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Post by Verdi 01.06.23 13:46

Talking of which - lest they forget..

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Post by Verdi 01.06.23 14:14

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Mark Hofmann

Mark Hofmann, a criminal profiler in Germany, said Brückner, who is serving a seven-year sentence, had a history of keeping “trophies” from his crimes. He said: “From chat histories with like-minded people and from other crimes, it is known that Christian B tends to do exactly this: documenting his crimes.”

Where is the evidence of these trophies?

“He absolutely matches the profile of a person who could potentially abduct and or kill a little girl like Madeleine McCann,” says Mark Hofmann, .

How so?

Having watched Dan Wooton's GB News studio debate about the ever so Unroyal Harry and his appearance before a court of law - 'under oath', I wonder how Wolter's witnesses from the criminal world, would survive an appearance before a court of law.

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Post by Guest 01.06.23 15:44

you are right verdi, i have not seen something that is usually is understood or called as a trophy of a crime. 

there are photographs found together with other material that also had pictures of cb himself who facebook would not accept in between them, also in his conviction about the abuse of that young child of a woman he lived with are photographs known. no investigation suggested cb produces all by himself.  

but a collection of pictures of child porn, without knowing the producer into all made them by himself it is hard to give these the titel of trophies. 

all the video productions are never been reproduced before a court , or found in any search in relation to cb, or in his possession. his career in criminal matter, where he indeed has convictions in, have nothing in it that could be named as trophies. 

the term trophies are more something of the movies and detective novels, and looks to be very much liked by the profiling world. okay there are a few cases known from serial criminals, that kept a collection of often simple things from the deed, or their victim to remember them, but it is far from common or usual habit. 

so even when the hill doctor or the mark who changed his name a bit because the former was equal to that of a serial offender both talk about trophies, maybe they could in their next lecture to the public also explain what they accept to be trophies in connection with this cb figure.

they walked the same set of stairs as the german cps does, to walk around the chair of the judge to talk people guilty, that is not how it does work in the real world. every one can say almost what he or she thinks, okay except in the uk, they have d-notices, but it is never in the job description of a profiler or cps to pass the court. 

nor the marks or the hills have seen the evidence, if there even is evidence, they can explain by examples as they like, but not in the way they do it now. that is not okay. and they have been to school to study the subject so they know it is not okay. 

i do care very little for the cb's of the world, we can very well do without these, but i think we can not go lightly on respect for the law. one day you need it yourself, and would like it also, if and when it was played by the rules of law, not by what we personally prefer. 

profiling is not exactly a science, it has very large margins of error, it can make you loose time in an investigation. or look for the wrong guy or doll. a profiler only gets access to parts of what the investigation digs out, and most investigations do very well without any profiler on the floor.

what they do not have is a gift to declare people guilty, the same for police officers independent of rank, or a cps, declaring guilty is beholden to a judge or jury in a court of law. 

so 2 things could have happened allegedly, the first, the writer of the piece left out the contraception the guys themselves have used, al the alleged, could's, if's and maybe's simple words that you get easily into everything you say or write. it is simply part of the job. 

or to many people only say they are experts, but are not really that, but just second rank figures who like to play it all nice and big to the public. they feel they are important and well above the law, except they are not.
these poor examples of their trade, do never belong under the eyes of in the ears of the public, they make a mess, or bigger mees than needed. they only built myths.

the media from the uk has still a field day with this case, they are still so lucky, they early on understand there never will be ever a court case about madeleine mccann in the uk, 90% what they have published would never had gotten out if cb or the mccanns, or any other one who found their attention could have been subject of an uk court. 

all because they still have a jury in tow, on mainland europe it is mostly one or more judges, or sometimes juries that only have judges in it. 
if what is written could have an effect on a jury of commoners they would have to rest their pens, or at least restrict themselves in ink and pixels. 

yeah we know they have found a lot of room around it, but still, they would be bound to that principle of a fair trial. 

still a judge or multiple judges in a court are not machines, they are human too, if the media together with a cps and some experts have declared a suspect, it would hard to still keeping on looking only for what will is presented in the court.
the result could be a lesser punishment, because the public appearance is already damaged, and that could serve complement to the verdict in court. 

and again, why are they calling others trolls. most of the common people are very mild in wording, look what happened if you read mccanns where cb is named or meant. both parties are by now suspect on the same level, if you cannot say it about the one, you can not say it about the other.
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Post by Rogue-a-Tory 01.06.23 16:07


I blame the press and media!

Much of which was led by the nose by Team Mc and their associates
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Post by Verdi 01.06.23 17:09

Quite so!

The same duo are unsurprisingly quiet about this latest revelation - but then of course they would be, they are on board with Operation Grange who continue to consider the case that of a 'missing child'.

Which is a matter of fact - Madeleine McCann is a missing child so in that respect they are untouchable - only their version of the truth is not quite the same as the documented evidence would suggest.

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Post by Verdi 01.06.23 17:22

I'm reasonably sure it was one of the witnesses connected with the name Christian Brueckner who claimed Brueckner kept trophies, or mementos of his past crimes - Manfred Seyferth I suggest.

There is little or no doubt in my mind who are masterminding the German intervention into the case of Madeleine McCann .... Manfred Seyferth and Helge Busching!

From the very beginning this so called latest development hit the headlines, back in June 2020 the two names have cropped-up everywhere but there is still no evidence to prove or even support their claims.

So much hinges on the rumoured video tape which has never been seen by any but Seyferth and Busching - allegedly. There has been talk of the tape being here there and everywhere but fact remains, it has never been seen.

The most worrying aspects of all this .... why are the German authorities involving themselves in such an apparent elaborate hoax? They are supposed to be experienced well respected professionals but they continue to try and build a case around the words of known felons who couldn't be trusted to know the time of day.

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Post by Verdi 01.06.23 17:25

Madeleine McCann: Police search for suspect's camera in reservoir.


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Post by Verdi 01.06.23 17:31

Madeleine McCann suspect was nicknamed 'The Climber' for his skill at breaking into homes and 'is capable of taking a child', partner-in-crime says

Manfred Seyferth, 64, a German drifter who knew Madeleine prime suspect Christian Brueckner, has spoken out about the 'terrifying' man
Brueckner was known as 'The Climber' for his ability to break into homes, he says
Seyferth called him an 'evil' man who would be 'capable of taking a small child'
Said Brueckner was burgling apartments in Praia da Luz when the girl vanished


By Chris Pleasance for MailOnline

Published: 08:27, 18 September 2020 | Updated: 09:58, 18 September 2020

A German drifter and partner-in-crime of Madeleine McCann prime suspect Christian Brueckner has branded him an 'evil psychopath' who is 'capable of taking a child'.

Manfred Seyferth, 64, said 43-year-old Brueckner was known as 'The Climber' for his ability to break into homes, and was robbing apartments in Praia da Luz the year the young girl vanished.

Seyferth, who acted as a key witness against Brueckner when he was jailed for the rape of an American woman in 2018, believes the peadophile is guilty of taking thee-year-old Madeleine from her parents' holiday apartment in 2007.

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Speaking to The Sun, he added: 'Christian is a bad, bad man. He is evil.

'I never liked him and he is a psychopath. He is obsessed with small children and I didn’t like it.

'He always had a young girlfriend with him and I think he is easily capable of taking a small child.'

Investigators from Britain and Germany have not charged Brueckner in the Madeleine McCann case, but earlier this year revealed he is their prime suspect.

While the case remains a 'missing persons' inquiry in the UK, prosecutors in Germany have gone a step further and claimed to have strong evidence that she is dead.

However, that evidence has not been revealed to the public, and despite assurances to the contrary, Madeleine's family and legal team say they have not seen it either.

German police also revealed that they dug up an allotment that belonged to Brueckner last year in connection with the Madeleine case, believing that there may have been child abuse images buried there.

It comes after detectives acting in a different case discovered USB sticks containing some 8,000 child abuse images buried near a different site that Brueckner used four years earlier.

Detectives claim phone signals place Brueckner in the area of Praia da Luz on the night Madeleine vanished from her parent's holiday apartment - May 3.

They say that Brueckner, who left Germany for Portugal in 1995 after serving jail time for a child sex offence, then left Portugal and returned to Germany shortly after Maddie went missing.

That tallies with an account given by Seyferth, who claims to have lived inside a camper van parked next to a farmhouse that Brueckner rented in the Algarve.

He says Brueckner upped and left after the schoolgirl's disappearance, and that he didn't see him again until a year later, at a hippie festival in Spain.

'He turned up in a big American camper van and was with a young girl, she looked about 15 and he would have been double her age,' he said.

'I didn’t like it one bit so I had nothing to do with him.

'That’s why I think he may have something to do with Maddie. He broke in and saw her and because he likes young girls — he’s got lots of convictions — he took her.'

Seyferth also spoke about finding videos inside Brueckner's apartment that showed him torturing and raping the American woman, which led to a lengthy jail sentence which he is currently serving in Germany.

Brueckner is appealing that sentence, with a verdict expected next week.

Seyferth said that, along with the video of the American woman, he and another man - Helge Busching - also found a gun, and a video of Brueckner apparently torturing a second woman, who appeared to be around 15 years old.

Describing the footage as 'evil', Seyferth added that he and Busching took the gun and tossed it into a lake.

It is unclear who the other woman in the footage is, though Seyferth said she appeared around the age of Brueckner's girlfriends.

Busching is believed to be the man who gave Brueckner's name to Scotland Yard, though it is unclear why he waited so long to do so.

Friedrich Fulscher, the lawyer representing Brueckner, says German investigators have yet to send him any evidence in the case.

He points out that his client has not yet been charged, and in the meantime, it is up to detectives to prove his guilt.

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Post by Guest 01.06.23 17:46

really, so much wrong do not make a right.

so in the uk of today, if you say you raided a place, you are in relity a witness of doing it yourself. well it sounds not even that bad, if you are sending out about 60 people, at least 20 from germany, but at least one must have been the curry wurst meister to look for a camera that was dumped in 2006 in a reservoir, because there could be pictures on it from madeleine, are you back in the dark ages, come on it can not only be the result of brexit a idiot in westminster or such. 

if this is the uk news today, you are fu.ked!

or is this misunderstood and just the famous british humor???? otherwise this needs a law to tell this is criminal, a crime against humanity. 

view it on you tube, they offer you the option to make a complaint about fakenews.
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Post by PeterMac 03.06.23 10:11

And NOW, when we have been watching the nonsense of the Lake for weeks, following the nonsense Famous Five arrows, and circles, and firepits and shrines . . . 
Come to the rescure

JON CLARKE, and the PROVES LIES  ( sorry the OLIVE PRESS).  typo you understand
This time he trumps the lot
EXCLUSIVE: GROUND ZERO – THE ‘DRUIDIC’ CIRCLE HIDEAWAY OF MADELEINE MCCANN SUSPECT CHRISTIAN BRUECKNER

By Jon Clarke (Publisher & Editor) -  2 Jun, 2023 @ 19:15


There follows the same tripe we have had forced own our throats for the last fortnight.
Brückner is wrongly spelled as Brueckner throughout, (though we have identified Clarke's lack of understanding of the 'umlaut' and his inability work a modern keyboard before)  
But it then culminates in a priceless montage of two photos where BOTH NAMES are mis-spelled.

Gaze on this, and wonder at the sort of person who can allow this go to print and be released into the public domain.

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Christian Brueckner and Madeliene McCann

Such is the attention to detail !!!!
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Post by Verdi 03.06.23 13:08

Madeleine McCann – latest: ‘Traditional’ evidence will be hard to find after 16 years, forensics expert warns

In major new development in Madeleine McCann investigation, police scoured remote reservoir in Portugal last week

Maryam Zakir-Hussain
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A forensics expert has warned that “traditional” evidence will be difficult to find after 16 years have passed since Madeleine McCann’s disappearance.

Dan Matthews said that investigators would have searched the remote reservoir in Portugal for “things that could’ve stood the test of time and not been destroyed by its passage”, such as clothing fragments or jewellry.

It comes after police investigating the disappearance of Madeleine say they have recovered a number of items from their recent search.

German authorities last week helped Portuguese crews comb a remote area inland from the Algarve coastal resort where Madeleine went missing from her bedroom during a family holiday in 2007.

Prosecutors said they would evaluate the undisclosed items in the coming days and weeks.

“Whether some of the items actually relate to the Madeleine McCann case cannot yet be confirmed,” the prosecutor’s statement read.

Meanwhile, investigators are set to widen the search for Madeleine after photos belonging to prime suspect Christian Brueckner revealed ‘clues’.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/madeleine-mccann-news-disappearance-latest-today-b2350786.html

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Post by Verdi 03.06.23 13:15

Mmmm .... especially when said evidence doesn't even exist smilie

I don't think a forensic expert is necessary to state the screamingly obvious, we all know this latest episode is a false lead that will eventually fizzle out, like all the other false leads gone before.

Still who knows - maybe 'the searchers' found an old soggy hairbrush or toothbrush or a good quality wrist band - or even the harlequin pantaloons affraid

I wonder why the Independent has taken-up the reins of this nonsense thinking

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Post by Verdi 03.06.23 16:14

'Strange, she didn't scream': Prime Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner's sinister claim to the friend who reported him to police over young British girl's disappearance in Portugal

Brueckner has mounted concerted effort to clear name by writing several letters


By Nick Pisa On The Algarve

Published: 15:14, 3 June 2023 | Updated: 15:14, 3 June 2023

The prime suspect in the Madeleine McCann case has revealed he was named by an informer as the man responsible after telling him 'strange she didn't scream'.

Convicted rapist and paedophile Christian Brueckner, 45, makes the admission in a letter seen by MailOnline in which he again attacks the police investigation against him as groundless.

Brueckner has mounted a concerted effort to clear his name by writing several letters all of which contain gripes about his treatment in prison, where he is seven years for rape.

In the letter he attacked informant Helge Busching - who initially contacted police in 2017 to say he had information on the case - while he was serving a jail term for people trafficking in Greece.

The two men had been pals in Portugal in the early 2000s but as Brueckner explained in his latest missive he says they fell out after a drugs deal went wrong the year Madeleine went missing and never spoke again.

He wrote:' The following sentences from the 'witness' Helge B in 2017 were responsible for all the public hunting and hatred against me by the German authorities.'

Then quoting Busching he writes:' I was at the hippy festival in 2008 in Spain. Manfred (Seyferth another witness) was also there as well and Michael (Tatschl another witness), Manfred, Christian and I then started talking about Portugal.

'It was then Christian made a comment about the missing girl. Christian asked me if I was still going to Portugal, I replied; 'I'm no longer going to Portugal because there are too many problems there, Portugal has too many police for me on account of the missing child.

'It is indeed strange that she disappeared without a trace. Christian replied:''Yes, she did not scream.''

Slamming the claims Brueckner added:' It's not even worthy of comment,' before going on to explain how they fell out over a drug deal.

He said:' In 2007 Helge B sole one kilo of hashish to me and when I arrived in Germany with it, I saw it was only 750g. After that he wasn't existing for me anymore (sic).

'There wasn't any conversation in 2008. Not even Manfred existed for me anymore after this. The point is that the main leader of all the investigations Helge B, who came free (sic) a long time before the regular end of his prison in Greece.'

It is known that Busching was convicted of people trafficking in Greece and in 2017 media there reported how he had been released so he could meet with officers from Scotland Yard after telling them he had valuable information.

At the time Greek media reported how he was questioned in a city centre hotel for several hours in a hotel room that was swept for bugs before officers for the Operation Grange team met with him.

Busching gave the statement in 2017 after being arrested while trying to smuggle migrants from Greece to Italy, it is claimed. He had a previous conviction for a 2011 assault on a beggar in Italy.

While under investigation, Busching was put in touch with Operation Grange - the Met Police team investigating Madeleine's disappearance - where he gave them details about Brueckner.

According to a Greek police report, Busching's evidence was 'given voluntarily and without monetary or other consideration' it is not known what his final sentence for people trafficking was and whether her served it all.

Busching and Seyferth have also told police they broke into Brueckner's home in the Algarve in 2007 and stole a camcorder and gun from which they later threw into a lake.

Both men claimed the camcorder contained scenes of sexual violence and torture against two women and they recognised Brueckner in the footage and it was this testimony that led to him being convicted of raping a 73-year-old woman in the Algarve the year before Madeleine vanished.

However the camcorder and gun have never been recovered and Brueckner claims that it was this testimony that kick started the investigation against him and led to him being named as prime suspect in 2020 by German authorities investigating Madeleine's disappearance.

She vanished from a holiday apartment in Praia da Luz on Portugal's Algarve coast in May 2007 - where Brueckner was living at the time - and has never been seen since.

Brueckner's lawyer Friedrich Fulscher said:'It remains to be seen whether this conversation took place at all as we have other witnesses who said it didn't.'

The revelation comes just days after German prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters confirmed items had been found following a high-profile search last month at the Arade dam just 35 miles from where then three-year-old Madeleine was last seen.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12155301/Strange-didnt-scream-Prime-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Brueckners-sinister-claim-friend.html

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Post by CaKeLoveR 03.06.23 16:17

To quote a recently deceased person of impeccable standing, 'Recollections may vary'.
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Post by Guest 03.06.23 16:46

nick pisa, always to trust him to change history. the clan of hb and ms never did get their access in 2007 of course, remember the ms telling , they found it a nice way to honor a friend, that was in jail when they did exactly that. in 2007 cb was not in jail.

but the lawyer would be fond of this story, by placing it in 2007 , the one and only nick pisa has given cb a nice alibi for things happening in may 2007. and that together with placing to other criminals in the area of all that happened in may 2007. 

i know, lies are difficult to remember, but getting it into rewritten history does not help either. 

and it was not that strange to remark the girl who would give the unknown them their twopence, was not something the media left out of their stories at the time. maybe that guy only had read it in a free to take newspaper somewhere in the badlands of spain. 

wasn't it not just part of the discussion, why that so outspoken girl just let herself taken away from her bed by that stranger, without a blanket into the cold night, wasn't that not the reason why the media brought in the sedation story? 
assisted by the media in 2007 and long after that time, the public got in the mindset, the brave doctors had of course sedated their kiddies, to go out and play. you know because it was their holiday too!

there is a difference between knowledge of a crime, or public knowledge (with a lot of help of the media).
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Post by Silentscope 03.06.23 20:16

Verdi #656 wrote:
The most worrying aspects of all this .... why are the German authorities involving themselves in such an apparent elaborate hoax?

BEST QUESTION OF THE THREAD...

Who or what is behind this Shameless and Continued attack on Portugal?
For that is what it really is. Brückner is just a means to that end.
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Post by Bird131 04.06.23 7:40

Wolters has already hinted at plans to conduct further searches in Portugal. This must be hugely frustrating for the Portuguese authorities who obviously have to accommodate the German police in their investigations. It would be interesting to know the extent of the "collaboration" taking place between the British and German police behind the scenes.
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Post by crusader 04.06.23 8:23

At least the German authorities are being open about what they are doing in Portugal, the British poilce keep asking for and getting huge amounts of money to search in for an alive 20 year old Madeleine.
They give no updates, nobody knows where or who they are or what they are actually doing, hiding behind it being a live investigation.
They have come up with zero in 16 years.
It wouldn't surprise me if they are collaberating with the German authorities one bit.
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Post by Bird131 04.06.23 9:37

An interesting point there ... the British police are "searching" for an alive 20 year old Madeleine, while the Germans are looking to prove she is dead. Does that mean if the remains of Madeleine are found, that Operation Grange will grind to a halt? Or, would that warrant them getting more money to carry on "searching" for those behind Madeleine's demise?
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Post by CaKeLoveR 04.06.23 9:49

Will it result in international squabbles and name calling of governments and police forces? It has been strangely civilised thus far.
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Post by crusader 04.06.23 11:02

I'm convinced the British authorities want the bogus search to continue because if it ends, they will have to answer some very difficult questions by freedom of information. 
They will no longer be able to hide under the guise of it being a live investigation.
Mark Rowley said he is satisfied the McCann's have been cleared of any involvement in the disappearance of Madeleine, not to my knowledge they have.
Infact the Portuguese police state the opposite, only closing the case because of insufficiant evidence against them.
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Post by Silentscope 04.06.23 11:18

Bird131 #669:

The Germans are not only Searching for a Body, they are in the belief that their Suspect took Madeleine Alive from Apartment 5A, and Killed her elsewhere.

Completely ignoring (Distracting) from the Physical Evidence that was found inside showing that she Died behind the Sofa under the Window.

This seems to be their Objective to me.
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Post by crusader 04.06.23 11:24

Exactly, dogs don't lie.
The reaction of the dogs is the strongest and most compelling indicator of the McCann's involvement in my opinion.
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Post by CaKeLoveR 04.06.23 11:31

Three countries involved, with differing agendas, and different goals. Find a dead child or find a living woman. I don't understand how this can happen.
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Post by crusader 04.06.23 11:46

And the only one's with any jurisdiction in the case, who came to the conclusion the McCann's are guilty, are just watching the circus clowns perform.
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