What was so special about Burgau?

From the forensic report in the files:

- The Haplotype identified by the letter S, present in 2 samples, (apartment in Burgau), and identical to that of Jane Michelle Tanner (JT), meaning those samples were from that person or individuals of the same maternal bloodline.

I think the official report clearly states there is a possibility that the hairs may have belonged to Jane Tanner.

It seems I may have been unintentionally misleading in my earlier post. Genuine apologies. Don't believe everything a neurologist told you 18 years ago, or if you do, make sure you have the entire story. Perhaps I did back then. Anyway, I didn't mean to mislead, will be more careful in future.

Admin, might be best to whoosh that earlier post of mine, page 18. Sorry about that....

@monkey mind wrote:It seems I may have been unintentionally misleading in my earlier post. Genuine apologies. Don't believe everything a neurologist told you 18 years ago, or if you do, make sure you have the entire story. Perhaps I did back then. Anyway, I didn't mean to mislead, will be more careful in future.

Admin, might be best to whoosh that earlier post of mine, page 18. Sorry about that....

I cannot see a problem with that post monkey mind, after all, it is just your interpretation.

Thanks for the tip on the web archiving tool Bristow.. it's revealed some interesting finds...

I put the http://www.jacinto-murat.pt/ url into the archiving tool and found some interesting keywords.. including the reference to boys and girls that was mentioned in previous posts.

The first archive for the landing page is 22 Jan 1998 and nothing particularly interesting in the keywords..
Next archive is 1 Dec 1998 and some interesting keywords have appeared:

"-- META TOP --META NAME="AUTHOR" CONTENT="Jacinto & Murat, Lda"META NAME="DESCRIPTION" CONTENT="holiday appartments in Algarve Portugal Europe"META NAME="KEYWORDS" CONTENT="Arquitectura, Architecture, Portugal, tourism, Turismo, Vacances,holiday, férias, resort, apartamentos, Algarve, beach, praias, praia, plage, Travel, water sports,Lagos, heaven, Architectural, projects, sexo, sex, adulto, adult, equestrian, riding, love, romance, lonely, girls"

FILE ARCHIVED ON 5:41:42 Dec 1, 1998 AND RETRIEVED FROM THE
INTERNET ARCHIVE ON 21:05:56 Jan 4, 2012.

I haven't looked at all the intervening archives, but looking at the one for 6 Feb 2007 the keywords are still the same but at some point "boys" was added to the keywords:

META NAME="AUTHOR" CONTENT="Jacinto & Murat, Lda"
META NAME="DESCRIPTION" CONTENT="holiday appartments in Algarve Portugal, Europe, Best Fares Discount Travel"
META NAME="KEYWORDS" CONTENT="Lagos, Portugal, Europe, euro, algarve, madrid, spain, tourism, Turismo, Vacances,holiday, férias, resort, apartamentos, Algarve, beach, praias, praia, plage, Arquitectura, Architecture, Travel, water sports,Lagos, heaven, Architectural, projects, sexo, sex, adulto, adult, equestrian, riding, love, romance, lonely, girls, boys"

FILE ARCHIVED ON 12:48:55 Feb 6, 2007 AND RETRIEVED FROM THE
INTERNET ARCHIVE ON 20:41:00 Jan 4, 2012.


The keywords are still the same as above on 13 jan 2010
Then by the time of the last archive on 2 april 2010 the keywords have changed to what we see today. with all the questionable words removed.... ...

Someone mentioned that the keywords had been noticed before on the 3 Arguidos forum? Wonder if that was in 2010 and the keywords were then changed .

META NAME="AUTHOR" CONTENT="Jacinto & Murat, Lda Holiday apartments"
META NAME="DESCRIPTION" CONTENT="Holiday, Portugal, lagos holiday, apartments, apartamentos, apartamento ferias,
férias, lagos, Algarve Portugal, Europa, estadia, estadias"
META NAME="KEYWORDS" CONTENT="Lagos Portugal, holiday Lagos, algarve apartments, apartment, ferias lagos, Algarve Portugal Europa,
Holiday, Portugal, lagos holiday, apartments, apartamentos, apartamento ferias, férias, lagos, Algarve Portugal,estadia, estadias"


FILE ARCHIVED ON 10:53:18 Apr 2, 2010 AND RETRIEVED FROM THE
INTERNET ARCHIVE ON 20:56:45 Jan 4, 2012.

I noticed that old versions of the website have a guest book section so think I'll have a trawl of that and see if any interesting comments turn up....

@tigger wrote:

@monkey mind wrote:Stewie, yes thanks, just went through the whole thread this evening. I thought it very interesting that that particular website had lain untouched for a number of years and then has four updates from the middle of May 2007 til the end. Another one of them thar coincidees!

Quote from page 13
I remember that being discussed on 3A. Wasn't there other key words such as "girl" and "boy"? Very strange way of advertising a holiday apartment. I book privately owned apartments and villas every year and I think if one of the key words for the website was sex, I would skim over it and choose another place to stay.

littlepixie unquote.

I just thought to add this, I expect any proof of this is long gone?

Edited as I was behind on the thread and have just seen the post above where the keywords are verified. I don't know when the keywords were changed but am sure the discussion was before 2010.
Boys and Girls IMO are strange keywords to use if trying to attract adults.

Stewie wrote:Thanks for the tip on the web archiving tool Bristow.. it's revealed some interesting finds...

I put the http://www.jacinto-murat.pt/ url into the archiving tool and found some interesting keywords.. including the reference to boys and girls that was mentioned in previous posts.

The first archive for the landing page is 22 Jan 1998 and nothing particularly interesting in the keywords..
Next archive is 1 Dec 1998 and some interesting keywords have appeared:

"-- META TOP --META NAME="AUTHOR" CONTENT="Jacinto & Murat, Lda"META NAME="DESCRIPTION" CONTENT="holiday appartments in Algarve Portugal Europe"META NAME="KEYWORDS" CONTENT="Arquitectura, Architecture, Portugal, tourism, Turismo, Vacances,holiday, férias, resort, apartamentos, Algarve, beach, praias, praia, plage, Travel, water sports,Lagos, heaven, Architectural, projects, sexo, sex, adulto, adult, equestrian, riding, love, romance, lonely, girls"

FILE ARCHIVED ON 5:41:42 Dec 1, 1998 AND RETRIEVED FROM THE
INTERNET ARCHIVE ON 21:05:56 Jan 4, 2012.

I haven't looked at all the intervening archives, but looking at the one for 6 Feb 2007 the keywords are still the same but at some point "boys" was added to the keywords:

META NAME="AUTHOR" CONTENT="Jacinto & Murat, Lda"
META NAME="DESCRIPTION" CONTENT="holiday appartments in Algarve Portugal, Europe, Best Fares Discount Travel"
META NAME="KEYWORDS" CONTENT="Lagos, Portugal, Europe, euro, algarve, madrid, spain, tourism, Turismo, Vacances,holiday, férias, resort, apartamentos, Algarve, beach, praias, praia, plage, Arquitectura, Architecture, Travel, water sports,Lagos, heaven, Architectural, projects, sexo, sex, adulto, adult, equestrian, riding, love, romance, lonely, girls, boys"

FILE ARCHIVED ON 12:48:55 Feb 6, 2007 AND RETRIEVED FROM THE
INTERNET ARCHIVE ON 20:41:00 Jan 4, 2012.


The keywords are still the same as above on 13 jan 2010
Then by the time of the last archive on 2 april 2010 the keywords have changed to what we see today. with all the questionable words removed.... ...

Someone mentioned that the keywords had been noticed before on the 3 Arguidos forum? Wonder if that was in 2010 and the keywords were then changed .

META NAME="AUTHOR" CONTENT="Jacinto & Murat, Lda Holiday apartments"
META NAME="DESCRIPTION" CONTENT="Holiday, Portugal, lagos holiday, apartments, apartamentos, apartamento ferias,
férias, lagos, Algarve Portugal, Europa, estadia, estadias"
META NAME="KEYWORDS" CONTENT="Lagos Portugal, holiday Lagos, algarve apartments, apartment, ferias lagos, Algarve Portugal Europa,
Holiday, Portugal, lagos holiday, apartments, apartamentos, apartamento ferias, férias, lagos, Algarve Portugal,estadia, estadias"


FILE ARCHIVED ON 10:53:18 Apr 2, 2010 AND RETRIEVED FROM THE
INTERNET ARCHIVE ON 20:56:45 Jan 4, 2012.

I noticed that old versions of the website have a guest book section so think I'll have a trawl of that and see if any interesting comments turn up....

Thank you Stewie for locating this information. I knew I had seen this post and remember raising the boy and girl statement there and then. As to whether this was 2010, I really don't know. If you know exactly when 3a's closed, the original discussion took place on there maybe a few months before it closed and I cannot remember if when someone noticed the wording had changed, was on 3a's or when everyone went over to MCF.

You are just brilliant.

ETA, thinking about it now, it did get changed after it was posted up on 3a's.

When the person who located it first put it up on 3a's, the exact wording I am almost certain said 'good for boys and girls'. Other key words words like projects, sexo, sex, adulto, adult and lonely should never, never, be in the same sentence as 'good for boys and girls'.

2012 is really picking up speed now. Thank you.

I'm sure this has been mentioned before, but I have just come across an article written by Tony about Robert Murat, which quotes Jenny, his mum, saying that her husband had bought a house in Burgau when they first moved out to Portugal as a family in the late 1960s.

@uppatoffee wrote:I'm sure this has been mentioned before, but I have just come across an article written by Tony about Robert Murat, which quotes Jenny, his mum, saying that her husband had bought a house in Burgau when they first moved out to Portugal as a family in the late 1960s.

Yes Murat has relatives living in Burgau

Stella wrote:When the person who located it first put it up on 3a's, the exact wording I am almost certain said 'good for boys and girls'. Other key words words like projects, sexo, sex, adulto, adult and lonely should never, never, be in the same sentence as 'good for boys and girls'.

2012 is really picking up speed now. Thank you.

I also looked at the keywords from all the dates on the web engines., and cant find that it says good for boys and girls in any of them.. But it says love,romance, lonely,girls , boys.. And that shouldnt be in the same sentence either. I think Stewie pointet out all the keywords used on this site, I couldnt fint any other that what he already has pointet out.. So it never said good for boys and girls..Just to clear that up :)

Moa wrote:

Stella wrote:When the person who located it first put it up on 3a's, the exact wording I am almost certain said 'good for boys and girls'. Other key words words like projects, sexo, sex, adulto, adult and lonely should never, never, be in the same sentence as 'good for boys and girls'.

2012 is really picking up speed now. Thank you.

I also looked at the keywords from all the dates on the web engines., and cant find that it says good for boys and girls in any of them.. But it says love,romance, lonely,girls , boys.. And that shouldnt be in the same sentence either. I think Stewie pointet out all the keywords used on this site, I couldnt fint any other that what he already has pointet out.. So it never said good for boys and girls..Just to clear that up :)

No one could have searched through 4 years worth of info in that short space of time Moa.

Your post does clear something up though and it has nothing to do with what was in the original web entries.

Stella wrote:

Moa wrote:

Stella wrote:When the person who located it first put it up on 3a's, the exact wording I am almost certain said 'good for boys and girls'. Other key words words like projects, sexo, sex, adulto, adult and lonely should never, never, be in the same sentence as 'good for boys and girls'.

2012 is really picking up speed now. Thank you.

I also looked at the keywords from all the dates on the web engines., and cant find that it says good for boys and girls in any of them.. But it says love,romance, lonely,girls , boys.. And that shouldnt be in the same sentence either. I think Stewie pointet out all the keywords used on this site, I couldnt fint any other that what he already has pointet out.. So it never said good for boys and girls..Just to clear that up :)

No one could have searched through 4 years worth of info in that short space of time Moa.

Your post does clear something up though and it has nothing to do with what was in the original web entries.

i did it yesterday and it only shows the update entries and that was 164 I think. So It do not take that long to go threw them :) i guess we are talking about the same webiste? And no reason to laugh so badly Stella ! And what You mean it cleared up something ?

@jd wrote:

@uppatoffee wrote:I'm sure this has been mentioned before, but I have just come across an article written by Tony about Robert Murat, which quotes Jenny, his mum, saying that her husband had bought a house in Burgau when they first moved out to Portugal as a family in the late 1960s.

Yes Murat has relatives living in Burgau

There's also an interview with Mr Jacinto, who was a partner with Robert Murat's father where he mentions property in Burgau:
On the matter in hand he said:
The deponent was the business partner of John Henry Queriol Murat, from memory
in the period between 1972 and 1977 or 1976, in the partnership Jacinto & Murat,
it being that they knew each other form 1967, the time when John Murat, still
single acquired a house in Burgau which John later sold.
- Equally he recalls John having another business partnership with himself and
another Englishman, called Burgau Investimentos Turisticos Lda., in which John
also sold his share a short time after the business was formed.

Also, he was questioned by the PJ about the rental apartment that is advertised on the Jacinto e Murat website, Quinta da Falfeira. Interesting that he was questioned specifically about these apartments - maybe the PJ saw the website? :

- Regarding the Quinta da Falfeira, this property was his and his ex-wife's,
currently his grand-daughter's, used by her son.
- Equally next to this property the deponent owns a house called "Casa de Avis".
- He clarifies that Robert Murat never had access to those properties and even
less to the key of any part of them, being very certain that he (RM) never
frequented Quinta da Falfeira.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOAO_JACINTO.htm

A few other things I noticed:

-The boys keyword was added between between 1 dec 1998 (not listed in archive) and 18 Jan 2002 (appears in archive)

- From 19 June 2000 to 23 Dec 2004 there is a hotel praia de burgau listed. The keywords are as would expect, but the description has some interesting comments. These don't display on the page, or not that I can see. It may be that it was just a bored web developer messing around..

TITLE Hotel Praia de Burgau TITLE

meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html"
meta name="Keywords" content="Portugal, Hotels, Português, Portuguesa, Portugués, Portuguese, Portugaise, Guide, Guía, Travel, Viajes, Journées, Hôtels, Hoteles, Tourist, Touriste, Turístico, Turistica, Tourism, Turista, Tourismo, Tourisme, Turismo, Pousadas, Posadas, Inns, Estalagem, Estalagens, Estalajes, Albergarias, Auberges, Pensão, Pensões, Pensions, Hostales, Boarding Houses, Alojamento, Accommodation, Logement, Lodging, Rooms, Chambres, Zimmer, Habitaciones, Motels, Motéis, Moteles, Apartamentos, Apartments, Apartements, Apartamientos, Aldeamentos, Villages, Villas, Resorts, Aparthotels, Aparthotéis, Aparthoteles, Apartotéis, Apartoteles, Campismo, Camping, Caravanismo, Caravaning, Juventude, Youth Hostels, Juventud, Jeunesse, b&b, Espaço Rural, Agroturismo, Agro-turismo, Agritourism, TER, Habitação, Guest, Private"

meta name="description" content="Complete guide (1500+ properties) to Portugal hotels and other lodging. Secure discounted online reservations (instant confirmation thru one of the largest international services). Prices and e-mail addresses (where available). Growing section of travel tips and advice. Children safe. No sex, no nude pictures of Pamela Anderson, no free xxx photos of Lara Croft!"

Lastly, not much in the guestbook. One entry 24 dec 2006 by a lady who seemed to appreciate the gentlemen folk of Lagos:
Location: USA
Comments: I love your site and Lagos men. Do you accept donations to support it?

Im back home, and isn it strange.. All the pages keyword has now changed. So what we saw there yesterday are no gone..What is left today is Arquitectura, Architecture, Portugal, tourism, Turismo, Vacances, holiday, férias, resort, apartamentos, Algarve, beach, praia, praias, Travel, water, sports, holiday, beach, Architectural projects, Real Estate, paradise, sex, golf .. I checked all the years, and they say the same now..How did that happen ? They changed it, so its significant...

Moa wrote:Im back home, and isn it strange.. All the pages keyword has now changed. So what we saw there yesterday are no gone..What is left today is Arquitectura, Architecture, Portugal, tourism, Turismo, Vacances, holiday, férias, resort, apartamentos, Algarve, beach, praia, praias, Travel, water, sports, holiday, beach, Architectural projects, Real Estate, paradise, sex, golf .. I checked all the years, and they say the same now..How did that happen ? They changed it, so its significant...

Hi Moa, I can see the same info as I posted yesterday.. I am going to the web archive tool, paste in the url:
http://www.jacinto-murat.pt/paginas/jm-ing.html
then scroll through the days.. The view source keywords are the same for me.

Some of the pages have slightly different keywords so maybe you are looking at a different page to yesterday?

Stewie wrote:

Moa wrote:Im back home, and isn it strange.. All the pages keyword has now changed. So what we saw there yesterday are no gone..What is left today is Arquitectura, Architecture, Portugal, tourism, Turismo, Vacances, holiday, férias, resort, apartamentos, Algarve, beach, praia, praias, Travel, water, sports, holiday, beach, Architectural projects, Real Estate, paradise, sex, golf .. I checked all the years, and they say the same now..How did that happen ? They changed it, so its significant...

Hi Moa, I can see the same info as I posted yesterday.. I am going to the web archive tool, paste in the url:
http://www.jacinto-murat.pt/paginas/jm-ing.html
then scroll through the days.. The view source keywords are the same for me.

Some of the pages have slightly different keywords so maybe you are looking at a different page to yesterday?

mmm could be, im trying again with the link you are providing. BRB :)

Okey tried it again and still get the same..I used the link you provided..i also checked the same dates as yesterday. Only blabla and ends with sex and golf.. I also got this on another computer, so it can't be any cookies doing it either..
http://web.archive.org/web/20001019030359/http://www.jacinto-murat.pt/paginas/jm-ing.html

I had my historik from yesterday stored, so I managed to find it :)

Moa wrote:

Stewie wrote:

Moa wrote:Im back home, and isn it strange.. All the pages keyword has now changed. So what we saw there yesterday are no gone..What is left today is Arquitectura, Architecture, Portugal, tourism, Turismo, Vacances, holiday, férias, resort, apartamentos, Algarve, beach, praia, praias, Travel, water, sports, holiday, beach, Architectural projects, Real Estate, paradise, sex, golf .. I checked all the years, and they say the same now..How did that happen ? They changed it, so its significant...

Hi Moa, I can see the same info as I posted yesterday.. I am going to the web archive tool, paste in the url:
http://www.jacinto-murat.pt/paginas/jm-ing.html
then scroll through the days.. The view source keywords are the same for me.

Some of the pages have slightly different keywords so maybe you are looking at a different page to yesterday?

mmm could be, im trying again with the link you are providing. BRB :)

Okey tried it again and still get the same..I used the link you provided..i also checked the same dates as yesterday. Only blabla and ends with sex and golf.. I also got this on another computer, so it can't be any cookies doing it either..
http://web.archive.org/web/20001019030359/http://www.jacinto-murat.pt/paginas/jm-ing.html

I had my historik from yesterday stored, so I managed to find it :)

Think we are looking at slightlly different pages. Your link is going to a page link, mine is going to the main landing page and the keywords are slightly different between the two pages

http://web.archive.org/web/20100402105318/http://www.jacinto-murat.pt/

Stewie wrote:Thanks for the tip on the web archiving tool Bristow.. it's revealed some interesting finds...

I put the http://www.jacinto-murat.pt/ url into the archiving tool and found some interesting keywords.. including the reference to boys and girls that was mentioned in previous posts.

The first archive for the landing page is 22 Jan 1998 and nothing particularly interesting in the keywords..
Next archive is 1 Dec 1998 and some interesting keywords have appeared:

"-- META TOP --META NAME="AUTHOR" CONTENT="Jacinto & Murat, Lda"META NAME="DESCRIPTION" CONTENT="holiday appartments in Algarve Portugal Europe"META NAME="KEYWORDS" CONTENT="Arquitectura, Architecture, Portugal, tourism, Turismo, Vacances,holiday, férias, resort, apartamentos, Algarve, beach, praias, praia, plage, Travel, water sports,Lagos, heaven, Architectural, projects, sexo, sex, adulto, adult, equestrian, riding, love, romance, lonely, girls"

FILE ARCHIVED ON 5:41:42 Dec 1, 1998 AND RETRIEVED FROM THE
INTERNET ARCHIVE ON 21:05:56 Jan 4, 2012.

I haven't looked at all the intervening archives, but looking at the one for 6 Feb 2007 the keywords are still the same but at some point "boys" was added to the keywords:
....

Boys where added between sept 23 2001 and jan 18 2002...

Stewie wrote:

Moa wrote:

Stewie wrote:

Moa wrote:Im back home, and isn it strange.. All the pages keyword has now changed. So what we saw there yesterday are no gone..What is left today is Arquitectura, Architecture, Portugal, tourism, Turismo, Vacances, holiday, férias, resort, apartamentos, Algarve, beach, praia, praias, Travel, water, sports, holiday, beach, Architectural projects, Real Estate, paradise, sex, golf .. I checked all the years, and they say the same now..How did that happen ? They changed it, so its significant...

Hi Moa, I can see the same info as I posted yesterday.. I am going to the web archive tool, paste in the url:
http://www.jacinto-murat.pt/paginas/jm-ing.html
then scroll through the days.. The view source keywords are the same for me.

Some of the pages have slightly different keywords so maybe you are looking at a different page to yesterday?

mmm could be, im trying again with the link you are providing. BRB :)

Okey tried it again and still get the same..I used the link you provided..i also checked the same dates as yesterday. Only blabla and ends with sex and golf.. I also got this on another computer, so it can't be any cookies doing it either..
http://web.archive.org/web/20001019030359/http://www.jacinto-murat.pt/paginas/jm-ing.html

I had my historik from yesterday stored, so I managed to find it :)

Think we are looking at slightlly different pages. Your link is going to a page link, mine is going to the main landing page and the keywords are slightly different between the two pages

http://web.archive.org/web/20100402105318/http://www.jacinto-murat.pt/

Thats correct :) But you did give me that link But yes I was not on the main page :) If you look at the site to day, it says it was created 05.05.2010.. And they remowed the words boy,girl,romance and so on between jan and april 2010...

Stewie wrote:-The boys keyword was added between between 1 dec 1998 (not listed in archive) and 18 Jan 2002 (appears in archive)

Stewie, is there any way of recovering what the website actually looked like in 2007?

I know of someone who may have a copy of it, but will need to track them down. When posters change names, it's very hard to locate them again.

I have a funny feeling that when Malinka's car got burnt out, with the word FALA (talk) printed in red paint beside it. Someone was sending them a clear message. 'Do not talk'.

I have a funny feeling that when Malinka's car got burnt out, with the
word FALA (talk) printed in red paint beside it. Someone was sending
them a clear message. 'Do not talk'.

Wasn't the Fala a misunderstanding? When the BBC printed something about Amaral swearing about the McCanns he actually said 'Ask (fala) the McCanns' not F**k the McCanns* as they reported. When they received complaints about their mistranslation they belated offered an apology. However, many people seeing the first interpretation and not speaking Portuguese would not know that 'Fala' meant talk, painted the supposed oath beside the car, and made complete fools of themselves.

* Kate OTH is quite happy to quote herself using such language.

@Miraflores wrote:

I have a funny feeling that when Malinka's car got burnt out, with the
word FALA (talk) printed in red paint beside it. Someone was sending
them a clear message. 'Do not talk'.

Wasn't the Fala a misunderstanding? When the BBC printed something about Amaral swearing about the McCanns he actually said 'Ask (fala) the McCanns' not F**k the McCanns* as they reported. When they received complaints about their mistranslation they belated offered an apology. However, many people seeing the first interpretation and not speaking Portuguese would not know that 'Fala' meant talk, painted the supposed oath beside the car, and made complete fools of themselves.
* Kate OTH is quite happy to quote herself using such language.

The car being burnt out has no connection with Goncalo Amaral, or with reporters misunderstanding the Poruguese lanaguage.

@Miraflores wrote:

I have a funny feeling that when Malinka's car got burnt out, with the
word FALA (talk) printed in red paint beside it. Someone was sending
them a clear message. 'Do not talk'.

Wasn't the Fala a misunderstanding? When the BBC printed something about Amaral swearing about the McCanns he actually said 'Ask (fala) the McCanns' not F**k the McCanns* as they reported. When they received complaints about their mistranslation they belated offered an apology. However, many people seeing the first interpretation and not speaking Portuguese would not know that 'Fala' meant talk, painted the supposed oath beside the car, and made complete fools of themselves.

* Kate OTH is quite happy to quote herself using such language.

Remember her chanting f...king tossers...at PJ at the police station?

Stella wrote:

Stewie wrote:-The boys keyword was added between between 1 dec 1998 (not listed in archive) and 18 Jan 2002 (appears in archive)

Stewie, is there any way of recovering what the website actually looked like in 2007?

I know of someone who may have a copy of it, but will need to track them down. When posters change names, it's very hard to locate them again.

I have a funny feeling that when Malinka's car got burnt out, with the word FALA (talk) printed in red paint beside it. Someone was sending them a clear message. 'Do not talk'.

Yes on the web archive tool you can see the pages that were archived - I think it saves the whole website so it is pretty much like a normal website and you can navigate through it. I can see if I can save a screenshot and post it on here if there's something in particular you want to see..