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Post by JimbobJones on 02.12.20 12:44

The first stooge who tries to stick me with their pre-fabricated god knows what, is going to get that needle right in their own neck, and a swift kick in the arse to send them on their way. They are taking "the kings shilling" they are NOT doing it for our benefit. These underhand traitors working for the powers of evil DESERVE everything they get.
 . . . . are you listening, 77 brigade, and your squaddie minions? YOU are traitors. YOU have sold out your fellow men. Hopefully you will get hunted down, no matter how long it takes.
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Post by BlueBag on 02.12.20 12:59

So... I've been posting comments on YouTube today.

"Why do we need a vaccine for something with a 99.8% recovery rate".

The 77th Brigade are out in force.

"Because you're selfish if you don't take it".

This will be the line they take.
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Post by kaz on 02.12.20 13:26

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Starmer has stood up in Parliament today  to say that anti vax and Covid '' misinformation '' should not be allowed. Doris sounds very much in agreement.
The thought police are only an intake of breath away. Your mind is not for personal use.
Unbelievable.
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Post by Silentscope on 02.12.20 13:30

This is all sounding like the plot of Mission Impossible 2 to me.

Doug C McCloy “I am in business to make money”

Create a demand so you get your cure produced.

Stocks soaring in response?

Of course they are!

All coincidences obviously 🙄
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Post by Verdi on 02.12.20 14:47

No matter how many people do or don't take this miracle (in every way possible) vaccine. over the ensuing weeks I anticipate a quick and certain decline in the number of infections reported.

Funny that innit?

What a farce.

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Post by Verdi on 02.12.20 14:56

A comment on Alex Belfield's YouTube video ^^^. A bit facetious but it made me chuckle..

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Post by Verdi on 02.12.20 15:03

Here's another one for Alex Belfield to play around with big grin

Duke of Sussex suggests coronavirus was rebuke from mother nature

Harry says: 'Somebody said to me it’s almost as though we've been sent to our rooms to think about what we’ve done'



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Post by Verdi on 02.12.20 15:09

Oh for crying out bloody loud..

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Post by Verdi on 02.12.20 15:27

Blimey, it's highly infectious..

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Post by Verdi on 02.12.20 15:30



The new must have fashion accessory..

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Why do you need to wear a mask (face nappy big grin ) if you've taken the miracle vaccine?

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Post by BlueBag on 02.12.20 15:45

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:No matter how many people do or don't take this miracle (in every way possible) vaccine. over the ensuing weeks I anticipate a quick and certain decline in the number of infections reported.

Funny that innit?

What a farce.
Reduce number of tests.
Reduce the number of cycles in the test.

The numbers have always been "on tap" for them.
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Post by crusader on 02.12.20 16:05

I wouldn't trust the politicians or anyone else who have the covid jab on tv. It could be water they inject them with.

I said months ago on this forum that they would force it on us by not letting us go on holiday unless we had it.

I'm going nowhere, I'm not being a pawn in their  power game, for that is for sure what it is.
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Post by Jill Havern on 02.12.20 16:17

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Here's another one for Alex Belfield to play around with big grin

Duke of Sussex suggests coronavirus was rebuke from mother nature

Harry says: 'Somebody said to me it’s almost as though we've been sent to our rooms to think about what we’ve done'
Bloody heck, how many rooms has this gobshite got?

His whole property and grounds is bigger than the village I live in.

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Post by CaKeLoveR on 02.12.20 17:22

Harry is indescribably stupid. It's fascinating.
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Post by JimbobJones on 02.12.20 18:37

Indemnity from prosecution over adverse reactions? That has to be the biggest red flag in the entire situation.

Now imagine a place where "leaders" might be suffering from such advanced HUBRIS that they think being seen "on tele" to have a needle stuck in their arm would CONVINCE THE GULLIBLE that they should have something stuck into them too . . . Oh, Wait a minute.
Is the "Gullibility Vaccine" going to save them? Or destroy the gullible? Time will tell for those gullible enough to be persuaded to take it. The childlike flaws in the logic of this situation seem SO obvious and deliberate, could it REALLY be a devious plan to weed out and kill off the mugs? You dont need to listen to me to know our "leaders" want to kill 3/4 of us off . . . they outright cant help admitting it themselves, with their own stupidly published beliefs.

Since when did the parasites ruling life as we know it ever have our interests at heart? Never, that is when.

Billions already payed out over bad vaccine side effects and deaths in the past. That is why indemnity from prosecution was so important to them this time. It is a BLATANT signal. WHERE IS THE OUTRAGE?  and STILL people will queue up for the next gullibility vaccine.
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Post by Jill Havern on 02.12.20 18:41

They'll probably just be given a vitamin D shot to keep them going til next summer.

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Post by listener on 02.12.20 20:05

Today we only hear about 2 vaccines, but one news broadcast reported that there are up to 200 at various stages of development around the world.
i see a vaccine as a positive thing. If it works, we can get 'out and about' again.
The flip side is that there will always be the 'conscience free' capitalists that will gain vast wealth.
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Post by listener on 02.12.20 20:08

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:The first stooge who tries to stick me with their pre-fabricated god knows what, is going to get that needle right in their own neck, and a swift kick in the arse to send them on their way. They are taking "the kings shilling" they are NOT doing it for our benefit. These underhand traitors working for the powers of evil DESERVE everything they get.
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Calm doon Jim - ye'll gie yersel a corona ry !
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Post by Verdi on 02.12.20 20:56

This really is very worrying.

Over the weeks and months I've remained steadfast in the opinion that the anonymous dictate can't get away with this - the people will not stand for this level of blatant oppression.

As we move forward it's become apparent that my optimism was misplaced, the majority of the world population - for this plandemic does affect the entire planet, not only the UK, appear to be buckling under the pressure imposed by the fearmongers.  I guess I can understand it to a certain degree, I believe the anonymous dictate have worn people down, broken their spirit, destroyed the present and their hopes and dreams for the future - even if only tomorrow.

It's psychological warfare and it's working, people can't fight anymore, they no longer have the will to challenge, to stand up for their rights - no longer have the will to live!  Oppression is not living, it's a drudgery, plodding-on from one day to the next without any goals or pleasure or .... hope.

It saddens me to see civilisation come to this point after surviving centuries of the horribles and the delights of living.

People will take this vaccine, they see no choice.  If it's not fear of the hoax virus, it's fear of imprisonment if they decline to take the poison.

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Post by Doug D on 02.12.20 21:14

Dr Wolfgang Wodarg & Dr Mike Yeadon petitioning to overturn the vaccine approval:


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STOP THE PFIZER VACCINE 


The UK regulator approved Pfizer/BioNTech on 2 December 2020.

This decision must be overturned. We can initiate a Judicial Review.

The grounds for review are fully explained in the petition to the European Medicines Agency submitted on 1 December 2020 by Dr Mike Yeadon and Dr Wolfgang Wodark.

Below is the petition they submitted it is the most important scientific challenge to the vaccine and testing regimes established since January 2020. 



PETITIONER:                                                                                              December 1, 2020
Dr. med. Wolfgang Wodarg Germany
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Dr. Michael Yeadon England, CT3 1R
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European Medicines Agency, Committee for human medicinal products (CHMP), COVID-19 EMA pandemic Task Force (COVID-ETF)


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VIII. For a vaccine to work, our immune system needs to be stimulated to produce a neutralizing antibody, as opposed to a non-neutralizing antibody. A neutralizing antibody is one that can recognize and bind to some region (‘epitope’) of the virus, and that subsequently results in the virus either not entering or replicating in your cells. A non-neutralizing antibody is one that can bind to the virus, but for some reason, the antibody fails to neutralize the infectivity of the virus. In some viruses, if a person harbors a non-neutralizing antibody to the virus, a subsequent infection by the virus can cause that person to elicit a more severe reaction to the virus due to the presence of the non-neutralizing antibody. This is not true for all viruses, only particular ones. This is called Antibody Dependent Enhancement (ADE), and is a common problem with Dengue Virus, Ebola Virus, HIV, RSV, and the family of coronaviruses. In fact, this problem of ADE is a major reason why many previous vaccine trials for other coronaviruses failed. Major safety concerns were observed in animal models. If ADE occurs in an individual, their response to the virus can be worse than their response if they had never developed an antibody in the first place. This can cause a hyperinflammatory response, a cytokine storm, and a generally dysregulation of the immune system that allows the virus to cause more damage to our lungs and other organs of our body. In addition, new cell types throughout our body are now susceptible to viral infection due to the additional viral entry pathway. There are many studies that demonstrate that ADE is a persistent problem with coronaviruses in general, and in particular, with SARS-related viruses. ADE has proven to be a serious challenge with coronavirus vaccines, and this is the primary reason many of such vaccines have failed in early in-vitro or animal trials. For example, rhesus macaques who were vaccinated with the Spike protein of the SARS-CoV virus demonstrated severe acute lung injury when challenged with SARS-CoV, while monkeys who were not vaccinated did not. Similarly, mice who were immunized with one of four different SARS-CoV vaccines showed histopathological changes in the lungs with eosinophil infiltration after being challenged with
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Dr. Wodarg and Dr. Yeadon request a stop of all corona vaccination studies and call for co-signing the petition
 
December 1, 2020
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On December 1, 2020, the ex-Pfizer head of respiratory research Dr. Michael Yeadon and the lung specialist and former head of the public health department Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg filed an application with the EMA, the European Medicine Agency responsible for EU-wide drug approval, for the immediate suspension of all SARS CoV 2 vaccine studies, in particular the BioNtech/Pfizer study on BNT162b (EudraCT number 2020-002641-42).
Dr. Wodarg and Dr. Yeadon demand that the studies – for the protection of the life and health of the volunteers – should not be continued until a study design is available that is suitable to address the significant safety concerns expressed by an increasing number of renowned scientists against the vaccine and the study design.
On the one hand, the petitioners demand that, due to the known lack of accuracy of the PCR test in a serious study, a so-called Sanger sequencing must be used. This is the only way to make reliable statements on the effectiveness of a vaccine against Covid-19. On the basis of the many different PCR tests of highly varying quality, neither the risk of disease nor a possible vaccine benefit can be determined with the necessary certainty, which is why testing the vaccine on humans is unethical per se.
Furthermore, they demand that it must be excluded, e.g. by means of animal experiments, that risks already known from previous studies, which partly originate from the nature of the corona viruses, can be realized. The concerns are directed in particular to the following points:
•   The formation of so-called “non-neutralizing antibodies” can lead to an exaggerated immune reaction, especially when the test person is confronted with the real, “wild” virus after vaccination. This so-called antibody-dependent amplification, ADE, has long been known from experiments with corona vaccines in cats, for example. In the course of these studies all cats that initially tolerated the vaccination well died after catching the wild virus.
•   The vaccinations are expected to produce antibodies against spike proteins of SARS-CoV-2. However, spike proteins also contain syncytin-homologous proteins, which are essential for the formation of the placenta in mammals such as humans. It must be absolutely ruled out that a vaccine against SARS-CoV-2 could trigger an immune reaction against syncytin-1, as otherwise infertility of indefinite duration could result in vaccinated women.
•   The mRNA vaccines from BioNTech/Pfizer contain polyethylene glycol (PEG). 70% of people develop antibodies against this substance – this means that many people can develop allergic, potentially fatal reactions to the vaccination.
•   The much too short duration of the study does not allow a realistic estimation of the late effects. As in the narcolepsy cases after the swine flu vaccination, millions of healthy people would be exposed to an unacceptable risk if an emergency approval were to be granted and the possibility of observing the late effects of the vaccination were to follow. Nevertheless, BioNTech/Pfizer apparently submitted an application for emergency approval on December 1, 2020.
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CALL FOR HELP: Dr. Wodarg and Dr. Yeadon ask as many EU citizens as possible to co-sign their petition by sending the e-mail prepared here to the EMA.
 
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Dear Sir or Madam, I am hereby co-signing the petition of Dr. Wodarg and Dr. Yeadon to support their urgent request to stay the Phase III clinical trial(s) of BNT162b (EudraCT Number 2020-002641-42) and other clinical trials. The full text of the petition of Dr. Wodarg and Dr. Yeadon can be found here: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] I hereby respectfully request that EMA act on the petition of Dr. Wodarg and Dr. Yeadon immediately. Regards 
 
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Post by Verdi on 03.12.20 0:08

Europe will pay a high price for vaccine bureaucracy while nimble Britain breaks free

Bureaucracy and legalistic inertia will give the virus one last chance to cause maximum devastation on the Continent
Ambrose Evans-Pritchard

2 December 2020 • 7:49pm



Britain’s lightning-fast vaccination slashes the tail-risk of a Covid third wave and averts a calamitous slide into even deeper economic crisis. Europe is not so lucky.

The EU lacks anything like the UK’s Regulation 174 enabling fast-track action to fight pandemics, or chemical and nuclear attacks. Bureaucracy and legalistic inertia will give the virus one last chance to cause maximum devastation on the Continent, and this slippage of several weeks will have serious consequences for a clutch of eurozone economies already in trouble.

The pandemic is not an international beauty contest. But it is indisputable that the UK has stolen a march by freeing itself from the EU’s policy orbit and going its own way under the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency, the teeth-arm of the EU system in its day.

There was much outrage in anti-Brexit circles when Boris Johnson shunned the EU’s vaccine alliance. He was accused of reckless nationalistic infantilism. It was said that the UK would not have the great power ‘clout’ to obtain global vaccines at scale. Events have not played out remotely as they expected.

The UK’s approval of Pfizer-BioNTech’s vaccine clears the way for immunisation of health care staff as soon as Monday. The armed forces - vaccination veterans from Africa - will deploy their logistical muscle to set up injection hubs and a cold storage chain in the biggest military operation since the Falklands War.

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Don't flatter yourself Boris the Grate.

Nimble Britain? Don't you mean reckless Britain?

Boris Johnson is making an international name for himself, he's the talk of the day with his pretentious 'devil may care' performance.

Pride cometh before a fall thud !

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Post by JimbobJones on 03.12.20 10:14

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i see a vaccine as a positive thing. If it works, we can get 'out and about' again.

lol!

That might happen. Wishful thinking is driving the public. It is certainly what they want you to think, to encourage you to take it. Then they could say the wonderful "vaccine" worked . . . only, then they will have "killed" their golden goose.

Expect the more likely outcome to be this - YOU WILL STILL BE EXPECTED TO WEAR A FACE NAPPY, EVEN AFTER BEING VACCINATED. YOU WILL STILL BE EXPECTED TO FOLLOW ANTI SOCIAL DISTANCING AND THERE WILL STILL BE LOCKDOWNS AND HOUSE ARREST.

This situation was designed to be PERMANENT. It was NEVER about a health issue. They will blame imaginary "outbreaks" on those of us who do not comply, to keep it going. To keep control over the charade.

Only a MUG could still believe they needed all this OPPRESSION to deal with a sniffle.

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