I believe kidnapper drugged my twins on the night Madeleine was taken

Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins on the night Madeleine was taken
By Daily Mail Reporter

Last updated at 4:36 PM on 12th May 2011


McCanns hope book will raise £1m to be spent on hunt for Madeleine

Parents say David Cameron has 'suffered his own loss as a father' as they make a personal plea for his assistance in hunt

Maddie's siblings asked only yesterday: 'How tall is she now?'
Mrs McCann: 'Kidnapper may have approached the night before snatching'
She also revealed that she won't have any more children
Gerry says: 'As long as Maddie is missing, we will never give up search'

Kate McCann said the kidnapper who seized Madeleine may also have drugged her other two children, as she launched a new appeal in the hunt for her missing girl today.

Mrs McCann said she had to check that twins Sean and Amelie were still breathing because they did not wake as they began a frantic search for the missing three-year-old.

And the mother revealed she believes the man who snatched Maddie may have approached their Portuguese holiday flat the night before - but fled when he was disturbed.

Kate and Gerry McCann attend a press conference for the launch of Mrs McCann's new book Madeleine about her daughter's disappearance. Today would have been her eighth birthday

Their pain: Gerry and Kate have vowed never to give up the hunt for Madeleine - and they have called for David Cameron to intervene
She carried out a fresh round of media interviews today as she publishes a new book about her daughter's disappearance, called Madeleine.

Kate and husband Gerry hope sales will raise £1million to provide continued funding for their private investigation.
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Asked if the twins had been drugged, she said on BBC Radio 4's Woman's Hour today: 'On the night I just remember the twins lying in the cot and not moving - with lights going on and people moving around.

'There was a lot of noise and they just didn't move and I remember several times checking for chest movements. I did feel it was a bit strange that they were not moving let alone waking up.

New outfit: Kate McCann writes that she admired Madeleine in her new pink outfit - but fears someone else did too
'I did consider with Madeleine perhaps she had been given something too.'
Madeleine disappeared from her bed on May 3, 2007, during a family holiday in the Algarve, and has not been seen since.
The mother added the morning before Maddie vanished she had been crying and complained that she had not slept.

Mrs McCann said: 'I just think it is too much of a coincidence but I never thought for one moment that there was anything sinister.'

She added: 'When we discovered she had gone it seemed very likely that someone had tried the same thing the night before.'

Today, as the McCanns mark Madeleine's eighth birthday, Kate revealed that the missing girl's siblings Sean and Amelie asked only yesterday: 'How tall is Madeline now?'
As she held her husband's knee, she said on Daybreak this morning that the family still feel the presence of the missing girl four years on.
She said: 'Madeleine is everywhere, she is with us all the time and it was only yesterday that Sean and Amelie were asking "how tall is Madeline now?".
'I was trying to explain she will be a bit taller than you but a bit shorter than her best friend.'
And in a pre-recorded interview with the BBC, Madeleine's mother, a doctor, said that medics don't stop treating the sick if they cannot diagnose the condition.
She asked: 'Why is it with a missing child you can stop going?'
She revealed this morning that she does not intend to have any more children.

Kate and Gerry McCann hope the book, which Kate has written without the help of a ghost writer, will raise £1million to go towards the private investigation
The McCanns fear that potentially vital information given to Portuguese and British police has been ignored, and are calling for an independent review of the case.
They have written to David Cameron calling for a 'transparent and comprehensive' review of all the information about their daughter's disappearance.
In their letter to the Prime Minister, published in The Sun, the McCanns wrote: 'One call might be all that is needed to lead to Madeleine and her abductor.

'To this end we are seeking a joint independent, transparent and comprehensive review of all information held in relation to Madeleine's disappearance.

'There's no evidence to say that she's dead,' said Kate McCann, with her husband Gerry, in an interview with Daybreak this morning as they launched a fresh appeal
Snatched: The Ocean Club Resort in Praia da Luz, Portugal where the McCann family were staying when Madeleine, then three, was abducted in May 2007
'Thus far there has been no formal review of the material held by the police authorities.'
This afternoon they made a personal appeal to David Cameron to assist them.
Referring to the tragic death of the Prime Minister's son Ivan, Gerry told a London press conference: 'he has suffered his own loss' as a father.

A spokesman for David Cameron said he would do 'all he can' to assist the McCanns.
'The Prime Minister met Kate and Gerry McCann while he was Leader of the Opposition, and he has followed their plight very closely,' he said.

'He and the Home Secretary want to make sure the Government does all it can to help them'.

Four year search: Kate and Gerry held a marathon round of interviews today as they launched a fresh information appeal four years after Maddie, then three, vanished
In her new book, serialised in The Sun, Mrs McCann told of her fear that the ‘lovely’ sight of Madeleine in a new outfit may have tempted someone to kidnap her.
She said the pink smock top and shorts were bought specially for the family holiday in Praia da Luz.
Her final photo of her daughter shows her wearing the new outfit and sitting with Mr McCann, 42, and younger sister Amelie by the pool just hours before she disappeared.

In an extract from the book, Mrs McCann described Madeleine’s Monsoon shorts and Gap smock, saying: ‘A small extravagance, perhaps, but I’d pictured how lovely she would look in them and I was right.’
She adds: ‘I was following her with my eyes admiring her. I wonder now, the nausea rising in my throat, if someone else was doing the same.’

Mrs McCann told The Sun that she and Gerry remain convinced their daughter is still alive, and cannot give up just because she has been missing for four years.

She said: ‘Certainly in my heart I feel she is out there. We’ve never given up on finding her. What parent would give up on their child?’
Plea: Kate and Gerry McCann will today make a fresh appeal for help in the four-year-old hunt for Madeleine. There is a clip from their interview with Piers Morgan below
The McCanns insist there is no evidence to say Madeleine is dead, and so they have to assume she is not.
They have embarked on a marathon round of TV appearances to rekindle worldwide interest, including an hour-long interview with Piers Morgan, televised in the U.S. last night.

Mr and Mrs McCann cling to examples of children being returned home many years after going missing, such as American Jaycee Dugard, abducted at 11 in California and freed aged 18.

The couple have also drawn inspiration from meeting another girl, Elizabeth Smart, who was snatched from her home in Salt Lake City, Utah, at the age of 14 and found after a year.

Pre-order sales of Mrs McCann’s book mean it has already topped the bestseller list on Amazon.co.uk.
All profits will go to the Find Madeleine fund, which employs a team of private detectives to comb through clues, and funds a hotline to gather information.
Happy times: Images released by the McCanns of Madeleine before she disappeared in May 2007. Today they will launch a fresh appeal for help in the investigation as a new book is launched

Distraught: Kate McCann, pictured with her husband in November 2010, has told of her fear that the sight of Madeleine in a new outfit may have tempted someone to kidnap her
Whirlwind: Kate and Gerry McCann speak to Lorraine Kelly this morning as they begin a new round of television interviews on Madeleine's eighth birthday
In her book, Mrs McCann also reveals that her family nearly chose to holiday at Center Parcs in the UK before making the fateful decision to switch to the Algarve instead.

‘It was the first in a series of apparently minor decisions I would give anything to change now,’ she says.

During the CNN interview, the McCanns were asked why they had not hired a nanny to look after their three children while they went out for dinner with friends.

Mr McCann replied: ‘It’s not a question of money. Child abduction is so rare. It didn’t enter our head.’

For details of ways to donate to the Find Madeleine fund, visit www.findmadeleine.com.
McCANNS APPEAL TO DAVID CAMERON FOR HELP IN HUNT FOR MISSING GIRL
Appeal: David Cameron
Here is the full text of Kate and Gerry McCann's letter to Prime Minister David Cameron, as published in the Sun:

Dear Prime Minister

As a devoted father and family man, you know the importance of children. Our beloved eldest child, Madeleine, was abducted from Praia da Luz, Portugal, four years ago. Since then, we have devoted all our energies to ensuring her safe return.

Today we are asking you - and the British and Portuguese governments - to help find Madeleine and bring her back to her loving family.

We live in hope that Madeleine will be found alive and returned to us. One call might be all that is needed to lead to Madeleine and her abductor.

To this end, we are seeking a joint INDEPENDENT, TRANSPARENT and COMPREHENSIVE review of ALL information held in relation to Madeleine's disappearance. Thus far, there has been NO formal review of the material held by the police authorities - which is routine practice in most major unsolved crimes.

It is not right that a young vulnerable British citizen has essentially been given up on. This remains an unsolved case of a missing child. Children are our most precious gift.

Please don't give up on Madeleine.

Kate & Gerry McCann


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'On the night I just remember the twins lying in the cot and not moving - with lights going on and people moving around.

'There was a lot of noise and they just didn't move and I remember several times checking for chest movements. I did feel it was a bit strange that they were not moving let alone waking up.




I find this totally unbelievable. She thought it A bit strange. Surely as a trained doctor, knowing the consequences, she should have rushed them to hospital to get them checked out. They could have stopped breathing at any time.

Sedation was the field of her expertise was it not? She is trained to sedate people, that was her job. She had NO IDEA what drugs those twins may have been given, whether the drugs were lethal or not, whether they were dirty and cut with other substances that could have killed them.

In my opinion those twins were drugged, but not by an abductor.

littlepixie wrote:Sedation was the field of her expertise was it not? She is trained to sedate people, that was her job. She had NO IDEA what drugs those twins may have been given, whether the drugs were lethal or not, whether they were dirty and cut with other substances that could have killed them.

In my opinion those twins were drugged, but not by an abductor.

Hi littlepixie,

I really can't see how an abductor could possibly sedate a child in those circmstances.. You would have to wake them up to give them a pill. Giving them an injection would certainly wake them up. The third way, as some have suggested chloroform, would leave a lingering smell in the apartment. Of course, some say that the considerate abductor opened the window to let the fumes out before he left.

Indeed. This is one of the more nonsensical - sorry, ludicrous - things the McCanns have come up with, and given that she was an anaesthetist it is beyond belief. Also beyond belief is why someone doesn't ask her the questions, but we have grown used to the craven press over the past 4 years.
As you say, tablets and liquids by mouth, (or per anywhere else) are out of the question. Injections, (for all three !) equally ludicrous.
So we are left with gas. The equally ludicrous Edgar suggested chloroform and we went over this years ago.
• The smell lingers for hours, if not days, and Kate would have identified it immediately.
• It burns the mouth and nose, and incidentally gasses the user.
• Gerry and the other GPs who entered the apartment would also have identified it, as can anyone who has done O level chemistry.
• The children would have been roused and marched round in the open air to ventilate their lungs at the very least.
Kate knows that, as does Gerry and all the others.
They did not do it, and did not refer to it in their statements. Therefore, on this occasion we can believe them.
There was no chloroform, nor ether, nor any other anaesthetic gas used in that apartment.
Therefore - it is simply not possible for an intruder to have drugged any of the children. Not possible at all.
Not for an intruder .....

Because.. possibly....
They knew that the amount they themselves had given was OK. Kate's own father dropped them in it when he said they used Calpol.
That leaves open whether on a previous occasion Madeleine had inadvertently been given two doses, one by each, and each unknown to the other. A genuine accidental overdose, in fact, to stop the pain caused by a genuine accident perhaps.
I don't know. I am merely speculating on a best fit to the tiny amount of evidence we have been given

tiny wrote:so why didnt they take the twins straight to the hospital ,

Not only that, they turned down the offer of having the twins checked out.

Can you imagine if it had happened in the UK and not in Portugal. No way would they have been alllowed to refuse the twins medical treatment. Social services would have been called and the children would have been taken away and taken to hospital by a social worker.

It doesn't make sense how they were allowed to refuse this and that, Doctors or not.

littlepixie wrote:Can you imagine if it had happened in the UK and not in Portugal. No way would they have been alllowed to refuse the twins medical treatment. Social services would have been called and the children would have been taken away and taken to hospital by a social worker.

It doesn't make sense how they were allowed to refuse this and that, Doctors or not.

I agree, but they had help from the Brits very early on.

According to Kate, Gerry said "We're finished. Our lives are over"

Then all of a sudden, once certain Brits flew out to help them, they are mortgage-free millionaires.

Job done.

ufercoffy wrote:EDIT According to Kate, Gerry said "We're finished. Our lives are over"
Then all of a sudden, once certain Brits flew out to help them, they are mortgage-free millionaires.
Job done.

A very strange thing to say when you have two children to look after.
Did he mean their 'professional lives' ?

PeterMac wrote:

ufercoffy wrote:EDIT According to Kate, Gerry said "We're finished. Our lives are over"
Then all of a sudden, once certain Brits flew out to help them, they are mortgage-free millionaires.
Job done.

A very strange thing to say when you have two children to look after.
Did he mean their 'professional lives' ?

Who knows with these two, PeterMac? I assume he meant their 'professional lives', but then Kate McCann has said about their 'personal lives' that she wished they would all die in a motorway crash

What kind of mother would wish her two remaining children to die after her first born went 'missing'?

kate gets mad she smashs furniture the case about to re-open pressure back on will she crack again what if she carries out her next suidcidel plan for the whole family waht about the twins shes like a time bomb that could blow dangerous

The twins sleep through lights being switched on, Kate howling whilst kicking and punching walls, lots of people in & out of the small apartment, people making phone calls etc etc. She thinks they may have been drugged!! Why did she not have them examined straight away? Why did Madeleine stay sleeping even though she is supposedly taken from her bed and carried through a window into the cold night air? Kate states herself that the so called kidnapper only had a small window of time to do all this and yet still in his hurry he managed to leave not one single clue! Seems more like the twins & Madeleine were given something by the parents to make them sleep after being told the night before that she had woken up and was crying for them. There have been so many different stories told from that night re locked/unlocked doors & jemmied/untouched windows. Is it any wonder Kate that no one believes a word either of you say?

see the entries under "sedation of Twins" on the research thread.

Thanks for pointing me to the 'sedation of twins' PeterMac. I found it very interesting reading and very strange behaviour from two doctors. I'm new to this forum and am still finding my way around..

One of the problems of this forum is that things get mixed up. We rep;ly to a point and the thread goes off at tngent. Ic can be very dificult to find an entry again, since the seach engine seems only to search on headings
To the Site Manager
Can something be one about this ? The site itself is a valuable research tool, with many hundreds of video links and photos, but it can be frustrating to try to find an individual item.

PeterMac wrote:One of the problems of this forum is that things get mixed up. We rep;ly to a point and the thread goes off at tngent. Ic can be very dificult to find an entry again, since the seach engine seems only to search on headings
To the Site Manager
Can something be one about this ? The site itself is a valuable research tool, with many hundreds of video links and photos, but it can be frustrating to try to find an individual item.

Are you referring to the 'search facility' itself or the way I've organised the forum which makes things hard to find?

If it's the search facility then it would seem to be a bugbear of all forumotion members that the search facilitiy is pants. People do seem to have requested a better search facility but it's fallen on deaf ears

If there is something you want me to do with the organisation of the forum, then please let me know how you (or anyone else for that matter) would like to see it improved.

http://help.forumotion.com/t31353-another-suggestion-for-better-search-function?highlight=search+facility

http://help.forumotion.com/search?search_keywords=search+facility

I don't understand the complications, but this is a good example.
I posted a reply about drugging the children as a reponse to a question on an unrelated thread, and the thread then moved off in a different direction.
Somneone else wanted to talk about it, started a new thread with a correct and helpful title, and I then couldn't find my own entries to post again.
It took a long time of trial and error to find the original discussion between me and IJ.

i don't know what the answer is. Perhaps a search facility which can pick up individuals' contributions to threads would be a start. Then I could have simply copied my previous responses onto the right thread, if you follow that rather rambling explanation.

PeterMac wrote:I don't understand the complications, but this is a good example.
I posted a reply about drugging the children as a reponse to a question on an unrelated thread, and the thread then moved off in a different direction.
Somneone else wanted to talk about it, started a new thread with a correct and helpful title, and I then couldn't find my own entries to post again.
It took a long time of trial and error to find the original discussion between me and IJ.

i don't know what the answer is. Perhaps a search facility which can pick up individuals' contributions to threads would be a start. Then I could have simply copied my previous responses onto the right thread, if you follow that rather rambling explanation.

Probably what you need to do then is to search your own posts til you find the entry that you want or to search LJ's posts - just click on either your, or LJ's, name and go into 'statistics' and then 'find all posts by PeterMac or LJ'. Once you've found what you're looking for it will take you to the relevant thread.

As long as you know which username you want to search then it is the best way of finding individuals' contributions to certain threads. Hope that helps.

I shall try that. When I put my own name in it only gave me the threads I had started. I clearly need to learn how to manipulate it.
I should ask Mitche££. He is a specialist at manipulation !

It works !
Many thanks for the help
Peter

Hi PeterMac, you have to click posts iso topics.
I know I am helping this thread OT now, but I have never been able the search function at all. The only thing I got to work is the "all post by username", is that correct?