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Post by Guest on 02.01.10 19:16

@aiyoyo wrote:
Cherub wrote:
@aiyoyo wrote:I'm second guessing high profile lawyers like high profile case. Nothing like a high profile case to promote their name/reputation.

Yes, it did sound bit odd but then the mccanns name attracts the odds.

thanks Aiyoyo.

thing is Liverpool is quite supportive of the McCanns. my own extended and very large family are mostly in support and have never questioned anything other than an abduction. the local newspapers have never written anything adverse and Everton football club have also shown support.

it would hardly promote Kirwans reputation to be seen supporting Mr Bennet, who is accused of stalking the McCanns at least I don't think so. i would imagine them batting for the McCanns in someway, but not for Mr Bennet or the MF for that matter

who exactly is Mr Mason? do you know?

Sorry, havent a clue who Mr Mason is.

Take this out of the Liverpool context and you will realise other than a small minority in KM's county, people in the wider area of Liverpool, rest of UK and the World would view the mccanns differently (more objectively) than that small minority.

Now that we know Kirwans initiated the approach to MF, we can only assume Kirwans saw something in the case they could work on. If TB dares this all the way to court, can you imagine the publicity for Kirwans to represent an unorthodox non-practising lawyer (an activist and campaigner) on one hand vs. a pair of doctors in the most high profile missing person case of the century (by extension also CR)?

Do not underestimate the power of media communications- thanks to satellite/cable, news of the mccanns case had been beamed into every household with a TV in the world. Even foreign press covered the story.

You just have to broaden the vision beyond merely Liverpool to understand why Kirwans would represent MF. Had this gone to Court, the World would hear of it, and the fame this would have gotten Kirwans!


I'm not sure Kirwans did initiate the approach. Not entirely anyway.
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Post by Tony Bennett on 02.01.10 19:55

@vaguely wrote:I am glad now that you are both now available on Friday to come to Liverpool and I am looking forward to meeting you, the author of the booklet which first engaged my interest some months ago..

Mr Bennett, does this refer to when he first heard about the booklet, or was he aware of the booklet before it hit the headlines?

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When he first heard about the booklet.

About 3-4 weeks after publication, I got an e-mail from somebody (can't remember who) strongly suggesting that I sent him [David Kirwan] a free copy.

I did.
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Post by Guest on 02.01.10 19:57

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@vaguely wrote:I am glad now that you are both now available on Friday to come to Liverpool and I am looking forward to meeting you, the author of the booklet which first engaged my interest some months ago..

Mr Bennett, does this refer to when he first heard about the booklet, or was he aware of the booklet before it hit the headlines?

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When he first heard about the booklet.

About 3-4 weeks after publication, I got an e-mail from somebody (can't remember who) strongly suggesting that I sent him [David Kirwan] a free copy.

I did.

Laffin claims he told you to send it to him. Why would that be the case Tony?
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Post by Stephanie on 02.01.10 20:02

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@vaguely wrote:I am glad now that you are both now available on Friday to come to Liverpool and I am looking forward to meeting you, the author of the booklet which first engaged my interest some months ago..

Mr Bennett, does this refer to when he first heard about the booklet, or was he aware of the booklet before it hit the headlines?

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When he first heard about the booklet.

About 3-4 weeks after publication, I got an e-mail from somebody (can't remember who) strongly suggesting that I sent him [David Kirwan] a free copy.

I did.

I'm sorry Mr.B once again I am confused, why would someone assume that David Kirwan would want a copy of your pamphlet?
Even if you cannot recall the name of the person who sent you the e-mail,in your memory hopefully is the answer to why He (mr.Kirwan) would be interested.
If someone e-mailed me stating that perhaps Mrs.J.Bloggs wanted a copy of my needlework for beginners booklet I had recently produced, I would at least ask why and how that person had come to hear or was interested in my publication.
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Post by Guest on 02.01.10 20:22

That would explain why they travelled to Liverpool instead of a local Solicitor.
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Post by vaguely on 02.01.10 20:26

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@vaguely wrote:I am glad now that you are both now available on Friday to come to Liverpool and I am looking forward to meeting you, the author of the booklet which first engaged my interest some months ago..

Mr Bennett, does this refer to when he first heard about the booklet, or was he aware of the booklet before it hit the headlines?

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When he first heard about the booklet.

About 3-4 weeks after publication, I got an e-mail from somebody (can't remember who) strongly suggesting that I sent him [David Kirwan] a free copy.

I did.

So Kirwans were aware of the booklet before the SHTF. Any ideas at all why LaffinAssasin would think sending a random solicitor a copy of the booklet would be a good idea? And once he had been sent the leaflet, did he contact you, before the seemingly out of the blue letter offering to represent you?

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Post by Guest on 02.01.10 20:33

Laffin doesn't want to expand on it for some reason.
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Post by preciousramotswe on 02.01.10 20:36

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@aiyoyo wrote:Now that we know Kirwans initiated the approach to MF, we can only assume Kirwans saw something in the case they could work on. If TB dares this all the way to court, can you imagine the publicity for Kirwans to represent an unorthodox non-practising lawyer (an activist and campaigner) on one hand vs. a pair of doctors in the most high profile missing person case of the century (by extension also CR)?

Do not underestimate the power of media communications- thanks to satellite/cable, news of the mccanns case had been beamed into every household with a TV in the world. Even foreign press covered the story.

You just have to broaden the vision beyond merely Liverpool to understand why Kirwans would represent MF. Had this gone to Court, the World would hear of it, and the fame this would have gotten Kirwans!
Some interesting points there, aiyoyo.

See how much is confirmed or otherwise by this letter sent and received by me from David Kirwan on 30 September 2009, two days before our trip to see Kirwans in Liverpool, and my first day back after my Northumberland holiday.

Up to the moment we had an approach from Kirwans, neither of us felt we could afford libel lawyers though with the help of a local Solicitor we were exploring the possibility of obtaining a barrister's opinion. In that context, the possible offer of 'pro bono' help from libel Solicitors, whether they were based in London, Liverpool or Timbuktu, was obviously of very great interest.

Dear Mr Bennett,

Thank you for your message. I have entertained serious concerns about accepting this case in the light of earlier attempts that I made to try and bring forward our first meeting with you and Mrs Butler.

I am glad now that you are both now available on Friday to come to Liverpool and I am looking forward to meeting you, the author of the booklet which first engaged my interest some months ago..

We have already done a lot of work on the case in your absence on holiday which may well be evident from the email exchanges into which you have been copied.

Will you please in future copy Michael Sandys into any messages? This will save time. I will ask MS to scan and copy to you the correspondence with CR to which you refer.

I do not think that any useful purpose would be gained at this early stage if I engage in debate with you about the Human Rights issues which this litigation will inevitably spawn. They are self evident.

The biggest problem that we face initially is instructing two counsel with an absence of funding. To engage leading and junior counsel of competence and experience on the basis only of a no-win-no-fee agreement may prove very difficult in a case of this complexity and notoriety. I approached Michael Mansfield a celebrated QC and he turned instructions down. But we are trying.

You must leave any decisions on sending letters to CR to MS and me. Equally I regret that I may not necessarily prepare the response to the letter of claim along the lines that you seek and indeed on a ‘draft’ which I have not yet seen. You must not, with respect, dictate to us how we are to reply.

This is a Libel case and the format of correspondence and indeed subsequent pleadings, if indeed a writ is issued, are very specialist and formal. I cannot allow our hands to be tied in the manner that you appear to suggest. I am sorry if my comments appear somewhat blunt but I need to get this across to you.

Nevertheless, I of course welcome without reservation all your observations and comments which I am confident will prove of invaluable help in the long fight ahead.

Equally on the subject of an extension of time I will not send a letter in the terms that you suggest. To do so would appear to CR quite unprofessional and be suggestive of inexperience in these cases. MS is already making efforts to persuade them to further extend the deadline for the reply. You must leave us to take all necessary and appropriate steps on your behalf in a professional manner. Please let me have by tomorrow morning a copy of your draft response to CR’s original letter of claim.

Regards,

DSK

Tony, just to be clear here, is that letter the basis for your belief that Kirwan's were making a 'possible offer of pro bono help'?
Only I can't see that the letter says that at all, in fact it specifically mentions the difficulty of getting anyone interested in such an arrangement.

I was also left wondering what it was that you were proposing which he was so keen to dissuade you of :D
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Post by Janz on 02.01.10 20:55

Cherub why did you delete the screenshot? I was just reading it!
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Post by Guest on 02.01.10 20:57

In a futile attempt to stop it being published on MM.
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Post by Tony Bennett on 02.01.10 21:31

badmanners wrote:
@Tony Bennett wrote:
@aiyoyo wrote:Now that we know Kirwans initiated the approach to MF, we can only assume Kirwans saw something in the case they could work on. If TB dares this all the way to court, can you imagine the publicity for Kirwans to represent an unorthodox non-practising lawyer (an activist and campaigner) on one hand vs. a pair of doctors in the most high profile missing person case of the century (by extension also CR)?

Do not underestimate the power of media communications- thanks to satellite/cable, news of the mccanns case had been beamed into every household with a TV in the world. Even foreign press covered the story.

You just have to broaden the vision beyond merely Liverpool to understand why Kirwans would represent MF. Had this gone to Court, the World would hear of it, and the fame this would have gotten Kirwans!
Some interesting points there, aiyoyo.

See how much is confirmed or otherwise by this letter sent and received by me from David Kirwan on 30 September 2009, two days before our trip to see Kirwans in Liverpool, and my first day back after my Northumberland holiday.

Up to the moment we had an approach from Kirwans, neither of us felt we could afford libel lawyers though with the help of a local Solicitor we were exploring the possibility of obtaining a barrister's opinion. In that context, the possible offer of 'pro bono' help from libel Solicitors, whether they were based in London, Liverpool or Timbuktu, was obviously of very great interest.

Dear Mr Bennett,

Thank you for your message. I have entertained serious concerns about accepting this case in the light of earlier attempts that I made to try and bring forward our first meeting with you and Mrs Butler.

I am glad now that you are both now available on Friday to come to Liverpool and I am looking forward to meeting you, the author of the booklet which first engaged my interest some months ago..

We have already done a lot of work on the case in your absence on holiday which may well be evident from the email exchanges into which you have been copied.

Will you please in future copy Michael Sandys into any messages? This will save time. I will ask MS to scan and copy to you the correspondence with CR to which you refer.

I do not think that any useful purpose would be gained at this early stage if I engage in debate with you about the Human Rights issues which this litigation will inevitably spawn. They are self evident.

The biggest problem that we face initially is instructing two counsel with an absence of funding. To engage leading and junior counsel of competence and experience on the basis only of a no-win-no-fee agreement may prove very difficult in a case of this complexity and notoriety. I approached Michael Mansfield a celebrated QC and he turned instructions down. But we are trying.

You must leave any decisions on sending letters to CR to MS and me. Equally I regret that I may not necessarily prepare the response to the letter of claim along the lines that you seek and indeed on a ‘draft’ which I have not yet seen. You must not, with respect, dictate to us how we are to reply.

This is a Libel case and the format of correspondence and indeed subsequent pleadings, if indeed a writ is issued, are very specialist and formal. I cannot allow our hands to be tied in the manner that you appear to suggest. I am sorry if my comments appear somewhat blunt but I need to get this across to you.

Nevertheless, I of course welcome without reservation all your observations and comments which I am confident will prove of invaluable help in the long fight ahead.

Equally on the subject of an extension of time I will not send a letter in the terms that you suggest. To do so would appear to CR quite unprofessional and be suggestive of inexperience in these cases. MS is already making efforts to persuade them to further extend the deadline for the reply. You must leave us to take all necessary and appropriate steps on your behalf in a professional manner. Please let me have by tomorrow morning a copy of your draft response to CR’s original letter of claim.

Regards,

DSK

Tony, just to be clear here, is that letter the basis for your belief that Kirwan's were making a 'possible offer of pro bono help'? Only I can't see that the letter says that at all, in fact it specifically mentions the difficulty of getting anyone interested in such an arrangement.

I was also left wondering what it was that you were proposing which he was so keen to dissuade you of
As I've already posted on here and elsewhere, it was the letter from Nick Mason to Debbie Butler on 19 September that mentioned the possibility of pro bono help.

I'll be happy to dig out my e-mail to Kirwans which preceded this one from him.
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Post by Guest on 02.01.10 21:36

Are you planning on using Kirwins again Tony ??
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Post by Tony Bennett on 02.01.10 21:46

@rockyrobin wrote:Are you planning on using Kirwans again Tony ??
Spelling of Kirwans corrected.

Never say never.
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Post by Guest on 02.01.10 21:50

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@rockyrobin wrote:Are you planning on using Kirwans again Tony ??
Spelling of Kirwans corrected.

Never say never.
Oh dear shall we start by going through all your spelling mistakes Tony. Stop being so pedantic and childish.
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Post by Tony Bennett on 02.01.10 21:53

Cherub wrote:
@Tony Bennett wrote:
@vaguely wrote:I am glad now that you are both now available on Friday to come to Liverpool and I am looking forward to meeting you, the author of the booklet which first engaged my interest some months ago..

Mr Bennett, does this refer to when he first heard about the booklet, or was he aware of the booklet before it hit the headlines?

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When he first heard about the booklet.

About 3-4 weeks after publication, I got an e-mail from somebody (can't remember who) strongly suggesting that I sent him [David Kirwan] a free copy.

I did.

Laffin claims he told you to send it to him. Why would that be the case Tony?
I have now looked up the relevant correspondence.

My memory is at fault, the request to send a copy to Kirwans came in June, a full six months after '60 Reasons' was published.

Here is the correspondence, sorry I am not at liberty to say who my correspondent was:

CORRESPONDENT TO ME

From: [withheld]
Subject: the only independent councillor on Wirral Borough Council
To: ajsbennett@btinternet.com
Date: Monday, 22 June, 2009 [time withheld]

Hi Tony,

Please send a copy of your book and a good covering letter to this guy http://www.davidkirwan.co.uk/

He's standing against Esther McVey in the Wirral.


MY REPLY (SAME DAY) TO THAT CORRESPONDENT

Hallo [name deleted]

Yes, I'll be pleased to do that, I've got his address.

I assume from what you say that Esther McVey is standing in The Wirral also, right?

I'll send him a specimen copy of the letter we sent to MPs as well as a booklet plus a couple of copies of '10 Reasons'.

Thanks for the suggestion,

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Post by Tony Bennett on 02.01.10 21:56

@rockyrobin wrote:Oh dear shall we start by going through all your spelling mistakes Tony. Stop being so pedantic and childish.
Most might regard the correction of the spelling of a firm of Solicitors as helpful.

But there's always the exception that proves the rule.
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Post by Guest on 02.01.10 21:58

@Tony Bennett wrote:

My memory is at fault, the request to send a copy to Kirwans came in June, a full six months after '60 Reasons' was published.

Here is the correspondence, sorry I am not at liberty to say who my correspondent was:

CORRESPONDENT TO ME

From: [withheld]
Subject: the only independent councillor on Wirral Borough Council
To: ajsbennett@btinternet.com
Date: Monday, 22 June, 2009 [time withheld]

Hi Tony,

Please send a copy of your book and a good covering letter to this guy http://www.davidkirwan.co.uk/

He's standing against Esther McVey in the Wirral.


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Hallo [name deleted]

Yes, I'll be pleased to do that, I've got his address.

I assume from what you say that Esther McVey is standing in The Wirral also, right?

I'll send him a specimen copy of the letter we sent to MPs as well as a booklet plus a couple of copies of '10 Reasons'.

Thanks for the suggestion,

Tony

Don't worry Tony we ahve seen the screenshot where Laffin said it was him :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo:

Jeezers Creepers everyone knows it was Laffin.
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Post by vaguely on 02.01.10 22:01

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Post by Stephanie on 02.01.10 22:09

@vaguely wrote:never a dull moment.

Indeed vaguely (should I add a cough here ) never mind
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Post by Guest on 02.01.10 22:13

why would you want to protect Laffin, Tony? He already admitted it.
So the reason it was suggested was because Kirwan was standing against Esther McVey? So now it's politics versus missing child. (I have missed something haven't I? Someone enlighten me here.)
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Post by Nits on 02.01.10 22:16

Thank you for the response Mr Bennett.

Must admit it looked more like an order with Instructions rather than a suggestion.

So the only answer that LA needed to give me on MM was. I suggested it because Mr Kirwan is the only Independant in the Wirral.

Once again thanks for the response

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Post by Nits on 03.01.10 12:58

As I have said before Mr Bennett I have welcomed your responses to some of my questions. You invited me or anyone else that could try and make sense of your invitation to Liverpool to go ahead.

TB Writes: Sometimes you can be in the middle of the forest and not see the wood for the trees.

Therefore if 'Nits' or anyone else can make sense of the invitation to Liverpool, please go ahead, for sure there have been many dirty tricks played in this case
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I did respond to you with another question

Nits Writes: Are you telling me with your Political background you could not see the wood through the trees and not realise that Mr Kirwan was once a Conservative whip and would in all likely know Ms Mcvey. How strange!

Off I wandered to MM where LA had this to say

Laffin Assasin wrote:When Kirwan first announced his intention to stand, quite a few months ago, I suggested T Bennett should send one of his books to Kirwan.


I did ask LA what promted him do that and we all know what happened next. Unlike LA you have once again provided me with not one but two answers.

You have protected your emailers identity, but one can only assume it is LA
Your emailer has advised you Mr Kirwan is standing against Ms Mcvey in the Wirral
You have confirmed you were Politically aware in your return email

[/quote]I assume from what you say that Esther McVey is standing in The Wirral also, right? [quote]

Do you still maintain you couldn't see the wood through the trees. Mr Bennett on paper you were the leader of UKIP for a few days you were also the researcher for Robert Kilroy Silk its leader are you telling me you didn't research the ramifications and implications your visit to Mr Kirwan could have not only for the MF and yourself but Mr Kirwan. I am along with a few others here concerned that this part of the MBM story isn't about MBM but motivated by things I can't even begin to understand.

For those of you that don't know why My Kirwan left the Conservative Party here is a link, Bit of a loose cannon our Mr Kirwan.

http://archive.thisischeshire.co.uk/2007/6/5/290287.html

IMHO I think all this posting of emails from and to Mr Kirwan is ruining any political chance he may have I have now removed your responses on my blog from public as the short visit from CR followed by Conservative Party HQ London put the wind up me. I decided they were not interested in my Ramblings therefore they were more interested in what you had posted.

Once again I thank you for your responses it has been a real eye opener.

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Forgot your 2nd answer the one LA wouldn't answer. The fact that Mr Kirwan was the only Independant standing in the Wirral.
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Post by aiyoyo on 03.01.10 13:11

Cherub wrote:In a futile attempt to stop it being published on MM.

Futile? Does it mean it's too late?

In that case, why not post it up then?
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Post by Guest on 03.01.10 13:16

Thanks for that Nits. As usual, you put your points across in a measured and respectful way. thumbsup
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