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Post by puzzled on 17.08.11 22:28

A pity that a forum like this isn't American based isn't it, or that the admin is not American. I believe they take their first amendment rights very seriously there.
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Post by Willo on 17.08.11 22:35

It would be interesting to see a list of all the libelous and defamatory statements that Gerry, Kate, Mitchell and their cohorts have made over the last 4 years particularly towards Amaral the PJ and even the dogs.
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Post by Dr_Evil on 17.08.11 22:40

@Willo wrote:It would be interesting to see a list of all the libelous and defamatory statements that Gerry, Kate, Mitchell and their cohorts have made over the last 4 years particularly towards Amaral the PJ and even the dogs.

You cannot libel dogs as far as i am aware.
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Post by Angelique on 18.08.11 1:49

TB

I am sorry to hear that CR are pushing this libel claim again.

If the European Court do uphold the Appeal will it work retrospectively - will it cancel put the undertaking you gave.

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Post by jd on 18.08.11 1:50

It goes without saying nobody can say anything against anyone from the the top of their heads or because they feel like it or have a personal grievance against someone. Within the terms of free speech, it has to be what is deemed to be reasonable and largely based on facts

The McCanns......all what we say is based on FACTS...Facts that derive from the officially released PJ documents and published media press articles/TV news reports and documentaries, a true life police investigation which the actual statements and many other documents are released to the general public of the whole wide world. Remember, official documents released to all of us and remember we have free speech to comment on and form views from. Understand this McCanns...official documents which you personally contributed to and therefore are, under our free speech, are able to be scrutinised on....and will always be scrutinised on no matter what you do or say. Especially as you keep trying to get public money from peoples emotions towards you, quite rightly the public need to be satisfied this is being done in good faith. You will never ever stop being scrutinised in this regard, I can so very assure you, until the facts make sense and a reasonable truth is established

Smethurst....you have a duty of responsibility just like any UK citizen in this country. You want to be celebrated, you want the accolade, you want the prestige and you want the money...fair enough and maybe in your past you have worked hard enough to deserve this. But in your position as a director of the public funded Madeleine fund, you will be also be scrutinised when such times deserve it. You have never been accused of anything so stop twisting the words, you have been questioned on your responsibility especially as you are heading a public fund of a 3 year old child. It is our right, as it is every UK citizen's right, to question you on how you have dealt with this situation. If you don't like it and wish to hide behind lawyers then tough....you will be questioned as is our right to, and until you produce a satisfactory answer you shall always be questioned and scrutinised . Any responsible person would have been alarmed and done the right thing immediately to resolve the issue. Do what you like, but this is the fact of the matter which you can never get away from...ever

To all, you may use your powers to scare people, you may use your powers to close this and other sites...but you will never ever stop people scrutinising you in your public positions and in such cases determining the truth. The Phoenix will rise from the ashes stronger than before. I believe very strongly in not only free speech, but core humane values such as honesty, responsibility, respectability and if anyone shows any other signs then they will be questioned, on any level or who they are. The country that fought for me which many people gave their lives for, was based on these values which I totally appreciate and respect and I will forever fight in every way neccessary to keep these values not just for my time on this planet but for future generations to come



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Post by aiyoyo on 18.08.11 3:56

gerry's remark that "freedom of speech does not include freedom to distort" surely applies to him and them as well!

Until they are exonerated by a Court of Law, who is to say which theorist side is distorting?

Each side can say the other side is distorting depending on which theory they believe in.
Team mccanns are so at home with distortion themselves - take the latest Leh sighting for example - both the Leh police and mccanns cant be right. So who's is distorting. Again depending on who you believe and there
can be only one side which is lying.

Take their tale of the shutter as another example - complete distortion.

What about the true purpose of their fund -- did they tell donors they used the fund to pay for two mortgage payments or did they inform the donors bulk of it will goes to legal fees against their critics? Their distortion list goes on......

I will be damn if some alleged child murderer come on and tell me I must stop my brain functioning.
Is casey anthony going to sue half the country for having disbelieving her for example?
Is MJ's estate going to sue half the world for questioning his behavior with boys?

If anyone should sue in this whole saga surrounding Maddie's disappearance it should Amaral and the PJs. They
are so most maligned ones in the whole saga. Who was it who called them "f...king t........sers"?

Talking about freedom of speech and not freedom to distort, well they should look into the mirror first.
They preach one thing and do another, so who proved themselves to be bigger f........king ...t.....ssers?

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Post by aiyoyo on 18.08.11 4:00

@Dr_Evil wrote:This is how i see it. If Tony does not remove the offending posts, then Carter Ruck will continue with the proceddings. If Tony does comply then nothing will get done. People do need to understand though, like i have said before, the difference between libel and free speech, if the mark is overstepped, then there will always be trouble.

I wonder why I get a bad vibes about you?
Your statements are innonence (not) - I can spot you from miles off.
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Post by aiyoyo on 18.08.11 4:11

Oh btw, just want to add Ed Smethurst has yet to prove he isnt just distorting TB's post just to sue him because of hidden agenda. From a neutral bystander viewpoint I dont see TB defaming him in any of his posts. Neither did I see ES saying he's reported depraved posters to the authorities.

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Post by Big Vern on 18.08.11 12:09

@aiyoyo wrote:
@Dr_Evil wrote:This is how i see it. If Tony does not remove the offending posts, then Carter Ruck will continue with the proceddings. If Tony does comply then nothing will get done. People do need to understand though, like i have said before, the difference between libel and free speech, if the mark is overstepped, then there will always be trouble.

I wonder why I get a bad vibes about you?
Your statements are innonence (not) - I can spot you from miles off.

I spotted this one a long time ago.

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Post by Me on 18.08.11 14:26

@Dr_Evil wrote:
@Willo wrote:It would be interesting to see a list of all the libelous and defamatory statements that Gerry, Kate, Mitchell and their cohorts have made over the last 4 years particularly towards Amaral the PJ and even the dogs.

You cannot libel dogs as far as i am aware.

True but by libelling the dogs you're also by extension libelling the handler.
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Post by lj on 18.08.11 14:31

@Big Vern wrote:
@aiyoyo wrote:
@Dr_Evil wrote:This is how i see it. If Tony does not remove the offending posts, then Carter Ruck will continue with the proceddings. If Tony does comply then nothing will get done. People do need to understand though, like i have said before, the difference between libel and free speech, if the mark is overstepped, then there will always be trouble.

I wonder why I get a bad vibes about you?
Your statements are innonence (not) - I can spot you from miles off.

I spotted this one a long time ago.

Yep

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Post by Guest on 18.08.11 14:36

@Me wrote:
@Dr_Evil wrote:
@Willo wrote:It would be interesting to see a list of all the libelous and defamatory statements that Gerry, Kate, Mitchell and their cohorts have made over the last 4 years particularly towards Amaral the PJ and even the dogs.

You cannot libel dogs as far as i am aware.

True but by libelling the dogs you're also by extension libelling the handler.

Precisely Me, the dogs are his tools and welcome back !!
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Post by listener on 19.08.11 1:29

Sheep - tuned into Sky, Virgin or THE SUN
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Post by aiyoyo on 19.08.11 1:54

@listener wrote:Sheep - tuned into Sky, Virgin or THE SUN

Basically richard branson and rupert murdoch, both their supporters.
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