Re: Further Analysis of the Last Photo

by Masterblaster 08.07.14 13:12

The thing that I find strange is that at the time the last photograph was supposedly taken it was 18 - 19 deg C with a wind speed of 16 - 18 mph, that is just about as fast as I can ride a bike but there is not a hair out of place. It would feel cool in that wind too, the calculator I use says it would feel like 13 deg C, but they are wearing lighter clothing than on other photographs, look at how they are dressed in the play area.

Apologies if this has been discussed before.

by Guest 08.07.14 14:42

BlackCatBoogie wrote:
ajb wrote:If someone can post a close up of Madeleine in a high resolution version of the last photo I would be grateful as there is something about it that I'm not sure I've seen discussed elsewhere.

On Madeleine's little pigtail to the left as we look, there has quite clearly been (poor) photoshopping of the area just below the elastic band.

Now, I know that K makes a big deal in her book about M's last bath and specifically talks about removing something from M's hair - does anyone have the exact passage? Also, there was talk early on in the investigation of PJ looking for, or having found, some sort of hair bobble which was regarded as significant.

In short - it looks to me like whatever M had in her hair the day of the last photo has been "whoosh clunked" from the picture. This may be to support the idea that the photo was taken on the day K&G claim, or it may be because of something much more sinister.

Thoughts?
Is it a small plait above the hairbobble so doesn't look quite like the rest of her hair?

apologies ajb you said below the hairbobble and I was looking above.

Her neck looks really odd, the anatomy just isn't there, where's the side of her neck on her right side. And it looks like her face has just been pasted in imo.

by Ayniia 08.07.14 17:10

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Zoom in on this copy (from mcannfiles) and see clearly that the area of hair around the elastic band (esp that below) has been manipulated.

What was attached to the elastic band that had to be removed from the picture>?

Thank you for the link! I looked at the last picture to the point of exhaustion before but now looking again to Madeleine's hair as you suggested I saw something I've never noticed before and now that I've seen it I can't unseen it! Those shiny hairs blowing over her face, first apparently coming from nowhere ,second blowing in the wind that doesn't exist anywhere else in the picture!
As to what you're pointing out, I can't really see what you mean but that " hair bead " story always troubled me because I'm a girl I can perfectly see, as you say, that's a rubber band not a bead! That whole thing about "carefully taking the bead out of her hair " smelled bad from the beginning, IMHO. Why make that up? It's a rubber band and unless it was an extraordinary strong one, from my experience, it would just have snapped when taken from the hair, or be so stretched it would be useless after. Also, that little braid looks so, careless, it's like if the person that did it was so not giving a damn about it because it's just less than half a braid with all the hair left below, that really makes me sad.
But my point is, those blowing hairs are so totally out of place, at least in my opinion!

by Guest 08.07.14 18:06

Ayniia wrote:
ajb wrote:[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

Zoom in on this copy (from mcannfiles) and see clearly that the area of hair around the elastic band (esp that below) has been manipulated.

What was attached to the elastic band that had to be removed from the picture>?
Thank you for the link! I looked at the last picture to the point of exhaustion before but now looking again to Madeleine's hair as you suggested I saw something I've never noticed before and now that I've seen it I can't unseen it! Those shiny hairs blowing over her face, first apparently coming from nowhere ,second blowing in the wind that doesn't exist anywhere else in the picture!
As to what you're pointing out, I can't really see what you mean but that " hair bead " story always troubled me because I'm a girl I can perfectly see, as you say, that's a rubber band not a bead! That whole thing about "carefully taking the bead out of her hair " smelled bad from the beginning, IMHO. Why make that up? It's a rubber band and unless it was an extraordinary strong one, from my experience, it would just have snapped when taken from the hair, or be so stretched it would be useless after. Also, that little braid looks so, careless, it's like if the person that did it was so not giving a damn about it because it's just less than half a braid with all the hair left below, that really makes me sad.
But my point is, those blowing hairs are so totally out of place, at least in my opinion!

Somewhere in the files is a mention of a real bead found on the floor of the apartment, forget where exactly

by biggles 08.07.14 19:24

The smaller child (Amalie?) in the middle seems to be the only authentic person in that photo.

Did this get mentioned before? : (apologies if it has already)

Look at the shadow under her legs as she's sat on the side of the pool. She looks 'seated' and the shadow she casts under her legs seems authentic.
Now look at Gerry (you'll need to look between his legs; sorry!). There is no shadow, apart from those that he casts onto himself. But no shadow on the ground under him. He's almost floating in that space.
Also look at his knees. One is higher than the other, but he's sat on a flat surface. So what is causing his left leg to elevate slightly?
He doesn't look quite right in that photo.. its like he's been cut from another photo where he was sitting on something different, and then pasted into this one. But the perspective is slightly off.

imo Amalie was the only person in that photo originally, GM & MBM were pasted in afterwards?

by Shhh 08.07.14 20:44

j.rob wrote:Everything about this photo is weird. Not least those horrible sandals. I would be surprised if she would have been allowed to wear them as they are not suitable or safe footwear for running around on a tennis-court. I am sure that staff would have recommended clothing and footwear for all the kids' club activities.
And why did it take so long to release the photo, if it had been taken when it was supposed to have been taken? Why the delay in publishing up-to-date photos?

And according to Kate Gerry 'loves this photo.'

Ye Gods. This couple are just - truly gruesome.

If she had been running round on the court surely her socks & sandals would show bits of coloured gravel? Certainly happens when my kids play football on a similarly gravel pitch.

The shoes & socks are just too clean.

Also is it me or do her feet look unusually small in proportion?

by worriedmum 08.07.14 21:05

Water droplets visible in front of Gerry and Amelie. Can anyone see any in front of Madeleine?

If this is the last photo, why does Madeleine's visible arm look so very different to the visible arm in the tennis photo ?Which was taken a few days before?

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by Justformaddie 09.07.14 21:45

Those two pics were apparently taken within days of each other, to me the difference is huge. How can any detective not notice this? I wish they could be posted side to side, it would be unreal IMO

by Guest 09.07.14 22:23

Just read really interesting interpretation of the last photo from dewi lennard (kikoratton on this forum):-

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If I have interpreted it correctly dewi believes that MBM 'disappeared' early on in the holiday and then GM/KM signed in another 3 year old at the creche in place of MBM - i.e. a substitution. He is saying that the purpose of the 'last photo' (allegedly taken much earlier in the holiday or photoshopped?) is to reinforce the role of the substitute appearing as MBM on the last day via the same clothes. If she looked similar to MBM and was wearing the same clothes as MBM in the 'last photo' then she would have been much more convincing, thus adding validity to the fact MBM was still alive on the 3rd.

It would be interesting to establish what clothes MBM was allegedly wearing on the 3rd? I remember KM does refer to MBM's clothes and it seemed a bit odd/unnecessary (mentioning Monsoon, Gap etc). It would be interesting to read her comments about MBM's clothing back in the light of dewi's above theory. I will have a further look I think it is in the bewk somewhere. God how tragic if the only nice new clothes MBM had were not a treat for her holiday but to aid her 'disappearance' Sad

I thought this was worth adding as I haven't seen this theory related to the 'last photo' mentioned on here. Dewi lennard's theories about the substitution can be found on twitter as above, or on here as kikoratton if you read through the last year or so. I understand that he doesn't post/twitter as much these days but I find his ideas v v interesting.

All in my own opinion, nothing stated as fact.

ETA: this link is interesting:-

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KH is indeed at pains to highlight MBM's clothes on the final day, even suggesting that they could have been the reason for her disappearance just to hammer it home?:-

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THURSDAY May 3, 2007: Some images are etched for all time on my brain. Madeleine that lunchtime is one of them.

She was wearing an outfit I'd bought especially for her holiday: a peach-coloured smock top from Gap and some white broderie anglaise shorts from Monsoon.

A small extravagance, perhaps, but I'd pictured how lovely she would look in them and I'd been right. She was striding ahead of me, swinging her bare arms to and fro. I remember thinking I should have brought a cardigan for her, although she seemed oblivious of the temperature, just happy and carefree.

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All in my own opinion, nothing stated as fact

by Guest 09.07.14 22:35

IMO PeterMac's interpretation re the "last" photo is the most reliable one: the photo is genuine, not photoshopped: it IS Madeleine, BUT the DATE has been changed. Taken earlier in the holiday, probably Sunday and data on the camera [which was never delivered to PJ] changed to Thursday. That's really good enough for me yes

by missbeetle 09.07.14 22:41

My thoughts are along the lines of Kikoratton's.

That particular outfit may well have been worn by M.R.

It may be that that those clothes were bought for her by her very own mother.

M.R.'s mother is professionally stylish.

by Miraflores 09.07.14 22:59

a peach-coloured smock top from Gap and some white broderie anglaise shorts from Monsoon.

We'll have to take her word for it that the top was from Gap but it's pink not peach, and it hasn't got a stitch of smocking on it.

by Guest 09.07.14 23:04

Don't forget it's Mrs.Bucket speaking ... big grin

by Guest 09.07.14 23:06

missbeetle wrote:My thoughts are along the lines of Kikoratton's.

That particular outfit may well have been worn by M.R.

It may be that that those clothes were bought for her by her very own mother.

M.R.'s mother is professionally stylish.

How interesting missbeetle - yes MBM's outfit in the 'last photo' is imo noticaby smarter than any of the clothes I have EVER seen her pictured in.
And why dress MBM in smart clothes for the last day - in the other few holiday photos she is dressed much more casually, almost scruffy.
It would be interesting to see if there are any pics of MR on that holiday (don't think they are included in the PJ files photos) to see what sort of clothes she was wearing, yes I believe her mother is a designer.

All in my own opinion, nothing stated as fact.

by **PeterMac** 10.07.14 0:00

BlackCatBoogie wrote:
And why dress MBM in smart clothes for the last day - in the other few holiday photos she is dressed much more casually, almost scruffy.

The overwhelming evidence suggests that the photo was taken on Sunday 29th, hot, sunny and the first full day of the holiday.
Hence the new clothes, cameras everywhere . . They did what everyone does, - take PHOTOS.

Then the weather changed, and it was cold, windy (and rained on the Wednesday)
The wind died down to almost NOTHING on the Thursday evening - "Whooshing curtains are ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE !"
And only on the Friday did it open up to become a lovely holiday for all the extended family to come and enjoy

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Read it. Pro-child-neglactors. And weep.

by Guest 10.07.14 0:42

PeterMac wrote:
BlackCatBoogie wrote:
And why dress MBM in smart clothes for the last day - in the other few holiday photos she is dressed much more casually, almost scruffy.

The overwhelming evidence suggests that the photo was taken on Sunday 29th, hot, sunny and the first full day of the holiday.
Hence the new clothes, cameras everywhere . . They did what everyone does, - take PHOTOS.

Then the weather changed, and it was cold, windy (and rained on the Wednesday)
The wind died down to almost NOTHING on the Thursday evening - "Whooshing curtains are ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE !"
And only on the Friday did it open up to become a lovely holiday for all the extended family to come and enjoy

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Read it. Pro-child-neglactors. And weep.

Thanks for that info PeterMac - yes I agree that the 'last photo' was probably in reality taken on the Sunday considering weather conditions.

When I said 'why dress MBM in smart clothes for the last day I meant the apparent last day i.e. what we are being led to believe was the last day by the 'last photo'.

Apologies it is really difficult to explain what I mean.

Basically it would be interesting to see if MBM's clothes in the apparent 'last photo' have any significance especially as KH was at pains to point them out. It is possible for instance that if a substitute was used at the creche then she could have been intentionally dressed in exactly the same clothes on the 3rd May as MBM appears in in the 'last photo' - to make it appear that MBM was still alive on the 3rd to the casual observer.

Or as missbeetle says the clothes belonged to the sub and MBM was dressed in them for the day of the 'last photo'. They were then given back to the sub to wear on the 3rd.

I hope this makes sense, darn sneaky if this theory is true.

All in my own opinion nothing stated as fact.

by Guest 10.07.14 12:46

Is it possible that a temperature of 21 degrees would produce the clearly sweltering effect shown in the "last" photo?

I have severe problems with high temperatures - if it's above 26 I don't leave my darkened room! - but I can go out with no problems when it's 21.

That's why it seems odd to me but I appreciate all the research you've done on the subject, PeterMac.

by Snifferdog 10.07.14 14:06

The only genuine photos of MBM are the ones where she is wearing a light pink jersey and darker pink trousers, we see on the plane/bus and playground photos. It is my belief that they packed very little for MBM, knowing that she would no longer be with them after the first day. Just 'purporting' a theory, of course, as Gerry says he does not mind people doing so.

by Watchingthespincycle 10.07.14 18:12

What gets me about all the photos is that in none is anybody making contact of any sort with her. Looking at my old holiday photos there are lots of the kids playing and having fun, but also a good few of them either on our knees, or picked up, or even just cuddling up for the camera.
Poor little thing.

by Snifferdog 10.07.14 18:54

Yes, there does not seem to be much contact between MBM and her parents, going by the photos.

Following on from my earlier post, I suspect things were previously planned re MBM, hence no need for own toothbrush, clothes etc. MBM had only the clothes she arrived in, pink top and pants. Just Imo and theory.

by AndyB 10.07.14 20:09

PeterMac wrote:
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Read it. Pro-child-neglactors. And weep.

I'm probably reading the chart wrongly but to me it looks like the weather on Thursday was broken sunshine with 50% cloud cover for most of the day apart from early evening when the clouds thickened. Temperatures ranged from 7 degrees C in the early hours of the morning up to 26 degrees around noon and there was a light West South Westerly breeze.

by kimHager 11.07.14 4:04

my question is...is she really sunburned or is it bruises? this lil girl was in the creche how much of the day?? where did she get sunburned? the weather in the UK probably wasnt hot and sunny..even Scotland ans Portugal had cooler weather as summer was just underway so. ...if she was sunburned wouldnt her face be..the arms and legs are a lil harder to
get burned and it looks like bruises and kate had arm bruises also.....hmmm....dont look good at all

by kimHager 11.07.14 4:14

i just saw two pics of tennis maddy and she was opposite in each one! How dis this happen is it two pics or what? also no sunburned arms in last photo

by Guest 11.07.14 8:58

AndyB wrote:
PeterMac wrote:
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Read it. Pro-child-neglactors. And weep.
I'm probably reading the chart wrongly but to me it looks like the weather on Thursday was broken sunshine with 50% cloud cover for most of the day apart from early evening when the clouds thickened. Temperatures ranged from 7 degrees C in the early hours of the morning up to 26 degrees around noon and there was a light West South Westerly breeze.

50% cloud cover?

Not during the day... say 10am to 7pm.. that looks like 100% to me... multiple layers as well.

by Guest 11.07.14 9:22

Châtelaine wrote:Don't forget it's Mrs.Bucket speaking ...

Ha! That's it exactly, Chatelaine!

by worriedmum 11.07.14 9:45

kimHager wrote:i just saw two pics of tennis maddy and she was opposite in each one! How dis this happen is it two pics or what? also no sunburned arms in last photo

Exactly.

That is why I wondered which presentation was the original.
There is a small mark on Madeleine's calf on the tennis photo. This may or may not be the birth mark on her calf described as one of her 'distinguishing marks' on Police files. If it is a birth mark then the on the same side the strangely-discoloured arm is completely blemish-free on the 'pool photo' taken a couple of days later.

That is why I was trying to examine the tennis balls-if the logo was reversed we would be able to tell which was correct. The other way I have tried to look is by which way the 'calf-lick' fringe is pinned back. I would like to post pictures side by side for comparison, but each time I try I get the error message 'too long'--is anyone else able to place these images side by side please?

by canada12 11.07.14 11:50

Does this work for you, worriedmum? I can't put them side by side as the images are too large. But one on top of the other might work?

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by Miraflores 11.07.14 12:04

You can't really see it in these photos, but she has a dimple in her left cheek, (as does Gerry).

by AndyB 11.07.14 12:06

BlueBag wrote:
AndyB wrote:
PeterMac wrote:
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Read it. Pro-child-neglactors. And weep.
I'm probably reading the chart wrongly but to me it looks like the weather on Thursday was broken sunshine with 50% cloud cover for most of the day apart from early evening when the clouds thickened. Temperatures ranged from 7 degrees C in the early hours of the morning up to 26 degrees around noon and there was a light West South Westerly breeze.

50% cloud cover?

Not during the day... say 10am to 7pm.. that looks like 100% to me... multiple layers as well.

Are you looking at the lines at the very bottom of the chart? I thought those were indicating the height of the clouds with the bar chart at the top showing the amount of cloud cover. I got the 50% from the bar chart at the top and with 50% you're always going to get some clouds, which is why the line at the bottom covers almost the full width of the day. (I'm not an expert in any of this so I could well be wrong)