raised curb, enough for kids to sit on.
A photo I saw whilst searching, can't find it now, has human sized ice-cream
cornet outside the book shop.
In the Google Earth pictures (2009) the road is in wet conditions. The photo I
saw was sunny. Perhaps the large ice cream cornet is put out seasonally.
The photo could be correct.
The buildings have been repainted since the Donegal photo. A date for the change
would be interesting. It's just perhaps the timing of the photo might be
different. However, a little wall is possible as the raised curb by parking.

Get 'em Gonçalo wrote:This message was sent to me via email for inclusion on this thread:

On google earth, road view 360 degrees, number 30, Main street, Dungloe,
Donegal.
Outside the shop 'Books and Charts', where green dustbin stands, is a little
wall where the children could be sitting eating ice creams with Tulleys behind
them, over the road, and with car parked beside the children in bay.
Slight raised curb, enough for kids to sit on.
A photo I saw whilst searching, can't find it now, has human sized ice-cream
cornet outside the book shop.
In the Google Earth pictures (2009) the road is in wet conditions. The photo I
saw was sunny. Perhaps the large ice cream cornet is put out seasonally.
The photo could be correct.
The buildings have been repainted since the Donegal photo. A date for the change
would be interesting. It's just perhaps the timing of the photo might be
different. However, a little wall is possible as the raised curb by parking.

Thanks Get 'em, for forwarding the message and thanks to the person that sent in the info. I hope this doesn't come across as being smug but we had already conceded this photo is from a genuine location. (few posts beyond ^)

Still strange though, that out of all those beautiful surroundings and locations of that 'holiday' they chose the kerbside of a main road, right opposite the betting shop for a photo opportunity?

Why not show photos of this event?

According to Aunt Phil McCann: “She's just learned to swim from taking lessons and in Donegal, she had her water wings off for the first time."

And

"Patricia Cameron (aka McCann) remembers vividly a holiday in Ireland with 46 extended family and friends, and playing rounders on the beach.
Patricia said: "Madeleine was a little daredevil. She was the only
one who would go in the water. It was the Atlantic and it was freezing.
She was a determined little thing."

So where are these photos? the ones that capture the essence of Madeleine? Because the few photos we have been shown do not portray "a determined little thing"

And, question to whoever sent that message in ^, what do you think of the McCanns exagerrated portrayal of Irishness, that in turn mislead the people of Ireland to being the biggest contributers to their fund?

Ps... I also questioned the differing images on google but Lady-Heather answered that one for me.

Daisy wrote:

Get 'em Gonçalo wrote:This message was sent to me via email for inclusion on this thread:

On google earth, road view 360 degrees, number 30, Main street, Dungloe,
Donegal.
Outside the shop 'Books and Charts', where green dustbin stands, is a little
wall where the children could be sitting eating ice creams with Tulleys behind
them, over the road, and with car parked beside the children in bay.
Slight raised curb, enough for kids to sit on.
A photo I saw whilst searching, can't find it now, has human sized ice-cream
cornet outside the book shop.
In the Google Earth pictures (2009) the road is in wet conditions. The photo I
saw was sunny. Perhaps the large ice cream cornet is put out seasonally.
The photo could be correct.
The buildings have been repainted since the Donegal photo. A date for the change
would be interesting. It's just perhaps the timing of the photo might be
different. However, a little wall is possible as the raised curb by parking.

Thanks Get 'em, for forwarding the message and thanks to the person that sent in the info. I hope this doesn't come across as being smug but we had already conceded this photo is from a genuine location. (few posts beyond ^)

Still strange though, that out of all those beautiful surroundings and locations of that 'holiday' they chose the kerbside of a main road, right opposite the betting shop for a photo opportunity?

Why not show photos of this event?

According to Aunt Phil McCann: “She's just learned to swim from taking lessons and in Donegal, she had her water wings off for the first time."

And

"Patricia Cameron (aka McCann) remembers vividly a holiday in Ireland with 46 extended family and friends, and playing rounders on the beach.
Patricia said: "Madeleine was a little daredevil. She was the only
one who would go in the water. It was the Atlantic and it was freezing.
She was a determined little thing."

So where are these photos? the ones that capture the essence of Madeleine? Because the few photos we have been shown do not portray "a determined little thing"

And, question to whoever sent that message in ^, what do you think of the McCanns exagerrated portrayal of Irishness, that in turn mislead the people of Ireland to being the biggest contributers to their fund?

Ps... I also questioned the differing images on google but Lady-Heather answered that one for me.

Wow, Daisy, this gets better. I'm pretty sure swimming in the Atlantic would cause the onset of hypothermia in early April, are these people for real?

TrollAng wrote:

Daisy wrote:

Get 'em Gonçalo wrote:This message was sent to me via email for inclusion on this thread:

On google earth, road view 360 degrees, number 30, Main street, Dungloe,
Donegal.
Outside the shop 'Books and Charts', where green dustbin stands, is a little
wall where the children could be sitting eating ice creams with Tulleys behind
them, over the road, and with car parked beside the children in bay.
Slight raised curb, enough for kids to sit on.
A photo I saw whilst searching, can't find it now, has human sized ice-cream
cornet outside the book shop.
In the Google Earth pictures (2009) the road is in wet conditions. The photo I
saw was sunny. Perhaps the large ice cream cornet is put out seasonally.
The photo could be correct.
The buildings have been repainted since the Donegal photo. A date for the change
would be interesting. It's just perhaps the timing of the photo might be
different. However, a little wall is possible as the raised curb by parking.

Thanks Get 'em, for forwarding the message and thanks to the person that sent in the info. I hope this doesn't come across as being smug but we had already conceded this photo is from a genuine location. (few posts beyond ^)

Still strange though, that out of all those beautiful surroundings and locations of that 'holiday' they chose the kerbside of a main road, right opposite the betting shop for a photo opportunity?

Why not show photos of this event?

According to Aunt Phil McCann: “She's just learned to swim from taking lessons and in Donegal, she had her water wings off for the first time."

And

"Patricia Cameron (aka McCann) remembers vividly a holiday in Ireland with 46 extended family and friends, and playing rounders on the beach.
Patricia said: "Madeleine was a little daredevil. She was the only
one who would go in the water. It was the Atlantic and it was freezing.
She was a determined little thing."

So where are these photos? the ones that capture the essence of Madeleine? Because the few photos we have been shown do not portray "a determined little thing"

And, question to whoever sent that message in ^, what do you think of the McCanns exagerrated portrayal of Irishness, that in turn mislead the people of Ireland to being the biggest contributers to their fund?

Ps... I also questioned the differing images on google but Lady-Heather answered that one for me.

Wow, Daisy, this gets better. I'm pretty sure swimming in the Atlantic would cause the onset of hypothermia in early April, are these people for real?

And packing for a family of five for Easter in Donegal would you have packed swimming gear, I certainly would never even have given such outfits a thought.

All just to give us a picture of rosey cheeks and hours of fun on the sands. No, the McCanns don't do family fun.

According to [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] the water temperature in Muckros, one of the nearest beaches to Donegal averages 10 degrees centigrade in April.

"Muckros water temperatures peak in the range 13 to 17°C (55 to 63°F) on around the 7th of August and are at their minimum on about the 2nd of March, in the range 8 to 10°C (46 to 50°F). The maximum water temperatures at Muckros in the first part of August are ideally suited to a 4/3mm wetsuit + 3mm boots, although a 5/3mm wetsuit may be preferable for longer sessions and cold windy days. The minimum water temperatures at Muckros mean that you will need a flexible 6/5/4mm wetsuit or a well fitting 5/4mm wetsuit with gloves and 5mm neoprene booties and a hood to surf here in early March."

This is suggesting that to go in the water in August, at the peak of the summer, you would still need a wetsuit. Yet here is Maddie, splashing around in temperatures of 10 degrees? I don't think so.

Didn't Kate mention how cold the water was in the pool at PDL but nothing could stop Madeleine going in anyway? Clearly the McCanns are made of stronger stuff than ordinary mortals!

Marian wrote:Didn't Kate mention how cold the water was in the pool at PDL but nothing could stop Madeleine going in anyway? Clearly the McCanns are made of stronger stuff than ordinary mortals!

Marian, yes she did. Obviously a water baby.

This is an interesting thread. However, I'm totally confused...! [It doesn't take much!]

Tully's sign in gold & green + red house
vs.
Tully's sign in red & green, bigger frontage + cream house

Which came first and when were they decorated?

My guess would be that the house was cream first, then painted red - due to the fact that the cream painting is clearly not new in that photo (looking at damage on corner of house). So the streetview photos are from before Apr 2007? Or am I getting this all the wrong way round?

I have now seen the marriage certificate for (Grandad) John McCann and Ellen (Eileen) Ferry from 1958. John is shown as being a resident of St. Johnston, Donegal. His father, Joseph and mother, Agnes are both listed as deceased. Ellen was listed as living in Glasgow, daughter of Patrick and Brigid Ferry.

Interestingly, both John and his father were listed as Spirit Merchants. In my own family research I have found that people who run pubs are, rather unsurprisingly, called publicans on official documentation. The use of the term spirit merchant suggest more that they are dealers in wines, spirits, beers etc. So the suggestion that they ran Joe's bar seems slightly at odds with the official documentation.

That is an interesting find Uppatoffee. Until now nothing has been found to confirm that John McCann ever had anything at all to do with running a pub but the certificate does indicate that at one time he did. The term spirit merchant sounds to me more like someone who runs an off licence but perhaps one of our Irish members will advise if it can mean a pub or bar manager.

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Uppatoffee and Jean, If you look at that link p31, you will see some relevant names.
If you then look back through the previous pages you'll see many Peoples. Tolands too.