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Post by Silentscope 21.08.21 14:56

Musk has obviously done the cost - benefit ratio calculation.

Company XYZ requires Labour.

Options:

1. Employees cost Wages and require Tax and National Insurance to be paid for their upkeep and maintenance. They require constant monitoring and motivation in order to reach the Customers demands.

2. Robots do not require money, have no sentient knowledge, do not need breaks, the toilet, or get pregnant. Monitoring can be done by AI and no motivation of the workforce is necessary.

Sorted.
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Post by PeterMac 22.08.21 10:28

@crusader wrote:I'm not in favour of any machine putting people out of work .

 Which was the stance taken by Ghandi when he exhorted his people to spin their own cotton thread and weave it themselves into nappies.
And taken by the Luddites who smashed up the spinning machines.
And no doubt did farmer labourers who objected to the new-fangled idea of using horses to help with the ploughing and harvesting.
All machines put people out of work, even if it looks as if they are making thinks easier or quicker.

Your computer puts a typist out of work, and her typewriter put a scribe out of work.
And his quill pen put a stone chiseller out of work
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Post by crusader 22.08.21 11:40

@PeterMac wrote..
Your computer puts a typist out of work, and her typewriter put a scribe out of work.
And his quill pen put a stone chiseller out of work.


Not so, did the Stone chiseller  not go on to learn to use the quill, or the typist to use the computer?
This is the natural progression of things, people need to learn new skills to move on.
The difference I see in using Machines  is, people don't get to progress, they won't be learning to do the work that machines do, they will become unnecessary and any skill they had is lost forever.
I'm all for machines working alongside people, but not taking their jobs.
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Post by PeterMac 22.08.21 13:33

But if a machine can do the work of 10 men, or in many cases many hundreds since they 
can work 24 hours a day and every day of the year.
then only the one with the intelligence and the education to set it in motion keeps his job
The rest lost theirs

And that is the issue we have touched on before.
Technology is filtering out people with low intelligence and making them redundant
Society has not yet caught up with what to do for, or with, a vast population of unemployable people
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Post by Silentscope 22.08.21 13:44



This is what Musk wants to provide us with.
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Post by Jill Havern 22.08.21 13:54

The comments are brilliant on that video ^^^

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUP6Z5voiS8&t=206s&ab_channel=CNETHighlights

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Post by Jill Havern 22.08.21 13:55

@PeterMac wrote:
Society has not yet caught up with what to do for, or with, a vast population of unemployable people
Bill Gates might have a plan for that...

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Post by Silentscope 22.08.21 14:22

‘Hartz 4 und der Tag gehört dir’?

UBI Universal basic income for all.

Except those who are unvaccinated of course.

‘Natural wastage’ you have served your purpose.
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Post by sequested 22.08.21 14:35

Those who can’t work, for whatever reason, will be paid to stay at home. A bit like furlough 😂😂
They’ll own nothing but will be happy.
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Post by crusader 22.08.21 15:49

@PeterMac wrote:But if a machine can do the work of 10 men, or in many cases many hundreds since they 
can work 24 hours a day and every day of the year.
then only the one with the intelligence and the education to set it in motion keeps his job
The rest lost theirs

And that is the issue we have touched on before.
Technology is filtering out people with low intelligence and making them redundant
Society has not yet caught up with what to do for, or with, a vast population of unemployable people

One of the reasons we have so many unemployed people is not technology, it is money.
The people with so called low intelligence are the cogs of society.

The vast majority of unemployed people are fully able to work and in most cases are eager to work.

Many people leave school with no exam qualifications to speak of, It doesn't mean they should and are in many cases, relegated to state benefits.

Collages and universities are turning out vast numbers of people with degrees who can't boil a kettle.

There is no need  and is a disgrace to keep people who want to work, out of work .

It, in the end, boils down to money and greed.

If the future is robots, get them cleaning toilets, emptying bins and cleaning the streets.
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Post by Verdi 23.08.21 1:13

@crusader wrote:
@PeterMac wrote:But if a machine can do the work of 10 men, or in many cases many hundreds since they 
can work 24 hours a day and every day of the year.
then only the one with the intelligence and the education to set it in motion keeps his job
The rest lost theirs

And that is the issue we have touched on before.
Technology is filtering out people with low intelligence and making them redundant
Society has not yet caught up with what to do for, or with, a vast population of unemployable people

One of the reasons we have so many unemployed people is not technology, it is money.
The people with so called low intelligence are the cogs of society.

The vast majority of unemployed people are fully able to work and in most cases are eager to work.

Many people leave school with no exam qualifications to speak of, It doesn't mean they should and are in many cases, relegated to state benefits.

Collages and universities are turning out vast numbers of people with degrees who can't boil a kettle.

There is no need  and is a disgrace to keep people who want to work, out of work .

It, in the end, boils down to money and greed.

If the future is robots, get them cleaning toilets, emptying bins and cleaning the streets.

Wisest words I've heard for many a day.

As you rightly say, the lowest educated are the cogs of society and I'll add to that - decent honest hard working all round genuine people even if only with basic goodness to recommend them!  

I know people who are uneducated,, possibly never been to school, can't read nor write but I'd put my life in their hands over and above any feigned intellect.  Kids that work for their family - oh shock horror, child labour .... child exploitation!!!  I tell you they are a lot smarter, more resourceful and a whole lot nicer than anyone you might meet walking our the door of  high education institution.   What's more, they are not influenced by political persuasion so prominent in the educational system.

That aside from the very fact that the majority of youngsters that pour forth with qualifications (read parrot fashion) from higher education institutes end up shelf stacking or standing in the dole queue.  Maybe it is they who will be replaced by robots, for it is they with limited intelligence!

Facts speak for themselves.

The sheer arrogance drives me nuts!  No wonder half the worlds over educated time wasters are so demanding and so dissatisfied with real life, they expect open doors purely because of a bit of paper!

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