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Post by Avery on 27.12.09 17:11

tyra wrote:
@Tony Bennett wrote:
tyra wrote:He wasn't a spin doctor for the government he was monitoring the media not manipulating the media
The name 'Media Monitoring Unit' disguises the unit's true purpose, much as the Soviet Union's 'Ministry of Truth' was in reality the Ministry for Propaganda.

You may not be aware of it, tyra, but the statement 'Our job is to control what comes out in the media' is a direct quotation from Clarence Mitchell himself.

He knew what his job was, all right.

And he did it well.

Hate to be a link nazi but when did he say that and what was it in relation to, as this thread shows he has had a few jobs, what was he referring to when he made this statement?

If you hate to be a link nazi then don't be one. That quote is in the records so go do the searching yourself. You might learn a few things reading the files.
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Post by Guest on 27.12.09 17:16

@Avery wrote:
tyra wrote:
@Tony Bennett wrote:
tyra wrote:He wasn't a spin doctor for the government he was monitoring the media not manipulating the media
The name 'Media Monitoring Unit' disguises the unit's true purpose, much as the Soviet Union's 'Ministry of Truth' was in reality the Ministry for Propaganda.

You may not be aware of it, tyra, but the statement 'Our job is to control what comes out in the media' is a direct quotation from Clarence Mitchell himself.

He knew what his job was, all right.

And he did it well.

Hate to be a link nazi but when did he say that and what was it in relation to, as this thread shows he has had a few jobs, what was he referring to when he made this statement?

If you hate to be a link nazi then don't be one. That quote is in the records so go do the searching yourself. You might learn a few things reading the files.
When you say "records" are you meaning that it is in the official police files? Or somewhere else?
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Post by Guest on 27.12.09 17:17

@Avery wrote:
tyra wrote:
@Tony Bennett wrote:
tyra wrote:He wasn't a spin doctor for the government he was monitoring the media not manipulating the media
The name 'Media Monitoring Unit' disguises the unit's true purpose, much as the Soviet Union's 'Ministry of Truth' was in reality the Ministry for Propaganda.

You may not be aware of it, tyra, but the statement 'Our job is to control what comes out in the media' is a direct quotation from Clarence Mitchell himself.

He knew what his job was, all right.

And he did it well.

Hate to be a link nazi but when did he say that and what was it in relation to, as this thread shows he has had a few jobs, what was he referring to when he made this statement?

If you hate to be a link nazi then don't be one. That quote is in the records so go do the searching yourself. You might learn a few things reading the files.

This is not in the files otherwise I would know where it came from *sigh*, it is clearly something taken presumeably from the media and obviously I did try and find it first but common bloody decency and general politeness dictates that if someone brings a quote to the table to make a point then they should be able to provide the context for it... sheesh. Give me a break, it's like debating with 5 year olds sometimes, I'm sure mr bennett is big enough and ugly enough to defend his own assertions without needing a helping hand from one of his pets.
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The meeting between DCI Roe, Essex Police and Tony Bennett, 17 Dec 2009 - Page 3 Empty That Madeleine Foundation leaflet about Clarence Mitchell - UNEXPURGATED

Post by Tony Bennett on 27.12.09 17:28

@Avery wrote:If you hate to be a link nazi then don't be one. That quote is in the records so go do the searching yourself. You might learn a few things reading the files.
Avery, I am in full agreement, however, the original source for the quote is not that easy to find.

Mitchell said it on 29 September 2007 in an interview with Espresso.

However, this gives me the opportunity to reproduce in full the leaflet The Madeleine Foundation handed out about Clarence Mitchell in February and March 2009 in Oxford in advance of his talk to a dozen or so people at the Oxford Union on 6 March 2009:

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OXFORD UNION: 6th March

On 6th March 2009, at the Oxford Union, one of the invited speakers is Clarence Mitchell.

Who is this man, and what is his track record?

THE SAYINGS OF CLARENCE MITCHELL - A MASTER MEDIA MANIPULATOR

Carlos Anjos, head of the Portuguese police professional association, who had dealings with Clarence Mitchell, said of him: “He lies with as many teeth as he has in his mouth”.

Clarence Mitchell in his own words, on 29 September 2007 to Espresso: “I was the head of the government's Media Monitoring Unit. Forty people work there and their function is to control what comes out in the media."

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CLARENCE MITCHELL’S CAREER

Clarence Mitchell’s media career began in the late 1980s as a BBC regional reporter in Leeds. He moved to London where for a while he covered stories about the Royals. A 2007 article on the BBC website by Laurie Margolis about Clarence Mitchell’s BBC career says: “Clarence was also a presenter on various BBC news programmes, and may have been looking to make that his main career. But the presenting world is a precarious and capricious one, and he never quite made it. Once, I was working throughout the night. Clarence was presenting hourly bulletins on BBC News 24. He did the 1am, and the 2am, but at 3am a slightly dishevelled looking producer appeared doing the news. It turned out Clarence closed his eyes, sleeping through the 3am bulletin. Clarence left the BBC suddenly, making a move into the Labour government as Director of its Media Monitoring Unit [Central Office of Information].

There, his job was to ‘correct’ bad media stories about the government and to put out the government line”. A ‘spinner’, as some would call it, or ‘a professional liar’ as others describe the role. In May 2007 he was suddenly seconded to the Foreign Office to work for the McCanns’ public relations team, alongside their own spokeswoman Justine McGuiness. In September 2007, in an unusual move, he was allowed to resign from the civil service to become the McCanns’ full-time spokesman, on £75,000 a year. He remains in that role, though he has been employed for the last few months by another PR agency, Freud International.

‘AN ANGEL OF DEATH’

Margolis also noted Clarence Mitchell’s strange association with controversial murder cases: “He was closely involved with the Fred and Rosemary West case, where a murderous couple had killed young girls and buried the bodies under their patio in Gloucester. He was one of the first reporters to arrive at Gowan Avenue, Fulham in south west London, when the immensely popular BBC TV presenter Jill Dando was shot dead in a murder many feel has never been satisfactorily explained”. Mitchell also covered in depth the arrest and conviction of mass-murderer Dennis Nilson.

When Paula Yates’ partner Michael Hutchance died in mysterious circumstances in the Ritz Carlton Hotel in Sydney, Australia, in 1999, Clarence Mitchell was despatched to cover the death; more recently, in a story he worked on right up to the day he left the BBC, Clarence led coverage of the murder of the Surrey schoolgirl Millie Dowler in 2002. The case has never been solved. Mitchell has also written books on the Fred & Rosemary West and Jill Dando cases. He also reported extensively on the murder by Ian Huntley of Soham girls Jessica Chapman and Holly Wells. On 9 January this year, the Independent ran a brief article titled: ‘Remember Clarence Mitchell?’ It said:

“Clarence Mitchell, formerly of the BBC and now spokesman for Madeleine McCann’s parents, has developed a nice little niche as a spin doctor of misery. First he took on Fiona MacKeown, mother of teenager Scarlet Kelling, who was murdered in Goa. Then he started representing the parents of murdered London teenager Jimmy Mizen. And today we’ve discovered that Mr Mitchell is also speaking for the wife of Jeremy Hoyland, the British jet skier who went missing off the coast of Bali last October. Mr Mitchell is not charging for his services. But his presence can hardly be reassuring - the PR equivalent of an angel of death”.

CLARENCE MITCHELL & THE MADELEINE McCANN CASE

Clarence Mitchell has achieved much in the Madeleine McCann case. He played the key role in arranging for the McCanns to meet the Pope on 28 May 2007, just 25 days after Madeleine McCann was reported missing. A man with connections at the highest level, Clarence Mitchell openly boasted in a TV interview that it was he who arranged, via Roman Catholic Archbishop Cormac Murphy O’Connor, for the McCanns to visit the Pope - in what was a highly publicised visit.

The Pope put pages of material about the McCanns and Madeleine on his website. But two days before the McCanns were made arguidos - ‘provisional suspects’ - in September 2007, the Pope wiped all references to Madeleine from his website. Margolis wrote in 2007: “I would imagine Clarence is content in his new role as the family's voice. He's centre stage on a huge story, intimately involved as ever, and on television and in the papers all the time. It was extraordinary how, last week, his intervention seemed to eliminate within hours any misgiving about the McCanns in the British media”.

Who has been paying Clarence Mitchell’s salary whilst he has been working for the McCanns? This remains a mystery. We know that up to September 2007, the British government paid his salary. He left the government that month. Since then, the McCanns and Mitchell have said on the record that the ‘Helping to Find Madeleine Fund’ has not paid any part of his salary.

They say that he was paid by ‘an anonymous backer’. But Clarence Mitchell won’t say who that backer is, nor why that backer is giving him so much support. [UPDATE: In an article in the Independent on Sunday, 1 March 2009, Mitchell has contradicted previous claims that his salary was being paid by an anonymous backer. He now says he gets a retainer of £28,000 a year from the Helping to Find Madeleine Fund, donations to which were given to ‘help find Madeleine’, not pay the salaries of PR professionals].

Clarence Mitchell and the McCanns: 21 Issues of Concern

Here we examine 21 of the many issues that have caused people concern about Mitchell’s role in the Madeleine McCann case. At the end of our leaflet we explain how to obtain more information on the Madeleine McCann case, including our 60-page booklet: ‘What Really Happened to Madeleine McCann? - 60 Reasons which suggest she was not abducted’.

1. Allegedly being involved in tipping off the McCanns that the Portuguese police had been, or were going to, track their e-mails and ’phone calls

The McCanns were tipped off that the Portuguese police were monitoring their e-mails and ’phone calls. There was naturally concern over how this information leaked to them. A former Portuguese police officer has admitted working for the Spanish private detective agency, Metodo 3. He in turn had an inside contact in the Portuguese police who supplied Metodo 3 with information about the investigation. Clarence Mitchell was asked in an interview by Simon Israel on Channel 4 how the McCanns were tipped off. He refused to answer.

2. Being forced to deny the McCanns’ initial claim of a break-in

On the evening that Madeleine was reported missing, the McCanns claimed an abductor had broken into the children’s room by ‘jemmying open the shutters’. They repeated that claim many times - a claim the media reported extensively. But the managers of the Mark Warners resort where the McCanns were staying, and the police, soon discovered that the shutters had not been tampered with. This forcing the McCanns to dramatically change their story - one of many changes of story - to say: ‘the abductor must have walked in through an unlocked patio door”. Asked about this discrepancy, Mitchell was forced to concede on the record: “There was no evidence of a break-in. I'm not going into the detail, but I can say that Kate and Gerry are firmly of the view that somebody got into the apartment and took Madeleine out the window as their means of escape. To do that they did not necessarily have to tamper with anything. They got out of the window fairly easily”. It is however most unlikley that an abductor could have ‘got out of the window easily’ leaving no forensic trace.

3. Smearing Robert Murat

A curious feature of the Madeleine case was the targeting of Robert Murat, a dual Portuguese-British citizen, as a suspect. A journalist who worked closely with Clarence Mitchell, Lori Campbell, suspected Murat of involvement in Madeleine’s disappearance and reported him to the Police. Three of the McCanns’ close friends, the so-called ‘Tapas 7’, also reported seeing Robert Murat close to the McCanns’ apartment the evening Madeleine went missing, a claim he denied. The McCann camp made a concerted attempt, for whatever reason, to smear Murat. Clarence Mitchell himself played a key role in this:

He said: “An outcome similar to Holly and Jessica [Soham children murdered by Ian Huntley] is possible. I don't want to, and I can't, talk about Robert Murat, but some journalists who worked with me in Soham, and that were now in Portugal, saw resemblances between that case and Robert Murat. And I won't say more”. He was very lucky that Murat did not sue him for libel, since in 2008 Robert Murat collected a reported £550,000 in libel damages from news media and journalists whom he claimed had smeared and libelled him.

4. Being forced to retract his claim that ‘Madeleine is probably dead’

During early 2008, Clarence Mitchell was forced to concede that ‘Madeleine is probably dead’. This caused grave embarrassment for the McCanns, who were determined publicly to maintain that Madeleine was still alive. His statement could also have had serious implications for the Fund, which can only continue to operate and keep asking for donations on this premise. Dr Gerald McCann was forced to publicly rebuke his PR chief by insisting on his blog two days later that they remained hopeful that Madeleine was still alive.

5. Failing to explain that the ‘Helping to Find Madeleine Fund’ was not a charity
Interviewed by James Whale, Mitchell repeatedly refused to correct Whale when he referred to the McCanns’ fund as a ‘charity’. In fact, the Helping to Find Madeleine Fund is registered as a ‘private trust’; its aims are not charitable and include making payments to the McCanns.

6. Asking people to send money in envelopes to ‘Gerry and Kate, Rothley’

Asked on the same James Whale show how people could contribute to the fund, Mitchell said: “Just put money into an envelope and send to Kate and Gerry McCann, Rothley, it’ll get there”. That was unprofessional - monies should have been directed to the registered office for the Fund, namely London Solicitors Bates, Wells & Braithwaite. For example, monies sent in the post could be stolen en route or would not be properly accounted for.

7. Claiming that the Fund was ‘independently controlled’

Pressed about control of the ‘Helping to Find Madeleine Fund’, Clarence Mitchell claimed that the Fund was ‘independently controlled’. This is untrue. The Trust’s Directors consist mainly of members of the McCann family and their friends or acquaintances.

8. Retreating on whether or not the McCanns would take a lie detector test

The McCanns were anxious to convince the world that they were telling the truth about how Madeleine had suddenly gone missing. To bolster their claim, Clarence Mitchell announced: “Kate and Gerry McCann would have no issue with taking a lie detector test”. However, two months later, he announced: "Of course they are not going to take any lie detector test”.

9. Making a film for TV about the McCanns’ distress ‘one year on’ whilst at the same time claiming the McCanns were not doing so

Clarence Mitchell told the media: “The McCanns don't want to do anything about 'woe is us a year on'. That is what the tabloids would like us to do, but we are not following their agenda, we are following our own agenda” (one of many references to ‘our agenda’). Weeks later, there was a two-hour long pre-recorded TV interview: ‘Madeleine McCann - One Year On’, clearly prepared long before his public statement, and certainly with his personal knowledge.

10. Issuing a ‘Crimewatch’-style video clip with a description of an abductor

It has always been the McCanns who have given out descriptions of a possible abductor. The Portuguese police from early on doubted the truthfulness of claims by Jane Tanner, one of the McCanns’ ‘Tapas 7’ friends, that she had seen an abductor. In early 2008, Clarence Mitchell announced that the McCann team were looking for a moustachioed man seen in Praia da Luz around the time Madeleine went missing. He did this in a widely-shown video clip in which he acted like a Crimewatch presenter. At a meeting at the London School of Economics on 30 January 2008, this performance, plus his commanding stance and choice of words, prompted one member of the LSE audience to ask: “Are you the police?” There was much laughter.

11. Claiming that “…whatever the Portuguese police might find in their investigation, the McCanns will have an innocent explanation for it”

To this bizarre statement, Mitchell added the equally strange comment: “There are wholly innocent explanations for any material that the police may or may not have found”, prompting many to ask: “How could the McCanns and Clarence Mitchell know in advance what the police might find and know that there would be ‘an innocent explanation’ for everything?

12. Claiming it didn’t matter if Dr Kate McCann changed her clothes on 3 May

One of the key issues in the Madeleine McCann case is whether the McCanns and their ‘Tapas 7’ friends have been telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth about the events of 3 May 2007, the day Madeleine was reported missing. In late 2008, a French journalist, Duarte Levy, claimed to have seen photos taken that evening conclusively proving that Dr Kate McCann had left the table during the evening and changed her clothes. That would blow a hole in her claim that she was at the Tapas bar the whole evening. She would have had to explain why she changed her clothes. Mitchell’s official response to these claims was: “So what if she did leave the table and change her clothes?” He refused to elaborate.

13. Saying that ‘none of the Tapas group’ were wearing watches the night Madeleine went missing - and then being forced to retract that statement

Clarence Mitchell had come under pressure from journalists to explain why there were so many major contradictions between the McCanns’ and the Tapas 7’s versions of events on 3 May 2007, when Madeleine ‘disappeared’. There were also many discrepancies in their timelines. Mitchell tried to explain, responding: “None of them were wearing watches or had mobile phones on them that night”. Those journalists then confronted him with the sheer unlikelihood that all nine had neither watch nor mobile ’phone, pointed out that the McCanns and others had used their mobile ’phones that night, and produced pictures of the McCanns and their Tapas 7 friends taken in Praia da Luz that week which showed that they were always wearing watches. Clarence Mitchell was forced into an embarrassing retreat, conceding: “Some of them were wearing watches and had mobile ’phones, some of them weren’t”. It is also now known from the McCanns’ statements to the Police, which have been publicly released, that the McCanns both had mobile ’phones with them that evening. As their official spokesman, Mitchell must surely have been briefed on this before he made his statement.

14. Falsely claiming that the McCanns had been ‘utterly honest and utterly open’

On 11 April 2008, Clarence Mitchell made this bold claim: “Kate and Gerry have been utterly honest and utterly open with the police and all of their statements from the moment that Madeleine was taken”. He later said, referring to himself and the McCanns: ‘We have nothing to hide’. When addressing a largely student audience during what were called ‘The Coventry Conversations’, Mitchell said: “We are always willing to co-operate with the Portuguese police”. These were astounding claims to make given that…
· Dr Kate McCann was asked 48 questions by the Portuguese police when interviewed on 7 September 2007 and refused to answer any of them.
· The McCanns had refused point blank to take part in a reconstruction of the events of 3 May 2007, the night Madeleine McCann was reported missing.
· The McCanns’ statements contained changes of story, contradictions with the accounts of others, evasions and obfuscations.

15. Claiming it would be ‘hugely entertaining’ to devise a cast list for a proposed film about Madeleine going missing

On 7 January 2008 it was widely reported in the media that the McCanns and their advisers were in talks with media and film moguls IMG, who made the film ‘Touching the Void’, about a possible film about Madeleine’s disappearance. Clarence Mitchell was asked whether Gerry and Kate would play themselves in any film or if their roles would be played by celebrity actors. He said: “It may be hugely entertaining and a bit of fun to speculate on a cast list, but we are a million miles away from that sort of thing”. On another occasion, he said of Madeleine: “If she is dead, she is dead”. These and other comments made some wonder how much ‘feel’ or concern for Madeleine’s welfare and fate Mitchell really had.

16. Claiming it was a British cultural custom for parents to put children to bed early so they could enjoy the rest of the evening

Interviewed by Irish TV station RTE, Clarence Mitchell tried to explain why the McCanns left three young children under four on their own, several nights in a row, whilst on holiday, and out for the evening wining and dining. He told his TV audience: “There is a cultural difference between Britain and Portugal. It is a British approach to get your children washed, bathed and in bed early in the evening, if you can, so you can have something of the evening to yourself. That’s the British way of doing things. It doesn't mean it's wrong. It doesn't mean it's right”. Many British parents objected strongly to Mitchell’s description of them..

17. Trying to deny that the McCanns had left the children alone every night

In an interview with Jon Gaunt of TalkSport, Clarence Mitchell was trying to explain why the McCanns had left their children alone ‘that night’ (i.e. the night of 3 May when Madeleine was reported missing). He was quickly corrected by Gaunt who reminded him: ‘But they left them alone every night’. Mitchell had no answer.

18. Blaming Romany gypsies for abducting Madeleine

Clarence Mitchell on one occasion pointed the finger of suspicion at Romany gypsies for having abducted Madeleine. It appeared he had no basis whatsoever for smearing this group of people. He has never apologised for making it.

19. Using an image of Mari Luz without her parents’ permission

Months after Madeleine went missing, another child, Mari Luz, went missing, though in very different circumstances. Sadly she has since been found dead. The McCanns printed posters of Madeleine together with Mari Luz - without gaining the parents’ prior permission. Her parents were very upset, and complained. Clarence Mitchell reacted by stating: “It’s a shame that they are complaining about us in a press release. How can they be angry with is for wanting to help when all we’re trying to do is find their own daughter?”

20. Being ‘encouraged’ that Madeleine ‘may have been abducted by paedophiles’

In early 2008, stories were put about by an unknown Portuguese lawyer, Marcos Alexandre Aragao Correia, that Madeleine McCann had been abducted by paedophiles, raped, murdered and her body dumped in a dammed lake. At the time, a new drawing of a possible abductor was released, and part of the Arade Dam was searched. A friend of the McCanns was quoted as saying: “We fear that a group of two or three paedophiles may have been fishing around the apartments, casing them with a view to taking children". Mitchell then commented:

“Developments such as this give Mr and Mrs McCann renewed hope. That is exactly the sort of call we want. We think the image is of such a quality that anyone who knows him will be able to identify him. Kate and Gerry are quite buoyant at the moment - every time we do something like this and move things forward it gives them strength. We’re very encouraged by this - putting all this information out, these images out, is helping Gerry and Kate in one way; simply by doing it we have got some momentum and are pushing the agenda forward on our side of the equation”. Many asked why Mitchell and the McCanns could use such words as ‘buoyant’ and ‘encouraged’ in relation to Madeleine’s having been raped and murdered. The use of the word ‘agenda’ once again prompted the question: What was their ‘agenda’?

21. Explaining why the McCanns deliberately left their three children alone again the night after Madeleine and Sean had been crying the night before

On SKY News, Clarence Mitchell was interviewed, following a pre-recorded interview with the McCanns in which they admitted, for the first time, that two of their children had been crying on the night before Madeleine went missing. There was public outrage that the McCanns were told by their children that they had been crying the previous night whilst they were out wining and dining, only to then leave them alone again the very next night. The SKY News presenter asked: “Why did Kate and Gerry choose to leave the children the same way the very next night?” Clarence Mitchell’s reply is instructive. Here it is in full:

“That is one interpretation. Let me put it in context. On the morning of May the 3rd, the day Madeleine later went missing, she came out, and said to Gerry and Kate at breakfast, very briefly as an aside, in no way was she unhappy or crying and then, in no way was she reprimanding her parents as some reports papers have wrongly, er, said. She simply said: “Why didn’t you come see - come and see me and Sean when we were crying, last night?”, and Kate and Gerry were puzzled by that, because in their checks - they had been checking her every 25/30 minutes, the same as they did the next night, when she went missing - they had found nothing to suggest that she was in any way distressed or upset, they found her asleep each time. There was nothing wrong. Rachel Oldfield, one of their friends, was in the apartment next door, in the room adjacent to Madeleine’s bedroom.

“She too was there all evening and heard no crying through the walls. There was nothing to suggest this had happened. So it was a puzzle to Kate and Gerry when Madeleine mentioned it. They tried to question her about it, and she just walked off laughing, and, er, happy, she was [note the past tense] a child and she and, and so, so she dropped it. Now they of course had a serious discussion about what had possibly gone wrong and they decided to check her more thoroughly that next night, and that’s what they did. And in the context of what happened later - her disappearance - they felt that that conversation, puzzling as it was, was very important to bring to the police’s attention. They wonder why, if she cried, why she cried. Was something, or someone already in that room to make her cry and they fled when she cried? Who knows? They can’t prove that, but they told the police in confidence - legally protected documentation has been in those files for 11 months - and why does it appear on the very day they were at the European Parliament? Somebody in the police doesn’t want Kate and Gerry to widen the agenda [that word again!], for whatever reason. It’s wrong. It’s illegal, and the Portuguese government needs to stop this…from happening in the future” [NOTE: The ‘leak’ came from a Spanish journalist known to be very sympathetic to the McCanns].

During this long reply, we see the master media manipulator at work. He makes light of two children crying while their parents were not with them. He justifies the McCanns’ decision to go out wining and dining and leaving all three children alone again the very night after the children told them of their crying. He claims, without evidence, that the Police leaked the story about the McCanns’ children crying on their own the night before. He claims the police have done something illegal. Some might admire him as a master of his craft, and indeed one writer has already said that the McCanns’ public relations campaign will for years to come be a textbook example of how to control the media and manipulate public opinion. But, we may ask, if this is true, whose interests has Clarence Mitchell been serving? Is he someone who helps us get to the truth? Or someone who does his best to stop us getting to the truth?

MORE INFORMATION

· “What Really Happened to Madeleine McCann? - 60 Reasons which suggest she was not abducted”, by Tony Bennett, a 60-page booklet [REST SNIPPED DUE TO HIGH COURT UNDERTAKING - T.B.]

· There’s also a wealth of information about the McCann case at www.mccannfiles.org - and at www.madeleinemccann.org

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Published by The Madeleine Foundation, 66 Chippingfield, HARLOW, Essex, CM17 0DJ Tel: 01279 635789 e-mail: ajsbennett@btinternet.com February 2009
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The meeting between DCI Roe, Essex Police and Tony Bennett, 17 Dec 2009 - Page 3 Empty Direct from the pro-McCann 'charm school' handbook

Post by Tony Bennett on 27.12.09 17:30

tyra wrote:I'm sure Mr Bennett is big enough and ugly enough to defend his own assertions without needing a helping hand from one of his pets.
Direct from the pro-McCann 'charm school' handbook!
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Post by Guest on 27.12.09 17:31

It's kind of you to give free advertising Mr B, but wasn't the mccann files under order to shut up shop or get carter rucked like you were?

Or is it Pamalams I am thinking of that is about to be carter rucked right up where the sun doesnt shine? thinking
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The meeting between DCI Roe, Essex Police and Tony Bennett, 17 Dec 2009 - Page 3 Empty Tyra, the quote came from the Expresso, September 27, 2007

Post by Jolie on 27.12.09 17:32

I found the reference on Clarence Mitchell's specific quote on a blog article published by Joana Morais:

http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2009/03/clarence-mitchell-mccanns-spokesman.html
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Post by Guest on 27.12.09 17:33

@Tony Bennett wrote:

Mitchell said it on 29 September 2009 in an interview with Espresso.



What was the context, in september 2009 I am speculating that he was being asked about his position with the Mccanns rather than his previous position with MMU, however, you appeared to suggest in your post where you produced the quote that his comment was made in relation to the MMU, so which was it please?

I know details are not really your thing but I'm a bit of a stickler for them. TIA.
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Post by Guest on 27.12.09 17:34

@Tony Bennett wrote:
tyra wrote:I'm sure Mr Bennett is big enough and ugly enough to defend his own assertions without needing a helping hand from one of his pets.
Direct from the pro-McCann 'charm school' handbook!

it's a common saying mr bennett I'm sure you will have heard before or even used it yourself from time to time.
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Post by Bea_Reasonable on 27.12.09 17:34

@Tony Bennett wrote:
tyra wrote:I'm sure Mr Bennett is big enough and ugly enough to defend his own assertions without needing a helping hand from one of his pets.
Direct from the pro-McCann 'charm school' handbook!

Just balancing the scales here Mr Bennett but one of your own little followers has a rather offensive vocabulary which she maturely uses to twist other's user names into swear words. Would that be direct from the pitchforker's handbook?
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Post by Guest on 27.12.09 17:35

@Jolie wrote:I found the reference on Clarence Mitchell's specific quote on a blog article published by Joana Morais:

http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2009/03/clarence-mitchell-mccanns-spokesman.html


Ah! 2007 this alleged quote was made, not 2009. Mr Bennett with his errors again causaing confusion and mishap, deary me.
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Post by Tony Bennett on 27.12.09 17:37

Raffle wrote:It's kind of you to give free advertising Mr B, but wasn't the mccann files under order to shut up shop or get carter rucked like you were?

Or is it Pamalams I am thinking of that is about to be carter rucked right up where the sun doesnt shine? thinking
Even more from the McCann charm school.

Nigel Moore of mccannfilles has not been 'Carter-Rucked' AFAIK and while Palaman has, I don't think s/he's removed anything. The main thing Pamalam was asked to remove by Britain's 'most feared libel lawyers' was her unique record of all Gerry McCann's blogs.

He claimed 'copyright' on them!

Just think, if Carter-Ruck succeeded, we'd not know any more about Dr Kate McCann's reaching the cliff top in only 19 minutes' jogging and about little Sean McCann's developing taste for sea bass.
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Post by Guest on 27.12.09 17:39

oooh Mr bennett best you don't mention cliff tops, it tends to remind folks of what you claimed you would do to your grandsons body if he ever came to harm in your care.

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Post by Guest on 27.12.09 17:40

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The name 'Media Monitoring Unit' disguises the unit's true purpose, much as the Soviet Union's 'Ministry of Truth' was in reality the Ministry for Propaganda.

You may not be aware of it, tyra, but the statement 'Our job is to control what comes out in the media' is a direct quotation from Clarence Mitchell himself.

He knew what his job was, all right.

And he did it well.

Clarence Mitchell never did say that. You are quoting from your own Oxford leaflet, it was the forum myth on 3 Arguidos, it was used against Mitchell on Joana Morais, but there is not one quote from Mitchell self where you can read it from the horses mouth.
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Post by Tony Bennett on 27.12.09 17:42

@Bea_Reasonable wrote:Just balancing the scales here Mr Bennett but one of your own little followers has a rather offensive vocabulary which she maturely uses to twist other's user names into swear words. Would that be direct from the pitchforker's handbook?
1. I don't think any of those who share my doubts about the official version of Madeleine McCann could be described as a 'follower'.
2. I accept that some of those who share my views do not always argue their point of view politely.
3. I do not think anyone has to resort to foul language or abuse to support an argument; indeed usually it's a sign of having lost the argument.
4. On this forum, 95% of the personal abuse has come from pro-McCann posters so far.
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Post by Tony Bennett on 27.12.09 17:44

Aristocrat wrote:Clarence Mitchell never did say that. You are quoting from your own Oxford leaflet, it was the forum myth on 3 Arguidos, it was used against Mitchell on Joana Morais, but there is not one quote from Mitchell self where you can read it from the horses mouth.
Like I said, Espresso, 29 September 2007.

It's a quote from Espresso that I included in our Oxford leaflet.
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Post by Guest on 27.12.09 17:45

@Tony Bennett wrote:
Aristocrat wrote:Clarence Mitchell never did say that. You are quoting from your own Oxford leaflet, it was the forum myth on 3 Arguidos, it was used against Mitchell on Joana Morais, but there is not one quote from Mitchell self where you can read it from the horses mouth.
Like I said, Espresso, 29 September 2007.

It's a quote from Espresso that I included in our Oxford leaflet.

Show me the article!
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Post by Guest on 27.12.09 17:50

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@Bea_Reasonable wrote:Just balancing the scales here Mr Bennett but one of your own little followers has a rather offensive vocabulary which she maturely uses to twist other's user names into swear words. Would that be direct from the pitchforker's handbook?
1. I don't think any of those who share my doubts about the official version of Madeleine McCann could be described as a 'follower'.
2. I accept that some of those who share my views do not always argue their point of view politely.
3. I do not think anyone has to resort to foul language or abuse to support an argument; indeed usually it's a sign of having lost the argument.
4. On this forum, 95% of the personal abuse has come from pro-McCann posters so far.

Whereas 100% of the hate, misinformation and lack of understanding of the evidence and the case has come from Amaral lovers.

Hmmm... personal abuse (which is, of course, a matter for debate) is a hell of a lot less damaging than lies and misinformation, wouldn't you agree?
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Post by Jolie on 27.12.09 17:56

QUOTE

Clarence Mitchell interview with Maria Barbosa published in Expresso. Some quotes:

"An outcome similar to Holly and Jessica is possible. I don't want to, and I can't, talk about Robert Murat but some journalists who worked with me in Soham, and that were now in Portugal, saw resemblances between that case and Robert Murat. And I won't say more."

"It was suggested in the press that Kate and Gerry went to Fátima to bury Maddie's body. I went along with them on that trip and I guarantee we didn't bury anyone there."

"I was the head of the government's Media Monitoring Unit. Forty people work there and their function is to control what comes out in the media."

END QUOTE

From the McCannFiles

http://mccannfiles.com/id29.html

Still looking for the actual interview article...
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I asked for the article!
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Post by Jolie on 27.12.09 18:06

Copied from The Maddie Case Files:

Do we have this aready somewhere ? I think it was paper versio only, not sure

Investigation may last a year

It is in the experience of Clarence Mitchell that the Mccanns put their trust to regain the public opinion.
Clarence Mitchell goes through the streets of London at the same speed at which he speaks in his mobile- which actually never stops ringing. The Mccann's spokesperson receives about 60 calls a day ( just Gerry call him about 5 to 6 times). Mitchell spoke to the Expresso whilst he had breakfast, one day before the publishing of the picture taken in Morroco by a Spanish tourist.

Q: You exchanged your position as a servant of the British Government for spokesperson of the McCanns. Did you make this decision for sentimental reasons or professional ambition?

A: I am not a sentimental person and neither am I making any plans for the future. I accepted the invitation by the Mccanns because I know that they are innocent.

Q: Have you ever asked them if they are involved in their daughter's disappearance?

A: I have never felt the need to ask them that question because we have spoken contantly about this subject, and both tell me that they are innocent. Since I have spent a month with them, I believe in what they tell me. It is enough to see how they deal with the twins, Sean & Amelie. You can see that they are dedicated to their children and that they would never do anything to hurt them. This argument may not prove anything, but for me it is important that i work with honest people.

Q: In order to defend the Mccann's innocence with such surety it is necessary that you know more than what you say...

A: I know the facts that can explain all the police suspicions regarding what was found in the car or in the apartment rented by them. I can not reveal any more details. Some of the accusations that appear in the PT press- the British papers only translate what is there written - supposedly happened whilst I was with them. Therefore I know the truth.

Q: How do you explain the cadaver scent detected in the vehicle rented 25 days later?

A: It is not up to me to reply. There has never been anything that has happened that led me to suspect the McCanns. And I was only not with them a t night time for obvious reasons. But the story about the car is not the only one that makes no sense: it was suggested in the press that K & G went to Fátima to bury Maddie's body. I went with them in this trip and I guarantee that we did not bury any body.

Q: You spent a month in the Algarve with the couple. Who sent you and what is it about the McCanns that makes them so special?

A: They are not Mourinho (laughs). This is one of the points that Gerry stressed over the phone that he wished me to tell you: they are a normal family, the same as so many other middle class families. They are people with a higher Academic education, but that above all love their children. They are not influential people. They have not had any special treatment.

Q: You were sent by the Foreign Office. Are all British people that find themselves in trouble awarded the same treatment?

A: Everytime that a British Subject has problems abroad Consular assistence is offered. As it was regarding a missing child and not the theft of documents, the help provided by the Consul of Portimão was greater. Since the case dominated the Media, The foreign Office in London, thought of me because i had experience as a reporter and I knew key English people. It wasn't Tony Blair nor the present Prime minister, Gordon Brown, that sent me. I am not their spokesperson nor do I call them asking for advice.

Q: But you were responsible for the projection of the Mccanns in the Media at a world scale. The fact that you worked for the British Government facilitaded this...

A: In Portugal there has been a wrong image created about me. I was the Director of the Government's Media Monitoring Unit. Ther work about 40 people and their function is to control what gets printed in the press. Every morning I had a meeting with the Prime Minister's spokesperson at 10 Downing Street and we discussed any developments. I didn't get to speak to Gordon Brown directly. Everything that I have been able to do for the McCanns has been through my computer and my mobile.

Q: It was enough that you called certain people so that K & G were granted an audience with the Pope.

A: And I am a Protestant! When I was in the Algarve on behalf of the Foreign Office I kept in touch with the British Embassies, the Vatican's inclusive. Through Cormac Murphy O’Connor, Archbishop of Westminster, I knew that Maddie's disappearance had not gone un-noticed by the Vatican. He suggested that we asked for an audience with the Pope . It was I that wrote that email, since G & K did not want any special treatment.

Q: Was it your decision to use the Media so that the case may not be forgotten? Some specialists argue that this exposure might be fatal...

A: The parents trusted my instincts. They only told me that they wanted to do everything to find her. It was them that decided on a tour around Europe, that started in Amsterdam. After they had been to Germany, Kate was inclined to go to the North of Africa. Actually it is in that area that Kate suspects that Maddie might be.

Q: With the change of direction of the investigation, Kate's attitude ( the fact that she does not/has not cried in public) has been the subject of criticism. In private what has been her reaction?

A: Kate is very strong. She seems like a reseved and contained woman in her emotions but she is suffering a lot. I have seen her crying in private. I can also tell you that the parents were advised by specialists to not reveal their emotions in public. The kidnapper may enjoy to watch them suffering.

Q: There is a lot of speculation about the events of the 3rd May. What did kate say when she did not find her daughter in the bedroom?

A: The witness statements say that Kate shouted "they have taken her" they are incorrect, I will say no more.

Q: Whilst you were a journalist following the case of Jessica and Holly in Soham. The children were found dead 2 weeks later. Did you predict the same ending to this case?

A: I thought that by this time she would have been found dead or alive, but an ending similar to the case of Jessica and holly is possible, I don't want to and can't speak about Robert Murat but some of the journalists that worked with me in Soham, and that were recently in Portugal, saw similarities between the case and Robert Murat, more than this I will not say.

Q: Before accepting K & G's proposal you admited that you needed some guaranties, were you refering to Brian kennedy, the businessman that pays your wages?

A: I could not resign from my job with the Government before this issue was resolved. It was unacceptable that Maddie's Fund would pay my wages. The solution found was the best: I work for the Mccanns but who pays my wages is Brian Kennedy, that made himself available to help them financially. My objective is to help them overcome this phase but I also want to be paid for it, which has not happened yet.

Q: Some celebrities generosity, such as Richard Branson, allowed the McCann's to hire the best lawyers that money can buy. Did you advise them in their choice?

A: Absolutely not. But I do recognise the need for them to be surrounded by the best Portuguese and British professionals. they are suspected of having killed their daughter and having goten rid of the body. That is a very serious accusation. People want them charged and tried. Or at least that maddie appears next week, and that is not going to happen. this investigation might take a year.

Q: Do they still trust the Portuguese Police? Or do they want to follow other clues using private detectives?

A: I have to be careful with what I say. This is a sensitive subject. The McCanns want to continue to co-operate with the police, and they have to do so. Even if Maddy is no longer in Portugal, the PJ continue to be a main piece. However, any parent in the same situation has the right to use any means to find their child. Iam not confirming the hiring of private detectives.

Q: You started the interview by saying that you were not sentimental but during the trip through Europe with the McCanns you were photographed crying. In that day the ex-journalist became the news...

A: It wasn't intentional. But when I found out that my wife had lost the baby, I felt lost and angry for being there and not beside her. It is at least ironic that during this search for Maddie, I had also lost a son. Very young yes, but it was my son. I believe that that united us."

Maria Barbosa
semanal.expresso.clix.pt/1caderno/pais

END QUOTE

My comment: I added the bolding to highlight the quote in question.
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Post by Jolie on 27.12.09 18:09

Aristocrat wrote:I asked for the article!

Damn, how many rude people there are on this forum! Didn't your mother teach you any manners? That's why I leave this forum for long periods and don't post here often. No evidence of civility in so many posters that come here and attack those they disagree with. I try to be patient and ignore it, but they give off a bad smell, stinking up the joint.
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Post by Guest on 27.12.09 18:15

To be fair it should have been mr bennett providing the information as it was his initial assertion, it shouldn't be left to the rest of us to try and work out where he has got something from and what context it is in and what it all means, as i said before, big enough and ugly enough to do it himself really.
But seeing as how it has been found and it took place in 2007 and not 2009 as mr bennett initially claimed. This was presumeably conducted in english and then translated into portuguese and then back again?
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Post by Jolie on 27.12.09 18:18

tyra wrote:To be fair it should have been mr bennett providing the information as it was his initial assertion, it shouldn't be left to the rest of us to try and work out where he has got something from and what context it is in and what it all means, as i said before, big enough and ugly enough to do it himself really.
But seeing as how it has been found and it took place in 2007 and not 2009 as mr bennett initially claimed. This was presumeably conducted in english and then translated into portuguese and then back again?

We haven't seen what you look like, not that a person's natural appearance should matter in matters of debate.

Resorting to insults is petty. Try sticking to discussion without them if you want to be thought of as a responsible person.
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Post by Bea_Reasonable on 27.12.09 18:18

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@Bea_Reasonable wrote:Just balancing the scales here Mr Bennett but one of your own little followers has a rather offensive vocabulary which she maturely uses to twist other's user names into swear words. Would that be direct from the pitchforker's handbook?
1. I don't think any of those who share my doubts about the official version of Madeleine McCann could be described as a 'follower'.

I agree, but this one is.

2. I accept that some of those who share my views do not always argue their point of view politely.

Good, we agree on something

3. I do not think anyone has to resort to foul language or abuse to support an argument; indeed usually it's a sign of having lost the argument.

Absolutely.

4. On this forum, 95% of the personal abuse has come from pro-McCann posters so far.

No, that is your perception of it, simply because if someone is saying what you want to hear you tend to overlook it. Any abuse may well be from "pro" Maccanns, but it is more than equally balanced by "antis"
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