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Post by Verdi 14.07.20 1:56

It's bollocks!

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Post by Verdi 14.07.20 2:04

@Mainline wrote:I sent in evidence to Wolters and he 'forwarded it to investigation'.

We just need the casual witnesses to step forward IMO.

Is this you speaking Mainline, or are you quoting someone else? If you, what evidence did you send, how and why?

A casual witness to what?

Discretion is the better part of valor. Heroic meddling can be more destructive than constructive.

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Post by Doug D 14.07.20 7:53

‘German prosecutors were not told about fresh searches for Madeleine McCann – and say they do not even know what prompted them.

Portuguese police sent divers to explore three wells last week near where German suspect Christian Brueck­­ner used to hang out.

But Braunschweig public prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters has revealed he was not alerted in advance.’

 
I can’t find it now, but last week when the ‘well’ story first broke, I read somewhere that the PJ were searching for someone else, so maybe this isn’t even a MM story, but just another red-top complete fiction.
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Post by Mainline 14.07.20 8:12

@Verdi wrote:
@Mainline wrote:I sent in evidence to Wolters and he 'forwarded it to investigation'.

We just need the casual witnesses to step forward IMO.

Is this you speaking Mainline, or are you quoting someone else?  If you, what evidence did you send, how and why?

A casual witness to what?

Discretion is the better part of valor.  Heroic meddling can be more destructive than constructive.
His contact details are publicly listed. I passed on something that was passed to me.

And to confirm, once and for all, that there was no abduction.
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Post by Silverspeed 14.07.20 9:33

@Doug D wrote:‘German prosecutors were not told about fresh searches for Madeleine McCann – and say they do not even know what prompted them.

Portuguese police sent divers to explore three wells last week near where German suspect Christian Brueck­­ner used to hang out.

But Braunschweig public prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters has revealed he was not alerted in advance.’

 
I can’t find it now, but last week when the ‘well’ story first broke, I read somewhere that the PJ were searching for someone else, so maybe this isn’t even a MM story, but just another red-top complete fiction.
I read that too Doug. It was on this thread somewhere.  I think it came from one of our Portuguese residents.
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Post by theomega 14.07.20 10:15

Spinning #MadeleineMcCann case of "banana starts with a 'b' but sometimes with an 's'" but not in this case

Mark Williams-Thomas

It"s clear that the relationship between the three police forces remains disjointed & fractious. For example: Portuguese did not tell the Germans about the new searches Germans did not tell British about full details they initially released. #MadeleineMcCann


REALLY?

They were more likely looking for the murder weapon of Kenny Dijksma (murdered last 21/5). Why would they need to inform the German Police force? Not sure why mr. Wolters keeps being quoted. Why is he so much 'seeking' publicity. Tabloids are not the best source of information!


"Who the fuck killed Kenny Dijksma"" A lot going on lately in small village Vila Do Bispo (5000 residents) 

https://www.portugalresident.com/dutchman-found-dead-in-suspected-murder-in-vila-do-bispo/

https://www.misdaadjournalist.nl/2020/05/follow-up-moordzaak-portugal-kenny-dijksma-was-bij-iedereen-geliefd/
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Post by talby66 14.07.20 22:04

@Doug D wrote:‘German prosecutors were not told about fresh searches for Madeleine McCann – and say they do not even know what prompted them.

Portuguese police sent divers to explore three wells last week near where German suspect Christian Brueck­­ner used to hang out.

But Braunschweig public prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters has revealed he was not alerted in advance.’

 
I can’t find it now, but last week when the ‘well’ story first broke, I read somewhere that the PJ were searching for someone else, so maybe this isn’t even a MM story, but just another red-top complete fiction.
Someone posted on here that on HiDeHo's facebook page a local in Portugal said the searches related to the murder of a dutchman - I have no idea whether it's true.
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Post by Verdi 14.07.20 22:05

spit coffee   This is just too funny..

MADDIE BETRAYAL Madeleine McCann’s parents’ heartache as German cops prepare to drop investigation
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   14 Jul 2020, 21:30Updated: 14 Jul 2020, 21:03

MADELEINE McCann’s parents face fresh heartache as police in Germany prepare to end their investigation into her disappearance.

It comes amid fears prime suspect Christian B could be out of jail in days.

German police are convinced the paedophile snatched Madeleine then killed her and say they will decide whether to charge him “within months”.

But lead prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters said his team would not continue their inquiries indefinitely.

Lawyers for Christian B, 43, will be at the European Court of Justice on Thursday to appeal his seven-year jail term for raping a pensioner in Praia da Luz in 2005.

Madeleine, then three, was abducted from her family’s holiday apartment in the Portuguese resort in 2007 while parents Kate and Gerry ate a meal nearby.

Mr Wolters said: “Of course we have an interest in keeping our suspect in custody.

“This gives us access to interrogations in the event of an indictment.

“We have no endeavors to drag this out unnecessarily. We’ll draw a line at some point and see.”

Portuguese police have been searching old wells around nearby Budens for the body of Madeleine. But they have not told British or German cops what prompted the operation.

Christian B, who we reported once boasted of snatching Madeleine, is serving time in a German jail for drugs.

If his rape appeal is successful he will be freed.

A source said: “What we fear is liberal judges will release him and we will lose him . . . which would threaten the case enormously.”

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12124392/madeleine-mccann-german-cops-drop-investigation/
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.. brings tears to yer eyes splat

Parker Pisa nicked a pack of pickled porkies
A pack of pickled porkies Parker Pisa nicked
If Parker Pisa nicked a pack of pickled porkies
Where’s the pack of pickled porkies Parker Pisa nicked


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Post by talby66 14.07.20 22:15

@talby66 wrote:
@Doug D wrote:‘German prosecutors were not told about fresh searches for Madeleine McCann – and say they do not even know what prompted them.

Portuguese police sent divers to explore three wells last week near where German suspect Christian Brueck­­ner used to hang out.

But Braunschweig public prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters has revealed he was not alerted in advance.’

 
I can’t find it now, but last week when the ‘well’ story first broke, I read somewhere that the PJ were searching for someone else, so maybe this isn’t even a MM story, but just another red-top complete fiction.
Someone posted on here that on HiDeHo's facebook page a local in Portugal said the searches related to the murder of a dutchman - I have no idea whether it's true.
Here is the facebook stuff

TC Portuguese police is actually looking for evidence on a murder in Vila do
Bispo.Just googled the news ( Portuguese):face_palm_tone1:‍�

TC A guy from Netherlands was found death 2 months ago,still no one to be charged.PJ is around there trying to investigate.Nothing to do with Maddie.
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Post by sandancer 14.07.20 22:23

Hans Christian Andersen , oops Wolters , does love seeing his name in print ! 

" Of course we have an interest in keeping our suspect in custody " 

Well aren't we all surprised , that's what all this has been about , isn't it Mr Wolters ? 

Nothing to do with Madeleine at all !

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Post by pauloalexandre 14.07.20 22:50

Neither the Faro Public Ministry nor the PJ have said that they were conducting diligences with regards to the Madeleine McCann case.

This smells like another hoax claim, one you would expect from the gutter British press.

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Post by Verdi 15.07.20 0:32

@pauloalexandre wrote:Neither the Faro Public Ministry nor the PJ have said that they were conducting diligences with regards to the Madeleine McCann case.

This smells like another hoax claim, one you would expect from the gutter British press.

It's consistent - only we are now witnessing the German gutter press. Same meat different gravy.

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Post by Doug D 15.07.20 8:33

Textusa highlighted the ECJ appeal due to be heard tomorrow (Thursday 16th July).
 
From the legal documents submitted (I trust these are more accurate than the red-tops versions) I conclude the following timeline of events:
 
6 Oct 2011     Sentenced 1yr 9mths for drug trafficking (suspended sentence?)
 
Early 2016     Criminal proceedings for the sexual abuse of a child
 
23 Aug 2016 EAW issued for child sexual abuse
 
22 June 2017 Handed over to Germany by Portugal. Served 1yr 3mths until 31 Aug 2018, with 5 year probationary supervision order to follow. Released before the previous suspended sentence had been added.
 
18 or 19 Sept 2018 Left for Netherlands, later went to Italy
 
Sept 2018      EAW issued in respect of the suspended sentence. Arrested in Italy 27 Sept 2018 and handed over to Germany on 18 Oct 2018.
 
12 Dec 2018  Further EAW for Italy to consent to the rape prosecution.
                        Approved in Milan 22 Mar 2019.
 
23 July 2019  Defendant in custody (although presumably he had been since Oct 2018)
 
16 Dec 2019  Convicted of rape case from 2005 in PdL
 
12 Feb 2020  Portugal consented to the enforcement of the suspended drugs sentence (from 2011!)
 
7 Jun 2020    Could be released as two-thirds of drugs sentence served
 
Pages more of legal argument as to the legality of a trial for something not originally covered under a EAW.
 
……………………………………..
 
What a load of nonsense, having to get permission from another country to prosecute someone who is already in your custody, for a crime that subsequently comes to light, but obviously wasn’t included under the EAW.
 
No wonder nothing ever gets done either here (ECJ) or in the ECHR.
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Post by Silentscope 15.07.20 9:15

Whatever the Press or MSM in any country involved in this case portray, it invariably is - to sell better - SENSATIONALISED.

Like a balloon, they keep on pumping it up.
Trying to hack our brain cells to conform.

It just takes a prick from the needle of truth and it’s all over.
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Post by PeterMac 15.07.20 21:26

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8526773/Kate-Gerry-McCann-wont-surprised-Germans-drop-Maddie-case.html

Kate and Gerry McCann would be hugely ‘disappointed but not totally surprised’ if the German investigation into Madeleine’s 2007 disappearance is dropped due to lack of evidence, MailOnline can reveal.

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Or in English
Kate and Gerry McCann would be 'hugely relieved and deeply grateful' if the German investigation into Madeleine’s 2007 disappearance is dropped due to lack of evidence of what actually happened.

As with all their court cases they dare not let the truth be aired and shun any form of cross examination or
demands for explanations.
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Post by Verdi 16.07.20 0:53

NET CLOSING Madeleine McCann cops close to discovering who prime suspect called on night she vanished

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15 Jul 2020, 22:00Updated: 15 Jul 2020, 23:53

MADELEINE McCann cops are close to discovering who their prime suspect called on the night she vanished, it was reported last night.

Christian B, 43, was identified last month by German detectives as the person they believe abducted her.

This month they appealed on their country’s version of Crimewatch for help in identifying a mobile number he called the night Madeleine vanished from her holiday apartment in Praia da Luz, Portugal, in 2007, aged three.

The Sun revealed 16 tips had come in, with one being described as “useful”.

Sources said it was from the Bavaria region of Germany where convicted paedophile and rapist Christian B used to live.

The caller said they had recognised the number and on Thursday night details were due to be revealed on the TV show.

On Thursday, the show’s presenter, Rudi Cerne, said: “I have the impression that the noose continues to tighten around the current suspect.”

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12135463/madeleine-mccann-cops-prime-suspect-called-night-she-vanished/

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Post by BlueBag 16.07.20 6:53

If you ring a different country don't you need a country code?
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@BlueBag wrote:If you ring a different country don't you need a country code?
Don't spoil a good story with FACTS !
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Post by Doug D 16.07.20 9:00

And what’s a day amongst friends, as long as his lawyers turn up on the right day.

Just checked the ECJ diary in case it had changed since yesterday, but the case is still listed for 9.30 today, that’s Thursday Nick!
 
Nick Pizza:
 
‘Last year he was convicted of raping a 72-year-old American woman, which his lawyers are appealing against at the European Court of Justice on Friday.’

Did I spell your name wrong? Sorry, but things like that obviously don’t matter.
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Post by garfy 16.07.20 11:51

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/5817850/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-b-release-decision/


Mr Fulscher argued on a technicality that ''speciality protection law '' was broken because he was extradited for the drugs conviction but then subsequently put on trial for raping the elderly woman. 
Christian B was later sentenced to seven years for the rape but his legal team say he should not have been put on trial because Portugal was also not consulted over the use of the European Warrant.

The case was being heard at the European Court of Justice in Luxembourg led by Greek judge and Michail Vilaras.
A decision will not be made on the case today.
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Post by Silentscope 16.07.20 14:58

Am Donnerstag kam es noch zu keiner Entscheidung. Fülscher: „Anfang August kommen die Anträge des Generalanwalts; ich denke, im Laufe des August kommt die Entscheidung. Mich hat optimistisch gestimmt, dass die Republik Irland, die hier als einzige andere Nation teilgenommen hat, meine Rechtsauffassung vollumfänglich teilt.“


At the beginning of August the Judge General will receive the applications for bail.
During August it should be decided.


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Post by Verdi 16.07.20 15:38


Madeleine McCann suspect was able to 'make the most of open European borders' despite committing various crimes, ECJ hears


Christian Brueckner is currently in prison in Germany serving a sentence for drugs offences

By Izzy Lyons 16 July 2020 • 1:51pm



The German suspect in the Madeleine McCann case was able to “make the most of open European borders” despite committing various crimes and “flouting the rules”, the European Court of Justice (ECJ) has heard.

Christian Brückner was last month named as the prime suspect in the disappearance of three-year-old Madeleine, which the German authorities are treating as a murder investigation.

The 43-year-old is currently in prison in Germany after being convicted in December of violently raping a 72-year-old woman in Praia de Luiz in 2005 - two years before Madeleine went missing in the same Portuguese village.

On Thursday Brückner’s lawyers appeared at the ECJ in Luxembourg to argue that his seven-year sentence for the rape should be overturned and he should be released from prison.

They claim the conviction breaches international law because it was not the crime he was extradited for, as the German authorities originally returned him on child molestation and drug charges.

The legal appeal relates to a technical point under EU arrest warrant law, with Brückner’s defence team arguing that Germany needed Portugal's explicit consent to extradite him for one crime and then try him for another.

The five ECJ judges from the hearing will give their decision in the coming weeks on whether the conviction should be quashed. If they side with Brückner, who was not in court yesterday to hear the legal arguments, he could be released immediately.



Representing the German state, lawyer Felix Halabi told the ECJ that Bruckner’s legal argument is “devoid of sense”, adding: “The suspect made the most of open European borders and now he wants us to read the law in such a way it gets turned on its head to give him an advantage in court.”

Mr Halabi said that Brückner “flouted the rules” by leaving Germany while on probation after he was released from prison in August 2018 for sexually abusing a child.

The ECJ heard how Brückner left the country to travel to Italy via the Netherlands because he “wanted to go on holiday” his lawyer, Friedrich Fülscher, said.

When he arrived in Italy, he was subject to a second European arrest warrant for drugs offences from 2011 but, upon returning to Germany, he was put on trial for the rape. Mr Fulscher argued that this is “unconstitutional”.

According to EU law, people extradited by a member state through an arrest warrant may not be prosecuted for a previous crime “other than that which is the basis of the surrender.”

The ECJ will hand down an initial non-binding opinion on Brückner’s appeal on August 6, while the court’s legally binding ruling will be delivered several weeks later.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/07/16/madeleine-mccann-suspect-able-make-open-european-borders-despite/


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Renewed Home Office funding for Maddie search as Germans admit inquiries into latest suspect may be dropped

By Natasha Donn - 16th July 2020

After all the media hullabaloo, and news of renewed searches in the 13-year hunt for missing Madeleine McCann, German authorities appear to be admitting they may drop their inquiries into the latest suspect – jailed sex attacker/ pedophile/ drug trafficker/ convicted thief Christian Brückner – while UK papers report the nine-year Operation Grange probe run out of Scotland Yard is to get renewed Home Office funding “to keep it going until at least spring next year”.

Says the Mail: “A spokesman for the Home Office, which is on the verge of formally approving the Met Police’s fresh request for more money, said: ‘We do not foresee a problem and often grants, in special cases like this, are given retrospectively while work is still being undertaken.’

The missing child’s parents are described as ‘unlikely to be surprised’ if the case splashed over the world’s media last month by federal police in northern Germany is “dropped due to lack of evidence”. Although so much was trailed in the way of ‘we know this, and we know that’, the reality appears to be that none of it can be proved (click here).

A friend of the McCanns cited by the Mail Online admits if the case is dropped, it “would be a huge embarrassment to the German authorities”.

But the family at least can cling to the knowledge that efforts are still being made by police forces (even if these forces don’t seem to see eye-to-eye) and the Grange probe – which has already cost upwards of €12 million – is to be extended.

Today (Thursday), lawyers for 43-year-old Brückner are challenging the terms of his 2018 extradition from Italy to Germany in the European Court of Justice in Luxembourg.

Explain reports, if successful, this means he could be released from jail immediately.

https://www.portugalresident.com/renewed-home-office-funding-for-maddie-search-as-germans-admit-inquiries-into-latest-suspect-may-be-dropped/

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Post by Mainline 16.07.20 16:19

So XY is tonight revealing 'bombshell' information on the unknown call.

Another poor sod in Germany going in the tabloid grinder then.
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Post by Silentscope 16.07.20 16:31

Brückner will not be poor after his Lawyers sue someone for false arrest...

Maybe he will even write a book in Jail?

No ‘Ace up the sleeve’ evidence is public yet.

The Spook / Criminal profiler has only stated the basics so far today.
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