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Post by PeterMac 15.01.12 13:42

Try this one
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parents_and_Abducted_Children_Together
No idea why, but it works
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Post by zora-ann 15.01.12 14:10

@PeterMac wrote:Indeed. I don't know of the source of that particular rumour, but good detectives, like good barristers, do not ask questions unless they already know the answer.
And add to that the otherwise extraordinary statement by Katey that Madeleine 'would be giving her 'abductor' her tuppenceworth', which is so unlikely and ludicrous in the case of a pred** paed***, but much more likely and possible in the case of a 'natural parent' with whom Madeleine had not previously lived.

Personally I do not yet go for this particular conspiracy theory, but I am having difficulty resolving this issue.

The only way this quote of Kate's - "Whoever Madeleine's with she'll be giving them her tuppence worth." - makes sense to me is if she's pondering which long passed relative may be caring for Madeleine in the afterlife. To suggest that she could defend herself in this manner against a paedo/predator is beyond ridiculous. Even if she were a feistly little thing, being torn from her family and possibly subjected to horrendous abuse would surely have changed her personality beyond recognition.
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Post by Pershing36 15.01.12 14:38

candyfloss wrote:
Jean wrote:Thanks for the information PeterMac on these two organisations, it's certainly strange that they became involved in a case which, with its theory of stranger abduction, does not come within their remit. I'm wondering if there is any relevance to the report that, at one time, there was talk of transferring the care of Madeleine to a relative.

I always thought that question 41 was a very strange thing to ask. What would prompt the PJ to ask such a question?

Question 41

41. Is it true that in England you even considered handing over Madeleine’s custody to a relative?


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1041635/The-48-questions-Kate-McCann-wouldnt-answer--did.html#ixzz1R1wkmcLk

Yes this always stood out in my mind. Surely they must have been working on some kind of intelligence, it is such a strange question to just randomly ask.

May be if it had been worded "Have you ever thought about giving your daughter up to the authorities or relative?", but being precise as to a close relative does make you wonder.

Could well even tie in the the CATS number.
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Post by tigger 15.01.12 15:26

Stella, you've converted me, I didn't like all those VIP's in PdL in your topic 'Was this the reason...' (a sticky now but it is hard to find).
But now I have a brand new firm of lawyers, magically known to the McCs within four months of them setting up IFLG.
It's getting more like a monopoly game than anything else. IFLG's blessing of their parenting was published far and wide. In fact, a greengrocer telling them the same thing would have had the same authority in law as IFLG imo.

And so I'm back to the quote below and the fact that:
Maddie looks right for 2006 in the poolside photo.
There is that pesky date of 2006 on the first website.
The sudden departure of a nr. of people from PdL on the 4th, suggests to me that the abduction was a surprise to those who departed so quickly.
So: did the McCs pull it off then and there, expecting plaudits and thanks? Getting the IFLG and PACT onside before the event? Or would IFLG not even have been set up?
Instead they seem to have set back the enterprise of microchipping the population by years. As they are hardly original thinkers, the outline in the report dating from 2006 below may have inspired the whole thing. unquote.

the link above refers to the article when published on the 10th dec. 2006. However, I expect the original report will be earlier.




http://steelmagnolia-steelmagnolia.blogspot.com/2011/06/amber-alert-gps-gerry-mccann.html
http://thedisclosureproject-steelmagnolia.blogspot.com/2011/06/agenda-microchip-one-generation-is-all.html


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Post by Guest 15.01.12 16:09

Seems the IFLG sent a solicitor Richard Jones to portugal for some reason,even though they dealt with family abduction not stranger abduction:

McCann family to launch fighting fund
By Nick Britten and Richard Edwards12:01AM BST 15 May 2007
A fighting fund will be launched by the McCann family and could be used to finance private detectives to join the hunt.
The family has instructed one of the country's leading legal specialists on child abduction to help them run the foundation, which is expected to be launched tomorrow.
Michael Nicholls QC was head of the Lord Chancellor's Child Abduction Unit for five years and is, among other things, a member of the Family Justice Council's International Family Law Committee.

Mr Nicholls was instructed by the McCanns' solicitors, The International Family Law Group, who have sent their solicitor Richard Jones to Portugal to be with them

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1551645/McCann-family-to-launch-fighting-fund.html

Looking at the archives for the IFLG website, Richard jones is on the first archived instance (21 June 2007) but is no longer there on the next archived instance (22 Aug 2007). Also seems he was a lawyer in leicester:


Richard Jones

Senior Family Law Executive
Richard Jones is a Senior Family Law Executive at iFLG, having come to London in May 2006 from a leading law firm in Leicester. For the past 15 years he has specialised in International Parental Child abduction cases both under the Hague Convention and with complex non-Hague cases where there are no international treaties.
http://web.archive.org/web/20070621094925/http://www.iflg.uk.com/en/who-we-are/
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Post by russiandoll 15.01.12 16:32

from Tigger : " But now I have a brand new firm of lawyers, magically known to the McCs within four months of them setting up IFLG"

Would this be the same bunch Desmond referred to at Leveson last week? He mentioned a change in the McCann's attitude towards the press 4 months after the event , when new lawyers came on board.

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Post by tigger 15.01.12 17:20

@russiandoll wrote:from Tigger : " But now I have a brand new firm of lawyers, magically known to the McCs within four months of them setting up IFLG"

Would this be the same bunch Desmond referred to at Leveson last week? He mentioned a change in the McCann's attitude towards the press 4 months after the event , when new lawyers came on board.

I don't know, I meant the max. of four months when the IFLG was set up in 2007, since they - according to their website started up in 2007, it seems nothing short of miraculous to me that the McCanns or one of their friends already knew about this brand-new outfit. Not only that, their first visit was on the 11th May when the McCanns were given virtual absolution re parenting responsibility.

I think Desmond is talking about September, when they had to return to the UK and must have gotten new lawyers then, was that CR?

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Post by tigger 15.01.12 17:28

Stewie wrote:Seems the IFLG sent a solicitor Richard Jones to portugal for some reason,even though they dealt with family abduction not stranger abduction:

McCann family to launch fighting fund
By Nick Britten and Richard Edwards12:01AM BST 15 May 2007
A fighting fund will be launched by the McCann family and could be used to finance private detectives to join the hunt.
The family has instructed one of the country's leading legal specialists on child abduction to help them run the foundation, which is expected to be launched tomorrow.
Michael Nicholls QC was head of the Lord Chancellor's Child Abduction Unit for five years and is, among other things, a member of the Family Justice Council's International Family Law Committee.

Mr Nicholls was instructed by the McCanns' solicitors, The International Family Law Group, who have sent their solicitor Richard Jones to Portugal to be with them

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1551645/McCann-family-to-launch-fighting-fund.html

Looking at the archives for the IFLG website, Richard jones is on the first archived instance (21 June 2007) but is no longer there on the next archived instance (22 Aug 2007). Also seems he was a lawyer in leicester:


Richard Jones

Senior Family Law Executive
Richard Jones is a Senior Family Law Executive at iFLG, having come to London in May 2006 from a leading law firm in Leicester. For the past 15 years he has specialised in International Parental Child abduction cases both under the Hague Convention and with complex non-Hague cases where there are no international treaties.
http://web.archive.org/web/20070621094925/http://www.iflg.uk.com/en/who-we-are/

O, B.H.! Stewie, now we are really coining it. Richard Jones, Leicester, abduction. I've felt all along that 2006 was a pivotal year and you've just proved it. These are in no way coincidences. So IFLG helped set up the 'fighting fund' , legalized their conduct and sent them a real live solicitor to hold their hands. And the IFLG was at most four months old. All we need now is an earlier link with Richard Jones and the McCanns, probably in Leicester?
And how and who contacted this group - surely, I saw that an International Family Law Committee also exists, wouldn't that have been enough to deal with the subject?
Looks as if IFLG was notified only marginally later than Sky news and the police.

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@tigger wrote:

O, B.H.! Stewie, now we are really coining it. Richard Jones, Leicester, abduction. I've felt all along that 2006 was a pivotal year and you've just proved it. These are in no way coincidences. So IFLG helped set up the 'fighting fund' , legalized their conduct and sent them a real live solicitor to hold their hands. And the IFLG was at most four months old. All we need now is an earlier link with Richard Jones and the McCanns, probably in Leicester?
And how and who contacted this group - surely, I saw that an International Family Law Committee also exists, wouldn't that have been enough to deal with the subject?
Looks as if IFLG was notified only marginally later than Sky news and the police.

As soon as I saw his name and Leicester I thought I bet he was the one to go over to PDL - then found the newspaper naming him as their lawyer...

The IFLG is even younger - it launched 31 March 2007... so 6 weeks or so old by the time of the events... and by 22 August Richard Jones is no longer with them... didn't stay very long...


The International Family Law Group launches at its premises in Covent Garden, London

The International Family Law Group (iFLG) launches at its premises in Covent Garden, London. We are a new specialist law firm providing services to the international community as well as for purely national clients. We have a special contract with the Legal Services Commission for child abduction work and are regularly instructed by the UK Government. We act for international families, ex pats and others in respect of financial implications of relationship breakdown including forum shopping and international enforcement of orders. We receive instructions from foreign lawyers and, as accredited specialists, act for clients of other law firms seeking their specialist experience.

See our attached media release and contact us for more details

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Post by Advocatus 15.01.12 18:19

@tigger wrote:I've lifted this from the topic by Getem: Ex-CEOP Chief Jim Gamble joins board of kids charity PACT
theolivebranch on Thu Jan 27, 2011 9:13 pm

Cherry wrote:
Patrons, Cherie Blair and Laura Bush

Hon. Chairs include Hilary Clinton, Henry Kissinger, Sir David Veness and actor Michael York.

also see

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parents_and_Abducted_Children_Together
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parents_and_Abducted_Children_Together[/quote[/url]] unquote.


The above link to wiki no longer works. Lady Meyer joined that january as well, so didn't stay long did she?
The website for Pact mentions Amber Alert, etc. Imo it's all one web, anybody who's likely to make lots of money out of devising a control over children such as microchipping?

What annoys me immensely is that a bunch of jumped up solicitors and doctors get together to organize 'child protection'.



The website for Pact mentions Amber Alert, etc. Imo it's all one web, anybody who's likely to make lots of money out of devising a control over children such as microchipping?


Precisely. The world population is 7+++ Billion, and growing... can you imagine the amount of money to be made by chipping 8b people, by having amber/red alert systems on gantries over all motorways etc (as they do in the USA), all the add-ons that would be needed?
Well the 'elite class' for want of a better term certainly do, and the MBM case is playing right into their hands, whether they had anything to do with it or not.

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Post by Advocatus 15.01.12 18:23

Stewie wrote:Seems the IFLG sent a solicitor Richard Jones to portugal for some reason,even though they dealt with family abduction not stranger abduction:

McCann family to launch fighting fund
By Nick Britten and Richard Edwards12:01AM BST 15 May 2007
A fighting fund will be launched by the McCann family and could be used to finance private detectives to join the hunt.
The family has instructed one of the country's leading legal specialists on child abduction to help them run the foundation, which is expected to be launched tomorrow.
Michael Nicholls QC was head of the Lord Chancellor's Child Abduction Unit for five years and is, among other things, a member of the Family Justice Council's International Family Law Committee.

Mr Nicholls was instructed by the McCanns' solicitors, The International Family Law Group, who have sent their solicitor Richard Jones to Portugal to be with them

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1551645/McCann-family-to-launch-fighting-fund.html

Looking at the archives for the IFLG website, Richard jones is on the first archived instance (21 June 2007) but is no longer there on the next archived instance (22 Aug 2007). Also seems he was a lawyer in leicester:


Richard Jones

Senior Family Law Executive
Richard Jones is a Senior Family Law Executive at iFLG, having come to London in May 2006 from a leading law firm in Leicester. For the past 15 years he has specialised in International Parental Child abduction cases both under the Hague Convention and with complex non-Hague cases where there are no international treaties.
http://web.archive.org/web/20070621094925/http://www.iflg.uk.com/en/who-we-are/


Nice find Stewie! having come to London in May 2006 from a leading law firm in ***Leicester.***

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Post by Advocatus 15.01.12 18:26

@tigger wrote:
Stewie wrote:Seems the IFLG sent a solicitor Richard Jones to portugal for some reason,even though they dealt with family abduction not stranger abduction:

McCann family to launch fighting fund
By Nick Britten and Richard Edwards12:01AM BST 15 May 2007
A fighting fund will be launched by the McCann family and could be used to finance private detectives to join the hunt.
The family has instructed one of the country's leading legal specialists on child abduction to help them run the foundation, which is expected to be launched tomorrow.
Michael Nicholls QC was head of the Lord Chancellor's Child Abduction Unit for five years and is, among other things, a member of the Family Justice Council's International Family Law Committee.

Mr Nicholls was instructed by the McCanns' solicitors, The International Family Law Group, who have sent their solicitor Richard Jones to Portugal to be with them

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1551645/McCann-family-to-launch-fighting-fund.html

Looking at the archives for the IFLG website, Richard jones is on the first archived instance (21 June 2007) but is no longer there on the next archived instance (22 Aug 2007). Also seems he was a lawyer in leicester:


Richard Jones

Senior Family Law Executive
Richard Jones is a Senior Family Law Executive at iFLG, having come to London in May 2006 from a leading law firm in Leicester. For the past 15 years he has specialised in International Parental Child abduction cases both under the Hague Convention and with complex non-Hague cases where there are no international treaties.
http://web.archive.org/web/20070621094925/http://www.iflg.uk.com/en/who-we-are/

O, B.H.! Stewie, now we are really coining it. Richard Jones, Leicester, abduction. I've felt all along that 2006 was a pivotal year and you've just proved it. These are in no way coincidences. So IFLG helped set up the 'fighting fund' , legalized their conduct and sent them a real live solicitor to hold their hands. And the IFLG was at most four months old. All we need now is an earlier link with Richard Jones and the McCanns, probably in Leicester?
And how and who contacted this group - surely, I saw that an International Family Law Committee also exists, wouldn't that have been enough to deal with the subject?
Looks as if IFLG was notified only marginally later than Sky news and the police.


All we need now is an earlier link with Richard Jones and the McCanns, probably in Leicester?
Check the Leicester Masonic Lodge members, I wonder if Jones is on the square, like almost everyone else in this case...

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Post by Advocatus 15.01.12 18:29

Stewie wrote:
@tigger wrote:

O, B.H.! Stewie, now we are really coining it. Richard Jones, Leicester, abduction. I've felt all along that 2006 was a pivotal year and you've just proved it. These are in no way coincidences. So IFLG helped set up the 'fighting fund' , legalized their conduct and sent them a real live solicitor to hold their hands. And the IFLG was at most four months old. All we need now is an earlier link with Richard Jones and the McCanns, probably in Leicester?
And how and who contacted this group - surely, I saw that an International Family Law Committee also exists, wouldn't that have been enough to deal with the subject?
Looks as if IFLG was notified only marginally later than Sky news and the police.

As soon as I saw his name and Leicester I thought I bet he was the one to go over to PDL - then found the newspaper naming him as their lawyer...

The IFLG is even younger - it launched 31 March 2007... so 6 weeks or so old by the time of the events... and by 22 August Richard Jones is no longer with them... didn't stay very long...


The International Family Law Group launches at its premises in Covent Garden, London

The International Family Law Group (iFLG) launches at its premises in Covent Garden, London. We are a new specialist law firm providing services to the international community as well as for purely national clients. We have a special contract with the Legal Services Commission for child abduction work and are regularly instructed by the UK Government. We act for international families, ex pats and others in respect of financial implications of relationship breakdown including forum shopping and international enforcement of orders. We receive instructions from foreign lawyers and, as accredited specialists, act for clients of other law firms seeking their specialist experience.

See our attached media release and contact us for more details

Posted on 31 March, 2007 by David Hodson


and by 22 August Richard Jones is no longer with them... didn't stay very long...
Is that a case of, 'mission accomplished'??? the appeal fund LIMITED board is also a bit of a merry go round, in fact lots of faces don't last too long, perhaps when they learn too much, or the penny drops - but like all the consular staff who didn't believe the TM story, all transferred to timbuktu...

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Post by Guest 15.01.12 19:27

He's now at Saunders law firm in london.... there is a cv but doesn't really go into detail about his prior work but does mention his work for the Mccann's..

http://www.saunders.co.uk/downloads/our-people/richard_jones-web-profile.pdf
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Post by tigger 15.01.12 19:37

The International Family Law Group (iFLG) launches at its premises in Covent Garden, London. We are a new specialist law firm providing services to the international community as well as for purely national clients. We have a special contract with the Legal Services Commission for child abduction work and are regularly instructed by the UK Government. We act for international families, ex pats and others in respect of financial implications of relationship breakdown including forum shopping and international enforcement of orders. We receive instructions from foreign lawyers and, as accredited specialists, act for clients of other law firms seeking their specialist experience.

This is their blurb starting off on the 31st March (one day later would have been more fitting) .
So if I got this right: we are a NEW etc. but we are already - five minutes into our enterprise - regularly instructed by the UK Government.

And what is 'forum shopping?' no idea.

Altogether a strong smell of sea bass - looking at Mr. Jones, he certainly looks like he's on the square.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forum_shopping

Did Kate say that the firm was recommended to her by a colleague of Gerry's? It could just be a case of a friend putting in a word to help out someone who was involved in a new business.
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Post by tigger 15.01.12 19:54

Jean wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forum_shopping

Did Kate say that the firm was recommended to her by a colleague of Gerry's? It could just be a case of a friend putting in a word to help out someone who was involved in a new business.

Interesting link, so I presume that the firm will do the forum shopping for you so your case will be heard by the court mostly likely to give you what you want.

Even if the firm was recommended to her by Gerry's colleague, it's too coincidental that they just got going six weeks earlier. They could also not be taking regular instruction from the UK government.

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Post by doug 17.01.12 14:25

@PeterMac wrote:Within a day or so of the 'event' the International Family Law Group (IFLG) were involved and had sent out a representative.
Subsequently the McCanns got into the organisation Parents and Abducted Children Together, (PACT)

Both agencies talks about 'abducted children', but not in the sense of abduction by stranger, pae****, or anyone other than the natural father/mother who happens to live somethere else and usually outside the jurisdiction of the British Courts.

IFLG
"We resolve the financial aspects of relationship breakdown for all families. This includes expertise in high net worth individuals with global and complex assets. We also look after the distinctive aspects of international families and expatriates, working closely with many lawyers abroad.

Our work includes international child abduction as well as all other national and international disputes involving children.

We provide a full range of alternative dispute resolution services including a specialist mediation service. This includes both high conflict situations involving cross-border issues with children and complex financial circumstances. Our mediators have a wide range of experience and knowledge in dealing with relationship breakdown which extends across international borders. They understand the difficulties faced by parents wishing to live in different countries and cover Hague and non-Hague child abduction, international contact and child relocation dispute."


PACT
"Parental child abduction across borders

As a pioneer in this field, PACT has played a significant role in raising awareness of international parental child abduction and how it affects children. We have, for example, lobbied the House of Commons, the US Congress and EU institutions. PACT has produced a documentary which has been distributed worldwide. Although we are not a helpline, our website offers advice on steps for parents to take if their child has been abducted to a Hague Convention country. "


Again, just to bash it home, the taking of a child by one parent from the custody of the other parent, so that the child can live as part of the first parent's family.
NOT the unlawful removal of a child by someone outside the family.

It was reported that Katey first said words along the lines "They've taken her".
Other members of the group were reported to have said words along the lines 'We knew something might happen, but not this.'
And for the first few days both Katey and Gerry used the expression "...when IT happened". Does this imply that there was previous knowledge of an outcome ?
Some of these statements have been edited or denied subsequently.
Both parents insist Madeleine is alive and well, unharmed, and at one point even insisted she was living with a couple.

Was this a strategy which went wrong, and was subsequently dropped, perhaps on legal advice, in favour of the predatory Pae****, who had been watching for some time, taking notes (!) and so on ?
The problem with the change is that the insisting on Madeleine's safety canot be transferred from the first scenario to the second.
IIRC the "We knew something might happen, but not this" refers to a comment made by one of the T7 after the neglectors were made aguidos.
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Post by jd 17.01.12 14:31

Maybe this is why the PJ ask Kate if she was wanting to put Madeleine into the care of relatives? and why Madeline was made a ward of court only weeks after her disappearance. A very strange thing to do and at a time when they were allegedly desperate to get her back, the McCanns literally 'gave her away!

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Post by tigger 17.01.12 16:58

This is a very old memory, but didn't the McCanns take a trip to Canada with the twins? Say October/November 2007. Also to visit the nanny they'd employed in Rothley.
I also seem to remember something about this being the last occasion for them to take (or to be allowed to) the twins out of the UK.
If the 'ward of court' registration is around the same time, it's beginning to look as if the social services did something useful. As far as I know, they've not been out of the country with the twins since.

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Post by Guest 01.05.12 22:20

Well what an incestuous world it is... Clarrie is now press officer for PACT

http://www.pact-online.org/News-and-Media/news-a-media-pact-parents-and-abducted-children-together-parental-abduction-missing-children-associate-of-icmec.html
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Post by tigger 27.06.12 8:02

Just reviving this after googling:

Practice Direction 12D –
Inherent Jurisdiction (Including Wardship) Proceedings
This Practice Direction supplements FPR Part 12, Chapter 5
The nature of inherent jurisdiction proceedings
1.1 It is the duty of the court under its inherent jurisdiction to ensure that a child who is the subject of proceedings is protected and properly taken care of. The court may in exercising its inherent jurisdiction make any order or determine any issue in respect of a child unless limited by case law or statute. Such proceedings should not be commenced unless it is clear that the issues concerning the child cannot be resolved under the Children Act 1989.
1.2 The court may under its inherent jurisdiction, in addition to all of the orders which can be made in family proceedings, make a wide range of injunctions for the child’s protection of which the following are the most common –
(a) orders to restrain publicity;
(b) orders to prevent an undesirable association;
(c) orders relating to medical treatment;
(d) orders to protect abducted children, or children where the case has another substantial foreign element; and
(e) orders for the return of children to and from another state.
1.3 The court’s wardship jurisdiction is part of and not separate from the court’s inherent
jurisdiction. The distinguishing characteristics of wardship are that –
(a) custody of a child who is a ward is vested in the court; and
(b) although day to day care and control of the ward is given to an individual or to a local authority, no important step can be taken in the child’s life without the court’s consent.

And from the 'reunite' brochure of the Government:

WHAT CAN I DO IF I AM WORRIED THAT MY CHILD MIGHT BE ABDUCTED OVERSEAS?
• If you are not sure about your legal position in relation to your child, consider instructing a suitably qualified family lawyer immediately. You may need to get a residence (custody) or preventative court order to stop your child being taken out of the country. In England, Wales and Northern Ireland, you may need to apply to have your child made a ward of court, through which the court becomes a legal guardian of the child and can exercise its powers to back up its decisions on what is in that child’s best interests. unquote

Was this an ill-advised move? Because the IFLG would most likely have advised this - however the parameters are not at all relevant to a case of criminal abduction. Well - lawyers and doctors have failed to impress me. A really good one in either profession is hard to find.

The two bolded lines are interesting imo. Especially the order re medical treatment. Might that also include refusing to hand over medical records?

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Post by PeterMac 28.06.12 15:39

It does work, but it has got cluttered with lots of [ ] urls and things

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parents_and_Abducted_Children_Together
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Post by tigger 28.06.12 17:32

@PeterMac wrote:It does work, but it has got cluttered with lots of [ ] urls and things

copy and paste

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parents_and_Abducted_Children_Together

nr.25: ^ "Charity Salary"[dead link]
Interesting - both Lady Meyer and Cherie Booth paid themselves fairly large amounts for all the exhausting and groundbreaking work they must surely have done....

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Post by j.rob 27.01.15 13:17

@doug wrote:
@PeterMac wrote:Within a day or so of the 'event' the International Family Law Group (IFLG) were involved and had sent out a representative.
Subsequently the McCanns got into the organisation Parents and Abducted Children Together, (PACT)

Both agencies talks about 'abducted children', but not in the sense of abduction by stranger, pae****, or anyone other than the natural father/mother who happens to live somethere else and usually outside the jurisdiction of the British Courts.

IFLG
"We resolve the financial aspects of relationship breakdown for all families. This includes expertise in high net worth individuals with global and complex assets. We also look after the distinctive aspects of international families and expatriates, working closely with many lawyers abroad.

Our work includes international child abduction as well as all other national and international disputes involving children.

We provide a full range of alternative dispute resolution services including a specialist mediation service. This includes both high conflict situations involving cross-border issues with children and complex financial circumstances. Our mediators have a wide range of experience and knowledge in dealing with relationship breakdown which extends across international borders. They understand the difficulties faced by parents wishing to live in different countries and cover Hague and non-Hague child abduction, international contact and child relocation dispute."


PACT
"Parental child abduction across borders

As a pioneer in this field, PACT has played a significant role in raising awareness of international parental child abduction and how it affects children.  We have, for example, lobbied the House of Commons, the US Congress and EU institutions.  PACT has produced a documentary  which has been distributed worldwide. Although we are not a helpline, our website offers advice on steps for parents to take if their child has been abducted to a Hague Convention country. "


Again, just to bash it home, the taking of a child by one parent from the custody of the other parent, so that the child can live as part of the first parent's family.  
NOT the unlawful removal of a child by someone outside the family.

It was reported that Katey first said words along the lines "They've taken her".
Other members of the group were reported to have said words along the lines 'We knew something might happen, but not this.'
And for the first few days both Katey and Gerry used the expression "...when IT happened".    Does this imply that there was previous knowledge of an outcome ?
Some of these statements have been edited or denied subsequently.
Both parents insist Madeleine is alive and well, unharmed, and at one point even insisted she was living with a couple.

Was this a strategy which went wrong, and was subsequently dropped, perhaps on legal advice, in favour of the predatory Pae****, who had been watching for some time, taking notes (!) and so on ?
The problem with the change is that the insisting on Madeleine's safety canot be transferred from the first scenario to the second.
IIRC the "We knew something might happen, but not this" refers to a comment made by one of the T7 after the neglectors were made aguidos.
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Yes. I think there was a pre-arranged plan for a faked live child abduction to occur that week. Designed to make parents paranoid about stranger abduction. Probably introduce the concept of microchipping and increased state surveillance generally.

But something went wrong during that week, imo. Which is the 'disaster' that Gerry spoke of and the 'world's biggest c***-up' that Murat spoke of (or words to that effect).

Hence TM's absurd 'time-line' and the unjemmied shutters and their inconsistent police statements. 

The Mcs and their friends messed up the script, imo. They tried astonishingly hard to bail themselves out but I do believe that they might almost be at the stage where they are desperately rearranging the deck-chairs on the Titanic.

One can but hope.
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