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Post by alfie02 on 20.09.11 14:54

The general feeling i got from when i first saw Kate, was she is a broken woman, who was abused by her husband, not physically, but emotionally. The reason i give this is when she first appeared on our screens, she never looked directly at the camera, never made eye contact, and always seemed to be grappling for either Gerrys hand or items on Gerrys person, i.e sleeve, trousers etc. Now i have never been in a situation to be either, mentally, or physically abused, so this is just an opinion. I think, from the first night we first heard about Madeleines, dissappearing, that Kate was always second or third or fourth for Gerrys attention, as there seems to be a lot of videos and pictures of Gerry and the children, not a lot with Kate. So although i have no idea as to what happened, i think Gerry may have been the one to put discipline in the childrens lives, and i dont mean by means of abuse i mean by structure, and guidlines. As Kate was an only child i think she was spoilt by her parents and immediate family, so wasnt used to being 2nd, 3rd, or fourth in anyones life. She had to be number one priority. Now i have such a neice, who is an only child and she is spoilt rotten, to the detriment of her poor parents, "who created this child", the child is socially awkward to the point where children refuse to socialise, and children refuse to play with her, etc etc, and so it sets tongues wagging i.e "if that child was mine" etc. And that is why i think Kate may be of the same mould. She has never had to compete with anyones attention. And we all know when a child doesnt get its on way they can lash out. As we have heard about Kates "fury" that night, smashing beds etc etc. So emotionally,Gerry may have neglected Kate, and it infuriated her. Gerry in the beginning always looked at Kate with a certain loathing that only Kate would be privvy to, and her constantly grappling for his hands etc would be the assurance she needed he does love her.
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Post by jd on 20.09.11 15:04

Ive always seen this in them both too. Also, a lot of the statements has GM putting Maddie to bed, GM the last to see her, GM going to check on her etc. Even GM sent Payne to the apartment to check on KM while he was playing tennis....

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Re Kate Mcann

Post by alfie02 on 20.09.11 15:14

@jd wrote:Ive always seen this in them both too. Also, a lot of the statements has GM putting Maddie to bed, GM the last to see her, GM going to check on her etc. Even GM sent Payne to the apartment to check on KM while he was playing tennis....



Thank you JD i thought i was the only one, i think Kate being with the children even appears strange, she doesnt have the love for them she is protraying to have, she seems to have an awkwardness around them. Like for example the coach going to the holiday. And im using this based solely as a mother myself. When i took my children anywhere one was always on my lap and the other squashed up so close to me, they took it in turns, it seemed natural to me, but look at the coach journey, Kate is sitting next to the children, and you see her brushing one of the childrens hair with her hand, to me this is done for the camera, to give the illusion she is a good mother.Her body language is all wrong. No Kate is not the motherly type i dont think. Gerry gives the impression when he is around the children it would be hard to distinguish who is the bigger kid.And i think Kate despises him for that.
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Re: KATE McCann

Post by Angelique on 20.09.11 15:25

I think in any marriage where there are also children - the wife/mother always gets pushed back to third/fourth/fifth/whatever place. I agree that this could have an affect on Kate inasmuch that she was an 'only' which would not necessarily mean she was spoilt but really the centre of attention. I do think IVF has some part to play on how she relates to her children.

I think that "hand-holding" and "leg-clutching" is something else though. It's the "rabbits paw"/lucky mascot support/crutch IMO. I personally think she has used it because she is nervous of what she may be asked in interviews and whether she will get it right. She has always to be in contact with Gerry which says to me insecurity. Maybe we need a specialist in body language expert.

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Post by Guest on 20.09.11 15:27

I could never get to grips with the painting scene, sitting at the kitchen table in Rothley. I might have trouble explaining this, but it made me feel like she had never done this with them before. There was no encouragement in her words, no praise, no nothing. It was like it was a chore, she was bored with it and could not wait to get through it.
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Re: KATE McCann

Post by jd on 20.09.11 15:29

@alfie02 wrote:
@jd wrote:Ive always seen this in them both too. Also, a lot of the statements has GM putting Maddie to bed, GM the last to see her, GM going to check on her etc. Even GM sent Payne to the apartment to check on KM while he was playing tennis....



Thank you JD i thought i was the only one, i think Kate being with the children even appears strange, she doesnt have the love for them she is protraying to have, she seems to have an awkwardness around them. Like for example the coach going to the holiday. And im using this based solely as a mother myself. When i took my children anywhere one was always on my lap and the other squashed up so close to me, they took it in turns, it seemed natural to me, but look at the coach journey, Kate is sitting next to the children, and you see her brushing one of the childrens hair with her hand, to me this is done for the camera, to give the illusion she is a good mother.Her body language is all wrong. No Kate is not the motherly type i dont think. Gerry gives the impression when he is around the children it would be hard to distinguish who is the bigger kid.And i think Kate despises him for that.

I agree with this too and there is certainly an awkwardness from Kate and her body language is all wrong. I have always felt this and my instincts tells me something is 'cold' here.. You would think after all the time and effort in going through IVF to have kids, that on holiday they would be together as much as possible as a family to enjoy them. It seems the kids were either at Creche or in the apartment being readied for bed, and the McCanns spent the majority of their time playing sports or being at the Tapas bar living it up. There are hardly any photos of them together either, in fact I have never seen a single one of all 5 of them in a happy holiday snap. Just very peculiar ones (always without Kate!!!) that look to be photoshopped, its not normal

Kate did have bruises on her wrists at the time...wonder how they got there


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Re Kate McCann

Post by alfie02 on 20.09.11 15:48

Stella wrote:I could never get to grips with the painting scene, sitting at the kitchen table in Rothley. I might have trouble explaining this, but it made me feel like she had never done this with them before. There was no encouragement in her words, no praise, no nothing. It was like it was a chore, she was bored with it and could not wait to get through it.
Yes Stella, i agree, she sighs a lot and she seems to come across as a bit impatient. Gerry seems to be overbearing as if he is creating the illusion he is the perfect father also, although i think his tolerance of the children is more than Kates. He seems to be trying too much and i get the impression he also has a quick temper.
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Gerry was the youngest

Post by tigger on 20.09.11 15:52

Gerry was the youngest, where Kate was the only one.
The youngest in most families (brother John is almost 10 yrs older) get ALL the attention. From eye witnesses in the Tapas bar, it seems that Gerry and DP were competing for first position in the group. Gerry always very animated and the centre of attention.

IMO there isn't much to choose between the two, Kate evidently has little or no rapport with children whereas Gerry I think hardly had anything to do with the twins, but Maddie cried "Daddy, daddy' not Mummy, mummy. What with bathing the children being done by the men (Gaspar's statement and Russiandoll pointed out, also in the book - although inferred) I think only Maddie had a tenuous link with Daddy, as long as she did as she was told. (the videos of the happy family with G behind the camera).

The hand holding I don't think is Kate hanging on to Gerry, I think she is at the steering wheel. Often her hand is on top of his because he makes a lot more blunders than she does. How relaxed she is when Gerry walks out on an interview. There is an episode in her diary about 'little tears' - to Philomena, about Gerry. Rather denigrating.
Then in the book it's Gerry who breaks down and cries because it looks like all his favourite toys are going to be taken away.

I think Kate has never been a very stable person, almost certainly has a drinking problem and perhaps the furious outbursts are to do with that. the bruises, which we have only seen once, I think may have been from throwing things or perhaps Gerry tried to restrain here one time? In the right place for that, on her arms and wrists.

Gerry, on the other hand, throws tantrums when asked questions he doesn't like. He reacts like the favoured child he was, as a father IMO he's a wash out, no interest in anyone but himself.


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Re: KATE McCann

Post by jd on 20.09.11 15:54

Kate got really irritated when the PJ asked her to come down to the police station to view the petrol station CCTV images of a possible Maddie. Any distressed parent would have been down there like a shot, not get irritated by it

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Post by jd on 20.09.11 15:58

@tigger wrote:
Gerry I think hardly had anything to do with the twins, but Maddie cried "Daddy, daddy' not Mummy, mummy. What with bathing the children being done by the men (Gaspar's statement and Russiandoll pointed out, also in the book - although inferred) I think only Maddie had a tenuous link with Daddy, as long as she did as she was told. (the videos of the happy family with G behind the camera).


Good point

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Re: KATE McCann

Post by rightgoodlaugh on 20.09.11 16:26

It's called 'incongruence' as far as I'm aware - and it's the reason I felt uncomfortable about this case from the VERY start. Your words saying one thing, your body language saying something else.

From the beginning, I couldn't understand:

1. The lack of TRUE emotion from either K or G in the immediate aftermath. How can you NOT cry?????
2. The pathetically lacklustre description of their daughter "she's lovely" along with the blank faces
3. The groping of his upper thigh to show how much she loves him. I have NEVER seen such behaviour!! IMO, people in love don't need to show such overt body language. They'll naturally grab a hand, or stroke a face 'off camera' - but they won't sit for an hour with such forced contact.

I also find it very strange that a grown-up gets SO huffy with her hubby 'flirting' with the quiz-master that she feels the need to sleep in a different bed!! What could Gerry possibly have done that would make her want to punish him? They were both probably drunk (with alcohol and the atmosphere) and unless he said something REALLY insulting to the 'woman he loves' in front of others, I'd have thought she would have 'laughed' it off!! He didn't even know of his punishment as he was snoring before she got back! These are not the actions of a happily married couple imo.

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Post by Guest on 20.09.11 16:29

clapping1 Good first post rightgoodlaugh and welcome2 to the forum.
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Hello and thanks.

Post by tigger on 20.09.11 16:42

welcome
Great post. I'm convinced they can't stand each other by now. I ran a short topic on 'the original plan'.
What they're living is far from the life they'd imagined.
The body language is very revealing but Kate has lately increased her gestures. IMO they are clearly learned. People who gesture a lot do it just before they speak, but Kate does it on the beat. Try it, it really doesn't feel natural.
In the video on the abduction where she explains how she found the door and the window, it's nothing short of ridiculous. Steepling her hands, fingers spread. 'Maddie's bed' Flap, flap flap goes the entire arm, the whooshing curtain mime is worth of any cartoon.

But the language they choose to use is also revealing. In the Dutch interview about the bewk, she says 'it's a cross I have to bear.' unfortunately translated as 'burden', not so revealing, whereas the cross is.

Gerry makes the most awful mistakes and now generally just trots out the formula. This is made very easy by whichever clone is 'interrogating' them.

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Re: KATE McCann

Post by jd on 20.09.11 16:45

@rightgoodlaugh wrote:

I also find it very strange that a grown-up gets SO huffy with her hubby 'flirting' with the quiz-master that she feels the need to sleep in a different bed!! What could Gerry possibly have done that would make her want to punish him?

swingers perhaps????

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Post by Angelique on 20.09.11 16:59

welcome2 rightgoodlaugh

I wonder if this was the reason she slept separately from Gerry - if she ever was angry with him for ignoring her - or if there was some other reason she slept in the children's room.

Is it possible that this was to cover something else?

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Re: KATE McCann

Post by rightgoodlaugh on 20.09.11 17:25

Thanks for the welcome people! I hope I can contribute to this forum in a constructive way. As I've said, I've been following this case since the beginning and was a member of The Mirror forum and 3As (can you BELIEVE Brenda's turn around??? How BIZARRE!). I am a lonely soul as my family don't want to listen to me...but, heyho, I believe in following what you believe in! I'm quite busy work-wise, so don't be offended if I don't reply immediately. Oh, and btw, I have considerable respect for people who have done so much research in this case. I take my hat off to all of you - keep persevering!

So, after all these years, how are we going to FORCE some activity? Sometimes I dream about headlines such as "new progress in the Maddie McCann case"...and, no, that doesn't just mean I want them arrested. I just want the truth to come out...coz I'm sure there's a multitude of lies being peddled at the moment, at all levels.

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RE Kate McCann

Post by alfie02 on 20.09.11 17:51

@rightgoodlaugh wrote:Thanks for the welcome people! I hope I can contribute to this forum in a constructive way. As I've said, I've been following this case since the beginning and was a member of The Mirror forum and 3As (can you BELIEVE Brenda's turn around??? How BIZARRE!). I am a lonely soul as my family don't want to listen to me...but, heyho, I believe in following what you believe in! I'm quite busy work-wise, so don't be offended if I don't reply immediately. Oh, and btw, I have considerable respect for people who have done so much research in this case. I take my hat off to all of you - keep persevering!

So, after all these years, how are we going to FORCE some activity? Sometimes I dream about headlines such as "new progress in the Maddie McCann case"...and, no, that doesn't just mean I want them arrested. I just want the truth to come out...coz I'm sure there's a multitude of lies being peddled at the moment, at all levels.
I agree with what you had to say there, but as of all good things they MUST come to an end. I think the cracks will be starting to show, look at Kates recent pics (SAW IT ONLINE, THOUGH CANT REMEBER WHERE) and also the recent picture of Rachael, her greying hair i think there are a certain amount of these doctors, under a lot more pressure than others to keep the "pact". oh and from me
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RE Kate McCann

Post by alfie02 on 20.09.11 18:12

@jd wrote:
@rightgoodlaugh wrote:

I also find it very strange that a grown-up gets SO huffy with her hubby 'flirting' with the quiz-master that she feels the need to sleep in a different bed!! What could Gerry possibly have done that would make her want to punish him?

swingers perhaps????
No Jd, i dont think they are swingers....i could may well be wrong, i think if you were a swinger you would have to have complete trust and faith and security with your husband/partner in order not to get jealous with whom he/she was entertaining on the night. From what we got on the night the busty trainer"cant remember her name" when she was getting too much attention from Gerry thats what made Kate leave and sleep in another bed that night, so from that i dont think they are swingers. But feel free to correct me
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page 23 photographs and memories

Post by tigger on 20.09.11 18:15

Aflie02
the photograph you're referring to, is on page 23, see above.
I tried to copy and paste, but it doesn't do that with photographs. I will have to learn!

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Post by alfie02 on 20.09.11 18:22

@tigger wrote:Aflie02
the photograph you're referring to, is on page 23, see above.
I tried to copy and paste, but it doesn't do that with photographs. I will have to learn!
thank you tigger much appreciated. Ps when you learn how to copy and paste will you teach me too i am also new to this thank you
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Babysitting

Post by Guest on 20.09.11 18:43

Was Kate not babysitting on Tuesday night? Her phone was going between 22.16 & 22.27 and the Aerobics instructor didn't see her between 20.45 and 21.50.
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Post by Smokeandmirrors on 20.09.11 19:22

I remember on the Mirror forum and 3A's days, early on, it was much discussed about Gerry doing all the talking and the idea that Kate was submissive in the relationship. But now, Kate does most of the talking in interviews. Over the years, my opinion has changed and I believe Kate to be the dominant character in the relationship. I think Gerry is a solution based person, practical. There seems to have been a role reversal of sorts.

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RE Kate McCann

Post by alfie02 on 20.09.11 19:33

@Smokeandmirrors wrote:I remember on the Mirror forum and 3A's days, early on, it was much discussed about Gerry doing all the talking and the idea that Kate was submissive in the relationship. But now, Kate does most of the talking in interviews. Over the years, my opinion has changed and I believe Kate to be the dominant character in the relationship. I think Gerry is a solution based person, practical. There seems to have been a role reversal of sorts.





Hi smokeand mirrors, yes i think the same also. But over the years why has the relationship changed it makes you wonder. My opinion on this was that Kate was infatuated by Gerry, Gerry was infatuated by himself. Also although the scent of cadaver was only on Kates possesions, and not Gerrys i think Gerry played a more bigger part in the dissappearance of Madeleine than Kate did, although i still think it was an accident. I also think the reason the smell of cadaver was found on Kate was she was saying goodbye to her daughter, and Gerry had already said his goodbyes to her and had time to get the smell off himself. I also think it was initially Gerrys idea to arrange the disposal of madeleinne through connections, and that is why Kate has the upper hand, she KNOWS as much as Gerry does, but played no part in the exiting of her daughter,but that is just my opinion
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Post by russiandoll on 21.09.11 19:58

in her bol Kate Mc makes no reference to the quizmistress in any context ; she describes feeling hurt when her husband abruptly stated he was off to bed and left her at the bar. she slept in the childrens room and said this was a storm in a teacup. I suspect given her reaction she was a lot more angry with her husband than she admits to being
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Re: KATE McCann

Post by lj on 22.09.11 13:50

Kate is the true steel magnolia: hard as nails. I do believe there is quite a bit not right with her psychologically, but that is not because of grief or guilt. That was there before Madeeine disappeared.

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