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Post by Verdi 12.10.22 16:53

Maddie McCann ‘principal suspect’ charged with sex crimes against children

By Natasha Donn

11th October 2022

… none of them relating to disappearance of British tot

German police – who have been insisting that Christian Brückner is the principal suspect in the disappearance of three-year-old Madeleine McCann – have now charged the 45-year-old with five sex crimes that allegedly took place in Portugal.

The offences involve three counts of aggravated rape, and two of child sexual assault.

They are said to have taken place between December 28, 2000 and June 11, 2017.

German public prosecutors office in Braunschweig have said in a statement: “The accused is the same person against whom charges were brought in connection with the disappearance of the then 3-year-old British girl Madeleine Beth McCann.”

As the British Telegraph newspaper explains: “German investigators believe the 45-year-old killed Madeleine, then three, after abducting her from a holiday apartment in Praia da Luz, Portugal, on May 3 2007.

“Last year, German prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters said investigators have enough evidence to bring a charge against Brueckner but “want to strengthen their position first”.

“He told the Mirror the team were “100 per cent convinced” that the British girl was killed by Brueckner.

“Convicted child abuser and drug trader Brueckner is in jail in Germany for raping a woman in Praia da Luz in 2005”.

He was formally identified as an official suspect in the McCann case in April this year.

Brueckner, or Brückner as many reports spell the surname, has consistently denied involvement in the case.

His lawyer Friedrich Fülscher has suggested the suspicions against Brückner are part of a ‘witchhunt’
‘What are the new charges’, asks Telegraph

This is where it gets confusing: Christian Bruckner “is accused of raping a woman in her 70s in a holiday apartment in Portugal on an unknown date between 2000 and 2006.

“Prosecutors also say Brueckner raped a 20-year-old Irish woman in Praia da Rocha in 2004.

“He is also accused of orally raping a teenage girl in her home in Praia da Luz after tying her up and whipping her on an unknown date between 2000 and 2006.

“He is claimed to have filmed the abuse.

“Brueckner also allegedly exposed himself to a 10-year-old German girl in Faro in 2007 and to a 11-year old Portuguese girl in São Bartolomeu de Messines in 2017”.

Certainly the rapes have been consistently addressed in the past – with Brückner and his lawyer providing evidence which they say shows he could not have committed the rape in Praia da Rocha. He is currently serving jail-time in Germany for the first rape – and the 3rd rape has also been refuted by Brückner’s defence.

https://www.portugalresident.com/maddie-mccann-principal-suspect-charged-with-sex-crimes-against-children/


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Post by Verdi 12.10.22 17:23

From the unofficial official source..

The 45-year-old is currently serving a seven-year prison sentence for the rape of an American woman in Praia da Luz, Portugal, in 2005. In May 2007, the then three-year-old British girl Madeleine McCann disappeared from an apartment complex in this holiday resort. She has been missing ever since. In the investigation into the murder of the 45-year-old in the so-called Maddie case, the Federal Criminal Police Office continues to ask for witnesses.

The accused would have served his sentence in full in September 2025, said the spokesman for the Braunschweig public prosecutor, Hans Christian Wolters, on Wednesday of the dpa. "We expect a main hearing in the middle of next year," he said, referring to the new allegations of sex crimes. "But that's ultimately decided by the Braunschweig Regional Court."

It's like the flippin' hokey cokey ....  Christian Brueckner:  To be or not to be - Page 10 1f3b6 one leg in one leg out and shake it all about do the hokey cokey and turn right round - that's what it's all about  Christian Brueckner:  To be or not to be - Page 10 1f3b6 .

Has no one noticed, this exact same nonsense has been repeated over and over again since germanman hit the headlines back in June 2020.

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Post by Verdi 12.10.22 17:36

Brückner’s lawyer, Friedrich Fülscher, said that he was “astonished” by the charges, two of which he said were based “almost exclusively on the statements of two dubious witnesses about the content of missing video recordings”.

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Post by PeterMac 13.10.22 7:12

Dr Amaral said exactly the same yesterday.
Hearsay evidence from unreliable witnesses . . .

There is also considerable doubt about whether the older woman was in fact raped at all (as legally defined).
It seems that evidence from the consultant gynaecologist was not considered by the court.
The difficulty is that there was clearly a serious assault, and so the a successful appeal might not change anything.
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Post by onehand 13.10.22 7:25

link to the original press release in german;

https://staatsanwaltschaft-braunschweig.niedersachsen.de/startseite/aktuelles/presseinformationen/anklageerhebung-wegen-mehrerer-sexualstraftaten-gegen-den-verdachtigen-im-fall-madeleine-maddie-mccann-216151.html

there are already faulty translations up and running the internet.

deepl makes it into this;

Arraignment of suspect in Madeleine "Maddie" McCann case on multiple sex offence charges
PRESS RELEASE 11.10.2022

The Braunschweig Public Prosecutor's Office today brought charges before the Braunschweig Regional Court against a 45-year-old German man for several sexual offences he is alleged to have committed in Portugal between 28 December 2000 and 11 June 2017.

The accused is the same person who is being investigated on suspicion of murder in connection with the disappearance of the then 3-year-old British girl Madeleine Beth McCann on 03.05.2007 from an apartment complex in Praia da Luz in Portugal.

Specifically, the accused is charged with three counts of aggravated rape and two counts of sexual abuse of children:

1. at an unspecified time between 28.12.2000 and 08.04.2006, to have surprised an unknown approx. 70-80 year old woman in her holiday flat in Portugal in her bedroom. The masked accused then allegedly tied up the victim and raped her. He then beat the victim several times with a whip. The accused allegedly recorded the entire event with a video camera.

 2. On another day between 28 December 2000 and 8 April 2006, which can no longer be precisely determined, the accused allegedly tied an unknown German-speaking girl aged at least 14 to a wooden pole in the living room of the house he lived in in Praia da Luz, Portugal. First, he beat the naked girl with a whip. Afterwards, the accused allegedly brutally forced the girl to perform oral sex. The accused had also videotaped this act. 

 3. On 16 June 2004 at around 3 a.m., the accused allegedly gained access to the flat of a then 20-year-old woman from Ireland via the balcony in Praia da Rocha in Portugal. The sleeping woman was then awakened by the masked suspect at knifepoint and brutally raped. The accused then tied the woman to a table and gagged her and raped her again. He then whipped the victim on the back with a whip he had brought with him and finally forcibly performed oral sex on the victim. The accused had filmed large parts of the event with a video camera he had brought with him. While the accused later fled over the balcony, the victim managed to free herself and asked for help, crying. 

4.  On 7 April 2007, at around 3.30 p.m., the accused allegedly ambushed a ten-year-old German girl playing on the rocks behind a rockhole on a stretch of beach in Salema in the district of Faro in Portugal, wearing only shoes and otherwise naked. He grabbed the child by the wrist and began to perform masturbation movements on his naked penis. While doing so, he grinned and asked the girl to look at his naked genitals and the masturbation movements performed on them in order to get sexually excited. After the accused had ejaculated, he let go of the girl and fled. 5.

5.  On 11 June 2017, in the early hours of the morning at around 2 a.m., during the so-called Snail Festival at a playground in Bartolomeu de Messines in Portugal, the accused made eye contact with an 11-year-old Portuguese girl who was sitting on the swing of the playground there. Then, while maintaining eye contact with the child, the accused pulled down his trousers and pants and made masturbation movements on his naked penis in order to become sexually aroused until the frightened girl ran to her father for help. The accused was arrested on the spot by the Portuguese police.

On the basis of the indictment, an arrest warrant was also requested because the public prosecutor's office believes that there is strong suspicion of the crime. In addition, there is a risk of flight and repetition.

The indictment, which is over 100 pages long, was preceded by several years of very intensive and costly investigations in several European countries, especially by the Federal Criminal Police Office.

The accused is a sex offender with several previous convictions, including for sexual abuse of children.

Currently, the accused is serving a 7-year prison sentence for a rape he also committed in Portugal in 2005.

The jurisdiction of the public prosecutor's office in Braunschweig results from the fact that the accused had his last residence in Braunschweig before his stay abroad.

 The indictment was brought to the juvenile division of the Regional Court of Braunschweig because the victims of some of the accused offences were children or juveniles and thus so-called juvenile protection cases were involved.

The investigations into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann are continuing regardless of the indictment. In view of the ongoing investigations, it is still not possible to provide any further information on the results of the investigation so far.

In this context, the police continue to ask for the help of the public. An appeal for witnesses with further information can be found on the website of the Federal Criminal Police Office:

www.bka.de/oeffentlichkeitsfahndung7

The media sending pictures or sound will be given the opportunity to make camera recordings in the content and scope of this press release in the context of a statement on 12.10.2022 at 2 p.m. in the building of the Public Prosecutor's Office Braunschweig, Turnierstraße 1 in 38100 Braunschweig. There will be no press briefing or press conference.

Hans Christian Wolters

First Public Prosecutor

Spokesman of the Public Prosecutor's Office Braunschweig

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Post by onehand 13.10.22 8:21

so they found a way by combining several different criminal offences into on indictment, and could keep it all out of the eyes of any public by using the juvenile court.  

the court itself can decide differently on that, certainly when the defence team also protest that. 

the only way to make such a combination in itself solitary deeds is using a common factor. and that could not be the perp in itself. 

it just can mean hcw needs the combined evidence from these cases bound together into a connection to bring on a charge in the case of madeleine mccann. he already had the helge b. and manfred s. statements accepted in a court of the dm rape case cb is doing time for at the moment. 

i do not like it to use all trickery in a field of law. it is walking very thin wires. just gambling a judge accept it. 

it looks like feldhaus from bild, a german tabloid already has a reaction of the defence.

link to full article in bild; https://www.bild.de/news/inland/news-inland/wegen-vergewaltigung-maddie-verdaechtiger-christian-brueckner-angeklagt-81577510.bild.html

part with reaction of the lawyer of cb;

Lawyer surprised
Brückner's defence lawyer, Kiel star lawyer Friedrich Fülscher (38), expressed surprise and outrage.

"The procedure of the public prosecutor's office in Braunschweig leaves me nothing but astonished," Fülscher told BILD. "Not only that exculpatory aspects - such as a scar not existing on the accused - are not taken into account at all in the final decision. The public prosecutor's office also demonstrably informs the media about a pending indictment days before the defence lawyer."

Two of the charges, according to Fülscher, "are based almost exclusively on the statements of two dubious witnesses about the content of disappeared video recordings. Interrogations by German authorities have also taken place with these witnesses on the McCann case. However, these statements are being withheld from me".

Although it has been known for more than two years that the BKA is investigating his client in the Maddie case, the defence lawyer has not yet been granted access to the files.

"For an evaluation of the statements in these proceedings, it is of course also relevant how reliable the witness statements are with regard to other accusations made against the accused. According to Fülscher, this has "nothing to do with a fair trial so far".

The trial against Brückner could begin in spring 2023.

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Post by onehand 13.10.22 11:12

and this one goes with the press release, it tells how the case will have to follow further on its journey through german law.

this is the original in german;

https://landgericht-braunschweig.niedersachsen.de/aktuelles/anklageschrift-wg-vergewaltigung-sex-missbrauchs-eingegangen-216160.html

this what deeple makes of it, it is pretty full of german law terms, that maybe not very well can be translated, as we would like.

Indictment received for rape, sex. Sexual abuse received
The Regional Court of Braunschweig confirms the receipt of an indictment of the Public Prosecutor's Office of Braunschweig with five offences against sexual self-determination against a 45-year-old accused.

With regard to the content of the charges, reference is made to the press release of the Braunschweig Public Prosecutor's Office of 11 October 2022.

The indictment comprises more than one hundred pages.

For reasons of presumption of innocence and protection of personality, the Regional Court will not disclose any further details on the specific charges.

According to the business allocation plan of the Regional Court, the 2nd Criminal Chamber is responsible for the proceedings as the Chamber for the Protection of Minors (file number 2 KLs 213 Js 52790/18 (15/22). In the interlocutory proceedings that will now begin, the 2nd Criminal Division will first serve the accused and his defence counsel with the indictment. This will give them the opportunity to comment on the charges brought by the public prosecutor, to raise objections to the opening of the main proceedings and/or to request the taking of evidence.

In the so-called interlocutory proceedings, the chamber examines whether the indictment will be admitted and the main proceedings opened. At present, it is not possible to give a prognosis on the duration of this examination. The court decides to open the main proceedings if, according to the results of the preliminary proceedings, the accused is sufficiently suspected of having committed criminal offences through his conduct. Sufficient suspicion exists if a subsequent conviction of the accused appears probable with the available admissible evidence. The interlocutory proceedings end with a decision by the chamber on the opening or non-opening of the main proceedings in the form of an order. Only when the court opens the main proceedings will the chamber subsequently set dates for the main hearing and make decisions on the organisational course of the main hearing.

The accused is currently in criminal custody due to a judgement of the Regional Court of Braunschweig (file number 1 KLs 71/19, sentence to a total term of imprisonment of 7 years).

The Criminal Division will still have to decide on the question of issuing an arrest warrant against the accused in these criminal proceedings.

Due to the current workload of the 2nd Criminal Division with main trial dates in already pending criminal proceedings with so-called detention cases (in which the accused is in pre-trial detention and detention review dates are scheduled soon), a start of the trial, as far as the main trial is opened, is not to be expected this year.

Notice:

As soon as a decision has been reached in the interim proceedings, a press release will be issued. We kindly ask you to refrain from further enquiries, as in view of the state of the proceedings, no further information on the proceedings will be given either by telephone or in writing at present.

Thank you for your understanding!

Contact:

Judge at the Regional Court

Maike Block-Cavallaro

Press Officer

Regional Court of Braunschweig

Münzstrasse 17

38100 Brunswick

Phone: 0531 488-2374 or 0151/26355014

Fax: 0531 488-2549

E-mail: lgbs-pressestelle@justiz.niedersachsen.de

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Tel.: (0531) 488-2546 or 0175/5047289

Fax: (0531) 488-2665

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Post by onehand 13.10.22 12:02

so it must be different from our system, over here we have just the prosecution officer that decides if a case has to make it before the courts, there is also the possibility the court of choice calls itself as the wrong one, and declare itself inadmissible. that will happen just in the first so called pro forma sitting of a court.

but it looks likes germany uses a court chamber system to do that check before the judge had to come out in court. 

and they are not suspected to be in a hurry, because the case would be expected not to reach a court before 2023. 

so that means no christmas presents from hcw for  the media for the time being, they have to hunt ff for that. 

hcw must have guts, going to court with a case of a unknown woman, and that could a problem in its own right in today's world of opinions, that on a unknown time, on a unknown place had something happen to her, that could be rape, or just a sm bondage thingy. based on the quite different testimonies of two convicted criminals and substance abusers, that both had made a profit from doing their act. 

not the usual who did what, where, when, how and why!

i know they could bring a case in germany based on just connections. when you look at the prestiges and reputations that are on the table, it still could take years before a verdict becomes final. 

and i do not think it has nothing to do with the case of madeleine mccann, i do think they are very important, no sane prosecution officer would take these kind of cases from their sleeping state, in their own right.
but all of them will have specific parts of future possible 'evidence', that need credits in a court, before hcw can use them on the madeleine mccann case. they have hardly anything that could reached the threshold of evidence and to bring that on, these cases need to be handled in the courts. 

it is a common approach in cases with serious organised crimes, most often when you have to build up the credibility for a crown witness, so it is not a new approach, but uncommon in other fields of the law. 

hcw needs dat jurisprudence to give the madeleine case a chance. he needs at least one other of the adult cases to make helge b. and manfred s. solid as witnesses, so he can risk one. the cases against childeren he need at least one, to give it all a bridge to the madeleine case. 

the combination of cases against juveniles and adults bringing them together will be for trying to keep it in a closed court, no press or public.  only pretty plain press statements.  there is already a leak in the pipes at the prosecution offices, other facts only will come from the defense team. or portugal of course.
so the tabloid will write their hearts out this week.
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Post by Verdi 13.10.22 13:26

onehand wrote:and i do not think it has nothing to do with the case of madeleine mccann, i do think they are very important, no sane prosecution officer would take these kind of cases from their sleeping state, in their own right.

Before embarking on such a risky course of action, the prosecution must first have a solid incontrovertible case to present before a court of law that links a convicted felon to the disappearance of Madeleine McCann - clearly they haven't got that. Even if Brueckner be guilty of one or more of the alleged charges against him, there is not a shred of evidence to link him to the case of Madeleine McCann.

In my view this is (and was) just another suspected paedophile identity that could pin the tale to the donkey.

It's not known for sure what the German authorities, or any other jurisdiction named, have in store for Brueckner nor how proceedings progressed prior to June 2020 linking the name Madeleine McCann, which is bound to draw attention.

No, I don't think the German authorities have any evidence whatsoever to link Brueckner with Madeleine McCann's disappearance.

onehand wrote:hcw needs dat jurisprudence to give the madeleine case a chance. he needs at least one other of the adult cases to make helge b. and manfred s. solid as witnesses, so he can risk one. the cases against childeren he need at least one, to give it all a bridge to the madeleine case.

The German authorities would need more than a miracle to present the two key witnesses as credible - they can't even agree between themselves about their criminal past that connects with Brueckner. The most important evidence would be the alleged video footage showing Brueckner committing the dirty deeds - neither witness can produce that essential piece of evidence.

The stories vary as to where and when the videoes were last seen or handled but I strongly suspect the videos didn't exist in the first place. If you listen to the words of Manfred Seyferth and carefully watch his mannerisms and facial expressions, you can begin to see just how shaky his testimony is.

From what I've read over the past 2.4 years, there isn't even evidence of the other alleged pending charges hanging over Brueckner's head - there's a lot of hearsay and mis/disinformation courtesy of the press but nothing solid.

Then follow the trail of the two key witnesses - there bit part on the road to stardom through the auspices of the Netflix Madeleine McCann mockuplenty and later the Discovery+ documentary.

Speaks volumes!

No one is interested in Brueckner in terms of being the answer to the Complete Mystery of Madeleine McCann, only those within and without Germany who are desperate to see the name Brueckner carried forth.

You only need look at the fora where discussion on the subject is rife - even to this day, despite the absence of evidence and/or progress by the German authorities, they still believe Brueckner to be 'the one that dunnit' and they carry that message across the press and mainstream/social media.

It's not necessary for the messenger to argue fore or against, just as long as the name Brueckner is out there to cast doubt over the past 15+ years research and study.




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Post by onehand 13.10.22 15:06

the germans already got the two savages through one case. 

we can think what we want or like or not, but hcw wants cb in court for the madeleine case. 

i do not think he has things we normally call evidence, but that does not mean you can not make it, or at least try to make some. it is just a reality, one judge can make a mistake, but two judges that except the two as credible witnesses it is set. 

i do not know the exact german jurisprudence on witness statement, over here a witness statement is by law not evidence in the investigation in a case, that is written as a hard no. but there is a different approach when a witness is presenting the same words before a court of law, after he/she/it is under oath or promise. 
and we share the same principle of law that out courts give an investigative task to the judge or judges. 
and what a judge accept becomes reality. 

so again we can think what we want, such a judge could rule different. 

i cannot see myself hcw's enterprise with those cases as a giant fishing expedition, each case can have certain points that give a possibility to be used in that later trial. 

but it is still way of, there are only investigational charges brought, the guy is not even arrested in those cases, that german criminal court chamber had to decide if that happens. 

we all here know what the still open questions are in the mccann case, the first portugues investigation, with the non helping britisch interference did not give those answers, grange did not got them answered either. 
the germans are wiggle around to get the answers they want. 

the germans looked never to have started with the case itself, but from a defendant, and that is usually the common factor why it would not work. 
all they have could tell a story about that defendant, but even if what they have connected to that defendant has not that same connection to the madeleine mccann case. 

there is nothing they can use to place cb in or even around 5a, in 5a or getting out with a dead or alive child. that information they only can get from the pj files, and it is simply not there at all. they will probably trying to stay as far from these files as they can. and any earlier or later investigation done.

the start was the raid on the old boxfactory, they probably already had cb on their radar for cases against children in germany. and that case came on the right time, because the germans became part of the international projects about child porn on the internet. 
they also found a lot of 'paperwork' most on usb sticks. including what they see as cb his memoires. 
the name of cb must already have been on the offender listings because of earlier convictions, a list you can never leave. and usually the same people will get to the surface in the dark web connections. 

it is the common approach to ask other convicted people about others. and it had not have been helge b. himself that contacted the uk. as soon as someone with the right ear heared him tell about portugal, a lot of other company, in, or around 2007, it is not uncommon to ask people what they know. 

so the story of helge b. got out, and as is also not uncommon, he would wanting something in exchange for his stories. 

the uk made contacts with the germans. cb has a conviction around 2015 for child abuse, so he was again higher on the list of bad guys.

the germans have contacted the portuguese justice department about cases of rape, crimes of any sexual demeanor against children in the southern part of the algarve, because a convicted criminal wanted out and was agreed to tell some nice dirty stories about cb. 

that is how they got their hands on the dm rape case, and the others. there are even more, but they only needed the ones with evidence boxes and files that still were complete, and that is not a given after 10 to 15 years. 

only when the dm case had made it to a conviction, they decided to go for the golden medal and made it public. 

but still over 2 years later on, they still have nothing solid to connect cb to the madeleine mccann case. but they have a whole lot of circumstantial thingies brewing. 

and because it is now a german case and it is possible to convict in a court case in germany based only on circumstantial evidence, they still need the row of other cases to fluff it a bit up. they do not care any longer about facts and circumstances, only the pot of gold at the end as the police force that solved a big case. 

rubbish, because the madeleine mccann case is not big in itself, it is made enormous by media and pr. 

the problem with the two as a witness, that they are trained tellers of porkies, and it is easy to feed them some more and even let then believe their own fixed stories. their lives are full of porkies. it is their way to survive. and they not even told the same story.  and they never will , because all they say or do will be a nice pension on the go. 

but they rolled through the dm rape case wonderful. it was a bit of a lucky strike, because there was not much quality in the defense team. 

even when all got stranded for hcw he just will get out with tales about technicalities and lack of strong evidence, to not use concrete evidence, that has a very new meaning in germany by know. 
but do not be surprised if this cb figure ends up with a bunch of convictions and even one in the madeleine case also. 

they did it also in the case of penny knoblauch. the german prosecution offices have quite a good form on cases with only circumstantial evidence. why would it this time different, only the defense team and the judge can make it different. 

in germany it is not about proving a case beyond reasonable doubt, but making it likely is often enough. and yes, i do think hcw needs those extra cases for exactly that. 

they have a lot of rules that could be of use on other things too. so the mccanns, or supposed victims of cb would only have a day in court if they choose it themselves. they could make use of an exclusion from being there, as given under german law.  

there is not even reason to start the court case from the supposed act of abduction, when hcw en co choose to start from having the child, abuse it en murdering it after, an abduction would be supposed to have happen. 

so it is not about what we know, or think, or like, but what hcw wants en will do. the press and media would not mind at all, everything is usable for writing pieces and making film or video's of. 
it is all on a separate planet called germany, where hcw want to be king.  even if it is all just quatsch, the german equivalent for b.ll s.it.
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Post by Verdi 13.10.22 17:13

I'm not conversant with German law from the perspective of working within in a professional capacity, nor Portuguese law nor even British law, hence I'm not in a position to comment on such - I'm confined to what I see and hear and there lies the problem from the beginning of the Brueckner appearance to present day.

I think I can say without fear of stoning, the only information available for scrutiny thus far emanates from the press and media, not from a reliable official source!

I've seen scraps of documentation presented before camera by the likes of the Portuguese journalist/TV personality Sandra Felguieras, sepia coloured scraps with words redacted.  Sorry but I find such 'evdidence' very unconvincing.

If some knowledgeable person could present before the world verifiable documentation from the official source for observation, then I will be happy to believe but until such times I remain very sceptical about the whole circumstances surrounding the name Christian Brueckner.

Time and time again I read those dreaded words .... 'we already know.. ' but we don't already know anything - we (the public/the spectator) only know what the press and media have reported.  All blown out of proportion over a period of time by the press/media and public alike, as to be expected!

Then you have the misleading attempted translations circulated around cyberspace - by whatever internet platform.  I use google translate which oddly enough differs widely from text translations of the same document, or part thereof, posted up by others who apparently use the same platform, that's to say google translate.

The internet has improved life in trillions of ways but like everything else in this corrupt distorted world, it also has it's devilish moments - a convenient tool for the dangerous infil-traitors!

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Post by Silentscope 13.10.22 17:48

Herr Fülscher has said in previous interviews that the Prosecution want Brückner locked away for life, and that if they cannot pin the Maddie case on him that they would try by other means.

Sounds like he was right.
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Post by Verdi 14.10.22 1:13

What's this ^^^ yet another version of google translate or yet another version of a Bilge report?

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Post by onehand 14.10.22 8:42

verdi, it would be nice if you inform us, what you are talking about.

translations are never easy. i do not have to make use of a translation app or site to read and understand dutch, german, english and french for myself, but you would not accept only a link that does not is in english on the forum. and i do not have always the time to translate it all by my own hand. and i must confess, the quality of deepl makes me a bit lazy also. 

and there are a lot of words that simply have not the same meaning in english. so most differences has their origine in that. most of us do not want to pay for an vetted translator. that would cost you about 6 eurocents per word. 

google translate was never of a good quality, so that is not news, and indeed, the same article can get a bit different translation from it. but it is not the only one available, and as long as you have the original article, you can use what you want or like. 

deepl translate is of far better quality than google. and has free options too. it is a bit more work, but it is usually worth it. 

and you are even lucky, all apps do still pretty well in translations into english. to german or even worse dutch is just rubbish. 

and you can dislike bild, but it is equal to the sun, daily mail and the rest of the british garbage in press, or the olive press in spain and de telegraaf in the netherlands. you yourself has no problem with posting daily mail pieces, so what is against bild. der spiegel and der welt are of the same kind. and most others are still relying on status from their past.
the only interesting things are usually the direct quotations and who made them, you always can look up press releases yourself.  

the by you so called sepia papers, have been free for all out there til mid september 2020, germany has a databank with all court cases that have had a verdict. the press people only did copy those. when the case got running hot, it was taken behind curtains. i have read them well before that time, because i wanted more info. i did not copy it. i just made my own shorthand notes from them. 


other sepia papers with black out text are usually the ones you have to pay for at the court administration. the portuguese ones you can take your look at at the court houses, works the same in the netherlands, do you want a copy, the court administration attendant will print it and black out all that has privacy restrictions. and you pay for the paper and ink, not the information. i have had a copy of a court case in scotland that someone got for me at the court house there. and i have had the same from france. 

you also can get a copy by asking one of the parties in the case. they will have no black outs. 

so you are just a bit to late at the table to want the unrestricted access to a bunch of information, that is all.
and you have you own right to doubt what you want. 

but there are two very differents lines in this topic. 

one is with what we know with the help from the official pj files, that there is in there no evidence, not even circumstantial that there is room to wiggle cb in the madeleine mccann case. 

two, a german prosecution that wants a german citizen in jail, and they work hard and without very much respect for the law to be able in doing exactly that. and i have no problem with keeping a person like cb in jail, i prefer him there forever. i do not like it at all how they want to do that. 

why, it is very unrespectful to all victims in the case they have chosen to use. and i always be in favor of getting the right perp for their own actions locked up. 

and it is not true the germans had no other possible moments in time to use the law to get cb in secure environments. the had from his first offence against a child already a report he probably would be ending up as a serial offender. and that report was already proven because he offended in the same manner before the verdict in the first case was final. and he repeated his actions in 2015 and by his collection of pictures and video in 2016.  

and all attention is about cases in portugal he supposed to have done also, that are used to keep him in forever. 

it does make no difference what we think or see as impossible, hcw is using portuguese cases, including the madeleine mccann case as a tool to get cb. hcw build just a monster. he has no need to charge cb for the madeleine mccann case, but he pushes the other cases with it to get to a part of law usuable to keep cb in. 

hcw will only get the madeleine mccann case in court when he must from pressure in germany. 
and based on form of the german law, it is not impossible to get a guilty verdict in it. it happened before, because they have the opportunity to bring on a case on circumstantial evidence, or more plain just a heap of possible connections, the this perp could have been there, could have done, and so on. they do not have to prove without reasonable doubt it indeed did happen. 

it is no longer about solving the case of madeleine mccann, but the case is used as a tool to get cb in jail forever. when hcw get at least 2 new convictions out of these first 5 cases, he does not need to get out in a court about the madeleine mccann case, it all wil be just going out as; we could not find enough of 'the concrete evidence' to go to court. 

it are just a handful of different rules of law, that makes this possible. portugal can not use these same, none of the uk law systems could use them, in the netherlands we can not use them, because we do not have such. but in germany it is an accepted setting. 

so you are right in thinking cb has no connection to madeleine mccann, but her case is just a tool to rake cb in. hcw his actions are prove for that. 

if you want to get an idea how blundering the germans can be, and what and how they can get a case through a court of law you only have to look back into the penny knobloch case. 

judges are also human, who of them can live with the idea to let a monster out on the streets. so all a hcw had to do was playing the press and media. and the public. the majority of the public think by now cb must have done it, otherwise a prosecution officer like hcw would not have dare to taking it out in the way he did. 

and when hcw has to bring the madeleine mccann case before the court against cb, we would be able to fill in the names of all tapas 9 in the lines were cb is stated. phone pings, access, opportunity, you name it, so they are lucky to be simply not german.
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Post by Verdi 14.10.22 12:57

In it's simplest form, I do not trust the press or media.  Indeed I've made that quite clear over the months and years - my cynicism is splattered far and wide across the forum, I don't think I can ever be fairly accused of favouring one media/press source over another.

My problem here on CMOMM is press/media articles/reports being presented as fact, or proof of evidence.  The same criteria applies to the many inaccurate documentaries and other media shows focusing on the case of Madeleine McCann.

I've also made clear on a number of occasions, why I post press and/or media reports/articles - I believe the thread titles reflect my (and others) opinion of the press and media.  They are propagandists of the highest order, they spread mis/disinformation with evil intent.  

For those who are not aware, or have forgotten, I copy/paste press and media articles 1. to continue the legacy left by Nigel Moore of mccannfiles who spent so much time and energy documenting press/media articles over the years and 2. to highlight the absurdity of coverage of such a tragic incident - the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

The press/media are not a reliable source of information - full stop!

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Post by Verdi 15.10.22 1:17

It looks like this latest Christian Brueckner press blitz is fading faster than past reports, I'm happy to say..

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Even the gutter press seem to tire of the prolonged saga - it is however weekend again, so still time for Tracey 'Olive Oyl' Kandolah to bash out an exclusive for general amusement.

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Post by Verdi 16.10.22 14:55

As for translation, this paper aptly explains the complexity of translating/interpreting from one language to another without further word from my limited ability.

Read and absorb .... professional translators/interpreters are engaged for a very good reason.

Translating from one language to another
Maria Birbili

Maria Birbili is currently a lecturer in Educational Research Methodology at the department of Educational Studies, University of Oxford. After finishing her DPhil on Greek higher education, she worked as a research officer for 18 months. Her research interests include issues involved in the socialization of academics and institutional differentiation, and the training of researchers.

   Collecting data in one language and presenting the findings in another involves researchers taking translation-related decisions that have a direct impact on the validity of the research and its report.

   Factors which affect the quality of translation in social research include: the linguistic competence of the translator/s; the translator’s knowledge of the culture of the people under study; the autobiography of those involved in the translation; and the circumstances in which the translation takes place.

   There is a need for social researchers who have to translate data from one language to another to be explicit in describing their choices and decisions, translation procedures and the resources used.

Once practised almost exclusively by anthropologists, collecting data in one language and presenting the findings in another is now increasingly common among social researchers. As student and staff mobility increases, a considerable number of theses, dissertations and funded-research projects concern studies which involve moving between languages, sometimes even from the very first steps of the research endeavour. As the need for mutual understanding on an international scale increases, more and more organisations and individuals are seeking comparable information across national and cultural boundaries using research instruments prepared in one language and culture for use in others.

Moving between languages can take different forms. For example (taking English as the language in which the research is to be reported): an English-speaking researcher might conduct an interview in a language other than English; a researcher interviews in her primary language which in not English; researcher and participants are ‘fully and fluently bilingual - they slip between the two languages during the interview’ (Rossman and Rallis, 1998:161). In cases of international assessments or cross-cultural research test items, questionnaires or interview schedules are translated from English into the language of different countries and vice versa.

Although not all studies which involve different languages are equally dependent on the precision of linguistic data (for instance, in studies that are predominantly observational), researchers need to be aware that the translation process usually requires both time and effort on their part and can present various types of problems, some of which may not be completely overcome (Phillips, 1960; Lewin, 1990; Broadfoot and Osborn, 1993; Ercikan, 1998). More importantly, however, researchers need to keep in mind that translation-related decisions have a direct impact on the validity of the research and its report.

Factors influencing the quality of translation

The quality of translation depends on a number of factors, some of which, as Phillips (1960:290) says, may be beyond the researcher’s control. In those cases where the researcher and the translator are the same person the quality of translation is influenced by factors such as: the autobiography of the researcher-translator; the researcher’s knowledge of the language and the culture of the people under study (Vulliamy, 1990:166); and the researcher’s fluency in the language of the write-up. When the researcher and the translator are not the same person, the quality of translation is influenced mainly by three factors: the competence, the autobiography and what Temple (1997:610) calls ‘the material circumstances’ of the translator, that is the position the translator holds in relation to the researcher.

Different dimensions of potential translation-related problems


Gaining conceptual equivalence
One of the major difficulties of any kind of research in which the language of the people under study is different from that of the write-up is gaining conceptual equivalence or comparability of meaning (Deutscher, 1968; Whyte and Braun, 1968; Sechrest et al., 1972; Temple, 1997). Phillips (1960:291) sees this ‘in absolute terms an unsolvable problem’ which results from the fact that ‘almost any utterance in any language carries with it a set of assumptions, feelings, and values that the speaker may or may not be aware of but that the field worker, as an outsider, usually is not’. Whether one is trying to translate a survey instrument, an interview schedule or a test, as several researchers caution us, even an apparently familiar term or expression for which there is direct lexical equivalence might carry ‘emotional connotations’ in one language that will not necessarily occur in another. A good example of such a case is the expression ‘civil service mentality’. Although, as one might argue, this expression conjures up a similar ‘image’ in several cultures (for example, that people who have a civil service mentality are, as Moses and Ramsden (1992:102) say, ‘very observant of their rights’), it might not be easy for the English reader to pick-up the full implications the term carries for a Greek unless it is accompanied by more ‘cultural’ information on the (negative) associations and connotations that the term ‘civil mentality’ has in a Greek context.

On those occasions where two languages do not offer direct lexical equivalence several researchers and linguists suggest that one’s efforts should be directed ‘towards obtaining conceptual equivalence without concern for lexical comparability’ (Deutscher, 1968:337; Whyte and Braun, 1968:121; Bassnett-McGuire, 1980; Overing, 1987; Broadfoot and Osborn, 1993; Temple, 1997:610). For many researchers (Sechrest et al., 1972; Brislin et al., 1973; Warwick and Osherson, 1973) the process of gaining comparability of meanings is greatly facilitated by the researcher (or the translator) having not only ‘a proficient understanding of a language’ but also, as Frey (1970) puts it, an ‘intimate’ knowledge of the culture. Only then can the researcher pick up the full implications that a term carries for the people under study and make sure that the cultural connotations of a word are made explicit to the readers of the research report.

Comparability of grammatical forms

A different kind of translation problem occurs when sentences in the language of data collection involve grammatical and syntactical structures that do not exist in English. Syntactical style, as Ercikan (1998:544) points out, is one of the most difficult features to carry over from one language to another. Where sentences are resistant to translation because of incompatibility between languages in terms of the structure, Bassnett-McGuire (1980:32) suggests that the sense of sentences ‘can be adequately translated into English once the rules of English structure are applied’. However, such a process, as Ervin and Bower (1952:597-598) warn us, inevitably involves ‘the introduction of pseudo-information or the loss of information’.

Although obtaining grammatical and syntactical equivalence is not something that can be taken lightly, it does appear that the more important aim of researchers-translators should be to achieve conceptual equivalence.

Making participants’ words accessible and understandable


Seen as sometimes the only opportunity that readers of research reports have to ‘see for themselves’ what participants ‘look like’ (Wolcott, 1994), the use of direct quotations deserves careful attention in discussions about translation. Decisions about translating quotations are of course dependent on the intended function of the quotation in the research text and whether one perceives translated words as a direct quotation (Rossman and Rallis, 1998:162).

One of the first decisions that researchers are asked to make when translating participants’ words is whether to go for ‘literal’ versus ‘free’ translation of their text. A literal translation (i.e. translating word-by-word) could perhaps be seen as doing more justice to what participants have said and ‘make one’s readers understand the foreign mentality better’ (Honig, 1997:17). At the same time, however, such practice can reduce the readability of the text, which in turn can test readers’ patience and even ability to understand ‘what’s going on’.

Researchers who decide to go for the more ‘elegant’ free translation, on the other hand, need to think of the implications of creating quotations that ‘read well’. Even in one’s own language, editing quotations always involves the risk of misrepresenting the meaning of the conversational partner (Rubin and Rubin, 1995:273). In translated quotations the risk of losing information from the original is greater.

The use of translators or interpreters


In some studies, the researcher and the translator or interpreter are not the same person and there might even be more than one translator involved in a research project. These people might be professional translators, bilingual people with knowledge of the topic under investigation (or not), or native speakers employed to help the researcher communicate with respondents who do not speak English.

As Temple (1997:614) points out, the use of translators and interpreters ‘is not merely a technical matter that has little bearing on the outcome. It is of epistemological consequence as it influences what is “found”’. Kluckhohn (1945) suggests that there are ‘three basic problems which arise from the use of interpreters: a) the interpreter’s effect on the informant; b) the interpreter’s effect on the communicative process; and c) the interpreter’s effect on the translation’ (quoted in Phillips, 1960:297). Focusing on the latter, Temple (1997:608) argues that researchers who use translators need to acknowledge their dependence on them ‘not just for words but to a certain extent for perspective’. In doing so, researchers need to constantly discuss and ‘debate’ conceptual issues with their translators in order to ensure that conceptual equivalence has been achieved (Temple, 1997:616).

Techniques for dealing with translation-related problems

Important techniques for eliminating translation-related problems include back translation, consultation and collaboration with other people during the translation process and pre-testing or piloting (for example, interviews) whenever this is possible.

Back translation, one of the most common techniques used in cross-cultural research, involves looking for equivalents through a) the translation of items from the source language to the target language, b) independent translation of these back into the source language, and c) ‘the comparison of the two versions of items in the source language until ambiguities or discrepancies in meaning are clarified or removed’ (Ercikan, 1998:545; Warwick and Osherson, 1973:30). Although it can be helpful, as Deutscher (1968:321) points out, in identifying semantic errors in translations, some researchers (Phillips, 1960; Sechrest et al., 1972; Broadfoot and Osborn, 1993) argue that back translation is far from the ideal solution and can create new problems. For example, ‘it can ... instil a false sense of security in the investigator by demonstrating a spurious lexical equivalence’ (Deutscher, 1968:322). Back translation can also be a very time-consuming procedure, and might require more than one person (or a dictionary) involved in order to achieve good results.

Consultation with other people, on the other hand, involves discussions about the use and meaning of words identified as problematic with people who are bilingual (Whyte and Braun, 1968; Brislin et al., 1973) or having a number of people sitting around a table jointly making decisions about the best terms to use (Brislin et al., 1973:46). Collaboration with other people can also take the form of researchers from all countries involved in a study, jointly producing the research design and instrument.

Whether interviews or questionnaires or any kind of test are to be used, another way of eliminating translation-related problems is to pre-test or pilot the research instrument in the local culture. When pretesting a research instrument, Warwick and Osherson (1973:33) see it as particularly important to ask respondents not only for their answer but also for their interpretation of the item’s meaning. Once a questionnaire or assessment instrument has been constructed, another way of identifying problems is the application of statistical methods (Hambleton, 1993; Ercikan, 1998).

For many researchers, combining some or all of the above-mentioned techniques is seen as the best and most efficient way to deal with translation-related problems. When using multiple methods, as Brislin et al. (1973:51) argue, the weakness of one method could be offset by the strengths of the other.

The need to make translation-related decisions explicit


As is common to all scientific enquiry, reports of research which involves the use of more than one language need to include a thorough description of the translation-related issues, problems and decisions involved in the different stages of the research process (Temple, 1997:613). In addition, researchers need to describe the circumstances within which translation took place and discuss the techniques they used during the translation process. Similarly, if the research involved the use of translators, readers need to be informed about who those people were and what kind of role they played at all stages of the research endeavour.

Conclusion


When collecting data in one language and presenting the findings in another, researchers have to make a number of translation-related decisions. Words which exist in one language but not in another, concepts which are not equivalent in different cultures, idiomatic expressions and/or differences among languages in grammatical and syntactical structures are issues which call for very specific decisions. These decisions along with factors such as, for example, who the researcher or her translators are and what they ‘know’ have a direct impact on the quality of the findings of the research and the resulting reports.

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MADDIE MYSTERY I helped Madeleine McCann investigation – Christian B revelations could be tip of iceberg… he’s the rarest of monsters


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15:27, 13 Oct 2022Updated: 15:27, 13 Oct 2022

FOR 15 years, the disappearance of Madeleine McCann has devastated her family and baffled police across the globe.

This week, there was fresh hope the crime could be solved after German prosecutors charged prime suspect Christian B with a string of sexual assaults against children and women in Portugal, spanning 17 years between 2000 and 2017.

The convicted paedophile, who was 30 at the time of Madeleine's disappearance, has twice been convicted of sex crimes against young girls.

However, former detective Dr Graham Hill - who was sent to the resort of Praia da Luz, Portugal, to advise local police in the days after her abduction - believes the new revelations could just be the "tip of the iceberg".

"What people need to do is to park up the Madeleine McCann case and look at him as a sex offender in his own right," he tells The Sun.

"He's a man that's been committing sexual crimes for long periods of time.

"The likelihood is that he would have committed many, many offences, most of them would have gone unrecorded and unreported. This would be just the tip of the iceberg for him."

Abduction 'spontaneous'

As founder of the Child Exploitation Online Protection Centre (CEOP), Graham - who fronts a new true crime series, The Murder Detective, on C+I from this Sunday - is Britain’s leading expert on the abduction and sexual abuse of children.

He believes the person who took Madeleine did not set out to do so initially, but seized the opportunity during a burglary.

“It tends to be an opportunistic crime. I think it was a random thing that she was taken,” he says.


“There are millions of people across the world that have a sexual interest in children, but the number that will actually abduct a child is very small which is why the crimes are so rare.

“But child abduction is often spontaneous. Offenders have been thinking sexually about children for long periods of time and then they're confronted with a set of circumstances that leads them to act on it. They don't necessarily go out seeking the child.

"In the McCann case there was evidence of a burglary or break in, so I think someone went in there to commit another kind of crime, to steal, rather than take a child.

“Christian B has previous for sexually abusing children but he’s also a burglar and a risk taker, who was known to Portuguese police and was living in the area at the time.

“If I'd been investigating this crime, he would have been a suspect for me early on and he should have been top of their list.


“I’d like to know if the Portuguese police knew about him? And if they did, what did they do to eliminate him from the investigation?

“And when the Portuguese police passed their information to the Metropolitan Police for their investigation, did they include Christian B's name in that suspect list?”

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Graham, who was sent to help in his role as CEOP behavioural expert, also revealed the heartbreaking first words he heard from Gerry McCann, the distraught father of the three-year-old.

“When I arrived in Portugal, I had a meeting with Gerry McCann and the first question he asked me was, ‘Do you think she's dead?’” he says.

“That's a difficult question to answer but I had to tell him that, statistically, children who are abducted by a stranger usually end up murdered or dead within three to six hours.

“It’s a fallacy that people abduct children and keep them locked up because the logistics of doing that are almost impossible. You’ve got to feed the child, keep them clean, keep them quiet and people who abduct children don't plan in that way."
Murder hits home

Graham's considerable expertise in serious crime is the backdrop to five-part series Murder Detective, in which he re-examines harrowing homicides with the help of the senior investigating officer (SIO) in each case.

Graham, formerly an SIO himself on numerous high profile cases, says he wanted to take viewers through each piece of evidence and help them build a picture of how each crime was solved.

“These are all SIOs that I know and they all picked the case they wanted to feature in their episode,” he says.

"The one that really hit home most for me was the case of Dean Mayley, a 24-year-old man with special needs, who had been protected by his family for many years.

“Only a few months before his death, he was allowed to go out on his own and travel on a bus to visit relatives. But he was attacked, robbed and stabbed to death in a West London street, in 2014, by four teenagers.

“The way in which the family talk about the crime and the investigation is so emotional and SIO Matt Bonner, from the Metropolitan Police, who's dealt with lots of high profile cases said this stood out for him as his most successful case, because of what it meant to the family.”

Police basics missing in Milly case

Despite his own expertise, Graham decided not to include child murders in the series because of notoriety.

“Child abduction and murder is really rare so to pick out those cases, you'd have to go to the most famous one, like Milly Dowler, April Jones and the Soham murders.

“We may visit those in future series but on this one, I picked the officers and they picked the cases.”

Graham was not an investigating officer on the case of 13-year-old Milly Dowler - who was murdered in March 2002 - and he believes killer Levi Bellfield would have been caught much sooner if police had followed one basic procedure.

“There are some really good lessons with the Milly Dowler investigation because one of the things that wasn't done right was the house to house investigation around where she was last seen, in Walton-on-Thames, Surrey,” he says.

“A house to house has to be managed in a particular kind of way. You don't just go bang on doors, you have to methodically go through the voters register and eliminate people.

"That wasn't done thoroughly enough because if it had been, they would have found that one of the houses was empty.

“If they traced the landlord, he could have given them the name of the woman renting it and that woman was Levi Bellfield's girlfriend.

“Everyone thinks murders are solved by CSI type techniques such as fingerprinting, blood spatter analysis and so on but actually, sometimes murders are solved by someone banging on the door and doing the basic, traditional policing techniques. They are still the bedrock of those investigations.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/20075456/murder-detective-madeleine-mccann-christian-b-graham-hill/

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Post by Verdi 17.10.22 11:30

It's very worrying to know someone like this is Britain’s leading expert on the abduction and sexual abuse of children.

Directly involved with the case of missing Madeleine McCann and he can't even be bothered to check the available facts and evidence.

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Post by sandancer 17.10.22 11:37

" In the McCann case there was evidence of a burglary or break in " ! 

Oh really Dr Hill , do tell us what that " evidence " is please ? 

Surely not the " jemmied shutters " ?    big grin

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Post by crusader 17.10.22 12:11

He's bragging he helped in Madeleine McCann investigation, that went well didn't it.

His show is about re-examining  homicides, where does Madeleine fit into this category.

It's just another way of rubbishing the PJ and Mr Amaral.
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Post by bevcoffee 17.10.22 12:30

crusader wrote:He's bragging he helped in Madeleine McCann investigation, that went well didn't it.

His show is about re-examining  homicides, where does Madeleine fit into this category.

It's just another way of rubbishing the PJ and Mr Amaral.
This is so worrying that the original claim, "Someone's taken her" is still perpetrated by the poor Policing demonstrated by this Ex Policeman. He has obviously failed to take into account the Amaral investigation (which he claims was the reason he was sent to PDL, Portugal).

There was no evidence of an Abduction. So, "I helped Madeleine McCann investigation" didn't have a chance from the moment this guy got involved; right from the 'get go'.

Essential reading for this Ex Policeman is "The Truth of the Lie" by Gonçalo Amaral.
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Post by Verdi 17.10.22 13:03

It's a cult .... using the name of a missing child, almost certainly no longer of this world, to sell their wares.

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Post by sharonl 17.10.22 22:17

sandancer wrote:" In the McCann case there was evidence of a burglary or break in " ! 

Oh really Dr Hill , do tell us what that " evidence " is please ? 

Surely not the " jemmied shutters " ?    big grin

Behind the shutter is a window, so even if the shutters were jemmied, the window wasn't broken. That rules out the break in.

Gerry McCann publicly stated "nothing of value was taken", that rules out burglary.

What is Dr Hill rambling on about?

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