Re: Kate obsessed with beautiful children?

by Angelique 09.08.11 0:04

Beauty is in eye of the beholder.

Strange that she chose Gerry - JMO

by ROSA 14.08.11 2:22

by **tigger** 14.08.11 12:44

PeterMac wrote:p 26 "Our daughter was perfect. A beautiful round head, no marks, and not at all squashed. Big, brown eyes and a lovely, compact little body. The most wonderful thing I had ever set eyes on. I loved her instantly."

p.37 He wasn’t the prettiest, God bless him: he was squashed from the birth and his head was lopsided. But I loved him regardless and I’m glad to say he’s a really handsome chap these days, just gorgeous. Amelie was beautiful from the start - petite with a little rosebud mouth.”

p 129 too infamous to quote here - but again the emphasis on the ‘perfect’ rather than normal.

p 52 Sean and Amelie had always been perfect sleepers

So some perfect children, but Katey is such a perfect mother that she is able to love the one who wasn't. And now he is perfect and gorgeous again, so that's all right then. This is part of the strange Disney world they inhabit. Nothing can just be normal.
In fact we know that Madeleine was not perfect at all. She had a possibly very serious eye condition, which may be a sign of other genetic abnormalities, she screamed with colic for the first four months of her life, she had difficulty sleeping and used to get out of bed and go into the parent's bedroom, hence the need for the 'star chart'.
And when the detectives asked Katey whether she had considered handing Madeleine to a relative to look after, this was not something they just invented. They knew the answer and were asking to see if Katey would tell the truth or lie. In fact she refused to answer.

The lady doth protest too much, methinks. Hamlet, 3,2,230

BIG BROWN EYES?
I'm sure that she gave the description of Maddie to the PJ as having two different colour eyes. Plus the coloboma of course. Any other alleles suddenly changed?

by **tigger** 14.08.11 12:56

jd wrote:http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN.htm
GM in his statement 4th May 2007 "Her left eye is blue and green and her right eye is green with a brown mark in the pupil. She has a small brown birthmark ,on the knee of her left leg"

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/KATE-MCCANN.htm
KM in her statement 4th May 2007 "Left eye blue-green same as the right, which has a brown spot. She has a small brown spot on the skin of her left leg as well as sunburn on her right forearm. She has no scars. "

OK. I've just posted re the fact in the book that Madeleine was born with 'big brown eyes' which obviously changed to blue/green plus enormous coloboma (from the barely noticeable fleck).
Now she's got a birthmark!
This is beginning to look very iffy. Madeleine, however beautiful the name, was not beautiful. She was a slightly disadvantaged child.
How could two perfect parents have such a child? The twins are perfect.

I've think you've hit on something vital. Gerry was the youngest child - youngest brother by 10 years. Spoiled rotten probably. Katey was only child by a mother who like looking good (Mrs. H. looks pretty good now). Must have been sort of 'snap!' when G and K met.
They never had to take care of siblings. Quite the opposite.
I think that's important. They are like robots who've read a manual on how to be an ideal parent. Hence Gerry reading stories to the children, something I find very hard to believe, and so on....

by Invinoveritas 14.08.11 13:21

snip/ I've think you've hit on something vital. Gerry was the youngest child - youngest brother by 10 years. Spoiled rotten probably. Katey was only child by a mother who like looking good (Mrs. H. looks pretty good now). / snip

I´m not sure here, to Gerry: was it family-planning, if yes then he could have been spoilt, if not then quite possibly he could have been an annoyance.

To Kate, I´ve put a link in here because I´m not all that good at explaining things, it concerns Endometriosis and the effects on the Mental Health.

http://www.womens-health.co.uk/endometriosis_emotions.html

It´s something I have been pondering for a while now, especially the feelings of inadequacy and the mood swings.

by Guest 14.08.11 13:44

Just for information, babies eyes can change colour up to 3 years of age. Sometimes later. Although I did think it was mainly babies born with blue eyes, that tend to change. Need to do some more googling!

Changes in eye color

In all populations, children are most commonly born with unpigmented eyes. However, most babies who have European ancestry have light-colored eyes before the age of one. As the child develops, melanocytes (cells found within the iris of human eyes, as well as skin and hair follicles) slowly begin to produce melanin. Because melanocyte cells continually produce pigment, in theory eye color can be changed. Most eye changes happen when the infant is around one year old, although it can happen up to three years of age.^[19] Observing the iris of an infant from the side using only transmitted light with no reflection from the back of the iris, it is possible to detect the presence or absence of low levels of melanin. An iris that appears blue under this method of observation is more likely to remain blue as the infant ages. An iris that appears golden contains some melanin even at this early age and is likely to turn green or brown as the infant ages.

Changes (lightening or darkening) of eye colors during puberty, early childhood, pregnancy, and sometimes after serious trauma (like heterochromia) do represent cause for plausible argument to state that some eyes can or do change, based on chemical reactions and hormonal changes within the body.

Studies on Caucasian twins, both fraternal and identical, have shown that eye color over time can be subject to change, and major demelanization of the iris may also be genetically determined. Most eye-color changes have been observed or reported in the Caucasian population with hazel eyes.^[20]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_color#Changes_in_eye_color

by puzzled 14.08.11 13:51

tigger wrote: Madeleine was born with 'big brown eyes'

Caucasian babies are virtually always born with blue eyes.

I wonder how someone with medical training could have forgotten that.

by Guest 14.08.11 13:58

puzzled wrote:
tigger wrote: Madeleine was born with 'big brown eyes'

Caucasian babies are virtually always born with blue eyes.

I wonder how someone with medical training could have forgotten that.

Yes, thats what I thought as I said in my previous post. I don't know if eyes can change from brown to green/blue,

Just to add to my previous post, I would have thought, if her eyes had changed colour then KM should have mentioned it in that passage, because after all the book was published to help in the search for Madeleine, and how can it, if people are looking for a brown eyed girl!

by **tigger** 14.08.11 15:02

I'm pretty sure that eye colour can change from blue or light to dark, but not the other way round. The same with skin colour, a baby can have fairly pale skin, which can darken fairly quickly, say a year. But not the other way round. A coloboma would not develop, it would just be there or not. It's a defect in the pupil, not the iris.
IMO big brown eyes can't change to green/blue. I believe brown would be the dominant gene if there were both genes present. Can't imagine how a dominant gene will change?

by **tigger** 14.08.11 15:30

Invinoveritas wrote:snip/ I've think you've hit on something vital. Gerry was the youngest child - youngest brother by 10 years. Spoiled rotten probably. Katey was only child by a mother who like looking good (Mrs. H. looks pretty good now). / snip

I´m not sure here, to Gerry: was it family-planning, if yes then he could have been spoilt, if not then quite possibly he could have been an annoyance.

To Kate, I´ve put a link in here because I´m not all that good at explaining things, it concerns Endometriosis and the effects on the Mental Health.

http://www.womens-health.co.uk/endometriosis_emotions.html

It´s something I have been pondering for a while now, especially the feelings of inadequacy and the mood swings.

I don't think the McCann family - being catholic - went in for much family planning. I think Philomena is in between the two brothers, so more of an extra mum, which seems to be the case from her own behaviour. I very much think Gerald was the favourite, studying at university, athletic etc.

The endometriosis link lists depression, frustration, isolation which aren't exactly unique to that condition. I do think K is unbalanced, but I feel she must always have had this tendency. She mentions alcohol so frequently in the book and (this is second hand info) apparently did drink a lot when she was a student. That leads to depression as well.
Blacksmith has described her book as the longest suicide note in history. He's right, it is so littered with lies and inconsistencies that Amaral must have a copy covered notes in the margins.
But Kate doesn't just suffer from the above conditions, she has an overweening sense of her own importance. The book is all about her, which is what we should want to know. But we don't, we want to know about Maddie. We now know she had a number of imperfections.
She probably had ADHD, woke up frequently, threw tantrums, was a screamer, was slow in speech for her age and if her parents' information is to be believed, below the lowest percentile of height for her age.
In the latest photographs, she is not particularly pretty, just normal. But in the iconic poster, she was made into the most beautiful little girl in the world.

by Guest 14.08.11 17:44

Just as a matter of interest - or maybe because I'm nosy - Gerry is one of five children but I can't remember ever hearing of anyone other than he, John, Philomena and Trisha. Who's the other one?

by Guest 14.08.11 18:00

Marian wrote:Just as a matter of interest - or maybe because I'm nosy - Gerry is one of five children but I can't remember ever hearing of anyone other than he, John, Philomena and Trisha. Who's the other one?

That's an interesting question, Marian. According to Katie, her name is Jack. Katie mentions her only once, as Gerry's sister. On the index it refers to this page and another entry on P28. But when I look at P28 there is nothing.

by happychick 14.08.11 18:03

Her name is Jacqueline McCann.

according to Pamalam's site she shares the same birthday as Madeleine but there is no other information or images.

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/FAMILY.htm

by lj 14.08.11 18:22

Wasn't she the one whose fiancee got shot in front of their house? I can imagine that after such a trauma you want to keep your distance from the McCann circus.

by Guest 14.08.11 18:34

lj wrote:Wasn't she the one whose fiancee got shot in front of their house? I can imagine that after such a trauma you want to keep your distance from the McCann circus.

Details are here (scroll down a bit past purple box).................

http://forum2.aimoo.com/MadeleineMcCann/Individual-Topics/Family-1-961998.html

by Kitti 22.08.11 23:04

The make up pic above .......does she mention it in her book?

by Guest 22.08.11 23:15

Kitti wrote:The make up pic above .......does she mention it in her book?

I have searched everywhere, Kitti & can't find any mention at all.

by Kitti 22.08.11 23:16

Ok, thanks ..

by **tigger** 23.08.11 6:34

Molly wrote:
Kitti wrote:The make up pic above .......does she mention it in her book?

I have searched everywhere, Kitti & can't find any mention at all.

I'm sure she mentions it in the book. It's certainly there amongst the photos as well.

I don't have easy access to the book but when that photographs first came out Kate said it was taken after Maddie 'raided my make-up box'. In the book this is changed to a visiting beautician who made her up. I think Kate may have seen some of the internet comments of posters who have toddlers of their own, no way does a three year old put on make up like that. Blue eyeshadow IMO is a bit tarty and about twenty years out of date.

If you know someone with a kindle version they could search for 'beautician'.
I was so surprised to see that IMO paedo candy in the book, could hardly believe it was shoved in our faces again.

by Guest 23.08.11 9:06

I've definitely heard that the revised version of who made up Madeleine in the blue eye shadow photo is in the book. I rather suspect that, just like the "expert" who assured the McCanns that they were responsible parents, the professional beautician will never be found to confirm the story.

by pauline 23.08.11 9:42

Jean wrote:I've definitely heard that the revised version of who made up Madeleine in the blue eye shadow photo is in the book. I rather suspect that, just like the "expert" who assured the McCanns that they were responsible parents, the professional beautician will never be found to confirm the story.

I believe the expert who advised the McCanns they were responsible parents is barrister Michael Nicholls QC of Hare Court London.

In the book she writes about a paralegal from IFLG and a barrister coming to Portugal (weekend May 11,12,13 2007) and how they had meetings with them. She does not name either of them in the book. However, look on the IFLG website and put McCann into the search box and you will come up with two press releases IFLG issued re madeleine. In the one dated 13 May 2007 announcing they are acting for the McCanns, Mr Nicholls is mentioned and he must be the barrister who advised them.

As for the beautician, Jean, I do not think we will ever know. I do not believe the story. My own daughters have used my old make up at Madeleine's age but they looked more liked clowns when they had finished. they could not have ended up looking like she did, but then perhaps madeleine is special and can put eye shadow only where it is meant to go?

by LG78 23.08.11 10:23

Strange, I tried look for Gerrys sister, I found one Jaqueline Mccanns,(not his sister I guess) and she had a son, Philip Mccann, that died 19 years old.
Guess when he died. 03 May 2008...

http://phillip-mccann.gonetoosoon.org/

by LG78 23.08.11 10:37

Look at this Chain mail produced by Phil mccann . He states this : " as the story is only being covered in Britain, Eire and Portugal. We don't
believe that she is in Portugal anymore and need to get her picture and the story across Europe as quickly as possible. " ..
Well that is defently not true. The story was covered in Norway,Sweden and Denmark as well from day one as it appered in the news. And it was main news here for weeks. And Norway is in Europe..So is Sweden and Denmark.. Im sure other European country covered the story as well..
Shttp://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/MADELINE_1_.pdf

by LG78 23.08.11 10:48

pauline wrote:
Jean wrote:I've definitely heard that the revised version of who made up Madeleine in the blue eye shadow photo is in the book. I rather suspect that, just like the "expert" who assured the McCanns that they were responsible parents, the professional beautician will never be found to confirm the story.

I believe the expert who advised the McCanns they were responsible parents is barrister Michael Nicholls QC of Hare Court London.

In the book she writes about a paralegal from IFLG and a barrister coming to Portugal (weekend May 11,12,13 2007) and how they had meetings with them. She does not name either of them in the book. However, look on the IFLG website and put McCann into the search box and you will come up with two press releases IFLG issued re madeleine. In the one dated 13 May 2007 announcing they are acting for the McCanns, Mr Nicholls is mentioned and he must be the barrister who advised them.

As for the beautician, Jean, I do not think we will ever know. I do not believe the story. My own daughters have used my old make up at Madeleine's age but they looked more liked clowns when they had finished. they could not have ended up looking like she did, but then perhaps madeleine is special and can put eye shadow only where it is meant to go?

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/iflg_pr070513.pdf

by missbeetle 23.05.14 6:51

tigger wrote:
PeterMac wrote:p 26 "Our daughter was perfect. A beautiful round head, no marks, and not at all squashed. Big, brown eyes and a lovely, compact little body. The most wonderful thing I had ever set eyes on. I loved her instantly."

p.37 He wasn’t the prettiest, God bless him: he was squashed from the birth and his head was lopsided. But I loved him regardless and I’m glad to say he’s a really handsome chap these days, just gorgeous. Amelie was beautiful from the start - petite with a little rosebud mouth.”

p 129 too infamous to quote here - but again the emphasis on the ‘perfect’ rather than normal.

p 52 Sean and Amelie had always been perfect sleepers

So some perfect children, but Katey is such a perfect mother that she is able to love the one who wasn't. And now he is perfect and gorgeous again, so that's all right then. This is part of the strange Disney world they inhabit. Nothing can just be normal.
In fact we know that Madeleine was not perfect at all. She had a possibly very serious eye condition, which may be a sign of other genetic abnormalities, she screamed with colic for the first four months of her life, she had difficulty sleeping and used to get out of bed and go into the parent's bedroom, hence the need for the 'star chart'.
And when the detectives asked Katey whether she had considered handing Madeleine to a relative to look after, this was not something they just invented. They knew the answer and were asking to see if Katey would tell the truth or lie. In fact she refused to answer.

The lady doth protest too much, methinks. Hamlet, 3,2,230
BIG BROWN EYES?
I'm sure that she gave the description of Maddie to the PJ as having two different colour eyes. Plus the coloboma of course. Any other alleles suddenly changed?

Please could someone with a paper copy of Kate's book check out this "big, brown eyes" statement? It's the first time I've come across it. My kindle edition describes Madeleine as having "big, big eyes".

I am well aware the bewk may have been revised since it was first printed.

Thank you!

by juliet 23.05.14 7:30

Surely babies are born with blue eyes, never brown?

by sami 23.05.14 7:33

p 26 "Our daughter was perfect. A beautiful round head, no marks, and not at all squashed. Big, brown eyes and a lovely, compact little body. The most wonderful thing I had ever set eyes on. I loved her instantly."

Odd, nearly all babies born to white parents have blue eyes at birth, the colour changing over the first few weeks of life. I have never seen a new born with brown eyes.

by **Enid O'Dowd** 23.05.14 8:50

missbeetle wrote:
tigger wrote:
PeterMac wrote:p 26 "Our daughter was perfect. A beautiful round head, no marks, and not at all squashed. Big, brown eyes and a lovely, compact little body. The most wonderful thing I had ever set eyes on. I loved her instantly."

p.37 He wasn’t the prettiest, God bless him: he was squashed from the birth and his head was lopsided. But I loved him regardless and I’m glad to say he’s a really handsome chap these days, just gorgeous. Amelie was beautiful from the start - petite with a little rosebud mouth.”

p 129 too infamous to quote here - but again the emphasis on the ‘perfect’ rather than normal.

p 52 Sean and Amelie had always been perfect sleepers

So some perfect children, but Katey is such a perfect mother that she is able to love the one who wasn't. And now he is perfect and gorgeous again, so that's all right then. This is part of the strange Disney world they inhabit. Nothing can just be normal.
In fact we know that Madeleine was not perfect at all. She had a possibly very serious eye condition, which may be a sign of other genetic abnormalities, she screamed with colic for the first four months of her life, she had difficulty sleeping and used to get out of bed and go into the parent's bedroom, hence the need for the 'star chart'.
And when the detectives asked Katey whether she had considered handing Madeleine to a relative to look after, this was not something they just invented. They knew the answer and were asking to see if Katey would tell the truth or lie. In fact she refused to answer.

The lady doth protest too much, methinks. Hamlet, 3,2,230
BIG BROWN EYES?
I'm sure that she gave the description of Maddie to the PJ as having two different colour eyes. Plus the coloboma of course. Any other alleles suddenly changed?

Please could someone with a paper copy of Kate's book check out this "big, brown eyes" statement? It's the first time I've come across it. My kindle edition describes Madeleine as having "big, big eyes".

I am well aware the bewk may have been revised since it was first printed.

Thank you!

In the Irish paperback edition page 26 it is 'big, big eyes' as in your kindle edition.

by **tigger** 23.05.14 9:21

To avoid confusion, PeterMac had misread iirc and I know he corrected it later. big, big eyes is correct. But...
One would expect some comment on the different colours - in my case I would have been delighted, an even more special baby!
Not mentioning the fake coloboma in the 4th May interview explains why the PJ became aware of the screamingly obvious 'defect' later, as their first image wasn't the 'marketing logo' but the pink top one.

by aiyoyo 23.05.14 9:30

sami wrote:p 26 "Our daughter was perfect. A beautiful round head, no marks, and not at all squashed. Big, brown eyes and a lovely, compact little body. The most wonderful thing I had ever set eyes on. I loved her instantly."

Odd, nearly all babies born to white parents have blue eyes at birth, the colour changing over the first few weeks of life. I have never seen a new born with brown eyes.

All baby are born with their eyes shut tight .
Even when open later it is only still a slit, never big and round until at least a few months later, colour not always clearly distinguishable until much later.