The Coronavirus Debate

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It wasn't a virus that bought the world to a standstill.
It wasn't a virus that wants you to wear a mask.
It wasn't a virus that stops you seeing your loved ones.
And it wasn't a virus that locked the world up and shat all over it.

These despots behind the New Cruelty need to swing from the lampposts, they declared a war on us and most still haven't even realised it.

Another miraculous breakthrough rears it's ugly head just when it's needed most.

One of biology's biggest mysteries 'largely solved' by AI

By Helen Briggs
BBC science correspondent

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One of biology's biggest mysteries has been solved using artificial intelligence, experts have announced.

Predicting how a protein folds into a unique three-dimensional shape has puzzled scientists for half a century.

London-based AI lab, DeepMind, has largely cracked the problem, say the organisers of a scientific challenge.

A better understanding of protein shapes could play a pivotal role in the development of novel drugs to treat disease.

The advance by DeepMind is expected to accelerate research into a host of illnesses, including Covid-19.

Their program determined the shape of proteins at a level of accuracy comparable to expensive and time-consuming lab methods, they say.

Dr Andriy Kryshtafovych, from University of California (UC), Davis in the US, one of the panel of scientific adjudicators, described the achievement as "truly remarkable".

"Being able to investigate the shape of proteins quickly and accurately has the potential to revolutionise life sciences," he said.

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Call me a technophobe - I'm not too happy about technology controlling my life, I find it all a bit creepy even though it's been creeping up for many a year so comes as no surprise. Artificial Intelligence in particular!

Whatever, it's arrived just in time to add further depth to the controversial hoax scandal.

Meanwhile, as I speak, druggists Moderna are seeking quick approval of a COVID-19 vaccine in US and Europe.

How long have you been developing and testing this vaccine Mr/Madame Moderna? Six months? One year? Five years? Ten years? Or is it just a re-brand of an existing vaccine, like that used for influenza?

Great to see you're making good use of Father Christmask. I knew you would  

Banged off another e-mail to my MP today. Could have written a book, but had to stop somewhere.
As we're no longer allowed to legally demonstrate and protest, this is legally the best we can do,(until the next election, if there is anybody to vote for) even if it is completely pointless.
How scary is that.
 
Thank you for your comprehensive reply dated 4^th November.
 
You argue that the ‘false positives’ figures have been completely debunked, but call them what you like, the ‘cases’ figures they provide are clearly nonsensical and meaningless when compared to the deaths and hospital admission figures.
 
What has happened to the ‘flu, pneumonia and other causes of death over the last year? Are we supposed to believe that they have all but disappeared? Again this is nonsensical.
 
The PCR test is proven to be unreliable and whilst it may be the best we have at present, is not being used the way it was designed. It is interesting to see that various supposed ‘quotes’ from Dr Kary Mullis, inventor of the PCR method, such as “Anyone can test positive for practically anything with a PCR test, if you run it long enough...with PCR if you do it well, you can find almost anything in anybody... it doesn’t tell you that you’re sick” which were initially debunked as ‘false’ by the so-called fact-checkers, are now being re-classified as ‘misleading’, so even these nameless fact-checkers are being forced to back-pedal.
 
DNA polymerase after 30-35 cycles is usually denatured. Some new generation recombinantly engineered DNA polymerase processes are being used to exceed this cycle level, but this increases the chances of errors.
 
Historically, a target length limitation to PCR amplification of DNA with high fidelity was put at 35kb, yet the current testers are pushing this limit up to 50 cycles in order to obtain their figures. 
 
You state that ‘if the government were to act on unreliable analysis, many more deaths and much more economic damage would be the result’, but this ‘unreliable analysis’ seems to be exactly what the government is acting on and clearly what Theresa May was questioning in the House when Boris Johnson decided to leave the chamber.
 
Let us have a week’s set of case results based on the recommendation of  25 cycles and see what figures they produce. 
 
It is just so very disturbing that virtually nobody is allowed to question the party line.
 
Whitty & Vallance reign supreme, with the alternative, challenging, widespread medical opinions expressed in the Great Barrington Declaration completely ignored.
Their supposed grilling before the Science and Technology Committee the other week was nothing short of shocking. They should have been challenged by representatives who actually understood and were able to express the meaningful questions that should have been asked?
 
This is the makeup of the Science & Technology committee that supposedly grilled Whitty & Vallance  with their degrees/specialisms. 
Surely there should be some proper scientific input in such a committee? The only good thing is that at least they all turned up for the ‘zoomed’ meeting!
 
Greg Clark                  Economics
Dawn Butler              No univ.  Worked GMB Union, Employment & Social issues advisor
Katherine Fletcher    Biology
Darren Jones             Human Bioscience/ Law
Carol Monaghan        Laser Physics and Optoelectronics
Sarah Sultana                        International Relations and Economics
Aaron Bell                  Philosophy Politics & Economics
Chris Clarkson           Law
Andrew Griffith         Law/ Chartered Accountant
Mark Logan                3 unknown degrees              Worked Media & Comms
Graham Stringer       Chemistry
 
Two ‘guests:
Lord Patel                  Social Work
Jeremy Hunt              Philosophy Politics & Economics
 
 
The virus in not just going to vanish, we are going to have to live (or die) with it, in exactly the same way we have always done.
 
Anybody foolish enough to throw in their lot to some hastily produced and inadequately tested, miracle vaccine, with any ongoing liability to the pharmaceutical companies having been hastily removed, deserves everything they get. The whole point of these protections was to ensure that nothing like the thalidomide scandal ever happened again, yet here we are racing towards another far wider disaster. 
 
I don’t know if you have seen any of these clips, but the first one is Julia Hartley-Brewer talking to Dr Mike Yeadon, former Vice President, Head of Respiratory Research and  Chief Scientific Adviser at Pfizer, who are producing one of the new vaccines
 
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 and the second with Prof. Carl Heneghan on 2^nd November
 
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Professor Robert Endres from Imperial College says ‘this is no longer about a virus, that there is no evidence to support the lockdown measures’:
 
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If you do not have the time to look at all of these, I would urge you to view the last of these interviews with Dr Roger Hodkinson who says:
 
‘I would simply say this whole debate has got sidetracked into rabbit holes, the big picture that I elaborated on is the critical one, that is simply this, that vastly more harm is being created by these interventions that have essentially, at the end of the day, at the end of each rabbit hole, no evidence based support, and that was the conclusion of my peers in the Great Barrington Declaration and I stand by that and will not change a single word of what I said.’ 
 
We are being hoodwinked into a continued state of lockdown and misery by a government, scared witless of losing face, who are not even prepared to consider that they have been misled from the outset by their advisors.
 
The police forces have clearly been instructed to take the appallingly heavy-handed actions against those willing to stand up and be counted, yet seem happy to stand aside and allow other protests and demonstrations to take place unhindered.
 
The figures released today to supposedly justify the policies, are not new, merely hashed together in the hope nobody will actually notice and are not what was asked for in any event.
 
They certainly appear to do nothing to dissuade any ‘rebel’ Tories from voting against the new lockdowns and I would urge you to join with them in voting against the bill, not that it will do any good in the complete absence of any parliamentary opposition. Abstention should simply not be an option in matters such as this.

Long scientific review of the PCR tests dated 27 November 2020:
 
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Last few paragraphs:


‘In light of our re-examination of the test protocol to identify SARS-CoV-2 described in the Corman-Drosten paper we have identified concerning errors and inherent fallacies which render the SARS-CoV-2 PCR test useless.

CONCLUSION

The decision as to which test protocols are published and made widely available lies squarely in the hands of Eurosurveillance. A decision to recognise the errors apparent in the Corman-Drosten paper has the benefit to greatly minimise human cost and suffering going forward.
Is it not in the best interest of Eurosurveillance to retract this paper? Our conclusion is clear. In the face of all the tremendous PCR-protocol design flaws and errors described here, we conclude: There is not much of a choice left in the framework of scientific integrity and responsibility.’


Not a lot of wriggle room there then!

Brave New World

Brave New World is a dystopian social science fiction novel by English author Aldous Huxley, written in 1931 and published in 1932. Largely set in a futuristic World State, whose citizens are environmentally engineered into an intelligence-based social hierarchy, the novel anticipates huge scientific advancements in reproductive technology, sleep-learning, psychological manipulation and classical conditioning that are combined to make a dystopian society which is challenged by only a single individual: the story's protagonist.

Huxley followed this book with a reassessment in essay form, Brave New World Revisited (1958), and with his final novel, Island (1962), the utopian counterpart. The novel is often compared to George Orwell's Nineteen Eighty-Four (published 1949).

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This is such a con..

Zoom boosts sales forecast as pandemic drags on

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Video conferencing company Zoom has said annual sales will be even higher than expected as the pandemic drives demand for its software.

The California firm said revenue could hit more than $2.5bn (£1.9bn) - more than twice what it forecast in March.

The prediction comes as Zoom, once a niche tech name, has shot to prominence during the pandemic.

Millions have turned to the app to socialise with family and friends, teach and meet with colleagues.

Zoom founder and chief executive Eric Yuan said the company was converting more and more businesses to paying customers, as they adapt to "a new world of work from anywhere".

At the end of October, Zoom had nearly 434,000 business customers that had more than 10 employees - up approximately 485% from the same quarter a year ago.

The surge has lifted revenue and profits and sent the firm's stock soaring.

'I'll be hosting my Christmas over Zoom'
Zoom launches paid-for live events

Zoom said sales in the August-October period hit $777m, up 367% year-on-year. Profits were $198.4m in the quarter, compared to $2.2m in the same period a year earlier.

On Monday, the company revised higher its full-year forecast for a third time, telling investors it expected full-year sales of more than $2.5bn, up from $2.37bn it forecast in August.

That would compare to just $622.7m in the prior financial year.

Despite the gains, shares in the firm fell in after-hours trade, after Zoom said it expected sales between $806m and $811m in the last three months of its financial year, implying a slight slowdown in the firm's blockbuster growth rate.

Investors are eager to see how Zoom will fare as coronavirus concerns fade.

Zoom chief financial officer Kelly Steckelberg said the firm remained "optimistic on Zoom's outlook", but cautioned investors to remember that "the impact and extent of the COVID-19 pandemic and its associated economic concerns remain largely unknown".

"Our higher outlook for FY21 is based on our current perspective of the business environment," she said.

She said while many smaller businesses and individual users may leave Zoom as life returns to normal, she expected remote working to remain more common than it was.

"Remote work trends are here to stay," she said on a conference call to discuss the firm's results.

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Control by technology - it's what it's all about isn't it?

The rich get richer .... the poor get nothing.

BlueBag, I'm getting so angry now I'll post his full response from 4th November:


Thank you for your email about the government’s decision to implement a second national lockdown. 
 
I hate to see more restrictions which damage business and individual freedom and I appreciate how many like you feel about this.  Unfortunately, nobody has advanced any immediate, practical alternative in light of the stark rises in infection rates seen across the country.
There are various projections that suggest deaths could reach several thousand a day, with a peak of mortality in a “reasonable worst case”  - worse than the country saw in April. But this is not so much about projected mortality as hospital capacity to cope with all those becoming ill.  Even if mortality rates could be kept very low, letting the virus to continue to pass through the population would still result in hospitals running out of capacity to treat people with Covid.  This would mean those with other illnesses and injuries could not access the NHS.
There is a belief held by some that current testing is subject to a high rate of false positives, suggesting that these measures are not necessary, but the evidence does not support this.  Claims of high rates of false positives circulating on social media are based on unrealistic estimates about the specificity of the NAAT COVID test – see [No,%2090%25%20Of%20Coronavirus%20Tests%20Are%20Not%20'False%20Positives'%20And%20This%20Is%20Why]No, 90% Of Coronavirus Tests Are Not 'False Positives' And This Is Why.  If the government were to act on unreliable analysis, many more deaths and much more economic damage would be the result.  
The previous lockdown proved that restrictions can help to get the virus under control again.  The question is what the government should do when it gets another breathing space.  A new vaccine or vaccines, or other treatments or remedies, will help, but we cannot bank on them providing an immediate escape from this. So I have been urging the government to set up a high level strategic group, away from the frontline of the crisis, to set out a new policy, which might be called “Living With Coronavirus”.  
We are faced with three choices.  We could carry on with periodic lockdowns to protect lives and the capacity of the NHS, but this is ruinous for the economy.  Or we could rapidly expand the NHS to cope with however many people need Covid hospital treatment, but this would also be ruinously expensive and we do not have enough doctors and nurses to staff all the new hospitals that we would need.  By far the cheapest third option is to find and isolate the spreaders and their contacts.  Once the virus transmission rate is very low again, finding and isolating the spreaders is a relatively limited task.  We cannot rely on that alone from now, because there are far too many spreaders, but the next four weeks offer an opportunity for the government to learn from, and to adapt, what is being achieved in other countries, such as Japan and South Korea, whose test and trace systems keep the virus spread low, avoiding the need for national lockdowns.  
This means transforming our NHS Test and Trace system.  Tracking down spreaders cannot be done from computer systems and call centres run from Whitehall.  It has to be very local.  The Japan system was described to me as “very analogue”.  You can only do this by person-to-person human contact, so people have confidence that the person knocking on their door understands their particular circumstances.  A successful system must commands the confidence of the public and only this would achieve the necessary compliance from those persuaded to isolate.  This is the only way to avoid repeated lockdowns.
Much has been done in NHS Track and Trace, and much learned.  We should celebrate that Covid testing is now reaching 500,000 per day, but this will achieve little unless there is coherent analysis and assessment of data, coherent planning and capable delivery.  I have been pressing for weeks now that a senior military commander should take over this operation, who would set up single HQ, can be capable of overseeing a behaviour change campaign based on data, and which wins consent.  Currently, the churn amongst senior staff and the attempt to operate Test and Trace from several separate locations means that there is no means of coherent planning across the different activities in Test and Trace.  
To compensate for the short term economic impact of the new lockdown, the government has taken unprecedented steps to support business and employment, particularly in the hospitality sector and associated supply chains.  This includes renewing the 80 per cent ‘furlough’ scheme, and a number of new grant schemes based on rateable values, which are being announced. I am also acutely aware of the need for additional support for the self-employed and have been making the case on this in the past months.  
I am keen to see a return of the freedoms and social contact which all human beings need.  This is why I will be supporting the vote on Wednesday.  The alternative would be worse for public health, worse for the longer term and worse for the economy.
I appreciate you may be disappointed with this response but in the longer term we should all be optimistic.  There will be better treatments and vaccines over time.  People will build up their immunity.  We will learn to live with this virus, rebuild our reliance and our economy. In the meantime, we have no option but to control the spread of the virus while our society, health systems and behaviour adapts.

No, 90% Of Coronavirus Tests Are Not 'False Positives' And This Is Why

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This is criminal.

90% of tests are indeed not false positives.

However 90% (at least) of positives are false positives.

This isn't a debunking.... it's an outrageous misrepresentation of what is being said about PCR and high false positives.

The Lancet explained all that... the false positive rate on all tests is between 0.8% and 4%.

If you take the mid-point for sake of argument, it means that all the cases the government are claiming are positive are in fact false positives.

They know the PCR test is not fit for purpose.

That makes them all criminals.

The virus is going to call yet another truce in the run up to xmas (just as it did every Thurs at 8pm so we could clap for the NHS).

As time progresses and things begin to unfold, it becomes more apparent what is behind this virus hoax.  There is little or no doubt in my mind exactly why it was deemed necessary to remove Donald Trump from the White House.  He, Donald Trump, is a republican (a democrat in the true sense) who cared about the citizens of America, that was his priority during his term as President - he befriended fellow nations who could benefit one another in terms of living standards, the peoples future.

Biden, on the other hand, is clearly a key player in the global dictatorship that threatens the future - our freedom and social interaction.  Biden is a friend of China, China is a threat, a land gagged by a communist regime.  A dictatorship!  War and civil unrest and rebellion will always be an hour away from becoming a reality.  The two countries have now successfully formed a friendly alliance that promises to rule the world.

The American vote was rigged thus opening the door for this new alliance, the virus is a hoax opening the door to a global dictatorship.  A very cunning plan, carefully developed over many years and implemented with streamline precision - world leaders were cajoled into joining the club without even realising they'd been duped, with a few exceptions of course.  Step forward Boris Johnson!

As for the populace, they have been caught in a whirlwind of change, bombarded with conflicting information, in short not knowing whether they are coming or going.  Short term the confusion would have no serious effect on the economy and the psyche but long term can only lead to irreparable damage - we will never fully recover from this catastrophe.

Is Boris Johnson so caught-up in his own sense of self-importance to even realise this scandal is worldwide?  Although greatly restricted, people still travel, the doors are still open to legal and illegal migrants, it there is a virus to spread it will spread no matter how many bits of rag you stick on your face or how many broomsticks you carry around every time you leave home - or even before you leave home.

Doug D's MP response above ^^^ is only a repetition of the stock narrative issued by the government and world health authorities, who seem to think they have the whip hand on how we live and it's slowly but surely working to their advantage.

So, who is set to really benefit by all these radical changes on the agenda?  The already rich and powerful of course, to be led by the already flourishing pharmaceutical industry, technology giants, banks and .... err .... China?

As an aside, can anyone tell me exactly what hospital services are being burdened by the COVID-19 virus?  Can you treat a virus - or can you only treat the symptoms, like respiratory complications?  A vaccine is reckoned to act as a preventative measure but that's not the same as treating and/or curing an illness.  COVID-19 is now being coupled with AIDS, in a celebratory sense I fear - there is already a world AIDS day (1st December is it?) so expect world COVID-19 day to be announced in due course.

Or perhaps stick all the horrors together, abolish all existing religious festivals and have one massive annual celebration .... World Dooms Day!

Have a nice day .

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Naked MEP leaps from window as Belgian police raid orgy for breaking coronavirus rules

EU diplomats were also arrested at the 'gang bang' held just metres from a city centre police station, it was reported

ByJames Crisp, BRUSSELS CORRESPONDENT1 December 2020 • 2:11pm

A naked MEP tried to escape through a window after police broke up a 25-strong sex party in Brussels’ city centre for breaking coronavirus rules. 

The unnamed MEP reportedly injured himself jumping out of the first floor of a flat above a bar, where the orgy was being held.

He was promptly arrested by police but brandished his European Parliament badge and claimed immunity. EU rules don’t confer immunity when a MEP is caught in the act of committing an offence. 

Belgian media reported police sources as claiming there were also a number of EU diplomats at the sex party, which was on Friday night and just a few metres from a city centre police station and the city's iconic Grand Place. 

“We interrupted a gang bang!” one source told local media and confirmed the Belgian Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Mayor of Brussels were called. 

Police fined the 25 people, who were mostly men, at the orgy £225 pounds each before releasing them. They broke rules limiting gatherings of people to four.

Belgium only allows single people two “cuddle contacts” under its coronavirus rules and insists on masks being worn when social distancing is impossible. 

Brussels is under strict lockdown, including a 10pm curfew and a ban on the sale of alcohol after 8pm. Drink and drugs were found, it was reported but not confirmed. 

“I can confirm that about twenty people were fined for failure to comply with health measures following an evening party organised on Friday evening on the first floor of a building in the centre of Brussels," the Brussels’ prosecutors office said. 

The news sparked feverish speculation in Brussels, the home of the major EU institutions, as to the MEP’s identity. At time of publication, that had still not been confirmed. 

A European Parliament source said: “There is nothing wrong to participate on a sex party of any kind. However, such kind of meetings with many people are illegal under the coronavirus laws. 

“The fact of being covered by parliamentary immunity does not exempt to obey the law.”

“Parliament doesn't investigate private life of people. Again, if there was misconduct it is up to the relevant authorities to act,” the European Parliament’s chief spokesman said as he ruled out an inquiry. 

If he was naked, where did he keep his Badge ?

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Former diplomat to China explains the ‘weaponisation of COVID’ | 60 Minutes Australia

He's pushing the line that it's all real - there is a real scary virus - and China is to blame.

He's one of them.

HOW CONVENIENT: CNN Suddenly Discovers China Lied About Health Crisis Origin And Numbers

Ministers make a meal out of scotch egg ruling for pubs

Ministers have scrambled the government’s message on scotch eggs by sowing confusion over whether they count as a “substantial meal” for would-be drinkers in England.

Michael Gove became the second cabinet member to wade into the debate over scotch eggs this morning by claiming that they are a starter, before backtracking and saying that they are definitely a substantial meal.

The controversy began yesterday after George Eustice, the environment, food and rural affairs secretary, said that scotch eggs “probably would count” as a meal under new coronavirus rules in England.

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Geeez'us, give me strength! A scotch egg is anything you want it to be - it's a personal journey into gastronomy. Have we really got to the stage where politicians decide what we should eat, when we should eat and how we should eat?

What about the humble pork pie - to be or not to be? Gastronomy or bar snack or the weary travelers refuge washed down with a jug of Yorkshire's finest ale when passing through the quaint old town of Skipton - birth place of renowned porky pies.

Haven't they anything better to do than poke their grubby snouts in our eating habits and/or preferences? One man's meat is another man's gravy.

Now butt out!

It's akin to kindergarten - that's pre-school to thee and me .!

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Someone came to my pad today to do a little job.

When finished the little job, he requested an anti-bacterial soap, I begrudgingly gave him a bar of what I've got.  Curiosity got the better of me, I watched the proceedings.  He looked at his watch and then washed his hands for what I estimate to have been 20 seconds - 10/10 for political correctness - 0/10 for common sense and self-awareness!

A clean towel was then required and a request for a hand sanitizer, muffled through his be-masked boat race, to rid himself of the disease riddled environment I call home!

No can do!

As he departed he said with oh so much glee .... 'the vaccine, it cometh'. like he was talking of a resurrected geeez'us.

Me?  Oh just go, get out of my home you deluded fool.

What an idiot, rude too. He must have looked at you and thought you were a high risk . . . what an insult. Yet his stoopid actions would have actually increased his potential exposure . . . but only if this flipflop virus was actually real in the first place. 

So much virtue signalling and narcissism going on. So many bad actors seem to relish being minor players in the unrolling of the New Age of Feudal Servitude . . . they think it will save them to be onboard the HMS Bullshit. Such delusion.

I'm half inclined to invite him back to see how he appears at the door .

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Britain is first western nation to approve Covid vaccine as Pfizer jab gets green light

Britain has become the first western nation to approve a Covid vaccine, paving the way for the largest immunisation campaign in the history of the NHS to begin next week.

The vaccine developed by Pfizer-Biontech was approved for use by the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) this morning, ahead of similar decisions in the US and Europe.

Trials have indicated that the jab is 95 per cent effective in preventing symptomatic Covid overall and protects 94 per cent of people over the age of 65.

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