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Post by Cheshire Cat on 19.12.10 6:46

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KATE and Gerry McCann have reacted angrily to revelations by WikiLeaks that alleged British police had been helping to build a case against them over the disappearance of their daughter Madeleine.

In a statement on their Find Madeleine website, they said: “The WikiLeaks ‘news’ this week has led to the repetition of many unfounded smears. This has been seized on as an opportunity by those who wish to compound our suffering and hamper our efforts, including the very person who was entrusted with finding our daughter.”

The couple are locked in a bitter civil dispute with former ­Portuguese police chief Goncalo Amaral over claims he made in his book, Maddie: The Truth Of The Lie.

Earlier this year the McCanns met [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Secretary Theresa May and were hoping to persuade her to order a review of all the known evidence but the attempt was unsuccessful.


Their statement adds: “Those who could help Madeleine but choose to do nothing are also complicit in this injustice.

“Madeleine is the person who suffers most from all of this injustice. It is that fact alone which causes us the most distress. It is absolutely heart-breaking.”

Last week newspapers published information from Wiki­Leaks about a meeting between US ambassador to Portugal Al Hoffman and the British ambassador Alexander Wykeham Ellis in September 2007, four months after Madeleine disappeared from an Algarve holiday apartment. In a diplomatic cable the US ambassador reported: “Without delving into the details of the case, Ellis admitted the British police had developed the current evidence against the McCann parents, and he stressed that authorities from both countries were working cooperatively.”


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Post by Judge Mental on 19.12.10 8:44

'Kate and Gerry McCann have reacted angrily .......'

Nothing new there then.

If nothing else, they have always been consistent in their reactions to any mention of their being implicated in the disappearance of their child. However, they will certainly have to learn how to control all their anger and fury during the coming year, when the public become fully aware of the British police initiatives which helped to stack up all the evidence against them. They have spent the past three years and eight months berating Amaral and the Portuguese police through the UK media, but as their chickens come home to roost, they will find themselves having to admit, that it was not only the Portguese police who had totally negated their claim that Madeleine had been abducted from her bed.

It seems odd that the McCanns have not expressed some of their excessive fury and anger towards Leicester police for not acting upon and withholding two of their friends statements from the PJ for five months. Nor have they expressed any desire to know if Leicester police held onto or dismissed any other information which the Portuguese may have considered vital, or may have led to fresh leads. Exton, Halligen, Edgar and Cowley et al have also ignored the shortcomings of Leicester police, and proceeded to focus all their investigations outside of the UK, preferring to look at leads as far away as Australia and Morocco rather than deal with what may be in their own backyard.

The McCanns have not expressed a desire to learn more from the expert findings of police officers such as Mark Harrison and Martin Grime, and indeed they seem to have dismissed them as completely unreliable; and continued to employ their own private detectives. To do what precisely, we still do not know.

It is remarkable that Mark Harrison and Martin Grime seem to have been allowed to fade into the background, and have not been called to answer for what we can only assume to be their total unreliability. How do they feel about being dismissed in this way? Where does the Home Office stand with regard to these two experts and the overwhelming odds of the dogs only being interested in the McCanns possessions, apartment, and hired car?

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Post by PeterMac on 19.12.10 10:01

Thanks for the link.
Read the comments before they are whooshed !
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Post by Jill Havern on 19.12.10 11:08

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Read the comments before they are whooshed !

Blimey, they were certainly whooshed quickly today! But here are the comments the Sunday Express don't want you to see.

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Post by Angelique on 21.12.10 11:22

"Their statement adds: “Those who could help Madeleine but choose to do nothing are also complicit in this injustice."

I am not surprised that K & G are furious about Wikileaks. As this is yet another source of information which may shatter all their previous statements about their innocence. Not to mention the T7.

But the use of the word "complicit" in the above extract from their statement really annoys me. I, nor anyone else who does not believe their abduction theory, nor the Home Secretary have any grounds for being accused of "complicit" in any injustice.

Why are they using this particular word. Complicit means being involved in unlawful activity.

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Post by Guest on 07.02.14 12:03

It's been seven years, most of the British Public will have forgotten what was in the MSM when Madeleine McCann first went missing, all they hear and read now is down to the MSM dancing to Team McCann spin and what AR/SY are alledgedly doIng in their search for Madeleine.

The UK Public and people around the world should not be allowed to forget what was said regarding the McCanns in the wikileaks cable, but they are forgetting because of media manipulation and disinformatation

Tthe Guardian also printed the story:.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2010/dec/13/wikileaks-madeleine-mccann-british-police?intcmp=239

Suprised it's still there.
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Post by jeanmonroe on 07.02.14 12:51



WikiLeaks cables: UK police 'developed' evidence against McCanns

British ambassador's reported comments to US counterpart offer insight into role of UK police in 2007 investigation
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The Guardian, Monday 13 December 2010 21.30 GMT

Madeleine McCann is mentioned twice in the WikiLeaks cables. Photograph: PA

British police helped to "develop evidence" against Madeleine McCann's parents as they were investigated by Portuguese police as formal suspects in the disappearance of their daughter, the US ambassador to Portugal was told by his British counterpart in September 2007.

The meeting between US ambassador Al Hoffman and the British ambassador, Alexander Wykeham Ellis, took place a fortnight after Kate and Gerry McCann were formally declared arguidos, or suspects, by Portuguese police. The McCanns have said that there was "absolutely no evidence to implicate them in Madeleine's disappearance whatsoever."

In a diplomatic cable marked confidential, the US ambassador reported: "Without delving into the details of the case, Ellis admitted that the British police had developed the current evidence against the McCann parents, and he stressed that authorities from both countries were working co-operatively."

The comments attributed to the ambassador appear to contradict the widespread perception at the time that Portuguese investigators were the driving force behind the treatment of the McCanns as suspects in the case.

The disclosure comes as WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange returns to court in an attempt to secure bail following his arrest last week at the request of Swedish authorities who want to interview him over allegations of sexual assault. A number of other cables released by the whistleblowers' website shed new light on aspects of the financial crisis. Revelations include:

• RBS chairman Sir Philip Hampton said the board of the bank breached their "fiduciary responsibilities" by allowing the takeover of the Dutch bank ABN Amro.

• The Bank of England governor, Mervyn King, was so worried about the health of the banks that he proposed a secret international fund to recapitalise them six months before the collapse of Lehman Brothers.

• US officials expressed doubts in October 2008 over whether Ireland appreciated how much trouble its banks were in.

In one of two cables referring to the McCann case, the US ambassador notes: "Madeleine McCann's disappearance in the south of Portugal in May 2007 has generated international media attention with controversy surrounding the Portuguese-led police investigation and the actions of Madeleine's parents."

He reported that his British counterpart thought "that the media frenzy was to be expected and was acceptable as long as government officials keep their comments behind closed doors".

It was not until 21 July 2008 that the Portuguese authorities shelved their investigation and lifted the arguido status of the McCanns. Responding to the contents of the cable, a spokesman for the McCanns told the Guardian: "This is an entirely historic note that is more than three years old. Subsequently, Kate and Gerry had their arguido status lifted, with the Portuguese authorities making it perfectly clear that there was absolutely no evidence to implicate them in Madeleine's disappearance whatsoever.

"To this day, they continue to work tirelessly on the search for their daughter, co-operating when appropriate with both the Portuguese and British authorities."

British authorities had substantial involvement in the investigation launched after Madeleine disappeared in May 2007 from the holiday apartment where the McCanns had left their three children in bed before joining friends at a nearby restaurant in the Algarve village of Praia da Luz. At least one British sniffer dog was used in the investigation and, according to reports, was said to have picked up the scent of a dead body in the apartment.

In 2008, when a dossier detailing investigations by Portuguese police was made public, it emerged British scientists had warned that DNA tests on a sample from the McCanns' holiday hire car were inconclusive days before they were made suspects. It is known that the Forensic Science Service analysed material sent to Britain by Portuguese police. A spokesman for Leicestershire police said their involvement in the investigation was limited to co-ordinating UK-based inquiries on behalf of the Portuguese authorities.
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Post by Guest on 08.02.14 9:59

Thanks for being on the ball jeanmonroe in posting the Guardian story. So silly of me to say "suprised it's still there" and not post the artical, which could have gone the way of so many others.   roses
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Post by Guest on 08.02.14 10:16

@jeanmonroe wrote:

"To this day, they continue to work tirelessly on the search for their daughter, co-operating when appropriate with both the Portuguese and British authorities."


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So they don't actually search or co-operate according to their Spokesman

Oooooh look - I found a Clarence smily  clown
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Post by Woofer on 08.02.14 10:33

Poe wrote:
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"To this day, they continue to work tirelessly on the search for their daughter, co-operating when appropriate with both the Portuguese and British authorities."


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So they don't actually search or co-operate according to their Spokesman

Oooooh look - I found a Clarence smily  clown

They co-operate with the Portuguese and British authorities WHEN APPROPRIATE do they ?  You can`t get more superior than that. 

Can you imagine any one of us refusing to co-operate with any police investigation because we don`t believe its APPROPRIATE  ................... unbelieeeeeeeeeeeeeevable.
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Post by jeanmonroe on 08.02.14 12:53

Any less inappropriate than David Payne, their fellow holiday maker and GM's 'searching' partner at 4:00am on 4th May 2007?

Who would not (has not told?) tell the police what the few things that he knows are relevent and pertinent to establishing the material truth about the 'disapperance' of Madeleine McCann.

DC 1485 MESSIAH: "Is there anything that you consider pertinent or relevant to establish the material truth''?

DAVID PAYNE Reply:  "Err the, there are a few things but I don't think this is the right forum for bringing those up.'

Presumeably, the next common 'crim' to be questioned by any UK police in relation to what he/she possibly knows about a suspicious 'crime' will be able to cite DP's 'reply'.

And the police will just say 'Okay' and not question further,......... like they did to DP.
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Post by diatribe on 08.02.14 13:17

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DAVID PAYNE Reply:  "Err the, there are a few things but I don't think this is the right forum for bringing those up.'

Presumeably, the next common 'crim' to be questioned by any UK police in relation to what he/she possibly knows about a suspicious 'crime' will be able to cite DP's 'reply'.

And the police will just say 'Okay' and not question further,......... like they did to DP.

That would depend upon the nature of the circumstances, Jean. In this instance, Payne would have presumably been interviewed as a voluntary witness, therefore if he wasn't prepared to be forthcoming with his answers, there wouldn't have been any point in questioning him further.

Had he been interviewed under caution, his comment of "Err the, there are a few things but I don't think this is the right forum for bringing those up.'' would have been taken in the same vein as a no comment reply. The police officer would have then been duly obliged to continue putting further questions to him, which if met with no comment replies would have been kept to the minimum required to constitute an interview. In other words, the skeletonised facts of the matter for which he was being questioned as a suspected person.

Only in the event of a suspected person being prepared to answer questions would the interview become prolonged. In which case it was last as long as the person was prepared to answer questions or until such time as the police officer decided all avenues of enquiry had been covered. Obviously, it isn't in the interests of a suspected person to answer any questions whatsover, because one answer could lead to a number of other questions. If charged, the person could not be further interviewed on the same matter unless it related to another charge. As a former police officer, PeterMac will probably be in a position to confirm the aforementioned.
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Post by jeanmonroe on 08.02.14 13:28

I know the 'niceties' of the law.

What i find extremely strange is why haven't we seen the whole McCann 'clan' and Healy 'family' descending on DP to get him to tell them what he knows are the few things that are pertinent and relevent to the truth about the 'disapperance' of their family 'member'.
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Post by diatribe on 08.02.14 13:47

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What i find extremely strange is why haven't we seen the whole McCann 'clan' and Healy 'family' descending on DP to get him to tell them what he knows are the few things that are pertinent and relevent to the truth about the 'disapperance' of their family 'member'.
Obviously this is a point of irony that is self explanatory, after all, turkeys don't vote for Yultide. I struggle to envisage any form of images in my mind that would include either the McCann or Healy tribes descending from a great height to impinge on a potential witness to clarify any matters 'pertinent' and 'relevant' to the 'disappearance' of their family member. big grin
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Post by PEANUT66 on 08.02.14 16:30

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Any less inappropriate than David Payne, their fellow holiday maker and GM's 'searching' partner at 4:00am on 4th May 2007?

Who would not (has not told?) tell the police what the few things that he knows are relevent and pertinent to establishing the material truth about the 'disapperance' of Madeleine McCann.

DC 1485 MESSIAH: "Is there anything that you consider pertinent or relevant to establish the material truth''?

DAVID PAYNE Reply:  "Err the, there are a few things but I don't think this is the right forum for bringing those up.'

Presumeably, the next common 'crim' to be questioned by any UK police in relation to what he/she possibly knows about a suspicious 'crime' will be able to cite DP's 'reply'.

And the police will just say 'Okay' and not question further,......... like they did to DP.
Wonder if this has anything to do with his name being omitted from the crimewatch in October, His omission from the show has baffled me!
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Post by diatribe on 08.02.14 16:52

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Wonder if this has anything to do with his name being omitted from the crimewatch in October, His omission from the show has baffled me!
I think it far more likely that his Equity card had been cancelled due to a lapse of payments.
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Post by Guest on 08.02.14 16:56

@jeanmonroe wrote:Any less inappropriate than David Payne, their fellow holiday maker and GM's 'searching' partner at 4:00am on 4th May 2007?

Who would not (has not told?) tell the police what the few things that he knows are relevent and pertinent to establishing the material truth about the 'disapperance' of Madeleine McCann.

DC 1485 MESSIAH: "Is there anything that you consider pertinent or relevant to establish the material truth''?

DAVID PAYNE Reply:  "Err the, there are a few things but I don't think this is the right forum for bringing those up.'

Presumeably, the next common 'crim' to be questioned by any UK police in relation to what he/she possibly knows about a suspicious 'crime' will be able to cite DP's 'reply'.

And the police will just say 'Okay' and not question further,......... like they did to DP.

Surely not to disclose something which one considers 'pertinent to the establishment of the material truth' constitutes perverting the course of justice?
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Post by diatribe on 08.02.14 17:07

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are relevent and pertinent to establishing the material truth about the 'disapperance' of DP.

Surely not to disclose something which one considers 'pertinent to the establishment of the material truth' constitutes perverting the course of justice?
It wouldn't have anything to do with perverting the course of justice, although there might be some kind of offence relating to withholding evidence. There again, if one refuses to disclose evidence, how could it ever be proven that one had any evidence to disclose in the first instance.

That surely would be entering into the realms of thought policing and I would think that any charges involving the withholding of evidence would have to relate to something tangible ie. documentation, weapons, clothing etc.
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