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Post by Guest on 25.11.09 13:52

WHEN Bennet is cleared, what are the chances of the MM crew, ambersuz, debbie or bren apologising as publicly as they have made their accusations? And do you think the MM forum will survive after the way ambersuz has allowed the place to become a battleground to attack bennet?
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Post by scrafen on 25.11.09 14:14

it would mean, that debbie got it wrong, but not that she accused him deliberately;
in this case, she just misunderstood information, or - as we know (or as she said) - details were withheld by bennett.

if bennetts accounting is bright white, debbie could publish a statement and explain what (precisely) made her thought it was different, and how it was clarified.

but what for should amber and bren apologize ?
many people were b(e)nned from MM for much less, and didnt hear an apology nor explanation either...

so, at the end of the day, debbie might apologize, and everyone knows, the Madeleine Foundation is not more than a cheque/stamp-business, located between MOT-centers and Metric-Signs-Campaigns...
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Post by Guest on 25.11.09 15:32

@scrafen wrote:it would mean, that debbie got it wrong, but not that she accused him deliberately;
in this case, she just misunderstood information, or - as we know (or as she said) - details were withheld by bennett.

if bennetts accounting is bright white, debbie could publish a statement and explain what (precisely) made her thought it was different, and how it was clarified.

but what for should amber and bren apologize ?
many people were b(e)nned from MM for much less, and didnt hear an apology nor explanation either...

so, at the end of the day, debbie might apologize, and everyone knows, the Madeleine Foundation is not more than a cheque/stamp-business, located between MOT-centers and Metric-Signs-Campaigns...

Yes but Debbie has taken it further than the fraud, she has spouted all kinds of unrelated nonsense like the leaflet drop for example. And on her behalf there has been all kinds of stuff printed, digging up all kinds of crap on Bennet, and she has never publicly asked Ambersuz and Bren to stop nor has she disassociated herself from what they are saying.In fact she fuelled them by giving them access to emails she had in her posession to be used against him.
So her actions have been malicious and self sercving as far as I am concerned. no
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Post by Tony Bennett on 25.11.09 15:49

scrafen wrote:

"...as we know (or as she said) details were withheld by Bennett".

REPLY: OK, let's nail that little lie from Debbie among so many other lies.

Did she ask me verbally or by e-mail for details about these two cheques?

No. Never. She can't produce any email from her making any sort of enquiry about the two cheques in question. Nor was there any verbal enquiry from her either.

But let's remember the words used by her and published courtesy of Stephen Marsden on his forum on 5 November: 'Serious fraud'.

Then let's remember how the British press escalated this into 'Bennett has salted away £90,000 he received from donations paid to The Madeleine Foundation which was really intended for the fund to find Madeleine'. Hundreds of thousands of people will have read that and believed it. Other newspapers recycled this story, and it's gone round the internet. And the press won't correct their defamatory allegations against me because the police 'are still investigating'.

And how the McCann-supporters rejoiced and rang out bells in celebration of the apparent discovery of serious fraud within The Madeleine Foundation, the organisation they feared the most.

No, people like viv, ambersuz, Debbie, Brenda Ryan and Corinna Ritter who are gloating in their hate-fest on 'Missing Madeleine' will never apologise in a million years. They have made their accusations without a care, each egging the other on.

But one day they will quietly realise how horribly wrong they were over this issue.

And what wonderful people have been in touch with me who want to continue the questioning about what really happened to Madeleine McCann and are happy to see The Madeleine Foundation website back up and running.

There'll be more articles to come.

We ain't finished yet.

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Post by scrafen on 25.11.09 15:56

@Tony Bennett wrote:...Stephen Marsden on his forum on 5 November

may i ask, how sure you are that this is his real name ? (maybe in %)

and couldnt this outing bring him into some danger, as he is the one with the most "cesspits" up and running ?
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Post by scrafen on 25.11.09 16:00

sym wrote:Yes but Debbie has taken it further than the fraud, she has spouted all kinds of unrelated nonsense like the leaflet drop for example. And on her behalf there has been all kinds of stuff printed, digging up all kinds of crap on Bennet, and she has never publicly asked Ambersuz and Bren to stop nor has she disassociated herself from what they are saying.In fact she fuelled them by giving them access to emails she had in her posession to be used against him.
So her actions have been malicious and self sercving as far as I am concerned. no

debbie is a very honest person, imo. she was ready to give everything she has for the fight for justice for Madeleine. (whatever difficult her definition of this seems to be for others).

and lets not forget, how unfair she was treated by the foundation, which she founded in 2008. after all, and all humiliation, she was dismissed by a kangaroo court - once more publically.

then she found signs of fraud, and became outraged about it all.
she would have never betrayed the members, and never betrayed madeleine.
during the time, it was "only" her being betrayed by the foundation, we didnt hear much of her. but when she found signs of betrayal of members, or the foundation, she was outraged, obviously.

maybe there was no fraud. or maybe bennett was able to explain it away.
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Post by Tony Bennett on 25.11.09 16:03

may i ask, how sure you are that this is his name ? (maybe in %)

and couldnt this outing bring him into some danger, as he is the one with the most "cesspits" up and running ?

REPLY: When we paid Stephen Marsden for his services on the website via Paypal, we had to use his real name.

Danger from whom?

All that's come out is that he recently lost a racial discrimination claim for unfair dismissal against his former employer.
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Post by Guest on 25.11.09 16:28

I dont know much about the foundation business nor do I want to. I have always said Debbie done more than most with the leaflets and that she was the only one called a stalker. I have always said I agree with Debbie that sitting and yapping isnt going to get the case re opened and before she turned on me and set me up, altered emails I was all for going on demo's with her, also said if she got a new site would follow her.Debbie is about the only person I have seen who is prepared to stand up and do something other than chatting crap on forums and blogs.
When she fell out with Tony she played me, she manipulated me in to sending reciepts which thankfully were not posted..she manipulated my emails..and published them all while we were speaking daily and supposedly friends, she bandied around that I smoke dope..so what? Big deal, but she done it none the less.
While were were friendly and before it blew up she was bandying my private affairs told to her in cofidence around the SSS of MM.
I only told her about the adoption afetr we had a blazing row and she sneered at mmy family life and I said go and buy a child, she was upset so i sent her the email..and one of the reasons I did that was I was also privvy to what Bennet had been saying about me.
So if thats a decent person, knock yourself out, I dont think so.
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Post by Tony Bennett on 25.11.09 17:19

scrafen wrote (comments in red interleaved) :

debbie is a very honest person, imo. she was ready to give everything she has for the fight for justice for Madeleine. (whatever difficult her definition of this seems to be for others).

REPLY: What I will say on the record is that Debbie was generous with her money, she had to be cajoled into claiming any expenses, and initially she worked well in sending out the PayPal book orders until early summer when she became less reliable and I had to take over both the PayPal orders and the cheque orders. She showed courage in confronting Clarence Mitchell both at the LSE in 2008 and at Oxford in 2009. Plans and initiatives were discussed amicably between us and any slight differences resolved. She did have a crusading instinct so far as getting truth and justice for Madeleine was concerned.

and lets not forget, how unfair she was treated by the foundation, which she founded in 2008. after all, and all humiliation, she was dismissed by a kangaroo court - once more publically.

REPLY: Here, scrafen's version of events is hopelessly wrong and must be corrected for the record. For whatever reason, after we visited the lawyers in Liverpool on 2 October, Debbie simply stopped communicating apart from one e-mail asking for her initial loan of £350 to MF to be returned. As those who have followed this will be aware, I absolutely insisted she take another £150 towards her expenses and sent her a cheque for £500. I did not ask to see receipts first. Up until that point there had been mutual trust on both sides.

There was then no further communication from her until a bizarre 'phone call from her on 26 October which immediately followed (as she told me) her being interviewed by Kent Police about her harassment of Mike Gunnill. During that 'phone call, she made a wholly false allegation agaisnt me saying that I had pre-planned to concede to Carter-Ruck and that the whole Liverpool visit was a sham. I was stunned into denying that by e-mail to her, an e-mail which has since been published and clearly reveals an offer by me to talk to her to settle what issues she appeared to have (which were never clear). No allegations re cheques, fraud etc. were ever mentioned.

That very evening she began a vitriolic personal campaign against me on the 'Missing Madeleine' Forum which included many untruths and included the statement: "I have NO trust in Mr Bennett".

After complaints from members and after attempts to meet with her and understand what exactly it was that she wanted (which wnet unanswered), and following further outbursts from her, the Committee members, quite properly appointed at a meeting on 3 October, conferred and decided that the public criticism of the Foundation's Secretary was so severe that the only option was to expel her from membership. No organisation on earth can tolerate one senior offficer publicly and furiously attacking another officer. Other members also wanted effective action against Debbie. This was no 'kangaroo court'. It was a democratic and necessary decision on behalf of the members. She was told she had the right of appeal but has chosen not to appeal.

Immediately following this decision she caused havoc for us by freezing the bank account with £2,766 in it and making a series of false and serious accusations.

Also, in no way was she dismissed 'publicly'. She was sent a private e-mail. Her expulsion was publicised initially by her, not by us.


then she found signs of fraud, and became outraged about it all.

REPLY: See above. She saw no signs whatsoever of fraud.

she would have never betrayed the members

REPLY: She has done. She is denying them the use of £2,766 funds for a start.

, and never betrayed madeleine.during the time, it was "only" her being betrayed by the foundation

REPLY: There was no 'betrayal' at all - except Debbie's when she publicly attacked the Secretary. As I tried to explain to her, conceding Carter-Ruck's demands in the face of overwhelmingly superior firepower was no disgrace and did not mean the end of the Foundation, the end of Foundation regional meetings, nor the end of our questioning what really happened to Madeleine McCann.

, we didnt hear much of her. but when she found signs of betrayal of members, or the foundation, she was outraged, obviously.

maybe there was no fraud. or maybe bennett was able to explain it away.
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Post by scrafen on 25.11.09 17:54

questions re the kangaroo court

For whatever reason, after we visited the lawyers in Liverpool on 2 October, Debbie simply stopped communicating apart from...

...the Committee members, quite properly appointed at a meeting on 3 October, conferred and decided that the public criticism of the Foundation's Secretary was so severe that the only option was to expel her from membership.

(1) was debbie present at the Cardiff Meeting Oct 3 and took part in the election of the "Committee Members" ?

(2) when was the election of the Committee Members planned ? was it mentioned on the Cardiff Invitations to the members ?

(3) why was there all of a sudden a reason to appoint a Committee on Oct 3 ?

(4) who did elect the Committee - the members ? all or only those in Cardiff ?

(5) who named the candidates for the Committee, and when ?

(6) was debbie formally and properly invited to the nov-3-(virtual?)-meeting where she was dismissed ? the constitution says everyone from the board should be present.

i can understand, when you dont want to answer the questions, as they are quite detailed. but - its for me - to understand and accept (even if not a MF member) debbies dismissal i would need to know...

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or maybe debbie can answer a few independently of that ?
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Post by Guest on 25.11.09 18:25

I can answer the was Debbie at the cardiff meeting, she was not although I was expecting to meet her. She told me she didnt come and gave very little notice and the notice she gave was via text. She told me she was so annoyed with Bennet that she was too angry to speak.
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Post by Jolie on 25.11.09 19:12

and for wasting police resources?

If Tony Bennett is found to be innocent of the allegations made against him and is cleared by the police, I hope that athe police will pursue charges against Debbie Butler for using the police in her campaign to publicly destroy Mr. Bennett's reputation.

I know Mr. Bennett has more things to do with his time and money than to take legal action against Ms. Butler, but in my opinion, if he is proven to be not guilty of fraud, he is certainly entitled to do so and would have substantial proof of her vindictiveness and malice from posts made online.
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Post by scrafen on 25.11.09 19:20

sym wrote:I can answer the was Debbie at the cardiff meeting, she was not although I was expecting to meet her. She told me she didnt come and gave very little notice and the notice she gave was via text. She told me she was so annoyed with Bennet that she was too angry to speak.

sym, maybe you can say something to (2) and (5), when you were there, in cardiff ?
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Post by Guest on 25.11.09 19:51

yes of course I can..no it was not mentioned that a new committee was needed, and havent a scoobydoo on number 5.
I can say Tony seemed disappointed Debbie was not there, he said she was upset about them giving in to CR and he understood she was upset and that she was prepared to go the whole way, he didnt say so but I got the impression he didnt think the rift was permanent and Debbie was just upset. Nothing untoward was said about Debbie or anyone for that matter.
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Post by Autumn on 25.11.09 20:24

When Tony is vindicated, I hope that he will consider legal action against Debbie Butler. I would think that he has good grounds to press charges for both harrassment and libel - her recent behaviour is totally unacceptable and, in the event of Tony being cleared of the allegations made against him, Debbie Butler should face the consequences of her actions.
Anyway Tony, stay strong - many of us are sickened by Debbie's, Ambersuz's, Bren's and Viv's malicious comments on MM.
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Post by scrafen on 25.11.09 20:34

how did the meeting in cardiff then go ?

=> you got surprised with a new "committee", members already figured out (Grenville, Helene, Sharon, Tony), the reason why needed was not given, but 50 % (?) voted for it ?

...and within 30 days it dismissed the founder of the foundation...
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Post by Guest on 25.11.09 20:40

Saphire wrote:When Tony is vindicated, I hope that he will consider legal action against Debbie Butler. I would think that he has good grounds to press charges for both harrassment and libel - her recent behaviour is totally unacceptable and, in the event of Tony being cleared of the allegations made against him, Debbie Butler should face the consequences of her actions.
Anyway Tony, stay strong - many of us are sickened by Debbie's, Ambersuz's, Bren's and Viv's malicious comments on MM.
Isnt she alreadey reaping her just rewards, everyone, pros and antis alike are laughing at her hysterical behaviour, she looks likem a typical scorned woman, she has divided a forum because ambersuz is despertae for Debbie to be believed, and who would ever trust her as a friend, she didnt only sh*t on Bennet, she shat on me and dragged me in to it by trying to force me with ill hidden threats, she published not only my paypal and sign in details and she doctored my bloody emails.
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Post by Guest on 25.11.09 20:41

@scrafen wrote:how did the meeting in cardiff then go ?

=> you got surprised with a new "committee", members already figured out (Grenville, Helene, Sharon, Tony), the reason why needed was not given, but 50 % (?) voted for it ?

...and within 30 days it dismissed the founder of the foundation...
to whom and what are you talking about?
I take it you dont want to answer hyperthetically or otherwise what you make of Debbie and Ambersuz conduct throughout and would you be annoyed if your paypal details and password were published? I wont answer one more thing you say untill you return the honour.
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Post by scrafen on 25.11.09 20:49

sym wrote: to whom and what are you talking about?
I take it you dont want to answer hyperthetically or otherwise what you make of Debbie and Ambersuz conduct throughout and would you be annoyed if your paypal details and password were published? I wont answer one more thing you say untill you return the honour.

correc,t was talking to you.

my replies:
-- debbies conduct: is ok for me
-- ambersuz conduct: is not ok for me
-- paypal details + password published: i would be annoyed
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Post by Guest on 25.11.09 21:01

Then I hate to say if you think Debbies conduct has been ok with the twittering and the hysterical accusations I would mquestion wether you had some kind of flawed thinking.
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Post by Autumn on 25.11.09 21:23

sym wrote:
Saphire wrote:When Tony is vindicated, I hope that he will consider legal action against Debbie Butler. I would think that he has good grounds to press charges for both harrassment and libel - her recent behaviour is totally unacceptable and, in the event of Tony being cleared of the allegations made against him, Debbie Butler should face the consequences of her actions.
Anyway Tony, stay strong - many of us are sickened by Debbie's, Ambersuz's, Bren's and Viv's malicious comments on MM.
Isnt she alreadey reaping her just rewards, everyone, pros and antis alike are laughing at her hysterical behaviour, she looks likem a typical scorned woman, she has divided a forum because ambersuz is despertae for Debbie to be believed, and who would ever trust her as a friend, she didnt only sh*t on Bennet, she shat on me and dragged me in to it by trying to force me with ill hidden threats, she published not only my paypal and sign in details and she doctored my bloody emails.

Sorry to hear about how shes treated you, Sym, she dragging so many people into her nasty world of plotting and scheming - thing is they wont realize the mess they are in until they are in it up to their necks and they are totally out of their depth. Is Ambersuz as thick as she appears to be or is she frightened Debbie will round on her next?
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Post by Guest on 25.11.09 21:33

that ambersuz is a NPD..I am not joking, all her behaviour points to this, I think she just saw a chance to meddle and exercise her dark side of evilness and now she isnt going to back down because NPD's dont back down , they are always right, and if they arent they will bully you till they are.
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Post by Jolie on 26.11.09 1:01

sym wrote:
Saphire wrote:When Tony is vindicated, I hope that he will consider legal action against Debbie Butler. I would think that he has good grounds to press charges for both harrassment and libel - her recent behaviour is totally unacceptable and, in the event of Tony being cleared of the allegations made against him, Debbie Butler should face the consequences of her actions.
Anyway Tony, stay strong - many of us are sickened by Debbie's, Ambersuz's, Bren's and Viv's malicious comments on MM.
Isnt she alreadey reaping her just rewards, everyone, pros and antis alike are laughing at her hysterical behaviour, she looks likem a typical scorned woman, she has divided a forum because ambersuz is despertae for Debbie to be believed, and who would ever trust her as a friend, she didnt only sh*t on Bennet, she shat on me and dragged me in to it by trying to force me with ill hidden threats, she published not only my paypal and sign in details and she doctored my bloody emails.

I disagree, Sym. That's like saying, "Haven't the McCanns suffered enough for their actions with the loss of their daughter?" While it may be true that they are suffering, they still should be held legally responsible for any illegal actions that have caused Madeleine's death or disappearance and beyond.

Debbie Butler took deliberate actions to ruin the reputation of a real, living person by spreading allegations that are likely false. If her claims are false, she should be held legally responsible for this, as she herself started a police inquiry against him and may have been at least partially responsible for the information in the Sun article about the fraud allegations.

The damage she has done to Tony Bennett is incalculable. If it was based solely on malicious intent and no substantive proof, she should be held accountable for her actions. She's an adult and knows right from wrong. No matter who was encouraging her in these acts, it was still her decision as to whether or not to undertake them.

Let Debbie Butler have another news article written up about her and published for police charges brought for filing a false police report, if fraud is disproven. It would go a long way to clearing Tony Bennett's (and the Madeleine Foundation's) reputation with those people who read the papers and not online forums about the McCann case.

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Post by Guest on 26.11.09 6:49

I never said she had suffered enough I said isnt she already suffering.
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Post by Autumn on 26.11.09 11:05

To the contrary, I have seen no evidence on the forums of her suffering. From what I have seen on MM, Debbie seems to be positivley enjoying all the attention - how many nasty posts has she made, which were presumbably meant to be taken seriously ony for her to plonk a stupid 'legs in air, laughing' emote. All this suggests to me that it is all a big game to her, she appears to not be taking any of this seriously. To say that she is behaving like a child is an insult to most children. Jolie, you are right, she is on a mission to destroy a decent man, come hell or high water and, whatever her motivations are, she has no right slagging him off continuously on the MM.
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