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Post by Guest on 12.01.14 9:51

@Tony Bennett wrote:
Stella wrote:Thanks to the Portuguese Police and the release of the guest lists, we have now come to piece together, that one of the people socialising with Kate and Gerry McCann that week, is very closely related to the Right Honourable Margaret Hodge MBE, MP.

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I think it's important for this discussion that we now identify the person closely related to Margaret ('Lady') Hodge who was at Praia da Luz with the McCanns that week, for his name is publicly available in the files: Mr Philip Martin Edmonds. He is Margaret Hodge's nephew.

Mr Edwards has a fascinating family history. Born on 31 August 1962 according to his entry on Geni.Com, he married Reina Hazenberg and they have three boys, all of whom were out with Philip in Praia da Luz for the week the McCanns were there. But not his wife Reina, so it seems. We also know from the Portuguese Police files that he mysteriously jetted off to Switzerland, where he lives, early on Friday morning (4 May 2011), apparnetly cutting short his holiday just as news was surfacing that a child had been abducted from Praia da Luz.

Visit the website of Stemcor.com, the world's largest steel company, with a turnover measured in billions, and Philip Edmonds' name again comes up as one of their 11-strong Board of Directors.

How did Philip Edmonds get so far? A clue is apparent from the same Stemcor.com website: Philips' Uncle Ralph - Ralph Oppenheimer - is also on the Stemcor Board.

Indeed, Stemcor, as a brief internet search reveals, is an Oppenheimer family business.

All this has come about because Philip's father, Herbert Edmonds, made a wise choice in marrying into the Oppenheimer family.

Hannah Oppenheimer was the eldest of five children of Hans Oppenheimer and his wife Lisbeth Hollitscher, an Austrian Jewess. Hans was born in Stuttgart, Germany but fled to Alexandria in the mid-1930s as Hitler's anti-Semitic Nazi regime was stepping up its persecution of Jews, in the lead-up to World War II.

His first four children, including Hannah, and of course her sister Margaret Eve Hodge, nee Oppenheimer, were all born in Alexandria, Egypt, Hodge being born on 8 September 1944 in Alexandria, Hannah three years later in Orpington, Kent. Hannah still lives in Kent (see below).

In the 1980s, Margaret Hodge did two things that made her famous (or infamous). She married Sir Henry Hodge (her second marriage), and became known as Margaret Hodge. And she became a prominent Labour Councillor in left-wing Islington, where she was later notorious for covering up extensive child abuse in what became known as the 'Islington Children's Home Scandal', fully exposed in the 1990s (there's a lot about this on the internet).

In 2003, despite this appalling record, Prime Minister Tony Blair made her Britain's first-ever 'Minister for Children' (!)

Lady Hodge inherited a substantial slice of the Oppenheimer fortune, and is one of Britain's wealthiest women; despite that, she claimed excessive Parliamentary expenses from us, the British taxpayers (see reports on the MPs' expenses scandal).

Philip's father and mother, Herbert and Hannah Edmonds, aged 81 and 74 resepctively, live in Bromley, Kent. Philip is beleived to be based in Switzerland.

Hannah Oppenheimer's father Hans was the son of Salomon Oppenheimer, born 1871 in Ohringen, west Germany, and in turn Salomon is the son of Abraham Oppenheimer, who in turn was the son of another Abraham Oppenheimer, from one of the many branches of this powerful German-Hewish family.

Edmonds is not an English name, it's an anglicised version of the German 'Emsheimer'. Philip Edmonds' father, Herbert Emsheimer, was born in Karlsruhe, wast Germany, in 1930, and the family changed their name to Edmonds on arriving in England.

Why Philip Edmonds should choose Praia da Luz as his choice of holiday venue for the week 28 April to 5 May 2007 is not known. And there is no explanation as to why Edmonds and his three sons jetted away from Praia da Luz on the morning of Friday 4 May 2007, just as the British public were tuning in to the news and learning that a British girl had been mysteriously abducted.

I wrote to Mr Edmonds recently about some of these matters and received this courteous but brief reply:


Dear Mr Bennett,

I am in receipt of your letter of 22 July regarding Madeleine McCann. I am sure you would appreciate that it would not be appropriate for me to comment too much, as we do not know each other, and I have no idea what your connection to the case is. However, I would also not want further conspiracy theories to fester by simply ignoring your letter.

Therefore, I can confirm that whatever information I had (including some photos of my sons taken on the day Madeleine disappeared, which showed her in the background) was passed both to the police and to the McCanns at the time. Having been in Portugal at the time of Madeleine’s disappearance and seen all of the events first hand, there is not one shred of doubt in my mind that the events as reported were correct.

In fact one of the most terrible parts of this tragedy is that there are people out there who are questioning this, just adding further to the nightmare that the McCann family have suffered. I cannot imagine anything crueller.


I’m afraid I won’t enter into further correspondence on this matter with you.

Yours sincerely,

Philip Edmonds

Having seen all of the events first hand?

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Post by Doug D on 12.01.14 11:50

The flying out early may not be relevant if that was pre-booked according to his plans.
Mark Warner Arrivals sheet shows he flew in from Gatwick but:

‘Client resides in Switzerland and will most likely not be taking our return flight. He will let management know upon arrival.’

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P2/02_VOLUME_IIa_Page_339.jpg

or he could have done a quick runner, not wishing to get involved or be identified by the gathering press.

However, boys 6,7,8,
‘Childcare reserved for all three children. Verified by Emma’
Why were three boys of that age apparently taken out of school (or not if boarding/private school with longer holidays week before Whitsun?) & dumped in childcare for the week. It doesn’t look as if he should have been concerned about the price for a ‘cheap’ week. Was it a good ‘activity holiday’ for the boys for the week?
Why was he actually there?
Why would he use such a facility? He only booked a two bed apartment, so its not as if he had a luxury penthouse apartment or something at the place.

Surely these should be easy questions with easy answers for PJ or SY with no obvious reasons not to answer.
If not why not?

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Post by Guest on 12.01.14 11:56

Repeat: Edmonds affirms he has seen the events at first hand

Which events could those have been?
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Post by Guest on 12.01.14 12:02

No wonder he's keeping his mouth shut then!
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Post by Guest on 12.01.14 12:05

I am becoming more and more cynical about just what was going on at that MW complex that particular week, and why all these well-to-do people were attracted to the 'event', if there was one. It is very, very strange indeed that a man with the wealth of Edmonds chooses to go there. It's like Richard Branson booking a room in a Campanile. DP organized the holiday, didn't he?
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Post by haroldd2 on 29.01.14 13:58

Dee Coy wrote:I am becoming more and more cynical about just what was going on at that MW complex that particular week, and why all these well-to-do people were attracted to the 'event', if there was one. It is very, very strange indeed that a man with the wealth of Edmonds chooses to go there. It's like Richard Branson booking a room in a Campanile. DP organized the holiday, didn't he?

MW Holidays may well have another function than just providing relaxation.

Have you looked at the company's history? It made no 'real' profits for 16 years. How common is that? The big successful dotcoms spent up to 90% of their venture capital on advertising while building up their recognition and not making any profits, but that only went on for a few years, not 16.

I smell spookery.

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Post by Hicks on 29.01.14 18:14

Is there confirmation that the boys seen with Edmonds were actually his sons?
How old were they? A poster has said that the boys were 6 7 8- I think- or ages close like this, seem strange if true that Edmonds would have three children with only a year in between each child.
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Post by Guest on 29.01.14 18:27

@Hicks wrote:Is there confirmation that the boys seen with Edmonds were actually his sons?
How old were they? A poster has said that the boys were 6 7 8- I think- or ages close like this, seem strange if true that Edmonds would have three children with only a year in between each child.
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Post by Hicks on 29.01.14 18:49

Something is definitely wrong here, Mr Phillip Edmonds claims he handed over a photo he took of his sons, with Madeleine in the background, but more importantly, the very day she went missing. According to RO Madeleine was definitely not around that day. How come we have not seen this all important photo of M? Was it taken after or before the pool photo? After or before the tennis photo?
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Post by Guest on 29.01.14 22:49

I rather suspect that, if this photo ever existed, it's likely to be a grainy image of a child who could be any of the little blonde girls who were in PDL that week.

I certainly don't see anything unusual in the ages of the Edmonds children - just thankful though that I didn't have 3 in 2 years!
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Post by tigger on 30.01.14 6:16

@Hicks wrote:Something is definitely wrong here, Mr Phillip Edmonds claims he handed over a photo he took of his sons, with Madeleine in the background, but more importantly, the very day she went missing. According to RO Madeleine was definitely not around that day. How come we have not seen this all important photo of M? Was it taken after or before the pool photo? After or before the tennis photo?

If looked at separately that schoolboy type letter of support and the one photograph (why not more? Holiday, snaps, digital,one?)  are strange but as time went on and the press still able to print  what they liked, other helpful people came out of the woodwork. E.g. Weinberger who remembered a shady character.  
So it looks to me that  these  certificates of the truth according to TM were produced as and when needed.

Another point: holiday snaps were 'requested' from all the guests - now allegedly Maddie went with the creche to the beach, went swimming, played tennis, went on a boat and not a single parent snapped her together or in the background with their own children?
I would certainly want a picture of my toddler in a lifejacket for the first time in a boat. In fact I wouldn't have trusted  any nanny to keep her safe - I would have to be there.
The group was small, only seven or so in the Lobsters, so where are the pictures?  It seems the only one was Edmunds' boys with Maddie in the bacground ( how far?) who imo wasn't there. Nice touch to have this other proof for that important date.

Eta: busy day the 3rd, Maddie changing clothes three times at least. Not including those pyjamas.

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Post by Doug D on 30.01.14 8:42

KM already got her retaliation in about lack of photos from other parent's etc in the bewk on P. 64 where she talks about another guest filming his own daughter with a video camera feeling like a dirty old man, paedophiles, paranoia, not being able to take photos of your own kids in swimming pools etc.to cover this scenario.

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Post by aquila on 30.01.14 8:52

I remember a big discussion on the UK daytime telly sofas introducing a new wristband/detector to stick on your childrens' wrists/ankles when you go on holiday so you don't lose them on the beach.

Scaremongering with an agenda was my first reaction.
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Post by Hicks on 30.01.14 16:44

@tigger wrote:
@Hicks wrote:Something is definitely wrong here, Mr Phillip Edmonds claims he handed over a photo he took of his sons, with Madeleine in the background, but more importantly, the very day she went missing. According to RO Madeleine was definitely not around that day. How come we have not seen this all important photo of M? Was it taken after or before the pool photo? After or before the tennis photo?

If looked at separately that schoolboy type letter of support and the one photograph (why not more? Holiday, snaps, digital,one?)  are strange but as time went on and the press still able to print  what they liked, other helpful people came out of the woodwork. E.g. Weinberger who remembered a shady character.  
So it looks to me that  these  certificates of the truth according to TM were produced as and when needed.

Another point: holiday snaps were 'requested' from all the guests - now allegedly Maddie went with the creche to the beach, went swimming, played tennis, went on a boat and not a single parent snapped her together or in the background with their own children?
I would certainly want a picture of my toddler in a lifejacket for the first time in a boat. In fact I wouldn't have trusted  any nanny to keep her safe - I would have to be there.
The group was small, only seven or so in the Lobsters, so where are the pictures?  It seems the only one was Edmunds' boys with Maddie in the bacground ( how far?) who imo wasn't there. Nice touch to have this other proof for that important date.

Eta: busy day the 3rd, Maddie changing clothes three times at least. Not including those pyjamas.
I agree tigger.  Also you have to ask yourself WHY Edmonds would feel the need to give support (lie) for the McCann's who, after all, were strangers to him.......weren't they? 
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Post by Woofer on 30.01.14 17:05

@Hicks wrote:Is there confirmation that the boys seen with Edmonds were actually his sons?
How old were they? A poster has said that the boys were 6 7 8- I think- or ages close like this, seem strange if true that Edmonds would have three children with only a year in between each child.

They are his sons.  I won`t name them, even though they are listed in the BMD index.  First one born Sept 1998 in Westminster,  second one born November 1999 Westminster, third one born January 2001 Southwark.

I had 3 sons in 14 months. !!
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Post by Woofer on 30.01.14 17:09

Remember a lot of holiday makers probably sent their snaps direct to the McCanns, even Philip Edmonds says he did.  Didn`t the McCanns ask everyone to send their snaps to them quite early on?
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Post by Guest on 30.01.14 21:32

@Woofer wrote:Remember a lot of holiday makers probably sent their snaps direct to the McCanns, even Philip Edmonds says he did.  Didn`t the McCanns ask everyone to send their snaps to them quite early on?
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Post by Guest on 30.01.14 22:16

@Woofer wrote:
@Hicks wrote:Is there confirmation that the boys seen with Edmonds were actually his sons?
How old were they? A poster has said that the boys were 6 7 8- I think- or ages close like this, seem strange if true that Edmonds would have three children with only a year in between each child.

They are his sons.  I won`t name them, even though they are listed in the BMD index.  First one born Sept 1998 in Westminster,  second one born November 1999 Westminster, third one born January 2001 Southwark.

I had 3 sons in 14 months. !!
Woofer - 3 sons in 14 months.  That's plausible with different mothers.  Is that how you managed it?  laughat

Or... twins?
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Post by Woofer on 31.01.14 9:11

Ladyinred wrote:
@Woofer wrote:
@Hicks wrote:Is there confirmation that the boys seen with Edmonds were actually his sons?
How old were they? A poster has said that the boys were 6 7 8- I think- or ages close like this, seem strange if true that Edmonds would have three children with only a year in between each child.

They are his sons.  I won`t name them, even though they are listed in the BMD index.  First one born Sept 1998 in Westminster,  second one born November 1999 Westminster, third one born January 2001 Southwark.

I had 3 sons in 14 months. !!
Woofer - 3 sons in 14 months.  That's plausible with different mothers.  Is that how you managed it?  laughat

Or... twins?

One, then twins.        smilie .........  smilie  smilie
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Post by Hicks on 31.01.14 18:19

There are no twins here though as the ages are 6,7,8.
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Post by sami on 31.01.14 18:37

@Hicks wrote:There are no twins here though as the ages are 6,7,8.


I have three in three years..  All singles, but a also a set of what they call "irish twins" born 50 weeks apart.

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Post by Guest on 31.01.14 19:35

Again: if they're all boys, there's no mystery about it ...  big grin 
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Post by Smokeandmirrors on 31.01.14 19:39

@sami wrote:
@Hicks wrote:There are no twins here though as the ages are 6,7,8.


I have three in three years..  All singles, but a also a set of what they call "irish twins" born 50 weeks apart.

Brave. Very brave.  big grin 


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