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Post by Tony Bennett on 28.11.09 22:36

[NOTE: Nothing further has been heard from Carter-Ruck in the 10 weeks since this letter was written to them]

From: Tony Bennett M.A.
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HARLOW
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Tel: 01279 635789
e-mail: ajsbennett@btinternet.com

Isabel Hudson
Carter-Ruck Thursday 17 September 2009
International Press Centre
76 Shoe Lane
LONDON
EC4A 3JB

For the attention of Isabel Hudson

Your ref: IH/DH/13837.1

Dear Sirs,

re: Brian Kennedy and Patrick Kennedy

I reply to your letter of 28 August.

I deal firstly with the four allegations you set out on page 1 of your letter:

(1) “That Brian Kennedy bought a house (in Cheshire) where he regularly met with intelligence operatives he appointed including those from Metodo 3”

RESPONSE: You say this is ‘untrue’, but do not say whether the whole or part of that statement is untrue. We do have what we consider to be sound information that there is indeed a house in Cheshire, in Knutsford in fact, which is used by Brian Kennedy as the centre of intelligence-gathering operations connected to the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

Further, if you look at the long article by Mark Hollingsworth, below, it is plain from that that Brian Kennedy did indeed in effect ‘run’ the intelligence operation as I described in my post on 3Arguidos.

Indeed, that article makes some serious allegations against Brian Kennedy. For example, Mr Hollingsworth alleges that:

· “The involvement of Brian Kennedy and his son Patrick in the operation was counter-productive, notably when they were questioned by the local police for acting suspiciously while attempting a 24-hour ‘stake out’,” and that:
· “Key witnesses were questioned far too aggressively, so much so that some of them later refused to talk to the police”.

He also stated: “Instead the efforts of the private eyes served only to scare off witnesses, waste funds and raise false hopes”.

The allegations that Mr Kennedy’s activities ‘scared off witnesses’ and that ‘key witnesses were questioned far too aggressively, so much so that some of them refused to talk to the police’ are very serious allegations, which could be held to amount to the commission of the criminal offence of interfering with the course of justice, or a similar offence of interfering with a criminal investigation which we understand is a criminal offence known to Portuguese law.

There are also many questions about Brian Kennedy’s precise role in his intelligence-gathering operation, not least what was the subject matter of his discussions with suspect Robert Murat in Portugal in November 2007. His attempts to speak to Mr Martin Smith, a potential witness to events in Praia da Luz, were another concern. Then there were the reports that on 13 January 2008, Mr Kennedy or one of his representatives interviewed Albert Schuurmans, Head of the Roscoe Foundation, based in the Algarve. Mr Schuurmans was reported to have claimed, wrongly, that ‘there are no orphanages in Espiche’, which had a bearing on an alleged sighting of a possible abductor by a Mrs Cooper.

However, in the light of the statement in your letter and your assurance that my claim is untrue, I undertake not to publish that or any similar allegation, in any medium, unless and until I have absolute proof of any of the facts that I have claimed.

(2) “That Madeleine McCann died in apartment 3A and that Brian Kennedy is at the centre of a huge, costly and well-organised cover-up operation

RESPONSE: By now, millions of people worldwide believe that Madeleine McCann died in Apartment 5A in Praia da Luz. In my case, my opinion is formed substantially on the basis of the facts about the investigation into her disappearance set out by the original senior detective in the case, Goncalo Amaral. I am however willing to give the following undertaking, in the terms you suggest: I undertake not to publish that or any similar allegation, in any medium.

(3) “That Patrick Kennedy was said to be intimately involved with the McCann operation or cover-up”

RESPONSE: At this point, I need to reproduce the recent article on your clients penned by Mark Hollingsworth of the ‘Evening Standard’:

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Mark Hollingsworth Investigates The McCann Files

Disillusioned with the Portuguese police, Gerry and Kate McCann turned to private detectives to find their missing daughter. Instead the efforts of the private eyes served only to scare off witnesses, waste funds and raise false hopes. Mark Hollingsworth investigates the investigators.

by Mark Hollingsworth

It was billed as a ‘significant development’ in the exhaustive search for Madeleine McCann. At a recent dramatic press conference in London, the lead private investigator David Edgar, a retired Cheshire detective inspector, brandished an E-FIT image of an Australian woman, described her as ‘a bit of a Victoria Beckham lookalike’, and appealed for help in tracing her. The woman was seen ‘looking agitated’ outside a restaurant in Barcelona three days after Madeleine’s disappearance. ‘It is a strong lead’, said Edgar, wearing a pin-stripe suit in front of a bank of cameras and microphones. ‘Madeleine could have been in Barcelona by that point. The fact the conversation took place near the marina could be significant.’

But within days reporters discovered that the private detectives had failed to make the most basic enquiries before announcing their potential breakthrough. Members of Edgar’s team who visited Barcelona had failed to speak to anyone working at the restaurant near where the agitated woman was seen that night, neglected to ask if the mystery woman had been filmed on CCTV cameras and knew nothing about the arrival of an Australian luxury yacht just after Madeleine vanished.

The apparent flaws in this latest development were another salutary lesson for Kate and Gerry McCann, who have relied on private investigators after the Portuguese police spent more time falsely suspecting the parents than searching for their daughter. For their relations with private detectives have been frustrating, unhappy and controversial ever since their daughter’s disappearance in May 2007.

The search has been overseen by the millionaire business Brian Kennedy, 49, who set up Madeleine’s Fund: Leaving No Stone Unturned, which aimed ‘to procure that Madeleine’s abduction is thoroughly investigated’. A straight-talking, tough, burly self-made entrepreneur and rugby fanatic, he grew up in a council flat near Tynecastle in Scotland and was brought up as a Jehovah’s Witness. He started his working life as a window cleaner and by 2007 had acquired a £350 million fortune from double-glazing and home-improvement ventures. Kennedy was outraged by the police insinuations against the McCanns and, though a stranger, worked tirelessly on their behalf. ‘His motivation was sincere,’ said someone who worked closely with him. ‘He was appalled by the Portuguese police, but he also had visions of flying in by helicopter to rescue Madeleine.’

Kennedy commissioned private detectives to conduct an investigation parallel to the one run by the Portuguese police. But his choice showed how dangerous it is when powerful and wealthy businessmen try to play detective. In September 2007, he hired Metodo 3, an agency based in Barcelona, on a six-month contract and paid it an estimated £50,000 a month. Metodo 3 was hired because of Spain’s ‘language and cultural connection’ with Portugal. ‘If we’d had big-booted Brits or, heaven forbid, Americans, we would have had doors slammed in our faces’ said Clarence Mitchell, spokesperson for the McCann’s at the time. ‘And it’s quite likely that we could have been charged with hindering the investigation as technically it’s illegal in Portugal to undertake a secondary investigation.

The agency had 35 investigators working on the case in Britain, France, Spain, Portugal and Morocco. A hotline was set up for the public to report sightings and suspicions, and the search focussed on Morocco. But the investigation was dogged by over-confidence and braggadocio. ‘We know who took Madeleine and hope she will be home by Christmas,’ boasted Metodo 3’s flamboyant boss Francisco Marco. But no Madeleine materialised and their contract was not renewed.

Until now, few details have emerged about the private investigation during those crucial early months, but an investigation by ES shows that key mistakes were made, which in turn made later enquiries far more challenging.

ES has spoken to several sources close to the private investigations that took place in the first year and discovered that:

* The involvement of Brian Kennedy and his son Patrick in the operation was counter-productive, notably when they were questioned by the local police for acting suspiciously while attempting a 24-hour ‘stake out’.
* The relationship between Metodo 3 and the Portuguese police had completely broken down.
* Key witnesses were questioned far too aggressively, so much so that some of them later refused to talk to the police.
* Many of the investigators had little experience of the required painstaking forensic detective work.

By April 2008, nearing the first anniversary of the disappearance, Kennedy and the McCanns were desperate. And so when H.E., a former undercover police officer who worked on M15 operations, and Kevin Halligen, a smooth-talking Irishman who claimed to have worked for covert British government intelligence agency GCHQ, walked through the door, their timing was perfect. Their sales pitch was classic James Bond spook-talk: everything had to be ‘top secret’ and ‘on a need to know basis’. The operation would involve 24-hour alert systems, undercover units, satellite imagery and round-the-clock surveillance teams that would fly in at short notice. This sounded very exciting but, as one source close to the investigation told ES, it was also very expensive and ultimately unsuccessful. ‘The real job at hand was old-fashioned, tedious, forensic police work rather than these boy’s own, glory boy antic,’ he said.

But Kennedy was impressed by the license-to-spy presentation and H.E. and Halligen were hire for a fee of £100,000 per month plus expenses. Ostensibly, the contract was with Halligen’s UK security company, Red Defence International Ltd, and an office was set up in Jermyn Street, in St James’s. Only a tiny group of employees did the painstaking investigative work of dealing with thousands of emails and phone calls. Instead, resources were channelled into undercover operations in paedophile rings and among gypsies throughout Europe, encouraged by Kennedy. A five-man surveillance team was dispatched in Portugal, overseen by the experienced H.E., for six weeks.

Born in Belgium in 1951, H.E. had been a highly effective undercover officer for the Manchester police. A maverick and dynamic figure, he successfully infiltrated gangs of football hooligans in the 1980’s. While not popular among his colleagues, in 1991 he was seconded to work on MI5 undercover operations against drug dealers, gangsters and terrorists, and was later awarded the Queen’s Police Medal for ‘outstanding bravery’. By all accounts, the charismatic H.E. was a dedicated officer. But in November 2002, the stress appeared to have overcome his judgement when he was arrested for shoplifting.

While working on an MI5 surveillance, H.E. was caught leaving a tax-free shopping area at Manchester airport with a bottle of perfume he had not paid for. The police were called and he was given the option of the offence being dealt with under caution or to face prosecution. He chose a police caution and so in effect admitted his guilt. Exton was sacked, but was furious about the way he had been treated and threatened to sue MI5. He later set up his own consulting company and moved to Bury in Lancashire.

While H.E., however flawed, was the genuine article as an investigator, Halligen was a very different character. Born in Dublin in 1961, he has been described as a ‘Walter Mitty figure’. He used false names to collect prospective clients at airports in order to preserve secrecy, and he called himself ‘Kevin’ or ‘Richard’ or ‘Patrick’ at different times to describe himself to business contacts. There appears to be no reason for all this subterfuge except that he thought this was what agents did. A conspiracy theorist and lover of the secret world, he is obsessed by surveillance gadgets and even installed a covert camera to spy on his own employees. He claimed to have worked for GCHQ, but in fact he was employed by the Atomic Energy Authority (AEA) as head of defence systems in the rather less glamorous field of new information technology, researching the use of ‘special batteries’. He told former colleagues and potential girlfriends that he used to work for MI5, MI6 and the CIA. He also claimed that he was nearly kidnapped by the IRA, was involved in the first Gulf War and had been a freefall parachutist.

Very little of this is true. What is true is that Halligen has a degree in electronics, worked on the fringes of the intelligence community while at AEA and does understand government communications. He could also be an astonishingly persuasive, engaging and charming individual. Strikingly self-confident and articulate, he could be generous and clubbable. ‘He was very good company but only when it suited him’ says one friend. He kept people in compartments.’

After leaving the AEA, Halligen set up Red Defence International Ltd as an international security and political risk company, advising clients on the risks involved in investing and doing business in unstable, war-torn and corrupt countries. He worked closely with political risk companies and was a persuasive advocate of IT security. In 2006, he struck gold when hired by Trafigura, the Dutch commodities trading company. Executives were imprisoned in the Ivory Coast after toxic waste was dumped in landfills near its biggest city Abidjan. Trafigura was blamed and hired Red Defence International at vast expense to help with the negotiations to release its executives. A Falcon business jet was rented for several months during the operation and it was Halligen’s first taste of the good life. The case only ended when Trafigura paid $197 million to the government of the Ivory Coast to secure the release of the prisoners.

Halligen made a fortune from Trafigura and was suddenly flying everywhere first-class, staying at the Lansborough and Stafford hotels in London and The Willard hotel in Washington DC for months at a time. In 2007 he set up Oakley International Group and registered at the offices of the prestigious law firm Patton Boggs, in Washington DC, as an international security company. He was now strutting the stage as a self-proclaimed international spy expert and joined the Special Forces Club in Knightsbridge, where he met Exton.

During the Madeleine investigation, Halligen spent vast amounts of time in the HeyJo bar in the basement of the Abracadabra Club near his Jermyn Street office. Armed with a clutch of unregistered mobile phones and a Blackberry, the bar was in effect his office. ‘He was there virtually the whole day,’ a former colleague told ES. ‘He had an amazing tolerance for alcohol and a prodigious memory and so occasionally he would have amazing bursts of intelligence, lucidity and insights. They were very rare but they did happen.’

When not imbibing in St James’s, Halligen was in the United States, trying to drum up investors for Oakley International. On 15 August 2008, at the height of the McCann investigation crisis, he persuaded Andre Hollis, a former US Drug enforcement agency official, to write out an $80,000 cheque to Oakley in return for a ten per cent share-holding. The money was then transferred into the private accounts of Halligen and his girlfriend Shirin Trachiotis to finance a holiday in Italy, according to Hollis. In a $6 million lawsuit filed in Fairfax County, Virginia, Hollis alleges that Halligen ‘received monies for Oakley’s services rendered and deposited the same into his personal accounts’ and ‘repeatedly and systematically depleted funds from Oakley’s bank accounts for inappropriate personal expenses’.

Hollis was not the only victim. Mark Aspinall, a respected lawyer who worked closely with Halligen, invested £500,000 in Oakley and lost the lot. Earlier this year he filed a lawsuit in Washington DC against Halligen claiming $1.4 million in damages. The finances of Oakley International are in chaos and numerous employees, specialist consultants and contractors have not been paid. Some of them now face financial ruin.

Meanwhile, H.E. was running the surveillance teams in Portugal and often paying his operatives upfront, so would occasionally be out-of-pocket because Halligen had not transferred funds. H.E. genuinely believed that progress was being made and substantial and credible reports on child trafficking were submitted. But by mid-August 2008, Kennedy and Gerry McCann were increasingly concerned by an absence of details of how the money was being spent. At one meeting, Halligen was asked how many men constituted a surveillance team and he produced a piece of paper on which he wrote ‘between one and ten’. But he then refused to say how many were working and how much they were being paid.

While Kennedy and Gerry McCann accepted that the mission was extremely difficult and some secrecy was necessary, Halligen was charging very high rates and expenses. And eyebrows were raised when all the money was paid to Oakley International, solely owned and managed by Halligen. One invoice, seen by ES, shows that for ‘accrued expenses to May 5, 2008’ (just one month into the contract), Oakley charged $74,155. The ‘point of contact’ was Halligen who provided a UK mobile telephone number.

While Kennedy was ready to accept Halligen at face value, Gerry McCann – sharp, focused and intelligent – was more sceptical. The contract with Oakley International and Halligen was terminated by the end of September 2008, after £500,000-plus expenses had been spent.

For the McCanns it was a bitter experience, Exton has returned to Cheshire and, like so many people, is owed money by Halligen. As for Halligen, he has gone into hiding, leaving a trail of debt and numerous former business associates and creditors looking for him. He was last seen in January of this year in Rome, drinking and spending prodigiously at the Hilton Cavalieri and Excelsior hotels. He is now believed by private investigators, who have been searching for him to serve papers on behalf of creditors, to be in the UK and watching his back. Meanwhile, in the eye of the storm, the McCanns continue the search for their lost daughter.


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From this account, it is clear that Brian Kennedy’s son Patrick featured strongly in the intelligence operation his father managed, precisely as I alleged in my postings on 3Arguidos dated 18 and 22 July 2009. I cannot therefore withdraw my assertion that he was ‘intimately involved with the McCann investigation’, but I am content to give you an undertaking not to not to publish an allegation that he was ‘involved in a cover-up’, or any similar allegation, in any medium.

(4) “That I identified Patrick Kennedy in a post which is part of a thread [on 3Arguidos] which alleged that a particular individual was involved in the actual disappearance of Madeleine McCann”.

RESPONSE: I am aware of the existence of that thread and indeed other threads on 3Arguidos which alleged that either Brain Kennedy or a teenage son of his, or both, were in Praia das Luz at the same time as the McCanns. There has even been further speculation that one or the other (father or son) was in some way involved in the actual disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

However, you will not find on the now-defunct 3Arguidos site nor anywhere else where I have ever made that allegation myself. I have always viewed it as an unsubstantiated rumour and you will not be able to find anything in writing from me anywhere which suggests otherwise.

I do not have access to the posting I made on 3Arguidos in which I referred to Patrick Kennedy. However, I do have a clear recollection of it and I can be certain that what I said was in effect intended to contradict assertions that Patrick Kennedy was in Praia da Luz in April/May 2007. I recall specifically stating that his probable age was 20 to 30 and that therefore he could not be the ‘teenage son of Brian Kennedy’ whom others (but I emphasise not myself) were speculating was in Praia da Luz that week. I have no fear of your clients ‘referring to the totality of the discussion threads in question’ as I know that at no time have I ever suggested that either of your clients was in Praia da Luz that week.

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In addition to asking me to give undertakings, you have asked me to ‘use my best endeavours to remove the posting complained of from the 3Arguidos forum’. In your letter of 28 August, you noted correctly that “the 3Arguidos forum appears temporarily to have been suspended”. On 28 August, when you wrote to me, the site was not visible except for a holding page saying that the site was temporarily unavailable. Since then, however, the whole site has been removed from the internet and comments made by the owners and former Moderators of that forum strongly suggest that the 3Arguidos site will never return. There is no way that I nor others can access the threads on that site.

However, in line with your clients’ wishes, and in case the 3Arguidos site should ever be revived in some form, I have earlier this week written to the e-mail addresses I hold of the former owner and Moderators, asking them not to re-publish any allegedly defamatory postings I have made which refer to Brian Kennedy or Patrick Kennedy. I can produce copies of those e-mails on request.

Yours sincerely


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Post by Guest on 28.11.09 23:31

yeah right blah blah blah - what about the 500 pounds you paid to Kirwans after having promised your members you and Deborah would meet your own legal costs?

Apologies if you replied already and I missed it santa
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Post by Guest on 28.11.09 23:33

No Trunky he has not replied to that. Strange that. It's the Democracy forum all over again.
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Post by Guest on 29.11.09 8:36

just woke up to this...looked at mail, camnt find anything and looked here..anyone know whats this is about and maybe who it is?

28 November 2009 20:57
Anonymous said...
Good morning Sym, no none of the above. Nor was I Tinkerbell, Mark or any of the other Trolls that helped close the HYS. They did manage to get me banned in the end though.
I see there is still no response from Tony on the question I posted. I trusted Tony Sym and hope he has a good answer as to why he changed his mind about taking money when he said he would not. For me it is not the money but Tonys word that is important.
Someone has posted and tried to distract me on Jills blog under thread of 'Bennett outside of Carter Ruck' saying the money is trivial go look at the Daily Mail...you will see my answer. I am not lettting this go Sym.Have a nice Sunday.
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Post by Guest on 29.11.09 8:44

29 November 2009 08:37
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Hi Sym, yes have to walk the dog before breakfast...

Here are my posts and the reply.

HYS....Have Your Say...


Anonymous said...
No reply on the forum or here from Tony or Debbie. If this is true they have both been caught out. I ask again why did Debbie mention 500.00 pounds?

November 28, 2009 3:09 PM
stopbelievingthemccspr! said...
come on, such trivial sums of money are just a distraction. look at what the Mail has printed! http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1231757/Madeleine-McCann-investigator-didnt-listen-ANY-tip-offs-given-hotline--squandered-500-000.html

November 28, 2009 11:14 PM
Anonymous said...
The point seems to have gone above your head. The point being Tony Bennetts word..I have no interest in the amount of money involved. We have here what appears to be a direct lie from T.Bennett and Debbie. No money was to be taken from the fund and we see here that 500.00 was taken. It could have been 5 pence for all I am concerned. It seems you are trying to distract me .I am not interested in the Daily Mail I am interested in if this is true. Jolie is also waiting for an answer. I am sure Bomaris would also like to know.

November 29, 2009 7:07 AM
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I have now read the article and it is very obvious that these conmen are being used as an excuse for the Mccanns having used the money themselves.People were questioning the fund and the Mccanns want to put this one to bed and fast..We now have Metodo 3 and Halligen who have whittled away 100.000 of the Fund. Do you believe that because I do not. The Mccanns are con artists and this just goes to prove it.You really could not make it up could you.

However, I am still hoping today for an answer from Tony or Debbie, either will do.

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2009 08:41
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http://mccannexposure.wordpress.com/

I guess Sym I am sick of the lies which is why I stopped posting under my name. I was very foolish and gave a largish sum to the Mccann fund in the early days. I have also stopped posting on Joana Morais site because she held back the interview with SF where she was critical of PJ..Because of this small error on her part she has cast doubt over her motives. I understand that she is patriotic and is very angry how her country has been treated. I had intended to send 200.00 euro to help the cause of Amaral but have now changed my mind. I have not sent any money to Tony or bought any books. I just hoped that there was an honest person out there. Maybe Tony has a good answer and can put this to rights.

You may post this also if you wish.

Have a nice Sunday Sym. I will look in later and see how you are doing .

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Post by Mike on 29.11.09 9:32

sym wrote:2009 08:41
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http://mccannexposure.wordpress.com/

I guess Sym I am sick of the lies which is why I stopped posting under my name. I was very foolish and gave a largish sum to the Mccann fund in the early days. I have also stopped posting on Joana Morais site because she held back the interview with SF where she was critical of PJ..Because of this small error on her part she has cast doubt over her motives. I understand that she is patriotic and is very angry how her country has been treated. I had intended to send 200.00 euro to help the cause of Amaral but have now changed my mind. I have not sent any money to Tony or bought any books. I just hoped that there was an honest person out there. Maybe Tony has a good answer and can put this to rights.

You may post this also if you wish.


anon,dont forget that sf is giving her opinion the same as we are,and im sorry you have changed your mind about mr amaral,but you must do what you think best,the only lie,s that have been told about the case as far as i can see are the mccann supporters

anon,i understand where your coming from about the interveiw not being put up,but just remember sf gave her opinion
like the rest of us.you could always ask for the return of the money you gave to the mccann fund and state the reason why you would like the money refunded

Have a nice Sunday Sym. I will look in later and see how you are doing .

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Post by Guest on 29.11.09 9:38

Why have you just reposted what I have posted?Anyway she or he has just joined here as Rocky I am informed. so they can ask themselves and maybe get answers.
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Post by Mike on 29.11.09 9:41

sym wrote:Why have you just reposted what I have posted?Anyway she or he has just joined here as Rocky I am informed. so they can ask themselves and maybe get answers.

christ knows whats happening that twice i have tried to reply ,but its not coming up
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Post by ROCKY on 29.11.09 9:43

Good morning Sym, yes I am here now. Apologize for the cloak and dagger but I was trying to leave the forums behind me and this case. I then saw this and wanted to know if it is true or not. I am not interested in getting my money back from the Mccanns but I am interested if Tony went back on his word.
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Post by Guest on 29.11.09 9:47

Cool with me Rocky...I cant answer because i simply do not know but expect someone will.
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Post by ROCKY on 29.11.09 9:52

sym wrote:Location Host Name/Web Page/Referring Link
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This is not me and I am sure that Jill will confirm this as she now has my e.mail.. However, I hope she does not do so by placing my personal details for all to see.I am only here to see if Tony can clear this up and then I shall be on my merry way.
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Post by Guest on 29.11.09 9:58

Jill wouldnt expose someone like that thats the kind of Muratfan caper. :flower:
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Post by Guest on 29.11.09 10:09

Seems it is just you and I Rocky.. so heres a joke..
An organisation is like a tree full of monkeys, all on different limbs at different levels, some climbing up, some hanging around.
The monkeys on the top look down and see a tree full of smiling faces. The monkeys on the bottom look up and see nothing but arseholes.
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Post by ROCKY on 29.11.09 10:19

lol! lol!
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Post by Guest on 29.11.09 10:22

Got it sent to my mobile this morning..not looking good for you getting answers do far.
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Post by Tony Bennett on 29.11.09 10:36

@ROCKY wrote:Good morning Sym, yes I am here now. Apologize for the cloak and dagger but I was trying to leave the forums behind me and this case. I then saw this and wanted to know if it is true or not. I am not interested in getting my money back from the Mccanns but I am interested if Tony went back on his word.

ANSWER TO 'Anonymouis' and 'ROCKY' from Tony Bennett:

I have been publicly called a 'liar' because Debbie and I paid Kirwans from The Madeleine Foundation chequebook the sum of £500.00, which appeared to contradict this statement I made on 17 September 2009:

We should just like to add this. Any fees incurred for legal advice will be met personally by ourselves and the funds in The Madeleine Foundation’s bank account will not be used.

This joint statement by me and Debbie followed what appeared to have been her resignation from The Madeleine Foundation, announced on 15 September on the 'Missing Madeleine' Forum. That took a few e-mails and 'phone calls to sort out and at the time I thought it was a temporary 'blip'.

Prior to our meeting with Kirwans on 2 October 2009, Debbie Butler informed me that Kirwans were asking for an upfront 'on account' payment of £500.00. I recommended that we waited until we saw them on 2 October.

At that meeting with Kirwans, as I've stated elsewhere, they advised us in the strongest possible terms and repeatedly that we both faced the possibility of financial ruin.

They then said they would charge us £5,000 [yes, three noughts] plus VAT (£750.00) for settling the exact terms of the settlement with Carter-Ruck based on our accession to their demands.

Debbie and I conferred over lunch and Debbie and I both felt we could not afford that. Debbie then suggested that we simply give them the £500.00 upfront fee they had demanded, as a gesture of goodwill for help and advice received to date, and reject their offer. I agreed.

Neither of us had £500 cash on us so we both signed a Madeleine Foundation cheque for £500.

The payment of this £500 to Kirwans was discussed by members at our meeting on 3 October in Cardiff. All members present were insistent that it would be unreasonable for Debbie and I to meet that cost out of personal funds and agreed that it was a legitimate expense for The Madeleine Foundation. I reported to the meeting in detail about the legal advice that was given to us and members felt that the payment of £500.00 for four hours' worth of legal advice plus the advice and help given by Kirwans before the meeting was good value for money so far as the future activities of The Madeleine Foundation were concerned.

Subsequently all 37 members were informed by letter of the payment. Not one member has even raised a query about £500.00 of MF funds being used to pay Kirwans. And it is to our members that the Committee is answerable.
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Post by Guest on 29.11.09 10:37

All you had to do was ask..
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Post by Guest on 29.11.09 12:43

[quote="sym"]Jill wouldnt expose someone like that thats the kind of Muratfan caper. :flower:[/quote
But you just have done you idiot.
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Post by Guest on 29.11.09 12:44

[quote="murat_fan"]
sym wrote:Jill wouldnt expose someone like that thats the kind of Muratfan caper. :flower:[/quote
But you just have done you idiot.
I said Jill wouldnt you half witted evil idiot...me as of this mormning will fight fire with fire..
clarify the post aswell so people know whatw we are talking about.
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Post by Guest on 29.11.09 12:56

Get your spelling right first.
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Post by Guest on 29.11.09 13:19

murat_fan wrote:Get your spelling right first.
F*cked keyboard....like your head. :D
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Post by Guest on 29.11.09 13:20

Last resort when your usual tactics dont work turn in to the grammar monitor!!! Typical pro. :flower:
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Post by Guest on 29.11.09 13:25

Ha the chuckle Brothers have legged it back to base for further instructions on how to reply
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