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Post by joeyxoto 09.09.22 10:29

Hey all, long time lurker here but also long time researcher! 

I came across something on the companies house formation of the company and wasn't sure if this had been picked up.

I cannot post links yet, but it can be found on Companies House, search the organisation "No Stone Left Unturned" and go to the first public record of the company. 

You'll see that the date of abduction is written as April 7th. I'm sure this can be seen as a mistake because it was May 7th, however, given the fact that there is a large emphasis on April 29th being the true date of reference, whomever was getting this document created may have made that mistake from confusion, i.e. they wrote April because they knew it was April, but meant to write May.

Anyways, just a random observation and could be nothing.

There is also a paragraph I found interesting which talks about how the funds are to be used, it reads: 

"...seek to influence public opinion and make representations to seek and influence governmental and other bodies and institutions" - make of that what you will! I find it an odd statement and a strange way to "spend money".
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Post by Verdi 09.09.22 13:29

Hello joeyxot and welcome  to CMOMM.

I think you are referring to this..

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3.2:  If the above objects are fulfilled then the objects of the Foundation shall be to pursue such purposes in similar cases arising in the United Kingdom Portugal or elsewhere.

The April entry is clearly an error, in the interest of accuracy the document actually reads 3rd April 2007, not the 7th April as you say.

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Post by PeterMac 10.09.22 7:25

Given that it was drawn up by the leading Solicitors and Accountants in London who specialise in Charities, it is another extraordinary lack of attention to detail, given the importance of that date in the scheme of things.

We remember the correspondence in which I brought up the issue of gross lack of "due Diligence" in the appointment of the various Private detective agencies, and their outraged response, shortly before the accountants HaysMcIintrye withdrew suddenly without having drawn up final accounts  . . .
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Post by joeyxoto 11.09.22 15:25

Having been a lurker here for some time, I've often seen the dismissal of the idea that high level elite trafficking rings may have had an involvement in this case.

Whilst it's not wise to throw wild ideas around without evidence, I'd like to point out a book I read last year that I found both terrifying (as a parent) but eye opening to discover a world that I was previously completely blind to.

The book is named "Pedo Empire", with contribution (and part written) by ex CIA director David Steele. 

The book dives deep into the world of child trafficking, and explains how parents sell their children into elite trafficking rings with protection from government agencies. The book dives into occult practices and other areas that I'm sure a conspiracy theory would find fascinating. 

Feel free to check it out; it has made me ponder on the vital factor that for me is still unexplained: 

Why so much protection for the McCann's. 

I'm working on a film at the moment and would love some understanding or counter arguments to some posed theories.

1. Is the idea that John & Tony Podesta being in Portugal at the time of the disappearance widely contested? If so, can somebody provide me context and evidence that they were not present?

2. It is my understand that the McCann's had visited Clem Freud a few months after the case, is there any counter to this or is this validated from Kate's book? 

3. The e-fits released closely resemble both John and Tony, what is the consensus generally about this?
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Post by Verdi 11.09.22 20:33

This matter has of course been widely discussed here on CMOMM, as you may or may not be aware.  I have no wish to rekindle such bizarre baseless theorizing here on the forum so I'll leave it to you to find for yourself.  All you need do is type Podesta in the forum's search engine and all will be revealed.

This is not the first time you mentioned your film making project since joining the forum a few days ago, I'm rather concerned about the possibility of misquotes if citing the forum in your production release, or using the forum as an information base.

Such as the Podesta brothers is but internet rumour with no substance to take it forward.  

By all means use whatever material you like for your own production, it is of course your prerogative so to do but do not use CMOMM and/or MMRG without 100% assurance that the forum and it's members past and present, will not be compromised, misquoted nor quoted out of context - even then not without authority.

I hope you understand my concern here.  From what you say, you are here to pick our brains so to speak, you've hit on the right place and I'm sure we are all flattered, in many respects but over the many years the forum has shown how opinions differ widely on the many aspects of the case.  Thus it's not a good idea to present something in a film you anticipate will draw the attention of thousands of viewers unless you know it to be 100% accurate and true to form.

Personally from the perspective of the forum, I'm not at all happy about this and where it might lead.  By all means use the forum as a reference source, that's essentially why we are here but targeting individual members to participate in something they know nothing about makes me very uneasy.  Indeed, maybe a better way forward would be to link this forum to your social media profile, whatever it may.  Then your audience could read for themselves and draw their own conclusion.

Also, if you're looking to pick our brains, it would be helpful if you stay consistent with posting on the open forum.  It makes it very difficult to get the overall picture of anything if part the work is conducted by private messaging.

We all aim for the same goal here on CMOMM, even if opinions differ on the detail - there is no need for any member to resort to private messaging or email contact.

I've already given links to the videos of Richard D Hall and PeterMac's free e-book, I think here it's important to mention the translated PJ files.  The documentation is essential to get an overall idea of the basics before embarking on a journey of discovery..

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Whatever you do, please be mindful of the forum's reputation and the integrity of it's members.

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Post by joeyxoto 11.09.22 20:46

Hi there,

The purpose of the questions is to get more information, not to quote a forum or its members.

I disagree with regards to messaging actually, I've contacted authorities on the case (which I'm not, hence the questions), and the very reason I've done that is to ensure that I'm getting the best information, but also to ensure that the individuals are happy for me quote their research.

I'll not post again, and will just read.

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Post by joeyxoto 11.09.22 20:59

On another note, the purpose of the film is to make the information more accessible.

Sending people to a forum to spend a long time reading up, cross referencing and what not, whilst a sensible thing to do, is not the way to distribute and widen an important story like this. Accessibility is important.

I must also correct you, in saying "I know nothing about" the case, wouldn't be accurate. I've mentioned I've followed this story for some time, but equally wouldn't say I'm the authority on the subject, hence the desire to connect with the individuals that are. That would be the sensible thing to do, in order to ensure the production is as accurate as it can be.

A part of that means I'll ask questions. That's what anyone researching will need to do.

Previous documentaries that have been produced on the topic, whilst extremely helpful, wouldn't hit a mainstream audience just based on presentation alone. Whilst I appreciate "presentation doesn't matter", it's important to create something that's going to capture interest. After all, the goal for me personally is to spread an important message.

Anyways, I'll keep my questions at bay.

I would like to share the script prior to me producing anything to ensure the story, accuracy and everything else is on point and correct. That's my plan and hopefully I may have the support of the forum to bring that together.

This isn't a project I'm being paid for, and I'm simply doing what I can to help create something that may hopefully have an impact on this case.
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Post by Verdi 12.09.22 1:17

joeyxoto wrote:Hi there,

The purpose of the questions is to get more information, not to quote a forum or its members.

I disagree with regards to messaging actually, I've contacted authorities on the case (which I'm not, hence the questions), and the very reason I've done that is to ensure that I'm getting the best information, but also to ensure that the individuals are happy for me quote their research.

I'll not post again, and will just read.

Thanks.

joeyxoto wrote:Anyways, I would like to use this forum as a place to post about the film, the structure of the film, and have your involvement and help in creating this project. Everyone involved of course will be credited, but this is a voluntary project, I will not be selling the film - and it's purely for free distribution only.

We are doing this for Madeleine and for justice.

Please let me know if you can help, and if this forum can be a place for me to share my progress on the project

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For the record I have never said you know nothing about the case - where did that come from?

Nor do I wish you to stop posting - where did that come from?  On the contrary, I wish you would post on the open forum.  Your rationale is noted but as I've already said, anything anyone would need to know is documented on the open forum where we are open and honest - it's all here for all to see.

You wont find any hidden secrets that haven't been shared publicly.

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Post by Verdi 12.09.22 12:57

For the benefit of members and guest readers alike, I have been contemplating drawing together all the most important factors of CMOMM/MMRG research in one place to relieve the tedium of navigating the forum, on reflection it's not really necessary as the information is already plain to see across the forum.  I don't want to clutter the forum with yet another duplicate thread - besides, I like to take members and readers on a journey around the forum.  A tour of discovery!

Here is one such important sub-forum that should be of interest to you..

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Whilst I'm here, would you have any objection to my creating a single thread for you to house all your questions, observations and work progress, rather than you having the trouble of starting a new thread on every point of interest?  I think this way forward would be beneficial to you and the reader.

Please let me know, if you agree I will get to work immediately, well almost immediately.

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Post by crusader 12.09.22 13:26

What a very good idea.
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Post by joeyxoto 12.09.22 14:07

I was wondering if anybody had seen the Netflix series "The Cry".

I finished watching this a few days ago and I was very surprised with the similarities in the story to the Madeleine McCann case. When the producer was asked if this was based on the Maddie case, he said it was "inspired" by the events in Portugal.

I highly recommend a watch! It's refreshing to see somebody in the media creating something that challenges the story, albeit indirectly through a "fictional" story.

 The story is about a high-flyer and his wife who seemingly have a child that is quite difficult to look after, who are using medicine to keep the child quiet during a trip. I won't spoil the rest, but you probably already know what might happen.
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Post by Liz Eagles 12.09.22 14:52

Is it available on any other network. I refuse to pay for Netflix.

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Post by Verdi 12.09.22 15:56

Many major video streaming platforms have The Cry catalogued.  It all depends on your geo location which streaming service you use, or subscribe to.

As to be expected, the show was discussed here on CMOMM at length at the time of it's release.  Again if you use the forum search function no doubt you will find it hidden somewhere in the archives.

I've watched the production a few times, never could I see any remote similarity with the case of missing Madeleine McCann.  It was however a good gossip feed for a while.

You've started another thread joeyxoto - would you please reply to my question a.s.a.p.

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Post by joeyxoto 12.09.22 16:09

I don't know if I'm using the search wrong, but I didn't see any related topics about this specific series.

I'll take a look at the other thread.
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Post by joeyxoto 12.09.22 16:14

Verdi wrote:For the benefit of members and guest readers alike, I have been contemplating drawing together all the most important factors of CMOMM/MMRG research in one place to relieve the tedium of navigating the forum, on reflection it's not really necessary as the information is already plain to see across the forum.  I don't want to clutter the forum with yet another duplicate thread - besides, I like to take members and readers on a journey around the forum.  A tour of discovery!

Here is one such important sub-forum that should be of interest to you..

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Whilst I'm here, would you have any objection to my creating a single thread for you to house all your questions, observations and work progress, rather than you having the trouble of starting a new thread on every point of interest?  I think this way forward would be beneficial to you and the reader.

Please let me know, if you agree I will get to work immediately, well almost immediately.

Hey there,

I think it would be very useful to have a thread, as I can use it to share my progress and also get help from anyone willing to provide any additional information shoot I need it.

I appreciate that.

Thanks
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Post by Verdi 12.09.22 16:51

No it's not you, I've had a look myself and couldn't find anything.

Quite frequently subjects are raised and discussed on an irrelevant thread, hence I'm always banging on about keeping on topic roll.

I'll dig around the back of my mind to see if I can remember where it might have been discussed - I might be some time.


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Post by Verdi 12.09.22 17:06

joeyxoto wrote:Hey there,

I think it would be very useful to have a thread, as I can use it to share my progress and also get help from anyone willing to provide any additional information shoot I need it.

I appreciate that.

Thanks

Here you go!

I will move over all your previous posts in due course.

OK?

As I can't adjust the date and time of past posts it might appear a bit muddled at first but it'll soon improve once you get going.

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Post by CaKeLoveR 12.09.22 17:16

Does The Cry bear a resemblance to A Cry in the DarK? That was about the dingo baby case, which may have been mentioned here.
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Post by joeyxoto 12.09.22 17:33

CaKeLoveR wrote:Does The Cry bear a resemblance to  A Cry in the DarK? That was about the dingo baby case, which may have been mentioned here.

No, this series is very very similar to the Maddie case. It's almost like the producer/director knew he couldn't get away with making a MSM story, so decided to make it a "fictional" story that essentially is the same story, with some small differences.

What's beautiful about the story is that it reels you into believing the parents are actually innocent at first. You don't expect it, and I suspect in the early weeks of the case with Maddie, we all felt that sympathy and panic for the parents as well.

Then the series takes a twist. I enjoyed it alot.
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Post by CaKeLoveR 12.09.22 17:39

If it's on catchup, I'll watch it. I don't have Netflix.
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Post by Liz Eagles 13.09.22 2:52

I searched for this and it is only available to purchase on Prime Video despite being a BBC production.

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Post by onehand 13.09.22 7:26

the cry did not get that much attenttion, but it has a topic; 

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Post by Verdi 13.09.22 12:54

Thanks a trillion for that onehand star !

As you say it's not much, I'm sure it was discussed elsewhere on the forum. I remember having something to say about it big grin mail dance

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Post by onehand 13.09.22 14:42

no thanks needed, verdi, i know you would be able to find it also. 

there is a bit of history about this tv series, it is formatted from a book written by helen fitzgerald. it is more about her way of writing , than this book., so it is not strange to see a typing of characters in the series 

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and there is a podcast interview done with her on you tube. and she looks to be what we called overhere a bread writer. nothing wrong in itself. it is work. it would mean such type of writers like to write what readers like to buy. more seen as a form of entertainment book, than literature. 

she was not a newbie in the world of tv scenario writing herself anymore. 

but my own conclusion is, yes of course it took lines from the madeleine mccann case, because people do pay for almost anything that hints at that case, or even is also about a missing child, because of the madeleine mccann case. . most likely never written from the personal opinion of the writer, but just because such stories do sell. so it has the upmake of just being making money of an hot topic. 
not taking any risk of mad mccann family members, because it is just called fiction. i do not see any connection that the book even was written to give another opinion about the real missing persons case at all. 

and in today's world of social media, you do need to pretend a series and book like this has lines parallel to any real case, because a member of the public will do that for you, so no risk, to make it. 
so the only good reason why book and series are out there, is because it would earn money. 

it works the same with all the stories out there about stolen and kidnapped horses, tell your friends about it and at least one would say, o, it must be about shergar. 

and for the series, the mccanns already became a stereo type as parents of a missing child in the eyes of the public. so it is not that strange to spin off the characters and behavior from the real case. writers likes it , if you get the idea you are in a real story. and that is also why we do keep on reading and looking at fiction. 

so it is just another of many more stories about the mystery of a missing child in the fiction section of the library.
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Post by onehand 13.09.22 15:36

are you sure verdi, you had an opinion on the tv series the cry, i can only find one of you about the missing.

something about a certain actor you once did see without clothes on and a flower in/on his bum?

and i can find a 'no longer there to see' use of a picture in the bullocks of grange topic taken from from the cry series. 

but for who want to search this on the forum also, it can be done in at least 3 different ways.

the first, just use the search engine of cmomm, but it is all but perfect, that is just because of the software of forumotion. 

you an also do it old skool; type the full internet address like this; https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/, put : or ; directly behind it in google and fill your choice of words behind it. 

and when google likes you, as soon as you start typing jill they ask if you want to search the forum in full and you just type your search terms in, and google will search the forum for you. 

and often all 3 do get a bit different possibilities. 

and there is a pretty new fourth one, but you need a bit of luck, there are forum suggestions down under the page you read. 

and when you want to search just one big topic, in google you can do the same by copying the full topic address into the search bar, again put : or ; directly behind it and type your search term.

and if you remember you did read it in the last 3 months you can give it a try by just searching your browser history. only works if you are not a cookie thrower. 

but we maybe are getting a bit lazy, because verdi is usually awfully quick in posting everything we need , even before it is asked. thank you for that, verdi!
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