Disposal of the body

Batman wrote:First post for me but I've followed this case with interest since May 2007.

I wanted to draw your attention to something I saw yesterday:

Barmaid Lenta Johlitz, 34, told German newspaper Bild: “Once he was completely freaked out when we were sitting talking  with friends about the Madeleine case.
“He wanted us to stop. He cried out, ‘The child is dead now and that’s a good thing’, then he said: ‘You can make a body disappear quickly. Pigs also eat human flesh’.”
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Back in 2008, a pig farmer was the focus of Sr Amaral's attention. He was also said to be a drug trafficker. It's a small place and every dealer needs a supplier. I'd say it's highly likely these two know each other.

From London Evening Standard 24-1-08:
[size=47]"Dreadlocked Marques, nicknamed Quim Ze, was also a known gun-runner and drug trafficker, the paper claimed."[/size]
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You will recall that Marquez was also quizzed for six hours in 2014. The police clearly had reason to believe he's involved.
There's been plenty of talk of pedophilia on this forum but not so much of drug use. It's another taboo (at least for doctors) that could tie every actor in this story together and bind them to secrecy.
It would explain Christain B hanging around the MW complex looking shady. It would explain phone calls from his contact there to place orders. Maybe it also explains the hasty departure of Edward whatwverhisnamewas on 4th May.
But most importantly, it puts someone in the picture who lived on the edge of society who would perhaps do anything for money, including using his network to dispose of a body. The arrangement may have been made direct or via a trusted third party who had links to the T7 and CB. A Mr Fixit type character....

Tony Bennett wrote:

Batman wrote:First post for me but I've followed this case with interest since May 2007.

I wanted to draw your attention to something I saw yesterday:

Barmaid Lenta Johlitz, 34, told German newspaper Bild: “Once he was completely freaked out when we were sitting talking  with friends about the Madeleine case.
“He wanted us to stop. He cried out, ‘The child is dead now and that’s a good thing’, then he said: ‘You can make a body disappear quickly. Pigs also eat human flesh’.”
Source:
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Back in 2008, a pig farmer was the focus of Sr Amaral's attention. He was also said to be a drug trafficker. It's a small place and every dealer needs a supplier. I'd say it's highly likely these two know each other.

From London Evening Standard 24-1-08:
[size=67]"Dreadlocked Marques, nicknamed Quim Ze, was also a known gun-runner and drug trafficker, the paper claimed."[/size]
[size=67][You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
You will recall that Marquez was also quizzed for six hours in 2014. The police clearly had reason to believe he's involved.
There's been plenty of talk of pedophilia on this forum but not so much of drug use. It's another taboo (at least for doctors) that could tie every actor in this story together and bind them to secrecy.
It would explain Christain B hanging around the MW complex looking shady. It would explain phone calls from his contact there to place orders. Maybe it also explains the hasty departure of Edward whatwverhisnamewas on 4th May.
But most importantly, it puts someone in the picture who lived on the edge of society who would perhaps do anything for money, including using his network to dispose of a body. The arrangement may have been made direct or via a trusted third party who had links to the T7 and CB. A Mr Fixit type character....

One of the many evidences that Madeleine McCann died in her parents' apartment were the several alerts by the two cadaver dogs in the car that the McCanns hired.

Later, in July and/or August 2007, a neighbour of the McCanns, who were then living in a villa in Praia da Luz, saw the boot of this hired car open, night after night - strongly suggestive of the McCanns needing to get rid of a very unpleasant smell in the car.

This was corroborated 100% by the McCanns' cousin, Michael Wright, who told the PJ about a deeply unpleasant odour found in the car. Details about this can be found in a long article I wrote about Wright, titled I think: "Michael Wright in Praia da Luz" (also on pamalam's excellent site [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] I am pretty sure my article is on the forum somewhere. 

Wright journeyed from England to Portugal FIVE TIMES between May & September 2007 and clearly he and the McCanns worked very closely together.

Be it noted also that Michael Wright was one of a team of three that trawled through all the photographs taken on the cameras of Kate McCann, the Paynes and any other members of the Tapas 7, deleting, editing and cropping them BEFORE they were delivered to the PJ on 8 & 9 May on two computer disks.

There has been much speculation on 'how Madeleine's body was disposed of' (if it was).

Goncalo Amaral has for a long time speculated that it was buried in the church.

Another favoured theory of some is that her remains were cremated at a local pet cemetery run by a rather dubious figure.

For myself, I have wondered about the strong Roman Catholic tradition of Kate McCann's family and how that might have a bearing on the disposal of her body (if Madeleine did die in G5A).

I think the McCanns might have elected to bury her somewhere.

Possibly on the journey to Huelva.

IIRC Michael Wright was the stated hirer of the McCanns' hired car.


All IMO and for the record I am not in this post saying definitively that Madeleine did die in G5A  

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PeterMac wrote:IIRC the Huelva visit is notable for an hour or so of unaccounted time. There are photos of the cafeteria in the Repsol petrol filling station on a roundabout just to the north of the town, where posters were put up, we can suppose by the Mccanns, who may then have taken the photos for release.
From that roundabout there is a road leading to the north which goes back to the E-W motorway from Spain to Portugal.
Another exit, to the west leads to the British Cemetery, where the mortal remains of Major William Martin "The man who never was" from Operation Mincemeat lie at peace.   It also leads to the crematoria. (tanatorium)
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PeterMac wrote:IIRC the Huelva visit is notable for an hour or so of unaccounted time. There are photos of the cafeteria in the Repsol petrol filling station on a roundabout just to the north of the town, where posters were put up, we can suppose by the Mccanns, who may then have taken the photos for release.
From that roundabout there is a road leading to the north which goes back to the E-W motorway from Spain to Portugal.
Another exit, to the west leads to the British Cemetery, where the mortal remains of Major William Martin "The man who never was" from Operation Mincemeat lie at peace.   It also leads to the crematoria. (tanatorium)
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Just a random thought

Batman wrote:Thanks Peter. Btw, I subscribe to your theory about what happened to MM. 

The missing time here is intriguing but for me it was always too obvious to be of much significance. A recce mission to look at options perhaps? They put a lot of km on the clock and maybe that's what they were doing.

It's very sad, but Christian B's words  suggests disposal involved dismemberment and pig feed. It's an awful thought but imo it's a possibility and one that the police could be following up on.

PeterMac wrote:

Batman wrote:Thanks Peter. Btw, I subscribe to your theory about what happened to MM. 

The missing time here is intriguing but for me it was always too obvious to be of much significance. A recce mission to look at options perhaps? They put a lot of km on the clock and maybe that's what they were doing.

It's very sad, but Christian B's words  suggests disposal involved dismemberment and pig feed. It's an awful thought but imo it's a possibility and one that the police could be following up on.

Christian Brückner was around in Portugal at the time of the Joana Cipriano murder trial, when it was reported that the uncle had eventually admitted feeding the girl's body to pigs.

Anyone who remembers the Muriel McKay and Hosein Brothers trial in England will also remember that was the means of disposal, once the kidnapping went wrong [For those who don't remember they mistook her for Murdochs then wife, Anna, hoping for a huge payout.
The case was significant in that it was one of the earliest cases of a trial and conviction in a murder without a body case in the UK]

So the method of disposal is well known and used as black humour and banter round the pig eating world.  That, of itself, doesn't take us much further.

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Batman wrote:First post for me but I've followed this case with interest since May 2007.

I wanted to draw your attention to something I saw yesterday:

Barmaid Lenta Johlitz, 34, told German newspaper Bild: “Once he was completely freaked out when we were sitting talking  with friends about the Madeleine case.
“He wanted us to stop. He cried out, ‘The child is dead now and that’s a good thing’, then he said: ‘You can make a body disappear quickly. Pigs also eat human flesh’.”
Source:
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Back in 2008, a pig farmer was the focus of Sr Amaral's attention. He was also said to be a drug trafficker. It's a small place and every dealer needs a supplier. I'd say it's highly likely these two know each other.

From London Evening Standard 24-1-08:
"Dreadlocked Marques, nicknamed Quim Ze, was also a known gun-runner and drug trafficker, the paper claimed."
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
You will recall that Marquez was also quizzed for six hours in 2014. The police clearly had reason to believe he's involved.
There's been plenty of talk of pedophilia on this forum but not so much of drug use. It's another taboo (at least for doctors) that could tie every actor in this story together and bind them to secrecy.
It would explain Christain B hanging around the MW complex looking shady. It would explain phone calls from his contact there to place orders. Maybe it also explains the hasty departure of Edward whatwverhisnamewas on 4th May.
But most importantly, it puts someone in the picture who lived on the edge of society who would perhaps do anything for money, including using his network to dispose of a body. The arrangement may have been made direct or via a trusted third party who had links to the T7 and CB. A Mr Fixit type character....

cookiemuncher wrote:There was also that big advertising van with Madeleine's posters all over it.  It had big bill boards either side.  It was in PdL on the beach for about 2 days then disappeared probably back to the UK, never to be seen or heard of again.  What a better way of disposing of a body back to the UK, or stopping en route to do a bit of digging in the countryside, hidden in view from the road by the van.  I doubt it was checked when it went through customs either on the EU side or on the UK side as it was the McCanns "don't cha know"!!

If I remember rightly, although I may be getting my facts muddled, wasn't one of the men who drove the van found dead some months later.

Also, the McCanns have met the men responsible for the 800sq-ft inflatable poster which will be taken around the Algarve and set up in prominent places.
It was the brainchild of advertising workers Chris Lennox and Les Harley from Glasgow – the home town of Madeleine’s father Gerry – who drove 2,200 miles from Scotland to help.
Mr Lennox, 35, from Prestwick said: “My heartstrings have been pulled on this and I want to help.
“I have a family with small kids and my wife has been following this from day one.”

Yesterday the McCann family visited a 75 sq metre (800 sq ft) inflatable poster of Madeleine that will be taken around the Algarve in an attempt to publicise her plight further. The poster, which highlights a £1.5m reward being offered through the News of the World, was paid for by Chris Lennox and Les Harley, two advertising professionals from Glasgow, who drove it 2,200 miles from Scotland to Praia da Luz.In a statement read out near the poster, the McCanns said they were amazed by the support they has received. “We have thanked everyone on several occasions but, you know, some people are just going to absolutely extraordinary lengths to help us,” the statement said.

McCann Spin

Posters Plus Media

Silentscope wrote:

cookiemuncher wrote:There was also that big advertising van with Madeleine's posters all over it.  It had big bill boards either side.  It was in PdL on the beach for about 2 days then disappeared probably back to the UK, never to be seen or heard of again.  What a better way of disposing of a body back to the UK, or stopping en route to do a bit of digging in the countryside, hidden in view from the road by the van.  I doubt it was checked when it went through customs either on the EU side or on the UK side as it was the McCanns "don't cha know"!!

If I remember rightly, although I may be getting my facts muddled, wasn't one of the men who drove the van found dead some months later.

Gerry McCann wrote in his blog on day 25;
“Some of you may have seen on the news the huge inflatable billboard which has travelled all the way from the West of Scotland to Portugal which will be used near busy roads/motorways to keep Madeleine’s disappearance high profile. We had a brief chat with Chris and Les, who drove almost non-stop from Glasgow to get here. The extraordinary length ordinary people are going to help us is truly overwhelming. We thank everyone for their efforts, no matter how small, and we know this will make a difference in our search for Madeleine.”
Sky News on May 28, 2007 wrote;

Also, the McCanns have met the men responsible for the 800sq-ft inflatable poster which will be taken around the Algarve and set up in prominent places.
It was the brainchild of advertising workers Chris Lennox and Les Harley from Glasgow – the home town of Madeleine’s father Gerry – who drove 2,200 miles from Scotland to help.
Mr Lennox, 35, from Prestwick said: “My heartstrings have been pulled on this and I want to help.
“I have a family with small kids and my wife has been following this from day one.”

The Guardian went further and said that Mr Lennox and Mr Harley paid for the venture;

Yesterday the McCann family visited a 75 sq metre (800 sq ft) inflatable poster of Madeleine that will be taken around the Algarve in an attempt to publicise her plight further. The poster, which highlights a £1.5m reward being offered through the News of the World, was paid for by Chris Lennox and Les Harley, two advertising professionals from Glasgow, who drove it 2,200 miles from Scotland to Praia da Luz.In a statement read out near the poster, the McCanns said they were amazed by the support they has received. “We have thanked everyone on several occasions but, you know, some people are just going to absolutely extraordinary lengths to help us,” the statement said.

McCann Spin

The story sounds like Chris and Les drove all the way to Portugal through their own efforts to help the McCanns. It really does sound like they went to extraordinary lengths to help.
But what really happened?
We can reveal on TRUTH For Madeleine that Chris and Les were simply doing their job. The inflatable billboard was not the brainchild of Mr Lennox or Mr Harley and the pair of them didn’t pay for it either.
So how did it come about?
No surprises for guessing but it was engineered by John McCann – Gerry’s brother.
Mr Amaral has already exposed the McCanns for manipulating the politicians and media and here again is a prime example of a story that was presented to the world in a completely different way to the reality of the situation.

Posters Plus Media

Gavin Hollywood, Managing Director of Posters Plus Media informed us of the details of the venture;
“I supported the McCanns with some digital advertising in the UK and was approached by Gerry’s brother John about the possiblity of helping with a high profile campaign at the height of the situation where time & awareness was essential. Within 5 days we had arranged the trip, logistics, printing and arranged staff to travel to Portugal (Chris & Les) with Carol-Anne Thomson our Campaigns Manager co-ordinating the campaign from our office and communicating with various authorities.

This will make your Cookies crumble! Mine did! 

Batman wrote:First post for me but I've followed this case with interest since May 2007.

I wanted to draw your attention to something I saw yesterday:

Barmaid Lenta Johlitz, 34, told German newspaper Bild: “Once he was completely freaked out when we were sitting talking  with friends about the Madeleine case.
“He wanted us to stop. He cried out, ‘The child is dead now and that’s a good thing’, then he said: ‘You can make a body disappear quickly. Pigs also eat human flesh’.”
Source:
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

Back in 2008, a pig farmer was the focus of Sr Amaral's attention. He was also said to be a drug trafficker. It's a small place and every dealer needs a supplier. I'd say it's highly likely these two know each other.

From London Evening Standard 24-1-08:
"Dreadlocked Marques, nicknamed Quim Ze, was also a known gun-runner and drug trafficker, the paper claimed."
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
You will recall that Marquez was also quizzed for six hours in 2014. The police clearly had reason to believe he's involved.
There's been plenty of talk of pedophilia on this forum but not so much of drug use. It's another taboo (at least for doctors) that could tie every actor in this story together and bind them to secrecy.
It would explain Christain B hanging around the MW complex looking shady. It would explain phone calls from his contact there to place orders. Maybe it also explains the hasty departure of Edward whatwverhisnamewas on 4th May.
But most importantly, it puts someone in the picture who lived on the edge of society who would perhaps do anything for money, including using his network to dispose of a body. The arrangement may have been made direct or via a trusted third party who had links to the T7 and CB. A Mr Fixit type character....