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9/ll conspiracy theories: How they've evolved

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Post by jd on 27.06.13 14:19

This BBC interview with Dr Niels Harrit I find really fascinating. Dr. Niels Harrit is an Associate Professor Emeritus of Chemistry at the University of Copenhagen and one among an international team of scientists who published a paper in The Open Chemical Physics Journal on the discovery of nano-thermite in the dust from the World Trade Center collapses on September 11, 2001. He is internationally established & renowned in his field

When asked to be interviewed by the BBC for part of their Conspiracy Files series, which was nothing more than an attempt to debunk the 9-11 truth movement, Dr. Niels Harrit decided to record a copy of the interview for himself. The interviewer Michael Rudin shows that this was a setup from the beginning with his barbaric interviewing style, and the final production that was broadcasted on the BBC painted Dr. Niels Harrit as a conspiracy nutcase. Fortunately this true copy of the interview was recorded, and it proves Michael Rudin tries to force a series of utterly ridiculous beliefs onto Dr. Niels Harrit, some of which defy all sense of logic and scientific possibility. If anything shows the real face of the BBC, then this is it

Although the interview is quite long, it is jam-packed with information proving that the Twin Towers were brought down on 9-11 with explosives, and that the planes were not responsible for their destruction

My favourite part is around 42mins when Dr. Niels Harrit describes the "passport"!...."and this is what you believe!" big grin"You believe someone who couldn't fly a Cessna and had never flown a jet airliner, could fly around Washington (the most protected airspace in the world) and the Pentagon (the most protected building in the world) and then fly the plane a few feet from the ground into the building, where there is no wreckage, no bodies, nothing, and you believe this really happened"! big grin

With this interview and the 2 videos above, it is so clear the absolute control TPTB have on MSM to promote their 'official story' vs The real truth i.e hide what they are really doing...Question everything

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BBC censors Dr Niels Harrit, Danish scientist who found unexploded nano-thermite high explosive in all samples of the World Trade Center (WTC) dust examined
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Post by tigger on 27.06.13 19:06

Came across this one:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0xzsbSbVUE - a retired army major general from the US.  Bit slow but fantastic that he's had the courage to do this video.

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Post by bobbin on 27.06.13 20:25

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Came across this one:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0xzsbSbVUE - a retired army major general from the US.  Bit slow but fantastic that he's had the courage to do this video.
wow... powerful video. strong man, USA Major General Albert Stubblebine, to speak out like that.
The future needs the present day heros to speak out.
The more it's broadcast, the more the perpetrators are exposed, the less the perpetrators can get away with their plans.
Their plans need to be thwarted for the now and the future. Similarly Edward Snowden, is a present day hero.
Whistleblowing is the one thing that the 'elite' cannot control, especially when it goes global.
China and Russia, along with any who have found the American government to be arrogant in the extreme, are laughing at the USA political/elite now.
'Burning your bridges' comes to mind.
People are getting more and more informed and the greatest fear for the 'elite' is that the whistle-blower can come out off any direction, at any level, at any time, and blow the whole game open.
I had feared that the internet would be closed down by the 'elite forces of government / the enemy in our midst', as a last resort to stop people from becoming wise.
Then I realised that there will be someone in the 'closing down team' who like the general in the video, or like Edward Snowden, will not want to live in a world without information sharing /internet, and he/she will blow the whistle, or arrange for someone to wait down a dark alley-way one night for the 'targetted enemy in our midst' to come walking by, if that becomes the only way to rid the democratic society of the enemy in the midst.
It will become dog eat dog if an agreeable balance is not struck before hand.

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Post by bobbin on 27.06.13 22:47

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:This BBC interview with Dr Niels Harrit I find really fascinating. Dr. Niels Harrit is an Associate Professor Emeritus of Chemistry at the University of Copenhagen and one among an international team of scientists who published a paper in The Open Chemical Physics Journal on the discovery of nano-thermite in the dust from the World Trade Center collapses on September 11, 2001. He is internationally established & renowned in his field

When asked to be interviewed by the BBC for part of their Conspiracy Files series, which was nothing more than an attempt to debunk the 9-11 truth movement, Dr. Niels Harrit decided to record a copy of the interview for himself. The interviewer Michael Rudin shows that this was a setup from the beginning with his barbaric interviewing style, and the final production that was broadcasted on the BBC painted Dr. Niels Harrit as a conspiracy nutcase. Fortunately this true copy of the interview was recorded, and it proves Michael Rudin tries to force a series of utterly ridiculous beliefs onto Dr. Niels Harrit, some of which defy all sense of logic and scientific possibility. If anything shows the real face of the BBC, then this is it

Although the interview is quite long, it is jam-packed with information proving that the Twin Towers were brought down on 9-11 with explosives, and that the planes were not responsible for their destruction

My favourite part is around 42mins when Dr. Niels Harrit describes the "passport"!...."and this is what you believe!" big grin"You believe someone who couldn't fly a Cessna and had never flown a jet airliner, could fly around Washington (the most protected airspace in the world) and the Pentagon (the most protected building in the world) and then fly the plane a few feet from the ground into the building, where there is no wreckage, no bodies, nothing, and you believe this really happened"! big grin

With this interview and the 2 videos above, it is so clear the absolute control TPTB have on MSM to promote their 'official story' vs The real truth i.e hide what they are really doing...Question everything

May 2011 BBC Interview with Dr. Niels Harrit.

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I've just watched the entire interview. What an appalling lackey the BBC has become to the puppetiars ? spelling? Dr. Niels Harrit held his own impeccably. The BBC should hang its head in shame...all part of the same bag of rotten eggs.

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Post by tigger on 28.06.13 10:38

Isn't it the case that the BBC was reporting the collapse of building seven when it was clearly still standing on the live screen behind them?

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Post by bobbin on 28.06.13 11:28

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Isn't it the case that the BBC was reporting the collapse of building seven when it was clearly still standing on the live screen behind them?
yes, and the London based television interviewer was troubled, saying, but Jane (Jane Hill) the building is still standing there, behind you. Then that news item sort of 'went off air a bit', some fumbling, then back again, with the building still there behind her. Asked how she could be reporting it's down, when it's still there, she said she had a note from 'reuters' saying it was down.
At this point, the whole sham tottered on its weakest point.
The news report had obviously been prepared 'in advance' and some clot had either farmed it out too early or the 'pull-it' demolition-order had been delivered too late.
Either way, the timing of the planned announcement was out of sync.
A cock-up, whichever way you look at it...ahhh, that old saying "the devil is in the detail"....spin 

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Post by Guest on 28.06.13 14:04

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mxFRigYD3s

The reporter was Jane Standley and here's a clip.

Building 7 is to our right of her.
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Post by jd on 28.06.13 14:45

Copying this from another forum.....Just look at all these mock drills  of the same event that were happening at the same time!!!!! nearly 50 of them on 9/11...just like 7/7, same mock drill of the same event...and Boston, Batman, Sandy Hook, Oslo, Oklahoma etc.

Just thought I`d  recap the many drills and exercises taking place on 9/11 in some detail for the benefit of any who might have missed this crucial political evidence of an inside job on 9/11. None of this evidence can be explained away as coincidence and happenstance and without the drills the attacks of 9/11 could not possibly have succeeded at all. Yet it is largely forgotten by the Truth Movement and the grateful debunkers who don`t have to grapple with this damning evidence, and who can instead engage in endless, and fruitless, hyper technical debates about the melting point of steel, the nature of invisible fires, floor trusses and "thermal expansion". On to the drills and exercises taking place on 9/11 therefore!

1:Vigilant Guardian.

Closely mimicked the events of 9/11. Joint US/Canadian exercise, designed to test the "coordination of the two defense establishments".
Described by globalsecurity.org as an overview CPX (command post exercise), conducted in conjunction with Global Guardian and Apollo Guardian (more about those later). VG is a yearly NORAD exercise, but VG 01 focused specifically on terrorists using hijacked planes as weapons.
However, as the 9/11 Commission noted, Vigilant Guardian also "postulated a bomber attack from the former Soviet Union". It was therefore a combined hijacking and WW3 exercise, and it contributed to the confusion among NORAD emergency response teams by using false radar signals for training exercises at the same time as "real" hijackings were taking place. Without this confusion there should have been a decent chance of shooting down the first plane heading towards NYC, and none of the three subsequent planes could have reached their intended targets at all. Because of Vigilant Guardian the intercept time of the fighter wings assigned to defend the eastern corridor increased from about 7 minutes before and after 9/11 to more than an hour in the case of Flight 77. Only within the narrow window provided by the Vigilant Guardian exercise could the 9/11 attacks have succeeded.
Why did they occur in precisely this window? Obviously they had to, or they couldn`t have succeeded, but was the US command structure infiltrated by al Qaida who used their positions inside the USA to arrange all these drills deliberately, was al Qaida tipped off by moles on the inside so they could arrange the attacks during the Vigilant Guardian window, or were they in fact simply controlled patsies set up to take the fall for a US/NATO false flag operation? It shouldn`t even be necessary to point out which of these alternatives is the most plausible.
Regardless, VG is the single most important exercise of 9/11 because it looks the most like the official fable about the hijackers, and is therefore the most likely medium for organizing this part of 9/11 through the "security" bureaucracy.

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2: Vigilant Warrior:

Mentioned by Richard Clarke in his memoirs as a second component of the ongoing NORAD exercise (Vigilant Guardian), possibly as the red team organizing the hijackings, real and fake. Details are hard to find and VW 01 is classified.

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3: Operation Northern Vigilance:

Billed as a counter drill to an ongoing Russian drill, NV redeployed fighter planes to Alaska and northern Canada, stripping EC (eastern corridor) fighter cover just in time for 9/11. NORAD has not disclosed how many planes it removed from the contiguous US in time for 9/11 under the cover of NV.

"NORAD shall deploy fighter aircraft as necessary to FOLs (Forward Operating Locations) in Alaska and northern Canada to monitor a Russian air force exercise in the Russian arctic and North Pacific ocean. NORAD is the eyes and ears of North America and it is our mission to ensure that our air sovereignty is maintained"
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4: Northern Guardian:

Thought to be associated with NV but outside of a few mentions in Canadian press not much is known. Possibly a twin exercise to NV to have one group of planes posing as the hostiles while the other played defense. Whatever the particulars this exercise seems to have been centered on Alaska and northern Canada as well.

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Reference is from the detestable lie operation called 9/11 Myths, which like Wikipedia insists on calling the truth "myths", and the writer pretends not to understand that an exercise that moves planes to Iceland lowers response capabilities and is therefore relevant to 9/11. Intelligent people will have no problem understanding this point though.

5: National Reconnaissance Office Drill (NRO).

This drill simulated an airplane crashing into the NRO HQ in Virginia. As a consequence of this drill the NRO staff were evacuated from the building exactly when the 9/11 attacks occurred. This is the reason why the satelite surveillance of the attacks has not been made available. Allegedly there is none because of the NRO drill, and all space based surveillance was conveniently disabled in time for the 9/11 attacks.
AP reported: "Top US intelligence Agency was to simulate plane crash into government building on September 11 2001".
What an amazing coincidence...

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6: Tripod II.

Biological warfare exercise conducted jointly between DoJ (Department of Justice, under the control of John Ashcroft, the man who lost an election to a dead guy) and the City of New York. Scheduled for 9/12 01 and officially never took place. Would have provided plausible cover for critical pre 9/11 activities in New York, such as rigging both towers and WTC 7 with explosives. Reported by Giuliani, the arch criminal, in his memoir "Leadership" (apparently the working title was "Treason" but was changed by the publisher). He stated that the "materials to be used in the drill" was stored at Pier 92, and that his command center was in WTC 7. As soon as WTC 7 was demolished Giuliani moved his treason command post (popularly known as the exercise command post or emergency management control center, but treason is more appropriate so I`ll stick with that) to Pier 92. Tripod II is the most glaringly obvious cover for the demolitions in NYC, the destruction of evidence following the attacks as well as the fake reporting afterwards to sell the official version. Technical, military, media, surveillance, detonations, police and firefighters could all have been, and probably were, controlled from Pier 92, under cover of Tripod II.

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7: Amalgam Virgo:

Air defend against rogue state cruise missiles/hijackings. A probable cover for the attack on the Pentagon, which was originally billed as, and also looked like, a missile attack rather than a plane crash.

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8: Amalgam Warrior:

Large air defense drill and air intercept, tracking and surveillance.  Possibly the red force for Amalgam Virgo, providing hijacked planes/missiles, real and false.

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9: Global Guardian:

Armageddon exercise. Nuclear war drill directed toward the arctic and Russia, further depleting continental defenses in the USA. GG is likely to be the defensive component of Apollo Guardian, presumably poised to respond to a nuclear first strike (probably by Russia, but who knows with the Strangeloves in the Pentagon).

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10: Crown Vigilance:

Air combat command exercise.

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11: Apollo Guardian:

Large scale live fly air defense and air intercept, tracking and surveillance drill. Nuclear strike simulation. Possibly a component of Global Guardian, or a parallel exercise or red team threatening nuclear attack within the exercise scripting. Hints to a possible nuclear blackmail/nuclear first strike option having been built into the 9/11 exercise complex. Possibly the most ominous of all the drills I have listed, but also less revealing since no nuclear first strike occurred. Nuclear blackmail may have though, and the Bush-Putin phone call has never had its content disclosed at all, but has largely disappeared from the MSM coverage (surprise surprise).

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12: AWACS/Noble Eagle:

AWACS (Airborne Warning and Control System) drill over Washington DC and Florida.

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AWACS planes may have been involved in all three alleged plane crashes. Reportedly AWACS can be fitted with remote control systems for taking over control of nearby planes. Wikipedia also states that Operation Noble Eagle went into effect on 9/11, and that it was somehow a success, despite the abject and total failure on every front by all involved on that day. Allegedly it involved using AWACS craft to "patrol and defend American Airspace". Cynics might consider this too little too late, but not Wikipedia... Whether Noble Eagle and the AWACS drill I just referenced were one and the same I haven`t been able to find out.

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Unpiloted passenger planes in use in the UK, being controlled remotely from the ground.

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The first trans Pacific remotely flown UAV was tested in April 2001 and was controlled from a distance by an AWACS aircraft.

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My purpose with the links is to demonstrate that AWACS can be, is being and has for years been used to remotely control other aircraft, and that a large AWACS drill (or two) taking place on 9/11 is therefore a highly suspicious circumstance. It is not to have a long, meaningless technical debate about these aircrafts or any beneficial uses they may have.

13: Firemen (Pentagon)

"Aircraft crash refresher course" for firefighters. Scheduled for the morning of 9/11 in yet another amazing coincidence.

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14: Timely Alert:

Emergency response to bomb attacks.

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NOTE: Many of these drills and exercises are annual "security", "intelligence" and "defense" events. What makes them suspicious with regard to 9/11 is firstly that the content of the 01 versions was apparently altered to closely resemble the attacks which actually occurred, or to sabotage air defense and surveillance, apparently on purpose. Secondly they were also all concentrated on and around this one date, which is atypical for annual drills, and indeed all drills, which tend to be separated in time to deal with isolated hypothesis and strategies. Pointing to the annual character of these drills therefore does nothing to counter the points I have raised.

These are the most relevant drills taking place on 9/11 itself, but there are others, depending on what you consider relevant. And if you include earlier exercises leading up to 9/11 there are almost 50 altogether, all dealing specifically with elements of the 9/11 attacks. A relatively exhaustive list by Webster Tarpley can be found here: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] for those who are interested in all of them. For those who want to really dig into this all important aspect of 9/11 I recommend any of Mike Ruppert`s many books, such as Crossing the Rubicon, or Webster Tarpley`s book 9/11 Synthetic Terror, Made in USA.
The obvious political point to make with all these conspicuous drills is to ask the hard questions we need to: If the official story is true, why were there all these drills more or less exactly like the actual attacks going on during the attacks, and/or which sabotaged regular, procedural emergency responses? How could the confused and disorganized boxcutter-wielding morons of the official version have known about all these drills in order to time their attacks accordingly? Why would the US government and national "security" state be so deliberately incompetent as to strip its own response capabilities and confuse emergency response personnel by concentrating so many drills on one day? Who did organize all this to coincide with the 9/11 attacks? Donald Rumsfeld? Dick Cheney? Karl Rove? General Myers? Rudolph Giuliani? John Ashcroft? George Bush 41 and 43? Benjamin Netanyahu? Richard Perle? General Schumacher? Richard Clarke? Condolezza Rice? Or was it possibly all of the above and more? Either way we need to know.


I apologize if people already knew this stuff, but I couldn`t find anything about the drills on the forum and thought I`d go over it again. Politically this is some of the most damning evidence available against the official myth of al Qaida and 9/11, which is why I think it`s being avoided like the plague by our debunker friends. Let`s shove it right back in their faces where it belongs! The only possible response from the naysayers is either denial or to try and sell this as some form of a massive coincidence. In both cases they have lost before the debate starts, and they know it. That`s why there are no debates about drills on these forums. The reality is that so many drills would NEVER have been arranged on the same day for reasons of security and defense integrity, and no other day in US history has such an amazing concentration of drills. When faced with this incredibly suspicious stuff, what does it even matter what fire does to steel, or whether there were planes or not? 9/11 was an inside job either way, and the drills prove it.
The very real political consequence of exposing the drills, as opposed to other aspects of 9/11, is that public awareness of them means that it will be close to impossible for the US government in particular, and NATO governments in general, to comfortably stage such an elaborate false flag again. They will be too scared to get caught again like they were on 9/11, and as a consequence they are restricted to small actions where the amount and size of the accompanying drills can be kept small enough to escape notice. In a very real way therefore we can save the public from really huge false flag events for a generation by focusing on the 9/11 drills, because they would be nearly impossible to conduit through the bureaucracy without multiple drills and exercises to camouflage them. Making the drills impossible therefore makes terrorism impossible. This makes it well worth our time and effort to all become drill watchers and to make sure as many people as possible know about the 9/11 drills. Above all the presence of drills before and during "terrorist" attacks is one of the clearest signs of a synthetic terrorist event, and indeed they were present in Boston, in London in 07, in Madrid in 05 and in Oklahoma City in 1995. No synthetic terrorism can be performed by NATO governments without drills to hide them from decent, if naive, people in the bureaucracy, and no propaganda can work on people who have noticed this connection between drills and terrorism

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Post by jd on 28.06.13 15:03

The 46 Drills of 9/11 by Webster Tarpley

PRE-9/11 PREPARATION AND DEVELOPMENT

1 NORAD Between 1991 and 2001 Foreign hijacked airliner crashing into famous US building
2 White House, Richard Clarke 1998 Terrorists load Lear Jet with explosive, attack Washington DC
3 NORAD 1999-2001 Hijacked aircraft hit many targets, including WTC, MASCAL
4 Able Danger: DIA, US-SOCOM, LIWA Dec. 1999-2001 Manipulate al Qaeda; data mining (patsy control)
5 Stratus Ivy: DIA Dec. 1999-2001 (?) Operate on patsies “out of the box” (patsy control)
6 Door Hop Galley: DIA (?) Dec. 1999-2001 (?) Still secret (patsy control?)
7 Proactive Pre-emptive Operations Group (P2OG) unknown “Stimulating reactions” of terrorists (patsy control)
8 NORAD (NEADS) Exercises: UN HQ, NYC October 16, 2000 Terrorist crashes Federal Express plane into UN HQ NYC
9 NORAD (NEADS) Exercises: UN HQ NYC October 23, 2000 Terrorist crashes FedEx plane with WMD into UN HQ NYC
10 Pentagon MASCAL exercise Oct. 24-28, 2000 Commercial aircraft hits Pentagon, MASCAL
11 FAA drill December, 2000 Scenario: a chartered flight out of Ohio that had turned its transponder off
12 Positive Force ’01: NORAD plus a dozen agencies; worldwide April 17-26, 2001 COG; attacks on transportation; one scenario: terrorist group hijacking commercial airliner and flying it into Pentagon (Pentagon attack)
13 Unified Vision ’01: US JFCOM; US CENTCOM; US SOCOM: 40 agencies May 7-24, 2001 Invasion of Afghanistan and Pakistan (prepared Operation Enduring Freedom)
14 Red Ex (Recognition, Evaluation, and Decision-Making Exercise); NYC OEM; FDNY; NYPD; FEMA; FBI May 11, 2001 Plane crashes and building collapses in New York City (WTC attack, demolition)
15 Amalgam Virgo ’01: US-Canada multi-agency drill; NORAD; SEADS; Coast Guard, Army, Navy June 1-2, 2001 UAV drone launched from rogue freighter in Gulf of Mexico or cruise missile from barge in Atlantic Ocean; Joint Based Expeditionary Connectivity Center (JBECC) mobile radar command center tested. (Pentagon attack)
16 Mall Strike 2001, Westmoreland County, Pennsylvania (near Shanksville); 600 local first responders and emergency managers June 16, 2001 Toxic chemical agent and the simulated release of radiation and radiological contamination; (indoctrination of first responders).
17 FAA Drill: FBI Miami field office, Miami-Dade County Police Department. Summer 2001 Varig airlines Boeing 767 hijacked over Florida
18 Ft. Belvoir, Davison Army Airfield helicopter base MASCAL June 29, 2001 Scenario based on plane hitting Pentagon (indoctrination of first responders).
19 US Department of Transportation Hijacking Exercise August 31, 2001 US Dept. of Transportation Crisis Management Center drilled hijacks; simulated cell phone calls.
20 NORAD, NEADS (Vigilant Guardian) September 6, 2001 Tokyo to Anchorage flight hijacked by “Mum Hykro” to Vancouver and San Francisco

PRE-9/11 PREPARATION AND DEVELOPMENT (continued)

21 NORAD, NEADS (Vigilant Guardian) September 6, 2001 Seoul to Anchorage flight hijacked by “Lin Po” to Seattle
22 NORAD, NEADS (Vigilant Guardian) September 9, 2001 UK to NYC flight hijacked, blown up
23 NORAD SEADS NEADS (Vigilant Guardian) September 10, 2001 Ilyushin IL-62 from Cuba hijacked by asylum seekers, lands at Dobbins Air Force Base in Georgia

24 FBI training exercise in Monterey, California for FBI/CIA Anti-Terrorist Task Force Through 9/11 Diverts top FBI, CIA anti-terrorist and special operations agents and heavy equipment away from Boston, NYC, Washington DC
25 NORAD annual readiness drill, Cheyenne Mountain, CO (Vigilant Guardian) 9/11 Full ‘battle staff’ levels to test entire organization
26 Vigilant Guardian: NORAD, NEADS, US-Canada 9/11 Live-fly hijacking and air defense; hijack multiplication, diversion and confusion
27 NORAD/JCS Vigilant Warrior Through 9/11 Reported by Richard Clarke
28 Operation Southern Watch Through 9/11 Diverts 174th Fighter Wing, New York Air National Guard, to Sultan Air Base, Saudi Arabia, to impose no-fly zone over southern Iraq
29 Operation Northern Watch Through 9/11 Diverts 6 fighters from Langley AFB sent to Incirlik AFB, Turkey to impose no-fly zone over northern Iraq
30 Operation Northern Vigilance Through 9/11 Diverts fighters, 350 personnel to Alaska and northern Canada to counter a Russian bomber drill
31 Operation Northern Guardian, Keflavik AFB, Iceland Through 9/11 Diverts fighters from Langley Air Force Base (Virginia) deployed to Keflavik AFB, Iceland to counter a Russian bomber drill
32 Red Flag, Nellis AFB, Nevada: 100 pilots 9/11 Diverts most F-15s of 71st Fighter Squadron, Langley AFB, VA; DC ANG’s 121st Fighter Squadron of Andrews Air Force Base also depleted.
33 Andrews AFB local drill 9/11 Diverts 3 F-16s to North Carolina
34 National Reconnaissance Office drill, Chantilly, Virginia 9/11 Simulated plane crash into high-rise government building; satellite imaging (WTC attack)
35 Tripod II, New York City 9/11 Response to biochemical attack; run from backup command center at Pier 92, Hudson River.
36 Fort Meyer VAEducation Centertraining drill for local firemen 9/11 Assembled and indoctrinated Pentagon first responders.
37 Timely Alert II, Fort Monmouth, New Jersey 9/11 Indoctrination of WTC first responders.
38 World Trade Center Emergency Drill, Fiduciary Trust Co., 97th floor, South Tower 9/11 Meeting called to assemble and silence unreliable outside contractors?

39 Global Guardian, STRATCOM: Offutt AFB, Nebraska; Barksdale AFB, Louisiana; Minot AFB, North Dakota; Whiteman AFB, Missouri. 9/11 Nuclear warfighting; Armageddon. (deterrence of Russia and China during invasion of Afghanistan and Pakistan)
40 Amalgam Warrior 9/11 Large live-fly air defense and air intercept, tracking, and surveillance drill; air defense against foreign retaliation.
41 Crown Vigilance, Air Combat Command 9/11 No details known.
42 Apollo Guardian, US Space Command 9/11 No details known.
43 AWACS drill, ordered by NORAD commander Gen. Larry Arnold 9/11 Two AWACS aircraft from Tinker AFB, Oklahoma sent over Washington DC and Florida; surveillance of capital and president during coup.
44 Global Guardian Computer Network Attack 9/11 Enemy forces “war dialed” STRATCOM’s telephone and fax systems; “bad insider” has access to key C³ system (missile launch option)
45 STRATCOM Strategic Advisory Committee, Offutt AFB, Nebraska; Andrews AFB, MD; Wright-Patterson AFB, Dayton, Ohio. 9/11 Three E-4B National Airborne Operations Center planes (Doomsday or Looking Glass) airborne; passengers include Brent Scowcroft; Warren Buffet at Offutt. (Committee. of Public Safety option?)

IN ADVANCED PREPARATION ON 9/11

46 Amalgam Virgo ‘02 Scheduled for June 2002 Air defense, interception, surveillance, and pursuit drill; Delta 757 with real Delta pilots, actors as passengers, FBI as hijackers – deviated from Salt Lake City to Hawaii; Canadian police to hijack DC-9 near Vancouver BC

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Post by tigger on 28.06.13 18:09

It suddenly struck me that for such exercises they'd have a number of passengers in order to assess the problems that might arise during a hijack. So when they're asked to do another exercise - but I know there were no planes in reality - they're picked up at other locations and never heard from again. That's why we have the Portland video to 'prove' they were on their way. However, not to a hijack but a rendez-vous with people they've worked for several times.

That served to 'prove' they were there and boarding a plane - it's immaterial that it's the wrong airport, most people would miss it or presume they then went on to another flight.

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Post by bobbin on 28.06.13 19:52

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The reporter was Jane Standley and here's a clip.

Building 7 is to our right of her.
Thanks NFWTD, memory shift I think re Jane Standley. However, I do remember a bit about Reuters providing the info, so maybe that bit has been cut from the broadcast. It still remains, the absolute lie to the whole event, that she is standing in front of the building and the BBC screen writes up, bold as brass, that building 7 has fallen when there it is, in broad daylight, still standing.

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Post by jd on 28.06.13 23:35

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No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

The reporter was Jane Standley and here's a clip.

Building 7 is to our right of her.
Thanks NFWTD, memory shift I think re Jane Standley. However, I do remember a bit about Reuters providing the info, so maybe that bit has been cut from the broadcast. It still remains, the absolute lie to the whole event, that she is standing in front of the building and the BBC screen writes up, bold as brass, that building 7 has fallen when there it is, in broad daylight, still standing.

 Take a look at these 2 videos....and pause them both when you see Jane Standley reporting.....Compare the buildings in the background and spot the difference!big grin 

Also, note in one the door handle to the right of Janes head....And the no door handle in the other video big grin 

You could think maybe she moved position, but the smoke and the towers are the same position in both! 

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What I'm getting at is Green/Blue screens. A US TV station (think it was Fox) had the same background in their reporting but with the buildings moved positions or disappeared etc...I can't find it but am sure it was on the 'September Clues" video. I am very convinced that Jane was standing in front of a Green/Blue screen on which the background image was imposed onto it, hence all the mistakes and different buildings etc. In Sandy Hook they used Green/Blue screens on 99% of the TV reporting. The video below shows what I mean by Green/Blue screens

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Re: 9/ll conspiracy theories: How they've evolved

Post by jd on 30.06.13 18:09

On a sky news 'live' exclusive today, they showed a controlled demolition to bring down 2 twin towers in Dundee. Apart from looking exactly like the NY twin towers and Building 7 controlled demolitions as they came down, it is interesting to observe the rubble that was left on the 3rd photo, compared to the "dust" and evaporation of the steel of the twin towers

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Post by tigger on 30.06.13 18:49

Yes, there is a woman who's written a book about it. She's a scientist and convinced they used a 'new' explosive. the pulverisation of the concrete is off the charts for any known explosive.
Not only that,it was mixed with all the asbestos which I understand is still claiming victims.

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Re: 9/ll conspiracy theories: How they've evolved

Post by bobbin on 30.06.13 20:09

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Yes, there is a woman who's written a book about it. She's a scientist and convinced they used a 'new' explosive. the pulverisation of the concrete is off the charts for any known explosive.
Not only that,it was mixed with all the asbestos  which I understand is still claiming victims.
I used to watch Fred Dibnah's demolition programmes. Although he died some time ago, his programmes are still sometimes shown.
He was so good at explaining the analysis and methodologies required to carry out 'falls' with different criteria.
I was also in a hotel in Vancouver, high up watching an old big hotel being demolished over the way.
The self same 'blast holes' placed symmetrically up the building's sides, as seen in the Scottish buildings' demolitian and in Building 7 on 9/11.
No amount of 'lying' or 'denial' will make anyone, who has studied demolition techniques even a little bit, believe the propaganda version of the 'free fall' of building 7 as being anything other than 'controlled' demolition.

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Post by Guest on 30.06.13 20:16

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Buseb-Gqyes

Just one example of controlled demolitions on tower blocks.

The ones at the World Trade Center went even more smoothly than these did!
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Post by jd on 08.07.13 22:28

Secret move keeps bin Laden records out of sight

WASHINGTON (AP) — The nation's top special operations commander ordered military files about the Navy SEAL raid on Osama bin Laden's hideout to be purged from Defense Department computers and sent to the CIA, where they could be more easily shielded from ever being made public.

The secret move, described briefly in a draft report by the Pentagon's inspector general, set off no alarms within the Obama administration even though it appears to have sidestepped federal rules and perhaps also the Freedom of Information Act.

An acknowledgement by Adm. William McRaven of his actions was quietly removed from the final version of an inspector general's report published weeks ago. A spokesman for the admiral declined to comment. The CIA, noting that the bin Laden mission was overseen by then-CIA Director Leon Panetta before he became defense secretary, said that the SEALs were effectively assigned to work temporarily for the CIA, which has presidential authority to conduct covert operations.

"Documents related to the raid were handled in a manner consistent with the fact that the operation was conducted under the direction of the CIA director," agency spokesman Preston Golson said in an emailed statement. "Records of a CIA operation such as the (bin Laden) raid, which were created during the conduct of the operation by persons acting under the authority of the CIA Director, are CIA records."

Golson said it is "absolutely false" that records were moved to the CIA to avoid the legal requirements of the Freedom of Information Act.

The records transfer was part of an effort by McRaven to protect the names of the personnel involved in the raid, according to the inspector general's draft report.

But secretly moving the records allowed the Pentagon to tell The Associated Press that it couldn't find any documents inside the Defense Department that AP had requested more than two years ago, and could represent a new strategy for the U.S. government to shield even its most sensitive activities from public scrutiny.

"Welcome to the shell game in place of open government," said Thomas Blanton, director of the National Security Archive, a private research institute at George Washington University. "Guess which shell the records are under. If you guess the right shell, we might show them to you. It's ridiculous."

McRaven's directive sent the only copies of the military's records about its daring raid to the CIA, which has special authority to prevent the release of "operational files" in ways that can't effectively be challenged in federal court. The Defense Department can prevent the release of its own military files, too, citing risks to national security. But that can be contested in court, and a judge can compel the Pentagon to turn over non-sensitive portions of records.

Under federal rules, transferring government records from one executive agency to another must be approved in writing by the National Archives and Records Administration. There are limited circumstances when prior approval is not required, such as when the records are moved between two components of the same executive department. The CIA and Special Operations Command are not part of the same department.

The Archives was not aware of any request from the U.S. Special Operations Command to transfer its records to the CIA, spokeswoman Miriam Kleiman said. She said it was the Archives' understanding that the military records belonged to the CIA, so transferring them wouldn't have required permission under U.S. rules.

Special Operations Command also is required to comply with rules established by the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff that dictate how long records must be retained. Its July 2012 manual requires that records about military operations and planning are to be considered permanent and after 25 years, following a declassification review, transferred to the Archives.

Also, the Federal Records Act would not permit agencies "to purge records just on a whim," said Dan Metcalfe, who oversaw the U.S. government's compliance with the Freedom of Information Act as former director of the Justice Department's Office of Information and Privacy. "I don't think there's an exception allowing an agency to say, 'Well, we didn't destroy it. We just deleted it here after transmitting it over there.' High-level officials ought to know better."

It was not immediately clear exactly which Defense Department records were purged and transferred, when it happened or under what authority, if any, they were sent to the CIA. No government agencies the AP contacted would discuss details of the transfer. The timing may be significant: The Freedom of Information Act generally applies to records under an agency's control when a request for them is received. The AP asked for files about the mission in more than 20 separate requests, mostly submitted in May 2011 — several were sent a day after President Barack Obama announced that the world's most wanted terrorist had been killed in a firefight. Obama has pledged to make his administration the most transparent in U.S. history.

The AP asked the Defense Department and CIA separately for files that included copies of the death certificate and autopsy report for bin Laden as well as the results of tests to identify the body. While the Pentagon said it could not locate the files, the CIA, with its special power to prevent the release of records, has never responded. The CIA also has not responded to a separate request for other records, including documents identifying and describing the forces and supplies required to execute the assault on bin Laden's compound.

The CIA did tell the AP it could not locate any emails from or to Panetta and two other top agency officials discussing the bin Laden mission.

McRaven's unusual order would have remained secret had it not been mentioned in a single sentence on the final page in the inspector general's draft report that examined whether the Obama administration gave special access to Hollywood executives planning a film, "Zero Dark Thirty," about the raid. The draft report was obtained and posted online last month by the Project on Government Oversight, a nonprofit watchdog group in Washington.

McRaven, who oversaw the bin Laden raid, expressed concerns in the report about possible disclosure of the identities of the SEALs. The Pentagon "provided the operators and their families an inordinate level of security," the report said. McRaven also directed that the names and photographs associated with the raid not be released.

"This effort included purging the combatant command's systems of all records related to the operation and providing these records to another government agency," according to the draft report. The sentence was dropped from the report's final version.

Since the raid, one of the SEALs published a book about the raid under a pseudonym but was subsequently identified by his actual name. And earlier this year the SEAL credited with shooting bin Laden granted a tell-all, anonymous interview with Esquire about the raid and the challenges of his retiring from the military after 16 years without a pension.

Current and former Defense Department officials knowledgeable about McRaven's directive and the inspector general's report told AP the description of the order in the draft report was accurate. The reference to "another government agency" was code for the CIA, they said. These individuals spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the matter by name.

There is no indication the inspector general's office or anyone else in the U.S. government is investigating the legality of transferring the military records. Bridget Serchak, a spokeswoman for the inspector general, would not explain why the reference was left out of the final report and what, if any, actions the office might be taking.

"Our general statement is that any draft is pre-decisional and that drafts go through many reviews before the final version, including editing or changing language," Serchak wrote in an email.

The unexplained decision to remove the reference to the purge and transfer of the records "smells of bad faith," said Steven Aftergood, director of the Project on Government Secrecy at the Federation of American Scientists. "How should one understand that? That adds insult to injury. It essentially covers up the action."

McRaven oversaw the raid while serving as commander of the Joint Special Operations Command, the secretive outfit in charge of SEAL Team Six and the military's other specialized counterterrorism units. McRaven was nominated by Obama to lead Special Operations Command, JSOC's parent organization, a month before the raid on bin Laden's compound. He replaced Adm. Eric Olson as the command's top officer in August 2011.

Ken McGraw, a spokesman for Special Operations Command, referred questions to the inspector general's office.

The refusal to make available authoritative or contemporaneous records about the bin Laden mission means that the only official accounts of the mission come from U.S. officials who have described details of the raid in speeches, interviews and television appearances. In the days after bin Laden's death, the White House provided conflicting versions of events, falsely saying bin Laden was armed and even firing at the SEALs, misidentifying which of bin Laden's sons was killed and incorrectly saying bin Laden's wife died in the shootout. Obama's press secretary attributed the errors to the "fog of combat."

A U.S. judge and a federal appeals court previously sided with the CIA in a lawsuit over publishing more than 50 "post-mortem" photos and video recordings of bin Laden's corpse. In the case, brought by Judicial Watch, a conservative watchdog group, the CIA did not say the images were operational files to keep them secret. It argued successfully that the photos and videos must be withheld from the public to avoid inciting violence against Americans overseas and compromising secret systems and techniques used by the CIA and the military.

The Defense Department told the AP in March 2012 it could not locate any photographs or video taken during the raid or showing bin Laden's body. It also said it could not find any images of bin Laden's body on the USS Carl Vinson, the aircraft carrier from which he was buried at sea. The Pentagon also said it could not find any death certificate, autopsy report or results of DNA identification tests for bin Laden, or any pre-raid materials discussing how the government planned to dispose of bin Laden's body if he were killed. It said it searched files at the Pentagon, Special Operations Command headquarters in Tampa, Fla., and the Navy command in San Diego that controls the Carl Vinson.

The Pentagon also refused to confirm or deny the existence of helicopter maintenance logs and reports about the performance of military gear used in the raid. One of the stealth helicopters that carried the SEALs in Pakistan crashed during the mission and its wreckage was left behind.

The Defense Department also told the AP in February 2012 that it could not find any emails about the bin Laden mission or his "Geronimo" code name that were sent or received in the year before the raid by McRaven. The department did not say they had been moved to the CIA. It also said it could not find any emails from other senior officers who would have been involved in the mission's planning. It found only three such emails written by or sent to then-Defense Secretary Robert Gates, and these consisted of 12 pages sent to Gates summarizing news reports after the raid.

The Defense Department in November 2012 released copies of 10 emails totaling 31 pages found in the Carl Vinson's computer systems. The messages were heavily censored and described how bin Laden's body was prepared for burial.

These records were not among those purged and then moved to the CIA. Pentagon spokesman Lt. Col. James Gregory said the messages from the Carl Vinson "were not relating to the mission itself and were the property of the Navy."

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AP Intelligence Writer Kimberly Dozier contributed to this report.

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And we invade other countries bleating democracy and freedom of speech!! We have less than the countries we invade

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Re: 9/ll conspiracy theories: How they've evolved

Post by jd on 08.07.13 23:36

Timing is everything sarcastic 

Osama Bin Laden was stopped by the police for speeding just a year after 9/11, reveals stunning secret Pakistani report into raid that killed him
The terror chief was almost caught shortly after the 9/11 attack, said the wife of one of his guards, when their car was stopped for speeding
Bin Laden was in the habit of wearing a cowboy hat in his Abbottabad compound because he thought it would shield him from U.S. drones
He spent his last night with his youngest wife, and the two initially thought the noise from approaching Chinook helicopters was just a rainstorm
A Pakistani government commission decided that killing bin Laden was an act of 'murder' - and that he was a 'victim'
Bin Laden was so secretive about his compound that he and his followers waited until after an earthquake to add a third story to the house
Dr. Shakeel Afridi, now imprisoned in Pakistan for helping the U.S., wasn't arrested for three weeks following the raid, allowing the CIA time to help him escape if U.S. officials had wanted to help him

Al Jazeera's release of the commission's report came on the same day the United States government was exposed for going to great lengths to hide its own collection of information related to the 2011 raid.
The Associated Press gained access to information from the Department of Defense under the Freedom Of Information Act, but only after the Pentagon acknowledged shifting documents to the CIA and purging them from their original files, so it would no longer possess anything it would have to turn over to the news agency.

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Post by Guest on 08.07.13 23:38

Hmmm...there's very believable information elsewhere that he died in December 2001!
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Post by jd on 08.07.13 23:43

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:Hmmm...there's very believable information elsewhere that he died in December 2001!
I know and which is most likely to be true. At the moment there is a game being played, like with Snowdown

Bin Laden thrown off a boat, caught for speeding etc is just laughable. They really do think people are thick to believe all this c***. As laughable as the passport that survived the plane crash, explosions, fires and tower controlled demolition....yet the passport floated onto a NY street!!! Priceless...as is the 'plane crashes' into the pentagon and shanksville which left zero wreckage!!

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Post by jd on 08.07.13 23:51

Flight 93...

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Now this is a plane crash..
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Post by Guest on 08.07.13 23:54

Yep, you don't have to convince me about that. Plane crashes always leave some wreckage, quite often great chunks of it - yet somehow this one didn't......
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Post by jd on 09.07.13 0:33

George W. Bush and the Bin Laden Family, Meeting At Ritz Carlton Hotel, NYC, One Day Before 9/11

According to the Washington Post,  the Carlyle Group met at the Ritz Carlton Hotel in NYC one day before 9/11. In attendance at this meeting were former president George H. W. Bush and  Shafiq bin Laden, the brother of Osama:

The Carlyle Group is a large private-equity investment firm, closely associated with officials of the Bush and Reagan administrations, and has considerable ties to Saudi oil money, including ties to the bin Laden family.

This morning [September 10, 2001] it is holding its annual investor conference at the Ritz Carlton hotel in Washington, DC. Among the guests of honor is investor Shafig bin Laden, brother of Osama bin Laden. [Observer, 6/16/2002; London Times, 5/8/2003] Former President George H. W. Bush, who makes speeches on behalf of the Carlyle Group and is also senior adviser to its Asian Partners fund [Wall Street Journal, 9/27/2001] , attended the conference the previous day, but is not there today (see (8:00 a.m.) September 11, 2001). [Washington Post, 3/16/2003]

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Post by tigger on 09.07.13 5:55

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No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:Hmmm...there's very believable information elsewhere that he died in December 2001!
I know and which is most likely to be true. At the moment there is a game being played, like with Snowdown

Bin Laden thrown off a boat, caught for speeding etc is just laughable. They really do think people are thick to believe all this c***. As laughable as the passport that survived the plane crash, explosions, fires and tower controlled demolition....yet the passport floated onto a NY street!!! Priceless...as is the 'plane crashes' into the pentagon and shanksville which left zero wreckage!!

It is said that Benazie Bhuto was killed because she had stated openly and is on record as saying that Bin Laden was dead.

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Post by Guest on 09.07.13 8:38

Yes there are reports of Ms Bhutto saying that he had been killed.
 
I heard that his death was as the result of kidney failure.
 
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1212851/Has-Osama-Bin-Laden-dead-seven-years--U-S-Britain-covering-continue-war-terror.html

It is the Daily Mail but don't let that put you off. It's only the Madeleine story that has turned previously sensible journalists into brainwashed idiots.
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