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Post by Miraflores 23.06.11 10:03

No matter what you dream up the Mccanns did not do anything to THEIR daughter.

I have to disagree - if what they say is to be believed then they neglected her at the very least. Just supposing Madeleine were to be found alive and returned to her family - I would love to hear the Drs McCann answer to her questions 'Why did you leave me along and put me through [however many] years of misery? Was dining out with your friends really more important than my welfare?'

If they really didn't do anything then why did they need to phone their families immediately to get a story about jemmied shutters put about? This was soon proved to be false although the Drs McCann are now trying to say that they never said this.

Whatever they did or did not do to Madeleine, they are certainly incapable of telling a straight story.
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Post by Guest 23.06.11 10:10

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May 3rd - Last one out AM, first one in PM

Above is the real Russell O'Brien signature that was written in the presence of the PJ.

The R's are nothing alike.

What is on the sheets are initials and would not be like his signature as seen in full. But even so, the R should be similar, but it's not.
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O'Briens from the 1st of May. Again the R is completely different to the PJ version.
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Post by ROSA 23.06.11 10:55

Sat. 28.04.2007
Arrival O.C. 15:00
Apartment 5A
Pool
Swim with M
Meeting with M.W. officials and have a drink
Rest. Millennium with kids (only night) (Note: 'Rest.' = Restaurant)
Return walk - difficult for kids
Bed Bath →
Bed early

Sun 29.04.2007
Breakfast Millennium Restaurant
? pruning of hedge
Morning Kids Club
10:00 morning talking over coffee, I went along to tennis
Lunch sandwiches →
→ F balcony and Dave
Kids Club afternoon
Seated in deck-chairs F A A
K and G run - Beach 16:00
High tea
Recreational area
Rest.: No Matt

Monday 30.04.2007
Breakfast apartment? apartment cleaning
Kids clubs:
Tennis 09.15-10.15 K
G 10.15-11.15
*? washing machine / blinds
Lunch - our apartment then → balcony F and Dave
Kids club?? beach
+ / - 16.00 K run 25 min.
16:30 Tennis lessons
High tea
18:30? tennis night for women
Recreational area
Afternoon: K and J Supermarket
Rest. - everyone

Tuesday 01.05.2007 (holiday)
Breakfast apartment
Kids club - mini-tennis ↓
09.15-10.15 K ↓
G 10.15-11.15 ↓
Madeleine and Ella
* Get camera
Lunch → apartment
RAIN
Kids club beach, sunglasses
Ice cream
13:30 → 15:00 ish
Kids club? 15.15
? time not so good
? G tennis lessons - ok
High tea 16:30
? recreational area
Restaurant? object tennis
No Russell, Evie felt ill
(5D) Russ remained in apartment
Food was brought up

Wednesday - 02.05.2007
Breakfast apartment? apartment cleaning
RAIN
Kids club
Tennis → postponed wet courts
→ Millennium K and G - meet F, D and D
+ / - 11.30 Kate run with Matt
+ / - 40 min.
Get kids
Lunch - apartment, recreational area
Kids club
G Tennis 14.30-15.30
K 15.30-16.30 tennis? tennis lesson
? G Tennis lessons 16:30
Launching speed
? object tennis

High tea → recreational area

Rest. - No Rachael (5B)
Apartment next door
- Slightly later bedtime? 24.00
→ to bar after dinner

Thursday 03.05.2007 - The day of the disappearance
Breakfast - Apartment
Comment Madeleine "Where were you (was I) when me and S cried?"
Kids club, time - check registration
09.00-09.30 → 12:30
Sailing (beach)
Wash M top of pyjamas - big stain
Lunch? apartment? tea
Tennis lesson 09.15-10.15
conversation on the grass w / Russell and Nigel (the video camera)
[?] Minutes of tennis
K
? get Madeleine
J and Fiona (Scarlett)
Then pick up S and A
(? Meeting there with G)
Breakfast - apartment -? balcony
? recreational area - ok
Afternoon / Kids club - a bit later
K Ella already there
Swimming - indoors pool
K and G - practice tennis then lesson and coach Dan
15.30 - 16.30
Julian appeared - continued to play with Gerry
I went to run → beach
(rest of the group on the beach)
Gerry went to meet the kids for high tea at Tapas. I joined them after running.
+ / - 17.20-17.30
[Strikethrough text illegible]
M very tired and quiet
Since Ella was taken from the KC → beach. I was a little worried that she was sad to have been alone. (Not realised that the group had gone to the beach.)
She said she was fine.
She asked me to pick her up and said she was tired.
I picked her up and carried her to the apartment with G and S and A
Prepared bath as kids tired and men's tennis night at 18.00.
I considered returning to the recreation area with the kids but decided to stay in the apartment after bath and hair wash.

G men's tennis night
B pyjamas
Biscuits and milk for the kids - left them with this and books and games and went to take a quick bath / wash my hair.
I got out of the bath and David was knocking on the patio doors.
I wrapped myself in a towel and went into the living room.
He asked if we wanted to go to the recreational area, since he could help me take the kids.
Refused - since kids ready for bed.
I dressed myself.
Ate some snacks with the kids
M tired - sitting on my lap - read story of MOG
Brush teeth
To bedroom with kids
G there too - I think.
[Children's music] - M telling story
M removes and lowers head on pillow

S + A good-night kisses for M
From S and A → cots x2
K gave a good-night kiss to M
Leaned the door as much as possible without closing it.
Silence
? dry hair
Make-up
Glass of wine
20:35 → rest. First to arrive
21:00 → G, Conversation with Steve
21:30 → Matt, Carolyn (Note: Carolyn is a witness who says she heard someone calling Madeleine's name, around 21:30, as she walked back to her apartment)
22:00 → Myself, 20:40 Jane next
20:45 Matt and Rachael
Russell?
Detained
Evie feeling sick
R went for a long time
Jane replaced him

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Post by Guest 23.06.11 11:23

ROSA wrote:
Tuesday 01.05.2007 (holiday)
Breakfast apartment
Kids club - mini-tennis ↓
09.15-10.15 K ↓
G 10.15-11.15 ↓
Madeleine and Ella
* Get camera
Lunch → apartment
RAIN
Kids club beach, sunglasses
Ice cream
13:30 → 15:00 ish
Kids club? 15.15
? time not so good
? G tennis lessons - ok
High tea 16:30
? recreational area
Restaurant? object tennis
No Russell, Evie felt ill
(5D) Russ remained in apartment
Food was brought up

If Russell's child was ill, it would appear that she got sick sometime after leaving creche/high tea that day on the 1st May, but must have been OK up until 17.30 when she was signed out.

Is this the same child who was being sick on the 3rd?

Where has this come from ROSA ?
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Post by Guest 23.06.11 11:36

Ah, from HiDeHo, thank you ROSA.

I didn't realise that the O'Brien child was sick on the 1st and again on the 3rd and they still allegedly left her on her own !!

Not that I believe any of them were really left alone.

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Post by ROSA 23.06.11 11:38

Gerry went to meet the kids for high tea at Tapas. I joined them after running.
+ / - 17.20-17.30
[Strikethrough text illegible]
What does this mean Stella? and it was 10 mins only

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For Paulo Sargento, the thesis that Gonçalo Amaral revealed at first hand to "SP" that the blanket could have been used in a funeral ceremony at the Luz chapel "is very interesting".
 
And he adds: "In reality, when the McCanns went to Oprah's Show, the blanket was mentioned. At a given moment, when Oprah tells Kate that she heard her mention a blanket several times, Kate argued that a mother who misses a child always wants to know if she is comfortable, if she is warm, and added, referring to Maddie, that sometimes she asked herself if the person who had taken her would cover her up with her little blanket (but the blanket was on the bed after Maddie, supposedly, disappeared!!!).
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Post by ROSA 23.06.11 12:05

Statements of Jeremy Wilkins
Info on Sun Feb 28, 2010 3:02 pm

Volume II Pages 494 to 505

May, 7th 2007
Jeremy Wilkins deposition

I am the above named person and at an address known by the Police. This statement describes my holiday at the Algarve and the conversation with Jerry, the father of Madeleine on the evening of her disappearance.

On Saturday , 28th April, 2007, we arrived at the Ocean Club resort, Garden Apartments, Praia da Luz, Algarve. I was with my wife Bridget O’Donnell, my daughter Orly, who is three (3) and Arlo, my son who is eight (8) months. We were placed into the apartment within block G4, apartment JMO on letter O. There are about 15 to 20 apartments within each block. The McCann family was within the next block. On Monday 30th, April, 2007 I joined the tennis lessons provided by Mark Warner, the tour operator. There were five pairs. There were 3 females and a male, I found to be Jerry.

He was white of pale complexion, about 5’10’’ to 6’ 00’’ with a soft Glasgwian accent. He has dark hair which was short. He was of athletic build.

As part of the lesson we were paired off together. We engaged on general conversation, mainly about tennis, and football. I got the impression that he was good company, gregarious and chatty. The tennis lessons longed about an hour. We were signed for four (4) lessons in total. I can’t recall if I saw Jerry again that day.

On Tuesday, 1st May, 2007 we again had a tennis lesson together. After the lessons, this time we had a game of doubles together with two friends of his! At this point I established that Jerry and his family had come along with a group of other families, four (4) in totals. The game longed about one hour and a quarter.

After the game we walked together with a third male called Russell or Matt, to pick the children up from the Mini-Club. This is a Creche provided by the holiday company.

We would take them there at 9 am (?!) every day, until 12:30pm. I realized that Jerry had three (3) children). A girl called Madeleine and 2 twins who were about two years of age. Madeleine was about three (3). This club would take threes (3) to five (5) years old. The Club was split into two (2) groups: the Sharks and the Lobsters. My son was in the Sharks group. I believe that Madeleine was in the Lobsters. I don’t believe that I saw the family again that day.

On Wednesday, 2nd May, I could see it was raining and the tennis lesson was postponed. It was re-scheduled for 2:30 pm. I found this out at a later date and missed the lesson. I arrived about five (5) minutes before the end and realized this fact. I saw the usual people at the tennis lesson. I then went back to my apartment.

That evening myself and my partner attended the “Tapas” restaurant which is part of the hotel complex at the swimming pool. We sat down to eat at 7:30 pm. After about forty five (45) minutes Jerry appeared as did one of his friends. I believe it was Russell. They sat at the next table. We naturally engaged in conversation about everyday things. We spoke about childcare. That night my family were using the creche’s facility. We found out that the group of families were occupying ground floor flats near the swimming pool and they were leaving the children by themselves in order for them to go to the restaurant in the evenings. They would then go regularly to check the children who would be asleep.

I found out that Jerry was a cardiologist in a Hospital. At this time his wife was putting the children to bed. We received a call from the crèche informing that our son was awake. My partner left first and I followed shortly afterwards. The amount of time I spent with Jerry was about fifteen (15) to twenty (20) minutes we remained in the restaurant. By the time we left, Jerry was with about seven other people. I picked up my daughter from the crèche and then returned to the apartment.

On Thursday, 3rd May 2007, at 10 am I went to tennis lesson as usual and Jerry was there and a female. The other two females were not present. We again engaged in general conversation and played (?!) the lesson for an hour.

I went to the pool where Bridget was. I think Jerry’s wife, Kate was already there speaking to the tennis coach. They got really involved in a conversation XXX Jerry would say a joke (?!!!!, unreadible) and go ...

At 12:30 pm we went fetch the little boy from the crèche as usual. Everyone left the pool at about the same time. I didn’t see Jerry or Kate.

We returned to our apartment. We decided to spend the evening in, watching television. Our son was awake and unable to sleep. I decided to take him for a walk in his pram. I left about 8:15 to 8:30 pm. I was pushing the pram around the complex and went to the toilet near the bar. I could not see inside the restaurant. As I got the baby to sleep, I was on my way back to the apartment. I came out at the top road.

I met him near the stairs of a ground floor. There was a gate leading up to some stairs. I was pretty certain that he had left the apartment. We spoke for a few minutes. He said you’re on walking duty. I said I was staying in and pros and cons and what to do with the children.

He said that as he was staying two weeks XXXXX he was staying one night… (unreadable)
I don’t remember anyone else walking around with a child. The conversation lasted for about three (3) to five (5) minutes.

He was acting completely normal from what I know of him so far. I then walked back to the apartment. I had dinner, watched a DVD and went to bed at about 11 pm.

The doorbell woke us up at about 1 am. It was the resort manager who I learnt to be John and one of Jerry’s friends. I think his name was Matt. He is white, slim, and tall with graying hair. From previous conversations I learnt him to be a diabetics specialist. We met him o the way to the destination. Matt said XXXXX to the effect that Jerry’s daughter had been abducted, and that Jerry said that he had met me and wanted to know if I had seen anything. I said “You’re joking”. I offered help but they said there was nothing that could be done at that stage. We remained at the apartment but could see people around the pool and at the front with torches. I also saw the police arriving. We then went to bed.

The following day there was a somber atmosphere around the complex.I last saw Jerry and Kate on Saturday, 5th May 2007 about 4 pm or 5 pm.We were sitting by the pool. I walked over to Jerry and wanted to let him know that I was thinking about him. I shook his hand. He was quiet but wasn’t crying. I thought it was brave of him and his wife to go t the pool. I said hello to Kate, I didn’t know what to say in that situation. She looked really upset. That was the last time I physically saw Jerry and Kate. Myself and my family left the complex at 7:30 pm and flew back to Gatwick that evening, arriving at 5 pm (NOTE: this doesn’t make sense, it’s conflicting).

I have drawn a map of the complex and marked an X where I saw Jerry on Thursday evening – JW 1. I have also produced a map, from the holiday brochure also with an X where I saw Jerry on Thursday – JW 2.»
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Post by Guest 23.06.11 12:15

ROSA wrote:Gerry went to meet the kids for high tea at Tapas. I joined them after running.
+ / - 17.20-17.30
[Strikethrough text illegible]
What does this mean Stella? and it was 10 mins only

What that means ROSA is that he was there between 17.20 and 17.30. +/- means give or take something.
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Post by Guest 23.06.11 12:25

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Why did Robert Naylor enter his own name instead of his child's name?

In total, he did this 3 out of 5 days.

Also, the real Robert Naylor was in apartment BP01 not B1.
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Post by Guest 23.06.11 12:36

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Look at the Y in Naylor on both entries.

The top one was done supposedly by Robert Naylor, who also on that day forgot his childs name and had to cross it out.

The bottom one was done supposedly by his wife.

Yet they both have a very distinctive letter Y and the R is similar also.
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Post by ROSA 23.06.11 12:42

Title: Children at the Creche 

SUNDAY APRIL 29
Jessica Berry 9.10
Elizabeth Naylor 9.10
Alexander Mann 9.15 pool
William Totman 9.15
Madeleine McCann 9.45KM 12.15 GM

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Jessica Berry2 .30
Elizabeth Naylor 2.40
Madeleine McCann 2.45 GM 5.30 GM
Ella O'Brien 2.45 - 3.00(30?)
Alexander Mann 3.00-5.30 pool

JELLYFISH April 29

AM?


Amelie 2.25 km 5.30 GM
Sean 2.25 KM 5.30 GM
Lilyxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Otis





MONDAY April 30th
Jessica Berry
William
Ella O'Brien 9.15 ROB 12.35
Robert Naylor
Madeleine McCann 9.30 GM 12.10 GM
Alexander Mann

Tia Patel
William
Madeleine McCann 3.15 KM 3.30 KM
Ella O'Brien 4.00 ROB ..........XXXXXX
Alexander Mann

STARFISH April 30th
Sean 9.20 - 12.15 GM
Amelie 9.20 12.15GM
Lily 9.? 12.45 ?


Sean 3.25... question time question sig
Amelie 3.25 question time question sig
Lilyxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

MAY 1st Tuesday
Jessica Berry
Ella O'Brien 9.00-----------------xxxxxx
Elizabeth Naylor
William Totman
Alexander Mann
Madeleine McCann 9.30 GM Tennis 12.20 GM

Madeleine McCann 2.30 GM ---------- xxxxx
Jessica Berry
Tia Patel
Ella O'Brien 2.30 CAT 5.30 ROB
William Totman
Elizabeth Naylor
Richard Mann

JELLYFISH Toddler 2 May 1 TUESDAY

Amelie 9.20GM 12.20 KM
Sean 9.20GM 12.20 KM
Lily 9.? ? 12.20 ?

Amelie 2.30 KM 5.20 KM
Sean 2.30 KM 5.20 KM
Lily xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx





MAY 2nd Wednesday
Jessica Berry
Ella O'Brien 9.30 ROB 12.30 ROB
Elizabeth Naylor
Madeleine McCann 9.?(30)GM 1230 CAT
Alexander Mann
William Totman
Tia Patel


Jessica Berry
Ella O'Brien 2.30 ROB 5.30 ROB
Madeleine McCann 2.45 KM 5.30 KHealy
Alexander


JELLYFISH May 2 Wednesday
Amelie 9.10 GM 12 25KM
Sean 9.10 GM 12 25KM
Lily ???? - 12.25 ?


Amelie 2.40KM 5.20 GM
Sean 2.40KM 5.20 GM
Lilyxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx


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May 3rd Thursday
Jessica Berry
Madeleine McCann 9.10 GM 12.25KM
Elizabeth Naylor
William... Totman
R Mann
Ella O'Brien 9.50 ROB 12.30 ROB



Ella O'Brien 2.30 ROB 4.30 CAT
Alexander Mann
Madeleine McCann 2.50 KM 5.30 KM
William Totman


JELLYFISH May 3 Thursday

AM ?

Amelie 2.45 KM 5.25 KM
Sean 2.45KM 5.25 KM
Lily xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx


May 4th FRIDAY
Ameie 10.10 DW 12 20 DW
Sean 10.10 DW 12 20 DW
Lily 10.10 DW 12 20 DW

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Post by Guest 23.06.11 12:45

AM2930123
inoutinoutinoutinoutinout
Berry9.1012.009.0012.009.0012.009.3012.309.0012.15
Naylor9.1012.309.2512.309.1012.309.2012.309.10
Mann9.1512.309.3012.309.2512.209.4512.309.2512.30
Totman9.1512.309.0012.259.2012.259.4512.209.2512.20
McCann9.4512.159.3012.109.3012.209.2012.309.1012.25
O'Brien 9.1512.359.00 9.3012.309.5012.30
Patel 9.4512.30
PM2930123
inoutinoutinoutinoutinout
Berry2.305.20 2.305.302.304.30
Naylor2.405.20 2.304.00
Mann3.005.304.30?2.505.302.455.302.305.30
Totman 2.15?2.405.30 3.305.15
McCann2.455.303.153.302.30 2.455.302.505.30
O'Brien2.453.304.00 2.305.302.305.302.304.30
Patel 2.30 2.305.30
did not attend that session
not signed out that session or writing to feint
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Post by ROSA 23.06.11 12:54

MONDAY April 30th
Jessica Berry
William
Ella O'Brien 9.15 ROB 12.35
Robert Naylor
Madeleine McCann 9.30 GM 12.10 GM
Alexander Mann
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Post by Guest 23.06.11 12:56

That's when someone was entering Robert by mistake, instead of Elizabeth.
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This is April 30th.

Look at the L in Naylor and compare it with the L in Madeleine. Do you think it is similar with it's little curly lift ?
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Post by ROSA 23.06.11 13:26

Yes and the A
NAY AND MAD
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Post by Guest 23.06.11 13:28

Did you know, out of all of the children in Madeleine's group, the only time when all of them were all there together, was in the morning on the 2nd May.

I wonder what was happening with all of the adults at that time ?
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Post by Guest 23.06.11 13:29

ROSA wrote:Yes and the A
NAY AND MAD

Well spotted ROSA.

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Post by Guest 23.06.11 13:32

If you look for Kikoratton on Twitter, note the 2 T's in ratton,

see post on the 2nd June.

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Post by Guest 23.06.11 13:48

Do you know the story of the Prince and the Pauper ?

But in this case it may have been a Princess ?

I will set down a tale

It may be history, it may be only legend,

A tradition.

It may have happened, it may not have happenend.

But it could have happened.....

Mark Twain....
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Post by ROSA 23.06.11 13:52

This means Madeleine never went to kids club on 28th she died i agree with him and you Stella
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Post by Guest 23.06.11 14:02

On that Saturday, the day they arrived, there was no kids club. It started on the 29th.
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Post by ROSA 23.06.11 14:14

Because if she died on the 28th or early hours 29th and i beleive this is more a real date of her death and the creche records if it proves this it is game over for the mccanns fullstop
M dies on 28th and they have to fake it and sign her in with helpers was naylor a helper
the kids club can only know the fake child who was signed in as madeleine
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