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Post by Silentscope on 26.10.20 20:36

The PJ were reluctant to give access to DNA samples probably because they think the BKA want to Hijack the case, and are out to help clear the McCanns by framing Brückner.

I can understand this point of view.

Brückner will not be Extradited to stand trial in Portugal. If charged, he would be tried in Germany. Portugal would be granted Access but would have no control over the trial outcome.

What I cannot understand is WHY Herr Wolters and the BKA think they are going to find ANYTHING that will destroy the PJ’s Arguments and Evidence as they stand?

Even if they find Maddie they will still have to prove WHAT HAPPENED.
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Post by Verdi on 26.10.20 20:45

@sharonl wrote:The Germans may do well to remember that this is a Portuguese investigation of a crime that took place on Portuguese soil. They need to stop interfering.

And that also applies to Sloperation Grunge!

It's the outside interference that's prevented the Portuguese police from pursuing a criminal investigation into the disappearance of a three year old child.

The way they have been slandered for doing just that, is a crime in itself.

So much for international policing protocol - empty words. They are supposed to assist an investigation, not sabotage it.

Wolter hit the nail on the head by saying Brueckner would never appear before a court of law because all the publicity would be deemed an unfair trial. Just as I've been saying all along as regards the McCanns.

It was deliberate then, as it is now.

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Post by Verdi on 27.10.20 1:34

If you care to look close enough, this German self created involvement in the case is; a mix of information reported since the release of the PJ files into the public arena and the resultant subsequent mischief that has manifested over the years.

Paedophiles - burglars - Germans - Russians. Just keep the focus away from Portugal and the UK, specifically England!

Remember witness Pamela Fenn's report of a burglar she caught by the ankle as he/she escaped by a window in her apartment?

Perhaps it really was shhhh you know who eyes !

That's precisely what folk have been doing over the past 13+ years. Taking snippets out of context and transforming into a parallel universe.

In short - cobblers!

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Post by Silentscope on 27.10.20 10:29

There seems to be no comments from the German Press this morning on the subject of any return to Portugal by the BKA.

Make of that what you will...
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Post by Verdi on 27.10.20 11:28

It's the turn of the intelligent tabloid # duh to comment on the latest non-event..

Madeleine McCann cops launch ‘final roll of dice’ bid to prove who killed her

German detectives involved with the Madeleine McCann case are said to be trying to return to Praia de Luz, Portugal in a final push in their investigation into prime suspect, Christian Brueckner

ByTalia ShadwellReporter

07:19, 27 OCT 2020

Madeleine McCann detectives are planning to return to Portugal for 'one final push' in their investigation before the New Year, reports claim.

Investigators want to head back to Praia de Luz, where the British three-year-old was snatched on a family holiday thirteen years ago.

A source working on the case said detectives are desperate to head to the Algarve to find fresh leads on prime suspect, Christian Brueckner, after 'hitting a wall' in recent weeks.

The 43-year-old, who has child pornography and rape convictions, is currently serving a drugs jail term in Germany.

He lived near the Praia da Luz resort where the British toddler vanished in 2007.

Brueckner’s lawyer Friedrich Fuelscher says his client is innocent.

Reports claimed the investigation is being scaled back ahead of the New Year due to a lack of fresh evidence.

But a source close to the investigation told The Sun: “German officers believe there are areas of the investigation into [Christian B] and his time in Portugal which would benefit from having boots on the ground.

“Most specifically there are unanswered questions about [Christian B's] movements in the days and weeks after [Madeleine] vanished.

“German officers also think witnesses still living in Portugal could hold vital clues."

The newspaper claims the German police officers' desire to head to the Algarve is due to a breakdown in relations with their Portuguese counterparts.

According to The Sun, the two forces have differing views on whether Brueckner was involved in Maddie's disappearance.

The German detectives will need to generate fresh leads to gain permission to investigate in Portugal again, the newspaper reports.

The Mirror reported over the weekend that German prosecutors fear they will never bring Brueckner to court.

The prosecutor leading the inquiry into Brueckner’s alleged links to Maddie's disappearance, Hans Christian Wolters, said there was no “forensic evidence.”

Mr Wolters, who is leading the probe in Germany, added that other clues investigators had were “not enough to get an arrest warrant”.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-cops-launch-final-22911206

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Post by Verdi on 27.10.20 11:50

Madeleine McCann cops launch ‘final roll of dice’ bid to prove who killed her

It's a supposed police investigation, not a friggin' casino - why keep using these stupid clichés?

Second thoughts skull the entire situation is a gamble [ eek that name again].

The investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann has nothing whatsoever to do with German authorities. If the Portuguese police require assistance with their investigation from another country, they will liaise accordingly. If Germany are investigating a German national for past crimes, all well and good, that's their prerogative but interfering with the case of Madeleine McCann is not their prerogative.

I've said all along this situation is partly an attack against the Portuguese police and the only beneficiaries are London's Metropolitan Police and the true prime suspects - Gerry and Kate McCann, along with their holiday friends.

This is what happens when an incident is allowed to run riot without restraint. To say it gets carried-away is the understatement of the millenniums past and present.

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Post by PeterMac on 27.10.20 14:11

Slightly more balanced from the Inde

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-brueckner-germany-probe-closed-new-year-b1342926.html

with two neat quotes.


Portuguese police also reportedly believe the investigation into Brueckner has wasted precious time as they ruled him out as a suspect shortly after the four-year-old girl went missing from a resort in Praia da Luz.

The source added that the lack of new clues came as no surprise to the Portuguese team who worked on the original investigation as they “believed for a long time that the investigation into B is effectively a wild goose chase”.
The investigative team in Portugal believe the focus should “now be on finding the person who actually took Madeleine”, said the source.
Brueckner’s lawyer, Friedrich Fulscher, previously told The Sun he had proof that his client was innocent and that German authorities had the wrong man.
Two weeks ago, he called on prosecutors to “show their cards” and share the “concrete evidence” they have that proves Madeleine is dead. Mr Fulscher claims prosecutors have so far refused to reveal the evidence.
He said it was “no secret” that the Portuguese police have a “different theory” about the case, and insisted the German prosecution could disprove that theory “when they finally put their cards on the table”.
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Post by Verdi on 27.10.20 15:12


Police officers from Scotland Yard attended 'secret' meeting in Portugal to work out where Madeleine McCann could be buried


According reports in Portugal, UK, Portuguese and German police investigating the abduction of the little girl. met 'recently'

By Jamie Johnson 27 October 2020 • 2:39pm

Police officers from Scotland Yard have attended a “secret” meeting in Lisbon with their Portuguese and German counterparts to work out where Madeleine McCann could be buried, reports claim.

The forces met to pore over the details of suspect Christian Brückner’s life in the Algarve around the time when the young girl went missing, with reports suggesting that German police may travel to Praia da Luz for “one last roll of the dice” in their investigation.

According to Portuguese daily Correio da Manha the meeting took place “recently” at the Lisbon HQ of the Policia Judiciaria.

“Wells and ditches have been looked at with a fine tooth comb, but no signs of the remains of the missing girl have been found,” the Portuguese officers are said to have told the British police.

The abandoned wells in question are a 15-minute drive from Brückner’s rented cottage on the outskirts of Praia de Luz, on a narrow road leading down to a beach where the he used to park his VW camper van.

While the Metropolitan police still treat Madeleine's disappearance 13 years ago as a missing persons inquiry, German police are calling it a murder investigation.

Both forces are continuing to try to gather information on convicted paedophile and rapist, Christian Brückner, who is currently in a jail in Germany on drugs charges.

“They regard it as essential to work out his routine in 2007, when Madeleine disappeared and Brückner was living near the Ocean Club where she vanished from,” the paper said.

It was also reported that German police want to return to the Algarve resort of Praia da Luz as part of a “final roll of the dice” in their investigation.

The claim followed German prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters’ admission that without new clues, the 43-year-old will never be charged over Madeleine’s disappearance.

His lawyers insist he is innocent. The Metropolitan police were contacted for comment.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/10/27/police-officers-scotland-yard-attended-secret-meeting-portugal/


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Post by Verdi on 29.10.20 15:33

The Intelligent Tabloid wrote:British police investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann reportedly held a crunch meeting with German and Portuguese counterparts.

The crunch talks were aimed at working out where she may have been buried after being kidnapped.

Detectives from Scotland Yard are said to have held talks in the Portuguese capital Lisbon.

German police officers leading the probe into suspect Christian Brueckner were said to be making a "final roll of the dice".

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Post by sharonl on 29.10.20 23:13

The official investigation was carried out in Portimao, thats where all the evidence was recorded. Why were the UK and German police meeting Portuguese police in Lisbon?

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Post by Silentscope on 29.10.20 23:28

PJ Headqaurters is in Lisbon, with easy access from the Airport.
The Forensic Science Headqaurters are also based there.

The Polícia Judiciária is officially responsible for criminal investigation and evidence collection. In addition to this, almost all homicides in Portuguese territory are handled by the PJ (there is also the unrelated Polícia Judiciária Militar, the criminal investigation military police). The crime fighting work performed by the Polícia Judiciária is regularly shown in the Portuguese media. Major drug trafficking combat operations are often reported in the main Portuguese television networks and other media, as well as the dismantling of organized crime groups linked with terrorism, corruption, fraud, burglary, robbery, forgery and other crimes. In the 2000s, the Polícia Judiciária had a rate of success of 77.43% in finding missing children, including abductions and runaway children.[2][3] In 2009 alone, PJ had a 100% success rate in finding missing children (193 cases solved out of 193; 53 in the Lisbon Region).[4] The same happened in 2010.


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Post by Verdi on 30.10.20 0:19

AND?

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Post by Verdi on 30.10.20 0:26

@sharonl wrote:The official investigation was carried out in Portimao, thats where all the evidence was recorded.  Why were the UK and German police meeting Portuguese police in Lisbon?

Cos Correio da Manha, Portugal's answer to Jon Clarke's Investigative Journalizm Inc, said so yes

The meeting couldn't have been that clandestine if plastered across the headlines could it? Oh no, of course, we've been this way before haven't we? Many many times roll .

Still, why stand in the way of a good garden fence gosspit.

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Post by Verdi on 02.11.20 21:02

Nick's on the Pisa again - why oh why oh why does he keep regurgitating the same of old stuff week in week out?

HOPES DASHED Madeleine McCann’s parents face new heartache as prosecutors say suspect Christian B may not be charged until next year


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   2 Nov 2020, 16:32Updated: 2 Nov 2020, 16:33

MADELEINE McCann's parents face fresh heartache after prosecutors revealed they would not be charging the prime suspect until next year at the earliest.

Convicted rapist and paedophile Christian B, 43, was identified as the man responsible for the three-year old's kidnap and murder by the German authorities in June.

Kate and Gerry hoped it would mark the end of their 13 year agony at not knowing what had happened to their beloved daughter but now their hopes have been dashed.

Speaking exclusively to The Sun, prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters admitted leads had dried up and there would be no developments this year, with charges unlikely before the Spring and only if they find more evidence.

He said: ''I cannot say how long our investigation will go on for but I know there will be no developments this year, in 2020. We had hoped to charge him but that has not been possible.

''Maybe we hope to have something by the Spring of 2021, maybe it could take longer but certainly nothing this year.

''We have some evidence against our suspect but it is not strong enough. We have proof that he was involved and that he killed Madeleine but it's not strong enough to charge him.

''We need more evidence and more witnesses but if we don't get them then the case may drop but we hope that will not happen and he will be charged.''

His downbeat comments are in contrast to June where he announced in a headline grabbing news conference he had ''concrete evidence'' Maddie was dead.

He added: ''So long as we have something to investigate then we will investigate but if no witnesses come forward then we will have to come to an end but at the moment I can't see this point.

"It may be that we have to make another appeal to see if we can get any more tips.

''We have not been in touch with Madeleine's parents other than a few months ago when we made the announcement of our investigation because there is no need to."

Last month Christian B's lawyer Friedrich Fulscher - who insists his client is innocent - called on prosecutors to reveal their evidence to be ''fair'' to his client and the McCann family.

He added: ''The prosecutor has not revealed anything to us about the investigation.

"They are adamant but they are chasing someone who is just convenient to them.''

Madeleine disappeared from her holiday apartment in Praia da Luz on Portugal's Algarve coast in May 2007.

Christian B - who has convictions for rape and child abuse - is currently serving 21 months for drug offences in Germany's Kiel prison.

At the end of last month we reported how Scotland Yard detectives reportedly held a secret meeting with German and Portuguese police in Lisbon in a bid to find Madeleine.

The aim of the conference was to fine-tune suspect Christian B's profile to try to work out where the child’s body may have been buried after she was kidnapped, with German cops believing she is dead.

The meeting is said to have taken place “recently” at the Lisbon HQ of the Policia Judiciaria (PJ), the force heading the Portuguese probe into the three-year-old's disappearance, reports daily newspaper Correio da Manha.

Three wells near Praia da Luz are known to have been searched in July but police and firefighters failed to find any trace of Madeleine.

German authorities are treating the case as a murder inquiry and say they have concrete evidence the missing youngster is dead - but have yet to reveal what this evidence they have.

The abandoned wells are a 15-minute drive from Christian B's rented cottage on the outskirts of Praia de Luz, on a narrow road leading down to a beach where the paedophile used to park his VW camper van.

Christian B is also being probed in Germany over a 2004 Algarve rape and a sex attack on a beach near Praia da Luz a month before Madeleine vanished.

In Portugal, prosecutors have reopened their investigation into a sex crime in a playground he was arrested over in 2017.

He was held on suspicion of exposing himself to young children at a playground in Sao Bartolomeu de Messines a 40-minute drive from Praia de Luz.

Police discovered after his detention that he was wanted by Germany on an international arrest warrant for child sex abuse and possession of child pornography.

He was extradited to his homeland and was never prosecuted in Portugal following his Algarve arrest.

The criminal probe was mothballed despite protests from the youngsters’ angry parents but reopened in September.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13086481/madeleine-mccann-heartache-suspect-charged-next-year/

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Post by PeterMac on 03.11.20 10:53

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German prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters has insisted Madeleine is dead


Sehr geehrte Hr. Wolters,
Sir, 
You do not have to INSIST.
Everyone KNOWS Madeleine is dead
The only remaining questions are :
• exactly when, 
• in what manner, 
• where her mortal remains are concealed
• and who bears the ultimate responsibility.
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Post by Verdi on 03.11.20 12:16

HOPES DASHED Madeleine McCann’s parents face new heartache

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Post by Verdi on 03.11.20 12:23

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Post by Zelina on 07.11.20 23:06

I haven't been on here for a very long time but the 60 minutes episode that popped up in my YouTube recommendations made my blood BOIL.

The whole "we have evidence but we're not going to tell you what it is" is insulting the intelligence of the viewers. How come they have phone records that conveniently place a nasty piece of work like Christian Brueckner in the area at the time but somehow they couldn't use phone records to identify all of Gerry's movements? 
As for Madeleine being dead, I was literally shouting at my screen YES WE KNOW YOU MUPPET!

Most of all I'm so confused about Sandra, when did she change camps?

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Post by Jill Havern on 07.11.20 23:30

Hi Zelina, welcome back. Sandra disappointed us in the Netflix documentary 'The Disappearance of Madeleine McCann' - did you see it?

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Post by crusader on 08.11.20 10:55

This article from the mail is interesting.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8395321/Witness-saw-Madeline-McCann-German-owned-VW-van-unidentified-man-weeks-vanished.html.

This does look bad for CB ,especially the anonymous witness that said she saw CB in Spain on may 28th. She didn't report it until 4 days later though 1st June and sent to Portugal on the 4th. The report is in the police files .

They can find as much evidence as they like about CB, Madeleine died in 5a, the dogs said so, I believe them.

The dogs findings will have to be explained before they can charge CB.
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Post by Zelina on 08.11.20 13:11

I don't have Netflix so unfortunately I didn't see that particular documentary. I felt that Sandra was someone who was both intelligent and good at reading people so I can't understand what happened to make her change her mind like this. 

It might be a bit crass for me to say so but how is it that a small area in Portugal has such a high number of paedophiles, rapists and assorted criminals? It doesn't seem statistically likely.

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Post by AnneBarnard on 08.11.20 20:05

Apologies for being blunt, but...

... is this Christian B thing still going on??

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Post by Silentscope on 08.11.20 20:37

Maybe instead of calling him “the climber”.or “screwdriver “ they should call him Mr. TEFLON.

NOTHING has stuck on him so far...
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Post by sharonl on 08.11.20 21:49

@Zelina wrote:I don't have Netflix so unfortunately I didn't see that particular documentary. I felt that Sandra was someone who was both intelligent and good at reading people so I can't understand what happened to make her change her mind like this. 

It might be a bit crass for me to say so but how is it that a small area in Portugal has such a high number of paedophiles, rapists and assorted criminals? It doesn't seem statistically likely.

It seems to me that there is something seriously amiss with the expat community over there and there seems to be plenty of Brits either living there or owning villas in the area.

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@Zelina wrote:I don't have Netflix so unfortunately I didn't see that particular documentary. I felt that Sandra was someone who was both intelligent and good at reading people so I can't understand what happened to make her change her mind like this. 
Three possibilities:

1. She was offered a higher salary/promotion

2. Otherwise she would be sacked, or

3. £££££

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