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Post by Guest 27.02.14 18:55

tigger wrote:However, i discovered another website set up by  Jon Corner: findmadeleine org


Domain ID:D145995330-LROR
Domain Name:FINDMADELEINE.ORG
Created On:14-May-2007 14:31:24 UTC
Last Updated On:14-May-2009 16:18:36 UTC
Expiration Date:14-May-2010 14:31:24 UTC
Sponsoring Registrar:Tucows Inc. (R11-LROR)
Status:CLIENT TRANSFER PROHIBITED
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Registrant ID:tubK7bbqRl4gUa27
Registrant Name:Jon Corner
Registrant Organization:Jon Corner
Registrant Street1:82 Wood Street
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Registrant City:Liverpool
Registrant State/Province:Merseyside
Registrant Postal Code:L14DQ
Registrant Country:GB
Registrant Phone:+44.1517080807
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Registrant FAX:
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Registrant Email:jon@river-media.comJon registered the findmadeleine.org domain - but doesn't use it. When I type www.findmadeleine.org in the URL box I get nothing.

http://81.21.76.62/findmadeleine.org/index.html gives me a lovely blue screen.

Eta: between about 03.00 and 07.00 there are  25 (or more) telephone calls and sms messages between Jon Corner and  Kate.
On 4/5/07.

Hello Tigger,

How do you know, about these phone calls?
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Post by tigger 27.02.14 18:59

aiyoyo wrote:
tigger wrote:However, i discovered another website set up by  Jon Corner: findmadeleine org


Domain ID:D145995330-LROR
Domain Name:FINDMADELEINE.ORG
Created On:14-May-2007 14:31:24 UTC
Last Updated On:14-May-2009 16:18:36 UTC
Expiration Date:14-May-2010 14:31:24 UTC
Sponsoring Registrar:Tucows Inc. (R11-LROR)
Status:CLIENT TRANSFER PROHIBITED
Status:CLIENT UPDATE PROHIBITED
Registrant ID:tubK7bbqRl4gUa27
Registrant Name:Jon Corner
Registrant Organization:Jon Corner
Registrant Street1:82 Wood Street
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Registrant City:Liverpool
Registrant State/Province:Merseyside
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Registrant Email:jon@river-media.comJon registered the findmadeleine.org domain - but doesn't use it. When I type www.findmadeleine.org in the URL box I get nothing.

http://81.21.76.62/findmadeleine.org/index.html gives me a lovely blue screen.

Eta: between about 03.00 and 07.00 there are  25 (or more) telephone calls and sms messages between Jon Corner and  Kate.
On 4/5/07.

The speed at which they set up the site is staggering.  
It would mean thoughts going into the setting up of a site and name selections etc were already under discussion before the 14th.
11 days after Madeleine disappearance they already knew she was not going to be found for a very long time and that they are going to be needing a fighting fund.  
Dodgy behavior like that is often associated to low life scammers out to make quick bucks .  
Coming from a pair of middle-class doctors does not render it any less suspicious in fact more so.
It was clear from the outset the Fund was originally never intended for the search when uncle Brian announced it can be used for purpose of helping the Mccanns ie for paying legal fees.  
Using fund for PI must be a hard decision for them knowing they are just throwing away money to no purpose where no return is possible. They must have been advised against being seen to use fund for self-serving purpose only rather than for Madeleine purpose.

So it seems no less than 5 websites were set up in a very short time.

Bringmadeleinehome :  8th?   The amateur site where they didn't spell her name right iirc
Findmadeleine.org 14th. By Jon Corner.
Findmadeleine.com 18th?  Was this done to make it look more 'family' generated?
Them the two cuddlecat one of which was org.
Perhaps someone couldfind out who set up the cuddlecat websites? Would be interesting if that was JC again, since at the time he was director of Keeko something, also dealing in toys.
Jon Corner was said to have bought cuddlecat for Maddie.

What I get out of the above sequence is a commercial enterprise closely linked to Maddie by the CC.
Once again, hardly a spur of the moment idea imo, especially as the manufacturer of CC isn't known?

I think that CC, like Kate in a swimsuit on the beach, was taken off the wider agenda by a moderating agency such as a PR firm.

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Post by j.rob 01.03.14 14:29

The cynicism of this whole 'campaign' is just sickening. It is so difficult to understand the mind-sets of the McCanns and those who have chosen to turn a blind eye to their culpability in 'losing' their child and then turning into a mass media and marketing campaign. Not to mention eliciting public money to defend their version of events.

A version of events that they claim is the 'truth' - despite the paradox that they cannot know what happened to Madeleine unless they were there when it happened or were complicit in some way in what happened.

So why is it okay for the McCAnns to peddle their story, which is not believable, and then have the temerity to sue people who point out that what they have said doesn't make any sense?

Using public money.
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Post by kimHager 12.06.14 15:45

Who in their right mind would go on holiday for weeks ie no car etc AND 3 toddlers with no buggies??? Twins no less always seem to havethe double stroller.I have 3 kids under 5 and I used to walk to get groceries and NEVER did I go without a stroller. If they were jogging logically they would have buggies but alas like the sports bag its only when convenient LOL

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Post by ROSA 12.09.15 16:48

a few oddities - A few oddities - Page 8 Madele12In this clip if it works I notice on the right side a twin stroller but I thought the McCann's did not take one to Portugal

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Post by Amy Dean 12.09.15 22:21

Maybe the two adults and double buggy are not part of the McCann / Payne group?
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Post by Robittybob1 28.06.16 4:24

Guest wrote:Here's a few odd things to consider:

Gerry said on airport bus that he wasn't there to enjoy himself
Speed and professionalism of the Fund/website being set up
2006 seen on website when Maddie went missing in 2007
Naming Fund after a police forensic manual "No stone unturned"
John McCann gave up well-paid job despite having house, wife and kids to support
The last photo of Maddie believed to be fake
Kate's strange diary
Gerry's strange blog
Disregarding police advice about releasing information about Maddie's eye
Trademark, marketing ploy
Twins left in unlocked apartment after Kate raised alarm
Twins left in creche during aftermath while they went fundraising
Smiling and smirking
Whoever Madeleine's with she'll be giving them her tuppenceworth
Well it was our holiday too
Staged walks, jogging, globetrotting, not searching
Gerry planning events months ahead
No evidence of abduction
No jemmied window
Gerry alleged to have dumped Fridge, reference removed from his blog
Amaral believed Maddie's corpse was frozen or refrigerated
Curtains washed, sofa moved, no sheets on twins' cots
Rotting meat, dirty nappies transported in hire car
Lies and inconsistencies, changing statements/stories
Tearing Maddie's book to write timeline before police arrived
Deleting text messages and phone records the night Maddie disappeared
Phoning Sky before phoning police
Gerry having presence of mind to update his Friends Reunited profile to remove babysitting reference
Washing Cuddlecat and using it as a prop for staged photoshoots then dumping it once back in the UK
Framing Robert Murat
The Wider Agenda flipchart
The excessive mileage on the hire car
Blood/marks on walls and floor behind sofa
Cadaver scent in apartment and car and on Kate and Maddie's clothes
David Payne and Gerry's alleged 'paedophilic' conversation reported to police by Dr Gaspar
David Payne's alleged 'bathtime' visits
Jon Corner's strange remark about Maddie's special quality and charisma
Ward of Court
Question 41: Is it true that in England you considered giving up Madeleine's guardianship
Claiming to be devout Catholics which was denied by Kate's mother
Sedatives mystery
Not answering 48 police questions
Not going back to Portugal to do the reconstruction
Refusing to take lie detector test
Excuses made for evidence found
Discrediting sniffer dogs
Not requesting the re-opening of the case before the deadline on 20 September 2008
Not taking Amaral's advice and making a formal request to the British police to find Maddie, despite their insistence that she is still alive
Mr Amaral removed from investigation
Mr Amaral's dog killed with serious head injury
Sergey Malinka's car torched
Does anyone have references to all or some of these?
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Post by plebgate 28.06.16 7:37

There are topics on these which you will find if you use the search facility.  Putting in the key word (I have recently discovered as I am useless) will normally bring up several topics where the word has been mentioned.

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Post by Robittybob1 28.06.16 8:00

plebgate wrote:There are topics on these which you will find if you use the search facility.  Putting in the key word (I have recently discovered as I am useless) will normally bring up several topics where the word has been mentioned.
Searching this site or Google?
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Post by MayMuse 28.06.16 11:43

Robittybob1 wrote:
plebgate wrote:There are topics on these which you will find if you use the search facility.  Putting in the key word (I have recently discovered as I am useless) will normally bring up several topics where the word has been mentioned.
Searching this site or Google?
This site using the search bar, as explained by Plebgate, if you use key words threads will then pop up  yes

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Post by plebgate 28.06.16 12:05

ROSA wrote:a few oddities - A few oddities - Page 8 Madele12In this clip if it works I notice on the right side a twin stroller but I thought the McCann's did not take one to Portugal
I don't recall seeing this pic. before but imo the body frames of those two women  could be Mrs. and Fi Payne.

Looks like the one with the suitcases and buggy could have a pink toy over the arm - could that be cuddlecat?

I don't know if this photo is from the internet or official police files but I do think it is odd that they haven't been asked if it is them and if it is why they would have said they didn't take a stroller with them. 

Has anyone ever sent a copy of this to the police with the other files?

I find it very hard to believe that a family of five with a lot of luggage required for a week's holiday would not take a stroller with them.

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Post by Robittybob1 28.06.16 12:23

Guest wrote:Here's a few odd things to consider:

Gerry said on airport bus that he wasn't there to enjoy himself
Speed and professionalism of the Fund/website being set up
2006 seen on website when Maddie went missing in 2007
Naming Fund after a police forensic manual "No stone unturned"
John McCann gave up well-paid job despite having house, wife and kids to support
The last photo of Maddie believed to be fake
Kate's strange diary
Gerry's strange blog
Disregarding police advice about releasing information about Maddie's eye
Trademark, marketing ploy
Twins left in unlocked apartment after Kate raised alarm
Twins left in creche during aftermath while they went fundraising
Smiling and smirking
Whoever Madeleine's with she'll be giving them her tuppenceworth
Well it was our holiday too
Staged walks, jogging, globetrotting, not searching
Gerry planning events months ahead
No evidence of abduction
No jemmied window
Gerry alleged to have dumped Fridge, reference removed from his blog
Amaral believed Maddie's corpse was frozen or refrigerated
Curtains washed, sofa moved, no sheets on twins' cots
Rotting meat, dirty nappies transported in hire car
Lies and inconsistencies, changing statements/stories
Tearing Maddie's book to write timeline before police arrived
Deleting text messages and phone records the night Maddie disappeared
Phoning Sky before phoning police
Gerry having presence of mind to update his Friends Reunited profile to remove babysitting reference
Washing Cuddlecat and using it as a prop for staged photoshoots then dumping it once back in the UK
Framing Robert Murat
The Wider Agenda flipchart
The excessive mileage on the hire car
Blood/marks on walls and floor behind sofa
Cadaver scent in apartment and car and on Kate and Maddie's clothes
David Payne and Gerry's alleged 'paedophilic' conversation reported to police by Dr Gaspar
David Payne's alleged 'bathtime' visits
Jon Corner's strange remark about Maddie's special quality and charisma
Ward of Court
Question 41: Is it true that in England you considered giving up Madeleine's guardianship
Claiming to be devout Catholics which was denied by Kate's mother
Sedatives mystery
Not answering 48 police questions
Not going back to Portugal to do the reconstruction
Refusing to take lie detector test
Excuses made for evidence found
Discrediting sniffer dogs
Not requesting the re-opening of the case before the deadline on 20 September 2008
Not taking Amaral's advice and making a formal request to the British police to find Maddie, despite their insistence that she is still alive
Mr Amaral removed from investigation
Mr Amaral's dog killed with serious head injury
Sergey Malinka's car torched
I'd like to see all these with links or quotes to prove the veracity of these oddities

I have seen this one on YT "Gerry said on airport bus that he wasn't there to enjoy himself"
Some of the others are rather well known and the reasons given.

Does someone think these 2 are related to the McCann case? Mr Amaral's dog killed with serious head injury
Sergey Malinka's car torched
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Post by MayMuse 28.06.16 16:42

plebgate wrote:
ROSA wrote:a few oddities - A few oddities - Page 8 Madele12In this clip if it works I notice on the right side a twin stroller but I thought the McCann's did not take one to Portugal
I don't recall seeing this pic. before but imo the body frames of those two women  could be Mrs. and Fi Payne.

Looks like the one with the suitcases and buggy could have a pink toy over the arm - could that be cuddlecat?

I don't know if this photo is from the internet or official police files but I do think it is odd that they haven't been asked if it is them and if it is why they would have said they didn't take a stroller with them. 

Has anyone ever sent a copy of this to the police with the other files?

I find it very hard to believe that a family of five with a lot of luggage required for a week's holiday would not take a stroller with them.
I believe this is just a snapshot "still" from the video which the family released of them boarding the aeroplane, and Madeleine fell up the stairs.

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Post by MayMuse 28.06.16 16:44

Robittybob1 wrote:
Guest wrote:Here's a few odd things to consider:

Gerry said on airport bus that he wasn't there to enjoy himself
Speed and professionalism of the Fund/website being set up
2006 seen on website when Maddie went missing in 2007
Naming Fund after a police forensic manual "No stone unturned"
John McCann gave up well-paid job despite having house, wife and kids to support
The last photo of Maddie believed to be fake
Kate's strange diary
Gerry's strange blog
Disregarding police advice about releasing information about Maddie's eye
Trademark, marketing ploy
Twins left in unlocked apartment after Kate raised alarm
Twins left in creche during aftermath while they went fundraising
Smiling and smirking
Whoever Madeleine's with she'll be giving them her tuppenceworth
Well it was our holiday too
Staged walks, jogging, globetrotting, not searching
Gerry planning events months ahead
No evidence of abduction
No jemmied window
Gerry alleged to have dumped Fridge, reference removed from his blog
Amaral believed Maddie's corpse was frozen or refrigerated
Curtains washed, sofa moved, no sheets on twins' cots
Rotting meat, dirty nappies transported in hire car
Lies and inconsistencies, changing statements/stories
Tearing Maddie's book to write timeline before police arrived
Deleting text messages and phone records the night Maddie disappeared
Phoning Sky before phoning police
Gerry having presence of mind to update his Friends Reunited profile to remove babysitting reference
Washing Cuddlecat and using it as a prop for staged photoshoots then dumping it once back in the UK
Framing Robert Murat
The Wider Agenda flipchart
The excessive mileage on the hire car
Blood/marks on walls and floor behind sofa
Cadaver scent in apartment and car and on Kate and Maddie's clothes
David Payne and Gerry's alleged 'paedophilic' conversation reported to police by Dr Gaspar
David Payne's alleged 'bathtime' visits
Jon Corner's strange remark about Maddie's special quality and charisma
Ward of Court
Question 41: Is it true that in England you considered giving up Madeleine's guardianship
Claiming to be devout Catholics which was denied by Kate's mother
Sedatives mystery
Not answering 48 police questions
Not going back to Portugal to do the reconstruction
Refusing to take lie detector test
Excuses made for evidence found
Discrediting sniffer dogs
Not requesting the re-opening of the case before the deadline on 20 September 2008
Not taking Amaral's advice and making a formal request to the British police to find Maddie, despite their insistence that she is still alive
Mr Amaral removed from investigation
Mr Amaral's dog killed with serious head injury
Sergey Malinka's car torched
I'd like to see all these with links or quotes to prove the veracity of these oddities

I have seen this one on YT "Gerry said on airport bus that he wasn't there to enjoy himself"
Some of the others are rather well known and the reasons given.

Does someone think these 2 are related to the McCann case? Mr Amaral's dog killed with serious head injury
Sergey Malinka's car torched
Search the forum, it is all discussed on threads/links which can assist your own seeking.

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Post by Nina 28.06.16 17:03

MayMuse wrote:
plebgate wrote:
ROSA wrote:a few oddities - A few oddities - Page 8 Madele12In this clip if it works I notice on the right side a twin stroller but I thought the McCann's did not take one to Portugal
I don't recall seeing this pic. before but imo the body frames of those two women  could be Mrs. and Fi Payne.

Looks like the one with the suitcases and buggy could have a pink toy over the arm - could that be cuddlecat?

I don't know if this photo is from the internet or official police files but I do think it is odd that they haven't been asked if it is them and if it is why they would have said they didn't take a stroller with them. 

Has anyone ever sent a copy of this to the police with the other files?

I find it very hard to believe that a family of five with a lot of luggage required for a week's holiday would not take a stroller with them.
I believe this is just a snapshot "still" from the video which the family released of them boarding the aeroplane, and Madeleine fell up the stairs.
Yes it is but very interesting that there is a  double  buggy there. I tried to enlarge  it but it just  gets fuzzier so made it much smaller and looked through my magnifying glass.It isn't  as fuzzy but not clear enough to see who is who but  I wager it is Sean in the right hand side of the double buggy but cannot prove it.

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Post by plebgate 28.06.16 17:21

Thanks for that MayM.   Having read Nina's post about using a magnifyer I did the same and it is still very fuzzy but it looks to me as though there could be two children in the buggy.  Can't make out faces but it looks to me that the child in the pushchair on my left (looking at screen) has their head on an angle to my right (looking at screen) but so difficult to really make it all out it could be just a mass of pixels I suppose?

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Post by worriedmum 28.06.16 17:41

I took a hard bodied pram to France when my second child was six weeks old as well as a stroller for the two year old-all in a Mini metro! And a buggy is essential with a toddler when you are flying to keep the tots safe and occupied at the airport... so YES very difficult to believe there was no buggy except of course the children had to share a single toothbrush didn't they?


Maybe we are looking at this all the wrong way around.

Maybe the question we should be asking is

WHAT HAPPENED TO THE *DOUBLE BUGGY ?






* If it existed spin
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Post by Nina 28.06.16 18:48

I am trying to find the video this  still is  taken from but it seems to have been whooshed. Has  anyone a copy tucked away  please?

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Post by worriedmum 28.06.16 18:53

not on the BBC site anymore, but the 'buggy' is about 5 seconds in...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1AlT1Jg0fw



After having looked at it frame by frame, I don't think the person with the buggy is Kate, her jacket is too light coloured.
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Post by Nina 28.06.16 19:12

worriedmum wrote:not on the BBC site anymore, but the 'buggy' is about 5 seconds in...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1AlT1Jg0fw



After having looked at it frame by frame, I don't think the person with the buggy is Kate, her jacket is too light coloured.
Thank you worriedmum    roses
It is interesting to go still  by still  and on a less than 100% on a full screen.I wish I could do pictures.

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Post by twentyfour 06.07.16 19:52

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David Payne and Gerry's alleged 'paedophilic' conversation reported to police by Dr Gaspar

Sorry, could someone elucidate me on this?
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Post by Jill Havern 06.07.16 20:11

twentyfour wrote:
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David Payne and Gerry's alleged 'paedophilic' conversation reported to police by Dr Gaspar

Sorry, could someone elucidate me on this?
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/KATERINA-PAYNE-INCIDENT.htm

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Post by twentyfour 06.07.16 23:05

Thanks very much.

Now why have I never heard this before?! 

Very worrying how much information has been hidden from public understanding.
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Post by twentyfour 07.07.16 0:53

I was always quite skeptical about Kate and Gerry having involvement in this, but stories like that make me question the whole thing. I really struggled to understand why parents would cover up a child's death (yes, even given Gerry's profession etc) but if there would be evidence of sexual abuse on Madeleine it throws the whole thing into a very plausible realm. 

And the more I read, the more likely I think it is that Madeleine died some time before Thursday night. What's that about the posters that Kate and Gerry managed to concoct in absurdly fast time the night of the disappearance? 

Anyway, chilling food for thought and I won't clog up this thread any more because I assume it's meant to be more of a resource than a discussion.
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