Re: Trip to Huelva

by TrollAng 02.01.12 22:18

Just a coindidence I came across, the owners of the Burgau apartment are from Cardiff which is just down the road from Swansea.

by anil39200 02.01.12 22:41

TrollAng wrote:Just a coindidence I came across, the owners of the Burgau apartment are from Cardiff which is just down the road from Swansea.

Hi, Cardiff is actually 34 miles from Swansea. It's not like dining in your garden going from one to the other! The dvla is in Swansea and there are a number of hospitals with special units such as opthamology etc.the two places have different telephone codes. Swansea numbers are distinct from cardiff numbers.

by Pershing36 02.01.12 23:28

Be bloody ironic though wouldn't it, they are at the Riberia possibly up to no good and they get a call from the CPS in Swansea. ooops

by **tigger** 28.08.13 16:01

I thought it wouldn't be a bad idea to revive this topic in view of the fact that presumably the car they used had a tracking device on it. This is what I suppose as imo the car was impounded - does anyone know the date the dogs alerted to the car? -

Now it does seem to me that the car would be with forensics for some time. It is likely they had another car with the same number plates returned? I have read this quite some time ago.

The Huelva trip was right after the house and car inspection. We don't seem to have taken the timing I to account?
Imo not likely the car which the dogs singled out could be returned so quickly - it would also mean returning evidential material to probable suspects.

by Hicks 28.08.13 17:48

tigger wrote:I thought it wouldn't be a bad idea to revive this topic in view of the fact that presumably the car they used had a tracking device on it. This is what I suppose as imo the car was impounded - does anyone know the date the dogs alerted to the car? -

Now it does seem to me that the car would be with forensics for some time. It is likely they had another car with the same number plates returned? I have read this quite some time ago.

The Huelva trip was right after the house and car inspection. We don't seem to have taken the timing I to account?
Imo not likely the car which the dogs singled out could be returned so quickly - it would also mean returning evidential material to probable suspects.

Hi tigger, it was the 6th August that the dogs alerted to the MC'S car.

From the Mccannfiles it states that Gerry had written in his blog, dated the 6th August, that' he went to a large office store in Portimao to buy a new printer and ink'- a journey that would have to be undertaken by car. But how did he get there and back?

Just to note, also in the files is says that on the 2nd August Gerry cancels his trip to Huelva due to a 'viral illness'. At around 18.00 pm the inspectors knock on the door of the McCann's villa, Jon Corner states in the Panorama documentary that the McCann's were forewarned of this forensic visit and that there were clothes in the washing machine when the inspectors arrived.

by **tigger** 28.08.13 18:22

Hicks wrote:
tigger wrote:I thought it wouldn't be a bad idea to revive this topic in view of the fact that presumably the car they used had a tracking device on it. This is what I suppose as imo the car was impounded - does anyone know the date the dogs alerted to the car? -

Now it does seem to me that the car would be with forensics for some time. It is likely they had another car with the same number plates returned? I have read this quite some time ago.

The Huelva trip was right after the house and car inspection. We don't seem to have taken the timing I to account?
Imo not likely the car which the dogs singled out could be returned so quickly - it would also mean returning evidential material to probable suspects.
Hi tigger, it was the 6th August that the dogs alerted to the MC'S car.

From the Mccannfiles it states that Gerry had written in his blog, dated the 6th August, that' he went to a large office store in Portimao to buy a new printer and ink'- a journey that would have to be undertaken by car. But how did he get there and back?

Just to note, also in the files is says that on the 2nd August Gerry cancels his trip to Huelva due to a 'viral illness'. At around 18.00 pm the inspectors knock on the door of the McCann's villa, Jon Corner states in the Panorama documentary that the McCann's were forewarned of this forensic visit and that there were clothes in the washing machine when the inspectors arrived.

Thanks for that, clears date, but as you can see from his topic, Amaral noted that their route was not in accordance with straightforward trip there ac back. So they must have been tracked, possibly satellite, but I'd think a GPS device - a bug.

It does mean that they drove to Huelva in a smelly car. Hmm.

I think the Camerons had hired their own car they were around for some time.

by Hicks 28.08.13 21:37

tigger wrote:
Hicks wrote:
tigger wrote:I thought it wouldn't be a bad idea to revive this topic in view of the fact that presumably the car they used had a tracking device on it. This is what I suppose as imo the car was impounded - does anyone know the date the dogs alerted to the car? -

Now it does seem to me that the car would be with forensics for some time. It is likely they had another car with the same number plates returned? I have read this quite some time ago.

The Huelva trip was right after the house and car inspection. We don't seem to have taken the timing I to account?
Imo not likely the car which the dogs singled out could be returned so quickly - it would also mean returning evidential material to probable suspects.
Hi tigger, it was the 6th August that the dogs alerted to the MC'S car.

From the Mccannfiles it states that Gerry had written in his blog, dated the 6th August, that' he went to a large office store in Portimao to buy a new printer and ink'- a journey that would have to be undertaken by car. But how did he get there and back?

Just to note, also in the files is says that on the 2nd August Gerry cancels his trip to Huelva due to a 'viral illness'. At around 18.00 pm the inspectors knock on the door of the McCann's villa, Jon Corner states in the Panorama documentary that the McCann's were forewarned of this forensic visit and that there were clothes in the washing machine when the inspectors arrived.
Thanks for that, clears date, but as you can see from his topic, Amaral noted that their route was not in accordance with straightforward trip there ac back. So they must have been tracked, possibly satellite, but I'd think a GPS device - a bug.

It does mean that they drove to Huelva in a smelly car. Hmm.

I think the Camerons had hired their own car they were around for some time.

I have just read that 'the PJ has already collected video surveillance images in locations that make no sense
where the Renault scenic may have been through'.

by Guest 28.08.13 22:41

Something that still puzzles me [no offense meant] is that a "male" can describe a Scenic as an Espace ...

by Liz Eagles 28.08.13 23:23

Châtelaine wrote:Something that still puzzles me [no offense meant] is that a "male" can describe a Scenic as an Espace ...

Most men can tell you the model of a car in my experience. Women aren't bad at it either.

Good point Chatelaine.

by Guest 20.10.13 13:08

Bump for any new members.

by ConcernedCitizen 20.10.13 14:09

Thanks candyfloss. I think Huevla was a red herring as suggested by the OP.

by sallypelt 20.10.13 14:12

aquila wrote:
Châtelaine wrote:Something that still puzzles me [no offense meant] is that a "male" can describe a Scenic as an Espace ...
Most men can tell you the model of a car in my experience. Women aren't bad at it either.

Good point Chatelaine.

I am an expert when it comes to describing cars. When asked what car it was, I say it's a blue one or a green one etc. The difficulty begins when the car is between colours, such as blue and green spit coffee

Funny moment over:flag:

by **PeterMac** 20.10.13 16:13

During a course at Bramshill one of our group came back after coffee and told the instructor he had to return home.
The instructor naturally asked if everything was well at home, hoped there was no family illness etc.
The officer replied that he had just phoned his wife, and she had told him she had bought a new car.
He had asked what sort.
She had replied "A Blue one"
There was general agreement that he should be released immediately and return home !

by Okeydokey 20.10.13 19:58

Châtelaine wrote:Something that still puzzles me [no offense meant] is that a "male" can describe a Scenic as an Espace ...

No way could I LOL

by Spandex 21.10.13 7:12

This is such an interesting thread it astounds me how many switched on Poster there are - were any conclusions reached?

by Pershing36 21.10.13 9:12

Maybe SY could track the route via mobile phone signals? I can't remember but wasn't this the trip when the mysterious Swansea call came in, or am I totally wrong?

by Ayniia 21.10.13 17:21

Angelique wrote:
As regards the papers found I have seen then I think on "mccannfiles.com." But it was a long time ago.

Are you sure it were the same papers? I've looked all over for them and nada, can anyone please help?
Because IMO they're very very important, all those coincidences with the Swansea number,especially the fact the it called the embassy...

by spirals 21.10.13 18:53

My first thought on reading this thread: You could certainly visit the area of Ribeira do Vascao en route between Luz and Huelva.

by Hicks 21.10.13 19:02

spirals wrote:My first thought on reading this thread: You could certainly visit the area of Ribeira do Vascao en route between Luz and Huelva.

Whilst looking up material about this trip I found this statement from a caller who pulled up alongside GM at traffic lights in Huelva.
What struck me was the description of the passenger sat behind KM. It was the short, almost shaved hair of this male. Did I dream it or was there a description on CW about a man who had short, could be shaved hair?
Please scroll down a bit to read. This is VERY interesting!

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by Hicks 21.10.13 19:55

Hicks wrote:
spirals wrote:My first thought on reading this thread: You could certainly visit the area of Ribeira do Vascao en route between Luz and Huelva.
Whilst looking up material about this trip I found this statement from a caller who pulled up alongside GM at traffic lights in Huelva.
What struck me was the description of the passenger sat behind KM. It was the short, almost shaved hair of this male. Did I dream it or was there a description on CW about a man who had short, could be shaved hair?
Please scroll down a bit to read. This is VERY interesting!

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Ok, the e-fit put out by SY is of a man with very short/shaved hair. This same man seen in the Renault Scenic in Huelva!!

by Ayniia 21.10.13 20:12

Didn't Jon Corner went with them? He fits the description IMO

by Hicks 21.10.13 20:17

Jon Corner is bald, I suspect that the caller would have said 'a bald man'. The witness also said that there could have been a female behind Kate though she could not swear.

by Guest 21.10.13 20:44

Few men of his age are bold. They start having retreating hairlines and shave. Corner was with them on the Huelva trip. Keep it simple ... As for the missing "hourSSS", one should take into consideration the time difference between Portugal and Spain. Once they got to Huelva it was one hour later - the difference can can be explained away [like so many things winkwink

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by Hicks 21.10.13 21:06

Châtelaine wrote:Few men of his age are bold. They start having retreating hairlines and shave. Corner was with them on the Huelva trip. Keep it simple ... As for the missing "hourSSS", one should take into consideration the time difference between Portugal and Spain. Once they got to Huelva it was one hour later - the difference can can be explained away [like so many things ] ...

Ok.. gotcha. Was probably John McCann then who has really short/shaved hair. yes

by Woofer 21.10.13 22:27

PeterMac wrote:During a course at Bramshill one of our group came back after coffee and told the instructor he had to return home.
The instructor naturally asked if everything was well at home, hoped there was no family illness etc.
The officer replied that he had just phoned his wife, and she had told him she had bought a new car.
He had asked what sort.
She had replied "A Blue one"
There was general agreement that he should be released immediately and return home !

What`s so wrong with that? I wouldn`t know the names of cars - they all look pretty much the same to me (a metal box on 4 wheels that moves). The colour is the only way I can distinguish cars. Mine`s red !

by TellTheTruth 22.10.13 9:00

Could it be that the phone records will catch them out? As other posters have said, they had their phones with them on the trip.

There was talk before the Crimewatch about a study of the phone records and a short interview with a lady ( can't remember her name) who spoke of how forensics had improved over the past 5 years or so. The phone records threads here have always been very interesting.

I always thought the Huevla trip was a cover, it was just another little act. I never understood the need to travel all those miles to hand out a few dozen leaflets. It just doesn't ring true or sound convincing. IMHO.

by Gillyspot 30.10.13 9:28

Just popped on twitter & saw a link to a HiDeHo video which includes JC's footage of trip to Huelva.

Look @ 4.40 mins - Gerry loading a box which looks like cleaning cloths in the car (why?)
Look @ 4.55 mins - Gerry was wearing plastic gloves (why??).

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@ 4.40 mins Kate can be heard saying "they haven't arrived"- This will be the police for the search by dogs I assume.

All looking somewhat suspicious to me. Did the cleaning cloths have cadaverine on them as dog alerted in boot?

Anyway GTG but hopefully something to think about.

by sami 30.10.13 9:34

Gillyspot wrote:Just popped on twitter & saw a link to a HiDeHo video which includes JC's footage of trip to Huelva.

Look @ 4.40 mins - Gerry loading a box which looks like cleaning cloths in the car (why?)
Look @ 4.55 mins - Gerry was wearing plastic gloves (why??).

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@ 4.40 mins Kate can be heard saying "they haven't arrived"- This will be the police for the search by dogs I assume.

All looking somewhat suspicious to me. Did the cleaning cloths have cadaverine on them as dog alerted in boot?

Anyway GTG but hopefully something to think about.

I have mentioned those gloves before but have been told others cannot see them. I'm glad someone else can.

I prefer to think, and think it more likely, it was cloths etc that caused the evidence in the boot as opposed to the little girl being there. This is packing for the trip to Heulva.

Yes it is an interesting video indeed.

by divinetheswine 30.10.13 9:40

Gillyspot wrote:

Look @ 4.40 mins - Gerry loading a box which looks like cleaning cloths in the car (why?)
Look @ 4.55 mins - Gerry was wearing plastic gloves (why??).

Well spotted Gillyspot! The gloves do seem a little strange.

by Smokeandmirrors 30.10.13 9:47

Gillyspot wrote:Just popped on twitter & saw a link to a HiDeHo video which includes JC's footage of trip to Huelva.

Look @ 4.40 mins - Gerry loading a box which looks like cleaning cloths in the car (why?)
Look @ 4.55 mins - Gerry was wearing plastic gloves (why??).

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@ 4.40 mins Kate can be heard saying "they haven't arrived"- This will be the police for the search by dogs I assume.

All looking somewhat suspicious to me. Did the cleaning cloths have cadaverine on them as dog alerted in boot?

Anyway GTG but hopefully something to think about.

Kate also says near the end that the "predator" broke in. As it was all left unsecured, I cannot see any evidence of breaking n. Walked in yes, but not "broke in" which implies some effort required to gain access. Unfortunately no effort would have been required.