Christian Brueckner: To be or not to be
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maybe hcw did not directly, but his witnesses did. look back to the video material with manfred s.
and you can see the best declaration it is indeed a different case, in the press communication of the court.
in german;
Der Angeklagte befindet sich derzeit in anderer Sache in Strafhaft. Das Landgericht hat den zusätzlichen Haftbefehl vom 18.11.2022 (s. auch Pressemitteilung vom 28.11.2022) aufgehoben. Die Frage des dringenden Tatverdachts war vor diesem Hintergrund nicht erneut zu prüfen. Die Aufhebung hat keinen Einfluss auf die weitere Verbüßung der derzeitigen Strafhaft.
translation;
The accused is currently in criminal custody in another matter.
there is never been a video that contains the abuse of the american lady in 2005. both witnesses helge b and manfred s. have declared about the once existence of video material, but not from this lady, but another, but helge keeps on it was an old lady, manfred openly told on screen, the lady was not that old, he estimated she was in his range of candidates for adult entertainment, also helge told the lady on video spoke in english, but manfred stated it was in italian.
both are also the source for the other case with a unknown victim and time and date, the accusation estimated her age as about 14, manfred s, said 15,16 years of age. the place of that crime is known, because both witnesses could recognize the large wooden beam in the living room of the cottage/small finca near pdl, where cb lived before he got caught and send to jail.
there is never any video produced with the victim of the 2005 case in it, or in the case of the irish young lady. but in both cases the filming of his victim was part of the modus operandi.
the testimony of helge b and manfred s. could be used to sustain a connection between modus operandi on the video and the statement of the victim of the case in 2005, because both told, cb was heard on screen, and at the end of his doings he put of his mask on screen. the storing device itself and the material video itself have never been in court.
hcw could choose to bring on the cases with unknown victims, because both his witnesses have been earlier accepted as sound enough to convict. we only do see the press communication, but he had to do a lot more to convince the court these 5 new cases, they happen longer ago, but prosecution is new, could pass the court.
5 new cases is a lot, but it meant if the court did not accept one or more, he had still some left.
but i do not get the misunderstanding, why would any prosecution want to do a case over again, if that case already had a final verdict? and yes the 2005 case and case number 1 and 2 have a lot of questionable points, so there is never a good argument to choose to do it again, also it would not be called a new case or a different case, but a reopening, and it would be very unusual to do that with 4 or 5 other cases in tow.
the second case of depending of witnesses between 40 and 80 years old is not new in discussion.
cb is at this moment nearing 3/4 of his sentence he got for the 2005 case of the american lady in portugal, the full sentence was 7 years. in this case the victim is known by name, age and also the place the crime took place is known. that information was always known, because there is a crime report made in portugal.
in 2017 helge b. sought contact with operation grange and told cb into the story of madeleine mccann, but also refereed to the video's, grange got in contact with the german police, and the german police asked portugal about rape cases with the quite horrific description as helge had told about he has seen on the videodevice.
manfred s. was found on a unknown moment to be also witness of the video's.
the 2005 case was found in portugal that did indeed had the same mo as seen by both men.
but the two ladies seen on the video's by both men, never have taken the step to report a crime. the irish young lady recognized her abuse in the descriptions that ended up in the media, she had taken the step to file a crime report.
but the list of 5 cases hcw had brought to the attention of the court for possibility to prosecute, are 5 different and not earlier proceeded cases.
there must be a bit of statement somewhere from hcw that do call out to both and other ladies to come forward.
there was in the official call out for information only a little sentence; have you been a victim of his crimes yourself.
the german media have still small pieces online about the time the accusations are brought on.
https://www.spiegel.de/panorama/justiz/madeleine-maddie-mccann-haftbefehl-gegen-christian-b-wegen-weiterer-sexualstraftaten-erlassen-a-73e3e5f9-5a57-4a38-978d-5e49816676be
citation; Some of the other alleged victims are unknown so far. The investigators refer to video recordings which the accused himself is said to have made of the victims during the crimes. However, the police do not have the recordings. The prosecution relies on witness statements by two men who testified about the videos. One of them had also accused B. in the Madeleine McCann case. The three-year-old girl had disappeared from a Portuguese holiday resort in 2007. To this day, there is no trace of Madeleine.
want a different one, try this one to long to translate;https://www.stern.de/panorama/verbrechen/fall--maddie---die-akte-des-hauptverdaechtigen-christian-b--32807434.html
or this one, even better;https://regionalheute.de/verdaechtiger-im-maddie-fall-fuer-weitere-verbrechen-angeklagt-braunschweig-gifhorn-goslar-harz-helmstedt-peine-salzgitter-wolfsburg-1665495762/
it is not known when this case 1 (and case 2) happened, only that it has to have been before he was in jail in april 2006 in portugal, and helge b and manfred s. raided his cottage. the most earliest date is usually from when the type of video system became on the market , together with cb being in portugal.
cb came out of jail just before christmas 2006, but did never have lived at that pdl address after it.
it is not the only detail that gives a mix up because it is taken on by the uk media. so in total there have been 4 rape cases to women brought in investigation against cb, the first one is the already final verdict case of 2005, of the 72 years old american lady. the others are the case of the irish holiday rep, the very young lady, that made a mess of cb his carpet, estimated between 14 and 15 or 16 by manfred s. and the second older lady no name, no date and time and no place known. only the last 3 are part of the 5 cases in the accusation that is for now in a stand still until further notice. the other two cases of the 5 are the beach case with a 10 or 11 years old girl and the playground case where cb was caught red handed by parents and taken into custody in portugal, before being extradited to germany, for earlier convictions of child abuse and drugs.
there is also absolutely nothing to gain from opening up the 2005 case, but everything to loose, the risk it becomes a mistrial is far to great, that means they have to let go of cb immediately, without the 2005 case there are no outstanding cases against him to keep him of the streets. so even when hcw gives not a very good representation of a prosecution officer, he is not completely of his rocker.
maybe the media and the bka could have been more clear in their presentation, but their is nothing that will tell the 2005 case and case 1 are the same case. because they are not and have never been that.
and you can see the best declaration it is indeed a different case, in the press communication of the court.
in german;
Der Angeklagte befindet sich derzeit in anderer Sache in Strafhaft. Das Landgericht hat den zusätzlichen Haftbefehl vom 18.11.2022 (s. auch Pressemitteilung vom 28.11.2022) aufgehoben. Die Frage des dringenden Tatverdachts war vor diesem Hintergrund nicht erneut zu prüfen. Die Aufhebung hat keinen Einfluss auf die weitere Verbüßung der derzeitigen Strafhaft.
translation;
The accused is currently in criminal custody in another matter.
there is never been a video that contains the abuse of the american lady in 2005. both witnesses helge b and manfred s. have declared about the once existence of video material, but not from this lady, but another, but helge keeps on it was an old lady, manfred openly told on screen, the lady was not that old, he estimated she was in his range of candidates for adult entertainment, also helge told the lady on video spoke in english, but manfred stated it was in italian.
both are also the source for the other case with a unknown victim and time and date, the accusation estimated her age as about 14, manfred s, said 15,16 years of age. the place of that crime is known, because both witnesses could recognize the large wooden beam in the living room of the cottage/small finca near pdl, where cb lived before he got caught and send to jail.
there is never any video produced with the victim of the 2005 case in it, or in the case of the irish young lady. but in both cases the filming of his victim was part of the modus operandi.
the testimony of helge b and manfred s. could be used to sustain a connection between modus operandi on the video and the statement of the victim of the case in 2005, because both told, cb was heard on screen, and at the end of his doings he put of his mask on screen. the storing device itself and the material video itself have never been in court.
hcw could choose to bring on the cases with unknown victims, because both his witnesses have been earlier accepted as sound enough to convict. we only do see the press communication, but he had to do a lot more to convince the court these 5 new cases, they happen longer ago, but prosecution is new, could pass the court.
5 new cases is a lot, but it meant if the court did not accept one or more, he had still some left.
but i do not get the misunderstanding, why would any prosecution want to do a case over again, if that case already had a final verdict? and yes the 2005 case and case number 1 and 2 have a lot of questionable points, so there is never a good argument to choose to do it again, also it would not be called a new case or a different case, but a reopening, and it would be very unusual to do that with 4 or 5 other cases in tow.
the second case of depending of witnesses between 40 and 80 years old is not new in discussion.
cb is at this moment nearing 3/4 of his sentence he got for the 2005 case of the american lady in portugal, the full sentence was 7 years. in this case the victim is known by name, age and also the place the crime took place is known. that information was always known, because there is a crime report made in portugal.
in 2017 helge b. sought contact with operation grange and told cb into the story of madeleine mccann, but also refereed to the video's, grange got in contact with the german police, and the german police asked portugal about rape cases with the quite horrific description as helge had told about he has seen on the videodevice.
manfred s. was found on a unknown moment to be also witness of the video's.
the 2005 case was found in portugal that did indeed had the same mo as seen by both men.
but the two ladies seen on the video's by both men, never have taken the step to report a crime. the irish young lady recognized her abuse in the descriptions that ended up in the media, she had taken the step to file a crime report.
but the list of 5 cases hcw had brought to the attention of the court for possibility to prosecute, are 5 different and not earlier proceeded cases.
there must be a bit of statement somewhere from hcw that do call out to both and other ladies to come forward.
there was in the official call out for information only a little sentence; have you been a victim of his crimes yourself.
the german media have still small pieces online about the time the accusations are brought on.
https://www.spiegel.de/panorama/justiz/madeleine-maddie-mccann-haftbefehl-gegen-christian-b-wegen-weiterer-sexualstraftaten-erlassen-a-73e3e5f9-5a57-4a38-978d-5e49816676be
citation; Some of the other alleged victims are unknown so far. The investigators refer to video recordings which the accused himself is said to have made of the victims during the crimes. However, the police do not have the recordings. The prosecution relies on witness statements by two men who testified about the videos. One of them had also accused B. in the Madeleine McCann case. The three-year-old girl had disappeared from a Portuguese holiday resort in 2007. To this day, there is no trace of Madeleine.
want a different one, try this one to long to translate;https://www.stern.de/panorama/verbrechen/fall--maddie---die-akte-des-hauptverdaechtigen-christian-b--32807434.html
or this one, even better;https://regionalheute.de/verdaechtiger-im-maddie-fall-fuer-weitere-verbrechen-angeklagt-braunschweig-gifhorn-goslar-harz-helmstedt-peine-salzgitter-wolfsburg-1665495762/
it is not known when this case 1 (and case 2) happened, only that it has to have been before he was in jail in april 2006 in portugal, and helge b and manfred s. raided his cottage. the most earliest date is usually from when the type of video system became on the market , together with cb being in portugal.
cb came out of jail just before christmas 2006, but did never have lived at that pdl address after it.
it is not the only detail that gives a mix up because it is taken on by the uk media. so in total there have been 4 rape cases to women brought in investigation against cb, the first one is the already final verdict case of 2005, of the 72 years old american lady. the others are the case of the irish holiday rep, the very young lady, that made a mess of cb his carpet, estimated between 14 and 15 or 16 by manfred s. and the second older lady no name, no date and time and no place known. only the last 3 are part of the 5 cases in the accusation that is for now in a stand still until further notice. the other two cases of the 5 are the beach case with a 10 or 11 years old girl and the playground case where cb was caught red handed by parents and taken into custody in portugal, before being extradited to germany, for earlier convictions of child abuse and drugs.
there is also absolutely nothing to gain from opening up the 2005 case, but everything to loose, the risk it becomes a mistrial is far to great, that means they have to let go of cb immediately, without the 2005 case there are no outstanding cases against him to keep him of the streets. so even when hcw gives not a very good representation of a prosecution officer, he is not completely of his rocker.
maybe the media and the bka could have been more clear in their presentation, but their is nothing that will tell the 2005 case and case 1 are the same case. because they are not and have never been that.
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There is something deeply disturbing about this mix of information collated from various sources over the years - it keeps leading me back to Spain.
I recall having posted-up my rough translation of Manfred S's appearance on a Madeleine McCann documentary. Looking back on the Netflix thread I found this taken from an old Telegraph report..
This might appear irrelevant - depends where it leads.
I recall having posted-up my rough translation of Manfred S's appearance on a Madeleine McCann documentary. Looking back on the Netflix thread I found this taken from an old Telegraph report..
Meanwhile, Julian Peribanez, a Spanish private investigator once hired by the McCanns tells the documentary he infiltrated a paedophile ring sharing obscene videos and passed their details to police. Twenty three people were questioned and 13 arrested, and a former head of cybercrime told the documentary: “Some of these investigations may lead to these minors being found and rescued from their captors."
“There is always something left to do until you find her,” he says.
This might appear irrelevant - depends where it leads.
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I was under the impression CB was jailed for raping the American lady on the testimonies of Helge Busching and Manfred Seyferth, plus 1 hair from CBs head.
Did these 2 reprobates go into the courtroom to give evidence?
We only have the word of HB and MS there ever was such a video.
Did these 2 reprobates go into the courtroom to give evidence?
We only have the word of HB and MS there ever was such a video.
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I think I have found the confusion.
Onehand is correct that: The accused is currently in criminal custody in another matter.
The other matter was that he was already in Prison in Kiel for selling Drugs on the Holiday Island of Sylt. He denied Raping the Pensioner.
Christian B. hat die Tat stets bestritten. Zurzeit sitzt er noch eine andere Haftstrafe ab, zu der er wegen Drogenhandels auf Sylt verurteilt worden ist.
Source:
https://www.welt.de/politik/article220592440/Fall-Maddie-Tatverdaechtiger-bleibt-in-Haft.html
Onehand is correct that: The accused is currently in criminal custody in another matter.
The other matter was that he was already in Prison in Kiel for selling Drugs on the Holiday Island of Sylt. He denied Raping the Pensioner.
Christian B. hat die Tat stets bestritten. Zurzeit sitzt er noch eine andere Haftstrafe ab, zu der er wegen Drogenhandels auf Sylt verurteilt worden ist.
Source:
https://www.welt.de/politik/article220592440/Fall-Maddie-Tatverdaechtiger-bleibt-in-Haft.html
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the famous or infamous hair of cb, i heard some time ago a bit of a podcast with a true forensic expert in these affairs, i did looked her up, and i think that even john lowe would not have gotten beyond one of his famous inconclusives with that.
the problem is, that there is no unrestricted access at this moment in time, so a lot that is out there, is from tit bits people have downloaded and kept before, most german media guys do have print outs, but it is very difficult to check if it is still the real deal.
in june 2020 when it all began rolling the german database was still open for the summaries of all cb his convictions, i did looked them up when there was a list shared everywhere, and only kept my notes. but from september 2020 on the older case information about cb got barred.
and most is still is. so it is hard to really check what is said in the media.
and i will look if i can still find that podcast, but if this expert was correct, than that hair is only used to blindsided a judge with scientific mumble jumble. and the 2005 case was mostly resting on the two with a reputation, a bad one.
i still find it very difficult to think you get, based on what i could find, the 2005 case through a court. i never had the luck to work with such an easy peasy prosecution officer. i am used to the nitty picky ones, that always asks you for more, more info, more background, and more facts, more evidence before a case even made it to a court.
and from my certainly not endless experience with the german justice people, and them being german, it is still unthinkable to foresee such an adventure as der hans had made of it all.
amaral already has told a fair bit about the evidence der hans made use of. of course we are not able to check amaral, but no one has taken it on besides der hans to say amaral his words have not been in line with reality. her lawyer is making fair use of it. so there is little needed to just accept amaral was pretty serious in what he told. and from that very correct too.
so i dare to say from every thing that is out there, that one thing der hans never will risk, and that is reopening of that case of 2005. it is his golden egg, the madeleine mccann case is his golden goose, his pension plan. and he need some of the 5 other cases to get that into a court.
the problem is, that there is no unrestricted access at this moment in time, so a lot that is out there, is from tit bits people have downloaded and kept before, most german media guys do have print outs, but it is very difficult to check if it is still the real deal.
in june 2020 when it all began rolling the german database was still open for the summaries of all cb his convictions, i did looked them up when there was a list shared everywhere, and only kept my notes. but from september 2020 on the older case information about cb got barred.
and most is still is. so it is hard to really check what is said in the media.
and i will look if i can still find that podcast, but if this expert was correct, than that hair is only used to blindsided a judge with scientific mumble jumble. and the 2005 case was mostly resting on the two with a reputation, a bad one.
i still find it very difficult to think you get, based on what i could find, the 2005 case through a court. i never had the luck to work with such an easy peasy prosecution officer. i am used to the nitty picky ones, that always asks you for more, more info, more background, and more facts, more evidence before a case even made it to a court.
and from my certainly not endless experience with the german justice people, and them being german, it is still unthinkable to foresee such an adventure as der hans had made of it all.
amaral already has told a fair bit about the evidence der hans made use of. of course we are not able to check amaral, but no one has taken it on besides der hans to say amaral his words have not been in line with reality. her lawyer is making fair use of it. so there is little needed to just accept amaral was pretty serious in what he told. and from that very correct too.
so i dare to say from every thing that is out there, that one thing der hans never will risk, and that is reopening of that case of 2005. it is his golden egg, the madeleine mccann case is his golden goose, his pension plan. and he need some of the 5 other cases to get that into a court.
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read on , his drugs sentence was over in februari 2021, so that is not the other case he was in jail for in oktober 2022.
the uk media was not shy for keeping posting that drugs related sentence as his reason to be in jail much longer.
the uk media was not shy for keeping posting that drugs related sentence as his reason to be in jail much longer.
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In 1999 CB was extradited from Portugal to serve a 2 year sentance for sexually abusing a minor.
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According to the verdict, B. grows up in a home, starts an apprenticeship as a car mechanic after graduating from secondary school. As early as 1992, B. commits his first burglary, followed by several thefts.
In 1994, B. stands trial in Bavaria for the first time on charges of "abuse of a child" and "performing sexual acts in front of a child. To avoid a juvenile sentence of two years, B. breaks off his education and moves to Lagos in Portugal without further planning.
Over the next few years, B. and his girlfriend finance their livelihood by acquiring advertising customers for a German newspaper; later, B. performs assembly work in the company of an acquaintance. Because he does not become the managing director there as he had hoped, he sets up his own business in Portugal together with his girlfriend and another acquaintance.
But the plan does not work out: B. is arrested in Portugal, extradited to Germany and the execution of his juvenile sentence is implemented. Meanwhile, his acquaintance forces him out of the joint business. After serving his sentence in 2000, B. is left with nothing. His girlfriend has meanwhile separated from him, and he moves back to Portugal.
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In 1994, B. stands trial in Bavaria for the first time on charges of "abuse of a child" and "performing sexual acts in front of a child. To avoid a juvenile sentence of two years, B. breaks off his education and moves to Lagos in Portugal without further planning.
Over the next few years, B. and his girlfriend finance their livelihood by acquiring advertising customers for a German newspaper; later, B. performs assembly work in the company of an acquaintance. Because he does not become the managing director there as he had hoped, he sets up his own business in Portugal together with his girlfriend and another acquaintance.
But the plan does not work out: B. is arrested in Portugal, extradited to Germany and the execution of his juvenile sentence is implemented. Meanwhile, his acquaintance forces him out of the joint business. After serving his sentence in 2000, B. is left with nothing. His girlfriend has meanwhile separated from him, and he moves back to Portugal.
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https://www.rnd.de/panorama/sexualstraftater-mit-grossen-planen-das-leben-des-christian-b-VDXFDHQUINDOPF2BPDUXAHKALY.html
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EXCLUSIVE: MADELEINE MCCANN SUSPECT SEX CRIMES TRIAL WILL STILL GO AHEAD
Prosecutor and victim tell Olive Press it is merely 'a technicality' and Brueckner will soon face justice.
By Jon Clarke (Publisher & Editor) - 21 Apr, 2023 @ 13:06
A SEX offences trial of Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner in Germany has not been cancelled.
Despite global headlines to the contrary yesterday, a date had not yet been set for a hearing of the five charges that were levelled at the convicted paedophile, 46, in October last year.
The chief prosecutor in the case has told the Olive Press it is ‘merely an issue of jurisdiction’ and the trial will ‘certainly’ still go ahead.
Hans Christian Wolters confirmed there was ‘no reason to speculate’ and ‘nothing has changed’ after Braunschweig Landgericht, or the city’s lower court, provisionally passed the case over to the region of Magdeburg.
“And in terms of the Maddie case, for now, nothing will change as a result of the decision and we are continuing to investigate it,” he added.
In fact, police sources in Germany, told the Olive Press the case against Brueckner abducting and killing the British toddler in Praia da Luz, in May 2007, is ‘stronger than ever’.
And meanwhile, new evidence has emerged over the five s-e-x charges, three rapes and two child abuse cases, all in Portugal, between 1999 and 2017.
In particular, in the vicious rape of Irish woman, Hazel Behan, on the Algarve, in 2004, a new ‘key witness’ has recently come forward, the Olive Press can reveal.
The technicality, which will merely slow down the prosecution ‘between two and five months’, came about after Brueckner’s lawyer, Friedrich Fulscher, insisted the Braunschweig court had no jurisdiction over the case, as his client’s last address was near Magdeburg, 100km away.
However, as Wolters explained, this was a deserted box factory, in the village of Neuwegersleben, that had no running water, electricity or sewage.
Under German law you cannot be registered permanently at such an address and he will appeal the decision to Braunschweig’s upper court next week.
Failing that he will argue his case at Germany’s BGH High Court, which he would be ‘confident of winning’ as it has already made similar rulings on jurisdiction cases.
He is certain the sex offender was living on and off in Braunschweig since 2013 and had various addresses, plus an official PO Box there.
He has also been tried and convicted of the rape of a 70-year-old American pensioner, in Portugal, in 2005, at Braunschweig court, for which he is serving a seven-year prison sentence.
“It is logical that he be tried for all sex crimes in Braunschweig then,” explained a police source. “However, it doesn’t matter where the case is tried, the evidence has been uncovered and compiled from the BKA police headquarters in Wiesbaden.
“That evidence is stronger than ever and, if needs be, Braunschweig will send two of their prosecution team to Magdeburg to get the court there up to speed.
“Brueckner will still face these heinous crimes for which there is lots of very strong evidence, particularly, in the case of Hazel.”
Behan, a mother-of-two, now based near Dublin, told the Olive Press today she was initially ‘horrified’ the case would be dropped, but ‘has faith’ in the German police that the prosecution will continue.
“When I was called yesterday saying the trial had been dropped and asking how I felt, I was horrified. It came out of the blue and I couldn’t understand why neither my lawyer nor the police had notified me first.
“I now understand from my solicitor in Germany this is just a way for Brueckner’s team to slow down proceedings and it is merely a technicality.
“Thankfully I am still looking forward to facing this evil man in court and seeing justice finally done,” she added. “I hope this is sooner than later.”
The further crimes for which he was formally charged last year were the violent rape of a teenager and another older woman, in Praia da Luz, between 1999 and 2006 and the groping of a 10-year-old girl on a beach in 2007, plus exposing himself to four children in 2017 in a playground.
https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2023/04/21/exclusive-maddie-suspect-sex-crimes-trial-will-still-go-ahead/
Prosecutor and victim tell Olive Press it is merely 'a technicality' and Brueckner will soon face justice.
By Jon Clarke (Publisher & Editor) - 21 Apr, 2023 @ 13:06
A SEX offences trial of Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner in Germany has not been cancelled.
Despite global headlines to the contrary yesterday, a date had not yet been set for a hearing of the five charges that were levelled at the convicted paedophile, 46, in October last year.
The chief prosecutor in the case has told the Olive Press it is ‘merely an issue of jurisdiction’ and the trial will ‘certainly’ still go ahead.
Hans Christian Wolters confirmed there was ‘no reason to speculate’ and ‘nothing has changed’ after Braunschweig Landgericht, or the city’s lower court, provisionally passed the case over to the region of Magdeburg.
“And in terms of the Maddie case, for now, nothing will change as a result of the decision and we are continuing to investigate it,” he added.
In fact, police sources in Germany, told the Olive Press the case against Brueckner abducting and killing the British toddler in Praia da Luz, in May 2007, is ‘stronger than ever’.
And meanwhile, new evidence has emerged over the five s-e-x charges, three rapes and two child abuse cases, all in Portugal, between 1999 and 2017.
In particular, in the vicious rape of Irish woman, Hazel Behan, on the Algarve, in 2004, a new ‘key witness’ has recently come forward, the Olive Press can reveal.
The technicality, which will merely slow down the prosecution ‘between two and five months’, came about after Brueckner’s lawyer, Friedrich Fulscher, insisted the Braunschweig court had no jurisdiction over the case, as his client’s last address was near Magdeburg, 100km away.
However, as Wolters explained, this was a deserted box factory, in the village of Neuwegersleben, that had no running water, electricity or sewage.
Under German law you cannot be registered permanently at such an address and he will appeal the decision to Braunschweig’s upper court next week.
Failing that he will argue his case at Germany’s BGH High Court, which he would be ‘confident of winning’ as it has already made similar rulings on jurisdiction cases.
He is certain the sex offender was living on and off in Braunschweig since 2013 and had various addresses, plus an official PO Box there.
He has also been tried and convicted of the rape of a 70-year-old American pensioner, in Portugal, in 2005, at Braunschweig court, for which he is serving a seven-year prison sentence.
“It is logical that he be tried for all sex crimes in Braunschweig then,” explained a police source. “However, it doesn’t matter where the case is tried, the evidence has been uncovered and compiled from the BKA police headquarters in Wiesbaden.
“That evidence is stronger than ever and, if needs be, Braunschweig will send two of their prosecution team to Magdeburg to get the court there up to speed.
“Brueckner will still face these heinous crimes for which there is lots of very strong evidence, particularly, in the case of Hazel.”
Behan, a mother-of-two, now based near Dublin, told the Olive Press today she was initially ‘horrified’ the case would be dropped, but ‘has faith’ in the German police that the prosecution will continue.
“When I was called yesterday saying the trial had been dropped and asking how I felt, I was horrified. It came out of the blue and I couldn’t understand why neither my lawyer nor the police had notified me first.
“I now understand from my solicitor in Germany this is just a way for Brueckner’s team to slow down proceedings and it is merely a technicality.
“Thankfully I am still looking forward to facing this evil man in court and seeing justice finally done,” she added. “I hope this is sooner than later.”
The further crimes for which he was formally charged last year were the violent rape of a teenager and another older woman, in Praia da Luz, between 1999 and 2006 and the groping of a 10-year-old girl on a beach in 2007, plus exposing himself to four children in 2017 in a playground.
https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2023/04/21/exclusive-maddie-suspect-sex-crimes-trial-will-still-go-ahead/
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Silentscope wrote:According to the verdict, B. grows up in a home, starts an apprenticeship as a car mechanic after graduating from secondary school. As early as 1992, B. commits his first burglary, followed by several thefts.
In 1994, B. stands trial in Bavaria for the first time on charges of "abuse of a child" and "performing sexual acts in front of a child. To avoid a juvenile sentence of two years, B. breaks off his education and moves to Lagos in Portugal without further planning.
Over the next few years, B. and his girlfriend finance their livelihood by acquiring advertising customers for a German newspaper; later, B. performs assembly work in the company of an acquaintance. Because he does not become the managing director there as he had hoped, he sets up his own business in Portugal together with his girlfriend and another acquaintance.
But the plan does not work out: B. is arrested in Portugal, extradited to Germany and the execution of his juvenile sentence is implemented. Meanwhile, his acquaintance forces him out of the joint business. After serving his sentence in 2000, B. is left with nothing. His girlfriend has meanwhile separated from him, and he moves back to Portugal.
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'According to the verdict' reads like a court decision - it takes the whole thing out of context.
It is not taken from a legal document, it is a German press report reporting bits and pieces taken from other press reports.
Strange isn't it, someone who has led a life of crime, heinous and otherwise, manages to duck and dive authority yet leave a trail of salacious juice to satiate the appetite of the press and media.
The article in full..
Sex offenders with 'big plans': The life of Christian B.
Matthias Schwarzer
05.06.2020, 14:19h
Christian B. is considered the prime suspect in the case of the missing Maddie McCann. His résumé reads like a thriller: He changes his place of residence and his job countless times, always ending up in prison. There are few constants – apart from sex and violence.
Brunswick. 13 years after Maddie McCann's disappearance, imprisoned sex offender Christian B. is the prime suspect. The 43-year-old German is urgently suspected of having something to do with the disappearance of the then three-year-old British woman in Portugal. The Braunschweig authorities have initiated proceedings on suspicion of murder.
Christian B. is no stranger - his criminal record is long: sexual abuse of children, assault, drug trafficking, grand theft, drunk driving. B. has been in prison in Kiel JVA since December 2019. He was sentenced to seven years in prison for aggravated rape combined with extortion.
The court judgment from 2019, which is available to the editorial network Germany (RND), reveals: almost B.'s entire life is characterized by enormous criminal energy. He changes his place of residence and his profession countless times, always ending up in prison. There are few constants – apart from sex and violence.
A companion describes B. in a conversation with "Spiegel" as "engaging, dominant and sociable". B. seems like a “hopeless dreamer who always had big plans”.
B. flees youth imprisonment to Portugal
According to the verdict, B. grew up in the home and began training as a car mechanic after graduating from secondary school. As early as 1992, B. commits his first burglary, followed by several thefts. B. first appeared in court in Bavaria in 1994 for “abusing a child” and “performing sexual acts in front of a child”. In order to avoid a two-year juvenile detention, B. breaks off his education and moves to Lagos in Portugal without further planning.
In the years to come, B. and his girlfriend financed their livelihood by acquiring advertising customers for a German newspaper. Later B. carried out assembly work in a friend's company. Because he did not become the managing director there as he had hoped, he set up his own business in Portugal together with his girlfriend and another acquaintance.
But the plan doesn't work: B. is arrested in Portugal, extradited to Germany and the youth penalty is carried out. His acquaintance is meanwhile pushing him out of the joint business. After serving the sentence in 2000, B. is left with nothing. His girlfriend has since broken up with him and he is moving back to Portugal.
Hotel burglaries
In the coming period, B. has several relationships with women, but they only last a few years. Professionally, he tries again with the acquisition of advertisements and as a waiter. Between 2002 and 2003 he also ran a car dealership.
In 2005, B. committed a brutal rape in Portugal. He assaults, ties up, beats and abuses a 72-year-old woman. Then he disappears with her money. The investigators only found out about B. many years later.
In 2006, B. meets an acquaintance and steals diesel and solar panels with him in order to sell them on. Both are caught and sentenced for it.
At this time, B. apparently also gets into hotel complexes and steals. He is said to have told an acquaintance that he also climbs up facades and has already crawled into rooms where “someone had slept”, reports the “Spiegel”. It's the time Maddie McCann disappears too.
https://www.rnd.de/panorama/sexualstraftater-mit-grossen-planen-das-leben-des-christian-b-VDXFDHQUINDOPF2BPDUXAHKALY.html
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Behan said her attacker had a large cross shaped scar on his thigh, CB had agreed to an examination to eliminate him from the crime.
CBs solicitor said if his client didn't have such a scar he would have to be ruled out as the perpetrator.
Well, if CB has had an examination, they must have found the scar, otherwise the rape against Behan wouldn't be going ahead.
Behan said the similarities between her rape and the American lady were shocking.
If there was no scar found on CB, that surely would throw doubt on the guilty verdict for the rape of the American lady.
How can they bring charges against CB for the rape of an elderly woman when they don't even know the year she was raped.
CBs solicitor said if his client didn't have such a scar he would have to be ruled out as the perpetrator.
Well, if CB has had an examination, they must have found the scar, otherwise the rape against Behan wouldn't be going ahead.
Behan said the similarities between her rape and the American lady were shocking.
If there was no scar found on CB, that surely would throw doubt on the guilty verdict for the rape of the American lady.
How can they bring charges against CB for the rape of an elderly woman when they don't even know the year she was raped.
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In the eyes of the law, you can't go around shouting rape without producing 'evidence'.
I don't believe the Irish woman was raped by Brueckner. I think she's chancing her arm.
I don't believe the Irish woman was raped by Brueckner. I think she's chancing her arm.
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it is not that difficult to start a court case with so many unknowns. to work a case during the court case is difficult.
and usually such examples are reserved for textbooks in law school. the basic reason why you could bring on such a case is, because the court in reality has to follow articles of law books. and those articles, do not specify what exactly has to be there, but only what is a crime. so the crime named is the most important.
if it is a crime by law, it can be investigated and tried in court.
in this case a bit more specific, the case is most likely based on sexual harassment with some details, and it are the witnesses who have to declare all that they have seen and understand fits a crime, on the also not to reproduced video content. it will lead heavy on memory and opinion of the witnesses.
there is no victim to tell that it was indeed what has happened, or that they have been mistaken. an outsider can conclude or get to an opinion something looks like what they think it is, but in reality they could have been mistaken. they could be just made up these video's. and the victims in the 2005 case and the irish holiday rep have declared their offender did use video equipement during their criminal act. so it is difficult to prove there never was a camera.
most prosecution officers would not want to try a case on so little information and the lack of hard evidence.
bring on an investigation, and later on bring it to a court of law, it is not cheap, and no ecspectations for a win. so usually the case itself must have a good chance in leading to a conviction.
it is more into ethical reasons why there is often little support to bring such cases under criminal law to a court.
first , there can be, if the witnesses are correct in their observations, a victim, that had made the choice to not register a crime report. if that is happening you are, even if you are legally allowed to bring this case to a court, again not listen to the victim.
and in abuse cases it is very common, that the victims seek contact with the police themselves,(or outsiders with knowledge of a crime, and that is legally enough to report a crime in most countries,) but decide to say; no, i do not want to be part of more investigation, or going to court.
it is a well accepted rule of thumb to respect the victim in that decision. you do not want to be the next party that do not respect the wishes of someone who clearly said no. and it is hard to going through these cases as a victim.
basic information about the victim can not left out of court case. so when you do know time, date, age and personal information you cannot leave them just out of your case. there could be restrictions on full names, but this information is bound to that crime. this kind of information can be striped for some reasons, like wrong information, only found out after the files are send to the court, even during the case, a judge can strip it as it is not usable and for legal reasons. unknown parts could on a later time brought to the attention of the court, and become part of that case, a lot of investigations can be still ongoing.
also it is pretty extreem if a case you have a unknown victim, unknown time and date and unknown place, but happening in another country also, and you only entry to your case has to come from witnesses,with almost none credibility, most prosecution officers would just ask if you are insane.
but i dare to say, that these 5 cases and the 2005 case are not brought before a court on their own merits. it is not a conspiracy opinion to tell from all that is known about the adventures of der hans, that these cases are important, because each can deliver steppingstones into the case of madeleine mccann.
when the courts accept in its own right flimsy things, like the two witnesses their credibility. their weight grows. also building a modus operandi, because that will have specific capabilities of the suspect. it will never be so strong you can call that evidence, but it gives something to bring on as an argument.
there are massive gaps to fill in the madeleine case, and what lacks in facts and evidence can in potentially come from his earlier convictions. like making him recognized by court as a master get-in by window access, leaving little dna and other signs he was there. telling around, writing a book about it. the books are to have a presentation in one of those cases, diversity in victims.
from the piece of our most dearest reporter, i get the idea der hans has already looked in all the old filings about cb. still it was major blunder, he just had not to assume something because of his earlier investments in fall maddie, as it is named in germany. and ask for a pro forma court decision about what was his legal address, before cb got in jail. at least that would be the usual way to solve such things.
of course doing a hansell works better for the movie. you have your viewers sitting up and awake for the adds.
i think der hans would not give up by himself, only when higher up in the rankings,or the courts someone says stop, it will end, and there are not many ranks above him. 30, 40 years ago technicality failures did mean dead end, but in today's world the have often some form of legal super glue in use.
and usually such examples are reserved for textbooks in law school. the basic reason why you could bring on such a case is, because the court in reality has to follow articles of law books. and those articles, do not specify what exactly has to be there, but only what is a crime. so the crime named is the most important.
if it is a crime by law, it can be investigated and tried in court.
in this case a bit more specific, the case is most likely based on sexual harassment with some details, and it are the witnesses who have to declare all that they have seen and understand fits a crime, on the also not to reproduced video content. it will lead heavy on memory and opinion of the witnesses.
there is no victim to tell that it was indeed what has happened, or that they have been mistaken. an outsider can conclude or get to an opinion something looks like what they think it is, but in reality they could have been mistaken. they could be just made up these video's. and the victims in the 2005 case and the irish holiday rep have declared their offender did use video equipement during their criminal act. so it is difficult to prove there never was a camera.
most prosecution officers would not want to try a case on so little information and the lack of hard evidence.
bring on an investigation, and later on bring it to a court of law, it is not cheap, and no ecspectations for a win. so usually the case itself must have a good chance in leading to a conviction.
it is more into ethical reasons why there is often little support to bring such cases under criminal law to a court.
first , there can be, if the witnesses are correct in their observations, a victim, that had made the choice to not register a crime report. if that is happening you are, even if you are legally allowed to bring this case to a court, again not listen to the victim.
and in abuse cases it is very common, that the victims seek contact with the police themselves,(or outsiders with knowledge of a crime, and that is legally enough to report a crime in most countries,) but decide to say; no, i do not want to be part of more investigation, or going to court.
it is a well accepted rule of thumb to respect the victim in that decision. you do not want to be the next party that do not respect the wishes of someone who clearly said no. and it is hard to going through these cases as a victim.
basic information about the victim can not left out of court case. so when you do know time, date, age and personal information you cannot leave them just out of your case. there could be restrictions on full names, but this information is bound to that crime. this kind of information can be striped for some reasons, like wrong information, only found out after the files are send to the court, even during the case, a judge can strip it as it is not usable and for legal reasons. unknown parts could on a later time brought to the attention of the court, and become part of that case, a lot of investigations can be still ongoing.
also it is pretty extreem if a case you have a unknown victim, unknown time and date and unknown place, but happening in another country also, and you only entry to your case has to come from witnesses,with almost none credibility, most prosecution officers would just ask if you are insane.
but i dare to say, that these 5 cases and the 2005 case are not brought before a court on their own merits. it is not a conspiracy opinion to tell from all that is known about the adventures of der hans, that these cases are important, because each can deliver steppingstones into the case of madeleine mccann.
when the courts accept in its own right flimsy things, like the two witnesses their credibility. their weight grows. also building a modus operandi, because that will have specific capabilities of the suspect. it will never be so strong you can call that evidence, but it gives something to bring on as an argument.
there are massive gaps to fill in the madeleine case, and what lacks in facts and evidence can in potentially come from his earlier convictions. like making him recognized by court as a master get-in by window access, leaving little dna and other signs he was there. telling around, writing a book about it. the books are to have a presentation in one of those cases, diversity in victims.
from the piece of our most dearest reporter, i get the idea der hans has already looked in all the old filings about cb. still it was major blunder, he just had not to assume something because of his earlier investments in fall maddie, as it is named in germany. and ask for a pro forma court decision about what was his legal address, before cb got in jail. at least that would be the usual way to solve such things.
of course doing a hansell works better for the movie. you have your viewers sitting up and awake for the adds.
i think der hans would not give up by himself, only when higher up in the rankings,or the courts someone says stop, it will end, and there are not many ranks above him. 30, 40 years ago technicality failures did mean dead end, but in today's world the have often some form of legal super glue in use.
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Petermac observed that scars, operation sites, birthmarks and such would be on prison records, and therefore known about.
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“I felt something was peculiar in my room and I always felt as if somebody had been in there watching me.”
“I made it known a few times, I said it to people but we wrote it off as me being nervous. At one stage I had money taken, so I had physical proof that someone had been in there. My boss replaced the money and I thought someone probably just broke in chancing their arm.”
On the 15th June 2004, two weeks before her 21st birthday, Hazel went out to a local bar with a group of friends.
After her boyfriend had a disagreement with his boss and an argument ensued, she left to return home, walking the 200 meters back to the hotel alone.
Worn out, she lay on the bed fully dressed and fell asleep. She doesn’t know how long she was out for before she was awoken by someone calling her name.
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https://www.independent.ie/entertainment/radio/tubridy-floored-by-bravery-of-woman-sharing-her-harrowing-rape-ordeal-live-on-air/30921788.html
If Brückner did it, how would he know her Name?
“I made it known a few times, I said it to people but we wrote it off as me being nervous. At one stage I had money taken, so I had physical proof that someone had been in there. My boss replaced the money and I thought someone probably just broke in chancing their arm.”
On the 15th June 2004, two weeks before her 21st birthday, Hazel went out to a local bar with a group of friends.
After her boyfriend had a disagreement with his boss and an argument ensued, she left to return home, walking the 200 meters back to the hotel alone.
Worn out, she lay on the bed fully dressed and fell asleep. She doesn’t know how long she was out for before she was awoken by someone calling her name.
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https://www.independent.ie/entertainment/radio/tubridy-floored-by-bravery-of-woman-sharing-her-harrowing-rape-ordeal-live-on-air/30921788.html
If Brückner did it, how would he know her Name?
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I would suggest that if CB's Book that he is alledgedly writing in Prison ever gets Published, and it turns out to be 'Bigger than Grisham' he might consider Donating some of its proceeds to all those that have made fighting his Case easier.
Particularly those who have suffered most.
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Behan also said the man was wering a leather mask, I wonder if the police have looked at Martin Ney, also in prison in Germany.
He was known to wear a mask, has he got a scar on his leg.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6993149/Madeleine-McCann-investigators-focusing-convicted-German-paedophile.html
He was known to wear a mask, has he got a scar on his leg.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6993149/Madeleine-McCann-investigators-focusing-convicted-German-paedophile.html
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After completing his teaching studies, Ney broke off the subsequent legal clerkship before the second state examination and applied in 2000 with falsified university certificates as a social education teacher in a daycare position at a Hamburg foundation, which he held until early 2008. Already in the years before, Ney had worked as a youth worker in addition to his studies and had thus become familiar with some of his victims and locations.
Ney was apparrently Employed on a Permanent basis in Germany Crusader.
They Extradited himto France in 2009 on suspicion of a French Murder in April 2004, Jonathan Coulom.
Ney was apparrently Employed on a Permanent basis in Germany Crusader.
They Extradited himto France in 2009 on suspicion of a French Murder in April 2004, Jonathan Coulom.
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there is never found any information, that martin ney even had any interest in females as a victim. or as a partner.
his sole interst was young boys.
he was born in 1970 in bremen, and is said to always have been living alone in his adult years, he never had an adult relation at all. he had for about 4 years a foster boy living with him, at that time he had no partner, he never married, and his landlady told she never saw any female friends or partners when he was living in hamburg, but he was known to be visited often by young boys, people describe him as a large man, friendly and on his own.
he worked as caretaker in boarding schools and youth day care facilities, and was known for being care taker on youth camps and travels.
there are stil rumours he was at the time of the madeleine mccann case happened somewhere in the algarve also in a setting as caretaker on a holiday with youth. in germany he did the same with youth holiday outings for the red cross and the church. it is not uncommon such groups also do travel abroad.
facts are never got out if he was indeed in portugal.
multiple rumours about being one of the many blond man, do not really like to fit the description of martin ney, who is a large man, well over 1.90 m., who has darker haoir that usually not would be called blond. there is still some video around you can see ney moving around in a shop, he would not easily be seen as a normal build, average height man.
most of his victims he took on youth holiday outings, but also childhomes, private homes and holidayhomes.
his former foster child, always stated ney did never abused him, he lived about 4 years with ney. his victims are mostly not from the ones he had direct responsibility for.
most source are already gone, he was arrested in spring 2011, he was trying to rent a boy at that time, and behind the scene one of his victims tipped the police also with the name martin.
there are as far as i could find only drawings of the mask man around, and that drawing does not look very much like leather, more some knitted balaclava, with holes for eyes, mouth and tip of the nose.
he killed 3 of his victims from germany, stefan j. dennis r. and dennis k.
he is in germany convicted for life for these 3 murders and over 40 cases of child abuse against young boys. he is also declared suspect in france in the case of jonathan c. germany lent ney to france for 8 months to stand trial, but there is nothing specific to find about a trial and,if ney also got convicted in france in this case.
about martin ney as possible suspect in the madeleine mccann case, there are some snippets in old press articles that state, that the brittish had informed at the german police to that, and the german conclusion was, no, extremely unlikely, ney was only ever interested in young boys. from ney himself is known he always agreed to only been interested in young boys. no possible female victim of ney ever surfaced.
ney had indeed a day job, but he would have had his holidays too, and also part of his day job existed of taking care of youths during trips in and outside germany.
but there is nothing that shows any link to aggressive rape cases in portugal at that time by ney.
besides the use of a mask, ney is known for an black outfit, what did give him his nicknames the black man, the masked man, and he was outstanding as being a large man. in the irish holiday rep case she said about 1.85m. so ney does not really fits with that too.
his sole interst was young boys.
he was born in 1970 in bremen, and is said to always have been living alone in his adult years, he never had an adult relation at all. he had for about 4 years a foster boy living with him, at that time he had no partner, he never married, and his landlady told she never saw any female friends or partners when he was living in hamburg, but he was known to be visited often by young boys, people describe him as a large man, friendly and on his own.
he worked as caretaker in boarding schools and youth day care facilities, and was known for being care taker on youth camps and travels.
there are stil rumours he was at the time of the madeleine mccann case happened somewhere in the algarve also in a setting as caretaker on a holiday with youth. in germany he did the same with youth holiday outings for the red cross and the church. it is not uncommon such groups also do travel abroad.
facts are never got out if he was indeed in portugal.
multiple rumours about being one of the many blond man, do not really like to fit the description of martin ney, who is a large man, well over 1.90 m., who has darker haoir that usually not would be called blond. there is still some video around you can see ney moving around in a shop, he would not easily be seen as a normal build, average height man.
most of his victims he took on youth holiday outings, but also childhomes, private homes and holidayhomes.
his former foster child, always stated ney did never abused him, he lived about 4 years with ney. his victims are mostly not from the ones he had direct responsibility for.
most source are already gone, he was arrested in spring 2011, he was trying to rent a boy at that time, and behind the scene one of his victims tipped the police also with the name martin.
there are as far as i could find only drawings of the mask man around, and that drawing does not look very much like leather, more some knitted balaclava, with holes for eyes, mouth and tip of the nose.
he killed 3 of his victims from germany, stefan j. dennis r. and dennis k.
he is in germany convicted for life for these 3 murders and over 40 cases of child abuse against young boys. he is also declared suspect in france in the case of jonathan c. germany lent ney to france for 8 months to stand trial, but there is nothing specific to find about a trial and,if ney also got convicted in france in this case.
about martin ney as possible suspect in the madeleine mccann case, there are some snippets in old press articles that state, that the brittish had informed at the german police to that, and the german conclusion was, no, extremely unlikely, ney was only ever interested in young boys. from ney himself is known he always agreed to only been interested in young boys. no possible female victim of ney ever surfaced.
ney had indeed a day job, but he would have had his holidays too, and also part of his day job existed of taking care of youths during trips in and outside germany.
but there is nothing that shows any link to aggressive rape cases in portugal at that time by ney.
besides the use of a mask, ney is known for an black outfit, what did give him his nicknames the black man, the masked man, and he was outstanding as being a large man. in the irish holiday rep case she said about 1.85m. so ney does not really fits with that too.
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It keeps the 'abducted by paedophile' story line top of the menu and by association it keeps Brueckner the topic of the sofa detectives routine.
End of the day Brueckner nor Ney (try saying that when you've had a few) have nothing whatsoever to do with Madeleine McCann's disappearance.
I can't for the life of me understand why folk still continue to try to find a link because clearly there isn't one, any more than past 'suspects' - apart from the two 'prime suspects' identified by the Portuguese police investigation back in September 2007. They escaped justice then as they do to this day.
That is where all the evidence points.
End of the day Brueckner nor Ney (try saying that when you've had a few) have nothing whatsoever to do with Madeleine McCann's disappearance.
I can't for the life of me understand why folk still continue to try to find a link because clearly there isn't one, any more than past 'suspects' - apart from the two 'prime suspects' identified by the Portuguese police investigation back in September 2007. They escaped justice then as they do to this day.
That is where all the evidence points.
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Ney is a homicidal maniac and paedophile, with a penchant for young boys.
Sort that one out Julia Faustyna!
Even the McCanns have ruled that one out.
Sort that one out Julia Faustyna!
Even the McCanns have ruled that one out.
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I was thinking more of Ney being possible attacker of Behan rather than him having anything to do with Madeleine.
Behan said her attacker wore a leather mask and so did Ney but as been pointed out ^^^ he only went for little boy's and was not in Portugal at the time.
I had read he was in Portugal working with a church to help the homeless.
Behan said her attacker wore a leather mask and so did Ney but as been pointed out ^^^ he only went for little boy's and was not in Portugal at the time.
I had read he was in Portugal working with a church to help the homeless.
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Re: Christian Brueckner: To be or not to be
Every time I read yet another account of that Poor Donkey having that infernal Pin inserted again and again for the umpteenth time, I despair that those behind this constant barrage and spreading of Misinformation will ever stop.
Perhaps some of those correspondents with an abundance of Pins, could save just 2 of them for the Prime Suspects, identified by the Portuguese Police in 2007 and yet cleared without investigation by Operation (or lack of Operation) Grange.
Perhaps some of those correspondents with an abundance of Pins, could save just 2 of them for the Prime Suspects, identified by the Portuguese Police in 2007 and yet cleared without investigation by Operation (or lack of Operation) Grange.
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Re: Christian Brueckner: To be or not to be
that helping out with the church adventure was a rumour for that week in 2007, the rape case of the irish holiday rep was in 2004.
so that was quite a long helping out for someone with also at that time his day job in germany, spending most of his spare time abusing young boys. the ages of the boys have been between 8 and 13 years of age.
youth work is usually in the school holidays, and the 2004 case was on june 16. it was not officially a holiday for bremen and hamburg, the summer holidays for hamburg had started from 24/6 and for bremen 8/7.
he worked on holidays with children of schoolages organized by churches and the red cross, these are usually organized in the school holidays.
these groups are usually children from poor households, or with a not that heavy handicap, or learning difficulties.
i never have seen any link to helping homeless people. ney worked with children, and had a lot of company of younger boys from the neighborhood, and besides that was active with the youth groups, mostly holiday camps. it is known he did know his way around in a part of denmark as a tourist, he took his third murder victim to denmark.
so it is pretty far fetched to place ney into the rape of a woman of nearly 21 years of age in portugal.
there is also no school holiday in hamburg and bremen in 2007 around 3 may. it is not common people who work with children of school ages to take holidays outside the school holidays. he worked mostly as social pedagoog. he had a very short job in adult education, but was quickly out of it because he had little skill in educating adults.
his criminal career was very long, it is still a scandal, he had a lot of lucky escapes, but there was ampel coordination within police forces, tips that never have been followed up. no one noticed he did not take part in a large dna investigation. not a case to be proud of.
and it is not the germans do not have unsolved cases of missing children.
this case itself has already many patsies, the living ones have not been a success, the half dead ones and the dead ones also never made way. maybe it will happen when they decide to look into the people who have already a direct link to madeleine mccann. the ones who's basics are already in a certain set of files. or as thedutch would say, better one bird in your hand, than 10 in the sky.
normally if a witness with a certain reputation choose to nail another of that kind to the mast, and that witness do knows many details, but only he and a half wit knows all about it, it is sometimes a good idea to also take a very good look at the witness. it would not be a first, that your wannabee witness is the one with the dirty hands. it is not the case that the two star witnesses for the prosecution are telling the same tales.
so if it is about potency, i would not look at martin ney first, for these crimes.
so that was quite a long helping out for someone with also at that time his day job in germany, spending most of his spare time abusing young boys. the ages of the boys have been between 8 and 13 years of age.
youth work is usually in the school holidays, and the 2004 case was on june 16. it was not officially a holiday for bremen and hamburg, the summer holidays for hamburg had started from 24/6 and for bremen 8/7.
he worked on holidays with children of schoolages organized by churches and the red cross, these are usually organized in the school holidays.
these groups are usually children from poor households, or with a not that heavy handicap, or learning difficulties.
i never have seen any link to helping homeless people. ney worked with children, and had a lot of company of younger boys from the neighborhood, and besides that was active with the youth groups, mostly holiday camps. it is known he did know his way around in a part of denmark as a tourist, he took his third murder victim to denmark.
so it is pretty far fetched to place ney into the rape of a woman of nearly 21 years of age in portugal.
there is also no school holiday in hamburg and bremen in 2007 around 3 may. it is not common people who work with children of school ages to take holidays outside the school holidays. he worked mostly as social pedagoog. he had a very short job in adult education, but was quickly out of it because he had little skill in educating adults.
his criminal career was very long, it is still a scandal, he had a lot of lucky escapes, but there was ampel coordination within police forces, tips that never have been followed up. no one noticed he did not take part in a large dna investigation. not a case to be proud of.
and it is not the germans do not have unsolved cases of missing children.
this case itself has already many patsies, the living ones have not been a success, the half dead ones and the dead ones also never made way. maybe it will happen when they decide to look into the people who have already a direct link to madeleine mccann. the ones who's basics are already in a certain set of files. or as thedutch would say, better one bird in your hand, than 10 in the sky.
normally if a witness with a certain reputation choose to nail another of that kind to the mast, and that witness do knows many details, but only he and a half wit knows all about it, it is sometimes a good idea to also take a very good look at the witness. it would not be a first, that your wannabee witness is the one with the dirty hands. it is not the case that the two star witnesses for the prosecution are telling the same tales.
so if it is about potency, i would not look at martin ney first, for these crimes.
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Re: Christian Brueckner: To be or not to be
bevcoffee wrote:Every time I read yet another account of that Poor Donkey having that infernal Pin inserted again and again for the umpteenth time, I despair that those behind this constant barrage and spreading of Misinformation will ever stop.
Perhaps some of those correspondents with an abundance of Pins, could save just 2 of them for the Prime Suspects, identified by the Portuguese Police in 2007 and yet cleared without investigation by Operation (or lack of Operation) Grange.
Lack of Cooperation Grange?
In my view, mainstream media are comparatively well behaved, they only trot out the same codswallop emanating from a source close to the source.
The true culprits are social media who spin the proverbial web of deceit and misinformation, once they get a whiff of make-believe there is no stopping them. In short, what they know or don't know they invent.
Try as you might to put a end to this never ending crap, along comes more of the same with the same latent agenda being pushed to lead on a strange voyage to never neverland.
They walk amonsg us!
“We seek him here, we seek him there, Those Frenchies seek him everywhere. Is he in heaven? —Is he in hell? That demmed, elusive Pimpernel?”
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Re: Christian Brueckner: To be or not to be
The beginning of the never ending, according to a source close to the source close to the source close to ..
The Discovery + mockuplenty - my transcript and comments...
There are images (videos?) from two different sources..
1. An ex-girlfried of Brueckner referred to only as 'M', who doesn't wish to be named or filmed (Episode 1) because she fears media intrusion - can't argue with that. Anyway, she leads the documentary to the derelict factory (?) where the the USB drive was found buried under Brueckner's dog - allegedly.
2. Manfred Seyferth and his unidentified accomplice (Episode 2) found the camera with videos of the rape of two women in the farmhouse where Brueckner was said to be living, it was there that all the doors were open and the inside had been torn apart. Seyferth thought it was probably the police who did this because that's what they do - so say he!
It would appear, as previously said, they didn't hand the camera over to the police because they had 'broken into the property to steal'. I think I've got this right, the camera was later found in Brueckner's camper van, he left it in there when he sold the van.
Manfred Seyferth and his friend took the camera into the lawless hills where they were staying with bandits. His friend checked the camera for photographs and videos, that's what he always does, so say Seyferth. It revealed the rape and torture of a 16 year old girl and a woman Seyferth said was around 45 years but his friend said something contradictory.
The documentary is very fragmented which makes it difficult to follow the trail of evidence, with an overload of atmospheric staging for dramatic effect. As can be seen from the above camera and ruler swinging about suspended from what looks like a butcher's hook.
I've yet to be sure about which set of videos sent him to prison, if any. As I say, it's difficult to follow the trail of evidence and I can't always watch or listen attentively.
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There is a correlation between the Portuguese investigation and the current investigation into Christian Brueckner. It's widely documented, he and any number of other alleged suspects of German origin feature prominently over the years.
Voice over: 'Did you ever come across Christian B's name in your investigation'
Gonçalo Amaral:
The Discovery + mockuplenty - my transcript and comments...
There are images (videos?) from two different sources..
1. An ex-girlfried of Brueckner referred to only as 'M', who doesn't wish to be named or filmed (Episode 1) because she fears media intrusion - can't argue with that. Anyway, she leads the documentary to the derelict factory (?) where the the USB drive was found buried under Brueckner's dog - allegedly.
2. Manfred Seyferth and his unidentified accomplice (Episode 2) found the camera with videos of the rape of two women in the farmhouse where Brueckner was said to be living, it was there that all the doors were open and the inside had been torn apart. Seyferth thought it was probably the police who did this because that's what they do - so say he!
It would appear, as previously said, they didn't hand the camera over to the police because they had 'broken into the property to steal'. I think I've got this right, the camera was later found in Brueckner's camper van, he left it in there when he sold the van.
Manfred Seyferth and his friend took the camera into the lawless hills where they were staying with bandits. His friend checked the camera for photographs and videos, that's what he always does, so say Seyferth. It revealed the rape and torture of a 16 year old girl and a woman Seyferth said was around 45 years but his friend said something contradictory.
The documentary is very fragmented which makes it difficult to follow the trail of evidence, with an overload of atmospheric staging for dramatic effect. As can be seen from the above camera and ruler swinging about suspended from what looks like a butcher's hook.
I've yet to be sure about which set of videos sent him to prison, if any. As I say, it's difficult to follow the trail of evidence and I can't always watch or listen attentively.
~~~~~~
There is a correlation between the Portuguese investigation and the current investigation into Christian Brueckner. It's widely documented, he and any number of other alleged suspects of German origin feature prominently over the years.
Voice over: 'Did you ever come across Christian B's name in your investigation'
Gonçalo Amaral:
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Re: Christian Brueckner: To be or not to be
Looking back over the thread I'm lost in the labyrinth of agendaism - and I'm repeatedly accused of trying to silence free speech here on CMOMM?
I've posted more on the subject of Brueckner than any other, apart from one who seems to think Brueckner is worthy of note and should therefor be kept on top of the pile.
And here we are again ....
Now I'm bored .
I've posted more on the subject of Brueckner than any other, apart from one who seems to think Brueckner is worthy of note and should therefor be kept on top of the pile.
And here we are again ....
Now I'm bored .
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Re: Christian Brueckner: To be or not to be
Tis the eve of the16th anniversary of the Complete Mystery of Madeleine McCann when we can anticipate remnants of fantasy by way of the fringe gutter press.
'German Madeleine McCann' probe as child sex doll found in paedophile's flat
Investigators probing 'German Madeleine McCann' Inga Gehricke have seen a shake-up in personnel after a prime suspect was confirmed and a near 2,000 page dossier of information was uncovered
ByEwan Gleadow
09:11, 27 APR 2023
Inga disappeared in May 2015, and a new team of investigators are sifting through evidence (Image: PA)
A probe into the disappearance of what police have dubbed 'Germany's Maddie' has delivered fresh evidence, a sex doll found in a paedophile's apartment.
A fresh task force investigation by German police into the disappearance of Inga Gehricke, who went missing eight years after Madeleine McCann, has delivered new evidence.
The blonde, blue-eyed youngster had disappeared from a family barbecue in a forest near Stendal, Saxony-Anhalt in 2015.
READ MORE: Fake Madeleine McCann's apology to girl's parents as she denies claiming to be her
Now, a new squad of investigators have been hired to look into "crimes against life", acting on evidence found earlier this year in the basement of a paedophile, with the child sex doll - said to resemble Inga - found in the abandoned home.
Investigators are now probing a paedophile known as Martin H, 41, from Berlin, with the man believed to have been from an area close to the disappearance of Inga, lawyer Steffen Tzschoppe said.
The lawyer added: "In May 2015, shortly after Inga's disappearance, this offender used an excavator on his property. The Stendal investigators dropped the trail because they believed the man's alibi. In my opinion, however, the alibi is very doubtful."
Tzschoppe said investigators had a file on Martin, who is allegedly serving time for previous sexual abuse of children, that is 1,900 pages long.
He went on to say that mistakes made in previous investigations had been detrimental to the case, as investigators had not yet analysed all information in the file.
Investigators are said to have stopped just 11 days into analysing and understanding the nearly 2,000-page dossier, although Martin is not the only suspect.
It comes as the Christian Democratic Union minister said the police reorganisation was part of "case management after years of investigations without any results".
Christian Brueckner, the sick paedophile previously linked with the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, is also a person of interest in the disappearance of Inga.
The 43-year-old criminal had been linked with a series of paedophilia and murder charges in both Germany and Portugal.
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/german-madeleine-mccann-probe-child-29823436
'German Madeleine McCann' probe as child sex doll found in paedophile's flat
Investigators probing 'German Madeleine McCann' Inga Gehricke have seen a shake-up in personnel after a prime suspect was confirmed and a near 2,000 page dossier of information was uncovered
ByEwan Gleadow
09:11, 27 APR 2023
Inga disappeared in May 2015, and a new team of investigators are sifting through evidence (Image: PA)
A probe into the disappearance of what police have dubbed 'Germany's Maddie' has delivered fresh evidence, a sex doll found in a paedophile's apartment.
A fresh task force investigation by German police into the disappearance of Inga Gehricke, who went missing eight years after Madeleine McCann, has delivered new evidence.
The blonde, blue-eyed youngster had disappeared from a family barbecue in a forest near Stendal, Saxony-Anhalt in 2015.
READ MORE: Fake Madeleine McCann's apology to girl's parents as she denies claiming to be her
Now, a new squad of investigators have been hired to look into "crimes against life", acting on evidence found earlier this year in the basement of a paedophile, with the child sex doll - said to resemble Inga - found in the abandoned home.
Investigators are now probing a paedophile known as Martin H, 41, from Berlin, with the man believed to have been from an area close to the disappearance of Inga, lawyer Steffen Tzschoppe said.
The lawyer added: "In May 2015, shortly after Inga's disappearance, this offender used an excavator on his property. The Stendal investigators dropped the trail because they believed the man's alibi. In my opinion, however, the alibi is very doubtful."
Tzschoppe said investigators had a file on Martin, who is allegedly serving time for previous sexual abuse of children, that is 1,900 pages long.
He went on to say that mistakes made in previous investigations had been detrimental to the case, as investigators had not yet analysed all information in the file.
Investigators are said to have stopped just 11 days into analysing and understanding the nearly 2,000-page dossier, although Martin is not the only suspect.
It comes as the Christian Democratic Union minister said the police reorganisation was part of "case management after years of investigations without any results".
Christian Brueckner, the sick paedophile previously linked with the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, is also a person of interest in the disappearance of Inga.
The 43-year-old criminal had been linked with a series of paedophilia and murder charges in both Germany and Portugal.
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/german-madeleine-mccann-probe-child-29823436
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What atrocious writing when considering the subject matter, it's a disgrace - fit for ridicule alone.
Child sex doll ? ?
This poor dear child is not the German Madeleine McCann, the two cases do not correlate in any way shape or form.
Brueckner was ruled out of any involvement in this poor child's disappearance.
There is no evidence to suggest Brueckner's involvement in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann - only a Chinese whisper and a rampant errant phone ping - oh and some video footage that's never been seen by anyone except the Chinese whisperer and his partner in crime.
Now we have yet another prime suspect - apparently.
What does that even mean?
At times like this the need to go back to basics is paramount.
Everything but everything has always been about discrediting the Portuguese police and the case coordinator, Gonçalo Amaral. It's a witch hunt pure and simple.
It seems to me the contemporary reporter uses artificial intelligence to aid the feeble mind led by ignorance and sloppy 'can't be arsed' journalism.
Using your friendly search engine, pluck-out sentences that link German + Madeleine McCann + paedophilia - string them together in any random order and et voila, the makings of a trashy tabloid EXCLUSIVE!
Where's the Oyly Olive when she's not needed - sharpening her rubber per chance?
Child sex doll ? ?
This poor dear child is not the German Madeleine McCann, the two cases do not correlate in any way shape or form.
Brueckner was ruled out of any involvement in this poor child's disappearance.
There is no evidence to suggest Brueckner's involvement in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann - only a Chinese whisper and a rampant errant phone ping - oh and some video footage that's never been seen by anyone except the Chinese whisperer and his partner in crime.
Now we have yet another prime suspect - apparently.
Investigators are said to have stopped just 11 days into analysing and understanding the nearly 2,000-page dossier, although Martin is not the only suspect.
What does that even mean?
At times like this the need to go back to basics is paramount.
Everything but everything has always been about discrediting the Portuguese police and the case coordinator, Gonçalo Amaral. It's a witch hunt pure and simple.
It seems to me the contemporary reporter uses artificial intelligence to aid the feeble mind led by ignorance and sloppy 'can't be arsed' journalism.
Using your friendly search engine, pluck-out sentences that link German + Madeleine McCann + paedophilia - string them together in any random order and et voila, the makings of a trashy tabloid EXCLUSIVE!
Where's the Oyly Olive when she's not needed - sharpening her rubber per chance?
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